That ign thing was right. And I would look back to 11 if I hadn't let my friend borrow Watchmen.
That ign thing was right. And I would look back to 11 if I hadn't let my friend borrow Watchmen.
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I'll quote it later, no worries.Originally Posted by Seymour_Glass
and that IGN thing is only ONE of my issues with the ending.
A funny twist from a reviewer on the overuse of the word "visionary" to describe director Zack Snyder:
Alan Moore, who has refused to have his name on the movie (ditto its Moore-based predecessors, "V for Vendetta" and "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen") and who has declined all reimbursement to protest the entertainment industry's fundamental lack of respect for intellectual property, counts as a bona fide visionary.
What are your other issues with the ending?
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I've got a whole list, i'll post it when others have seen the movie, so we don't have to discuss everything in spoiler tags.
But I wanna know now, dammit!
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I'll also reserve any spoiler-esque comments until more have seen it. However, let me say that Rorschach's character was one of the most captivating screen personalities I have seen iin a long while. A story based just around him would have been a better one, in my opinion. Maybe I am at a loss here to the rest of you guys, but I have not read any of the literature associated. No graphic novels, ect. The movie and trailers are the first I had heard of it. So I bought some advance tickets and went to see it last night. Theater not packed, but fairly full. By the time we left (2 hours into it) fully 1/4 of the people had walked out. Some with smaller children, not knowing what they were taking them to see, left when the "intimate" scenes came up. Some walked out at the first sight of the blue penis. I liked a lot of it. Shook my head in disgust at a lot of it as well. I would like to see the ending, but to keep the date on course I knew when it was time to pack up camp and head out. Neither of us were into it. Matter of fact, another guy on our heels stopped us outside the door and asked "Did you guys think that was as bad as I did? Man, I'm let down! I've been a fan for a long time and couldn't wait, but this is an abortion compared to what it could have been."
I tended to agree. With all of the hype I expected something that would make it onto my "must purchase" list of movies when it came out for sale. What I got instead was a mediocre waste of twenty bucks. The acting was superb. The characters were well done, for the most part, and the portrayals were great. I give the acting content a 9.8. But the screenplay/script/story's contiuity was what killed it for me. I kept waiting for the movie to "start". I kept waiting for it to flow better and make a little more sense. I got the gist of it. I understood that it was dark and showed the "behind" lives and personas of superheroes. It gave backstory and all. I get that. I can appreciate a dark movie, and one off the mainstream view. I.E.-The Dark Knight. But this as just...bad. I felt the same way I did when I went to see Cloverfield. I left with a distaste and a feeling of "WTF!?"
I'm sorry to offend the ones who will have tattoos commemorating the movie and name their offspring in respect to the characters they liked so well. I hope that no one blasts me too badly here that actually loved it, but I was just dissapointed in what I got versus what I expected is all. I knew from the get-go that it wasn't X-Men or Fantastic 4. I thought it was gonna be greater. I may (may being a strong approximation of my interest) rent it when it comes out just to try again and see how it ends. Maybe then my view will change, but for now this is the most honest OPINION I can give about it. Sorry to offend anyone if anyone takes it that way...
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No offense taken at all, and totally understand your complaints about the story being VERY hard to follow and get invested in if you hadn't already read the book. Part of that was the changes to the story, but most of it was this:
Alan Moore is a crotchety, pissy old bastard. Adaptations of his works are typically, in the oft-used critical parlance of our times, teh suck. His magnum opus is “Watchmen,” a deconstruction of the superhero, a 12 issue miniseries so dense it could be classified as an element on the periodic table, its entry represented by a shifting inkblot. Alan Moore has said it is an unfilmable property. Alan Moore says a lot of things, so it’s easy to dismiss his goofy, hairy ass. Dude wears those gaudy Saturday market rings where a purple rock forms the torso of a pewter scorpion. Genius or no, you can’t take a guy rocking one of those things that seriously.
Unfortunately, Moore was right this time. Watchmen is unfilmable. Or more to the point, the things that make Watchmen work haven’t been captured on film. Zack Snyder tried. The effort expended, the sweat, the passion for the book, it’s up there. It’s visible. This is a beautifully constructed work of art, much like Jon Osterman’s Glass Ship on Mars. It cracks easily and doesn’t hold together too well.
Just got back from seeing it.
I loved it, my wife hated it.
I went in thinking it would be a giant turd, but wanted to check it out anyway, just to see if I could glean some good. I think this movie is like they say, you will either love it or hate it, and thankfully I wound up being one of the personality types that really dug it.
Sound was awesome. Acting was good. Which I thought it wouldn't be from watching some of the clips on the net.
Loved the fight scenes.
Music wasn't my style of music, but I liked all the songs anyway.
I closed my eyes in the grinder jail cell arm scene, but other than that, the gore wasn't that bad.
The new ending pissed me off reading about it, but watching it in the movie, I was cool with it.
I felt connected with the characters, even Veidt, who I thought was too young. But the actor did fine, pulled me around.
With so many people, including my wife, not liking this flick, I was surprised I loved it so much, I normally am picky with movies.
I only had one complaint moment during this film, and it was the JFK scene. They could have done it without showing the brutal detail of the head shot, and Jackie crawling through the car. Seeing the detail was too real.
Other than that, I thought it was pretty slick.
I basically think, if you hadn't read it, you wouldn't get it. Which makes it absolutely useless as a movie meant for mass-marketing.
Honestly, any movie that can't be understood without first reading the book is a total letdown for me.
I gave it a solid 8. The casting for Nite Owl I and II, Rorshach, Silk Spectre I, Comedian and Dr. Manhattan were very good. Veidt was a disappointment. Also, there was NO REASON for Bubastis to be there. At all. They just wanted to make something cool with their CG toys. The ending worked better, film-wise, but doesn't hold up for the reasons above.
Also, am I the only one who thinks Alan Moore is less of a genius and more of a petulant child? Okay, he does good work, but he's still a pain in the ass who can't groom himself. I don't believe "geniuses" should be held to less standards than the rest of us.
I thought it was really excellent and was entertained throughout. I could nitpick it away all day long if I wanted, but I choose not to because it really was a great film and there is no sense in being critical just for the hell of it. Like someone said before me, you either love or hate this one. The only disappointing part of the entire film for me was that Rorshach's back-story felt a bit too rushed.
Oh, and I totally predicted the new angle they would take for the end like two or three months ago. I win! One to nothing!
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I think he's a genius who KNOWS he's a genius, which is where the petulant child part comes in.
OK someone asked for a book quote. Book and movie spoilers here, so I'll put it in tags.
From Issue 11, pages 24, 25, and 26:
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Hope that helps.
He is very good But I think Brian Michael Bendis is the best comic writer aroundI think he's a genius who KNOWS he's a genius, which is where the petulant child part comes in.
if the worlds gonna end then let's get it over with, i got shit to do
I do like most of Bendis' stuff, I just don't think he's written that timeless work yet, while Moore has several.
My first impression on changing the ending:Spoiler:
My biggest complaint is of Veidt. His presence in the film did not seem to match the comic book. I mean in terms of screen time. It's like they replaced his screen time with that horrible Nixon impersonator. Nixon was more of a footnote in the graphic novel.
Best adapted character: The Comedian. Awesome!
Worst Adapted character: Bubastis. (I'm sure it confused the hell out of those unfamiliar with the graphic novel)
What I missed the most from the adaptation:
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If he was a genius he would have the sense to...
A: avoid having his "Unfilmable" work optioned at all.
B: Shave the squirrel off of his chin.
It's been said by those smarter than me: There is a line between genius and insanity. I think Mr. Moore falls on the side of insanity. His stories while wildly entertaining and beautifully imaginative are less the product a creative genius and more (Moore) that of a paranoid schizophrenic. He is as nutty as the squirrel living on his chin.
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He tried. In his words, DC comics "successfully swindled" him. I'll find a quote.
Here it is:
Despite the acclaim, though, Moore's relationship with DC Comics was gradually deteriorating over issues like creators' rights and merchandising. Breaking point was reached in 1989 when he objected to a contract clause that stated the rights of his books would revert to him when the titles went out of print, a clause that was meaningless as DC never intended to stop reprinting the books. Moore's reaction was decisive. "I said, 'Fair enough, you have managed to successfully swindle me, and so I will never work for you again.'" In a radical move, he tried to get his name legally removed from some of his most famous works, but failed in the attempt.
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I completely agree about Bubastis.
And, because of flagg and Spencer's opinions, I have to cordially tell them to stuff it and bow down the Grant Morrson.Spoiler:Big town's got its losers, small town's got its vices...
Well, I'd agree about Morrison, except for that whole Final Crisis debacle.
My biggest complaints with the movie were :
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I really enjoyed Final Crisis and his Batman. Although Batman was kind of hard to get.Well, I'd agree about Morrison, except for that whole Final Crisis debacle.
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