I think so, yes. I loved Shawshank; I don't think it's a great movie, but it's a very good, sound movie. I also think that TGM is a good, sound film as well (if we overlook the stardust coming from the mouth), but that's how it usually it is with good (as opposed to great) films: if you don't like the characters and the story, you can't like the movie.
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True, but even when I don't like a movie, I can like the acting. Comes from having been an actor, I suppose.
(And I apologize for falling completely off-topic.)
Path, glad to hear you don't absolutely hate Cell. We'll see if I still feel that way after the last three quarters are read. I can't help but this it will be, at least partially, though. The voice is what reminds me of it the most. But there's also graphic gross-out scenes of violence; an artist (this one being one of many writers) through which King can speak of his craft and creativity; adolescence dealing with death; and the pacing (and even page layout) of the works.
Bears: Your Rage, On Writing, and Hearts In Atlantis are my Wolves and Insomnia. Rage really surprised me, based on your love for Roadwork. I love the 'Stories of my life' heading; when I read Joyland, that's exactly what I was thinking, (in a sane way) that it was written for me.
Stebbins, Maybe my choice of words was unfortunate. I have always felt that King writing as Bachman was more an attempt at the gritty, crime writer format. So I suppose I falsely associated them. I do applaud, King's ability to take on another writing persona, and I did enjoy "Joyland" immensely. If my post came off as criticism, I apologize that was not my intent. BTW no offense is taken (or was given) this is more as a clarification of sorts.
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Yes, bears too. Though I loved only the second half, while the first bored me almost to the point of dropping the book.Originally Posted by Stebbins
I fail to see any similarity whatsoever between Rage and Roadwork. From any point of view. The former is puerile, very poorly written and entirely meaningless; the latter is exactly the opposite. I always felt as if Roadwork was written by some third hypostasis of Sai King, different from both King per se and his Bachman identity.Bears: Your Rage, On Writing, and Hearts In Atlantis are my Wolves and Insomnia. Rage really surprised me, based on your love for Roadwork.
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When one is in agreement with bears one is always correct. (mae)
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Funny, I absolutely loved the beginning of that book. It's probably one of my favorite openings to a King story.Yes, bears too. Though I loved only the second half, while the first bored me almost to the point of dropping the book.
Only the gentle are ever really strong.
Bill, we're all aces, friend.
Bears, I definitely disagree. Rage is without a doubt "low-class," but it is not meaningless or unrelated to Roadwork (and other Bachmans). It's about growing up in American, and not being lucky enough to make it through with all your marbles. Isn't Roadwork's anti-hero also insane? I could argue that Rage is a more cogent story, but to what end? We won't change our views and the only thing it could do would be to heat tempers. I just think you gave it a bad shake, or didn't read it in a juvenile frame of mind.
Cell gripped me from the start, it certainly builds as the story progresses though.
Next time I re-read it, I'll keep it in mind! What is good for heathers is good for bears!
No. Arguing is a great thing, for all parties involved. It's great to see someone present their argumentation. It's great to learn to discuss things civilly. It's totally great to keep an open mind and try to see the opponent's point of view. If we have a Rage thread, I would like you to post there.
Ask not what bears can do for you, but what you can do for bears. (razz)
When one is in agreement with bears one is always correct. (mae)
bears are back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What? no flaming?Next time I re-read it, I'll keep it in mind! What is good for heathers is good for bears!
No. Arguing is a great thing, for all parties involved. It's great to see someone present their argumentation. It's great to learn to discuss things civilly. It's totally great to keep an open mind and try to see the opponent's point of view. If we have a Rage thread, I would like you to post there.That's boring!!!
Spoiler:
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I gotta agree with you here. I loved how visceral the opening bloodbath was. Hard to forget, as was the insanely vicious killing of a major character...Funny, I absolutely loved the beginning of that book. It's probably one of my favorite openings to a King story.Yes, bears too. Though I loved only the second half, while the first bored me almost to the point of dropping the book.Spoiler:I was traumatized. King really kills me when he takes away characters I have become attached to.
Jean, like how you have put your list together. This format would have save me from the tedious nature of a full ranking, and much consternation from other users. Disappointed to see 11/22/63 so low on your list - I wonder if our nationalities play a role here because I love the book very much. Black House is much too high for my taste, as is Road Work. Duma Key does not surprise me, as it's one of those novels that really resonates.
Fair enough, Jean. You strike me as a man that I could debate with in a civilized manner, and I appreciate your input. Do we have a Rage thread? I just returned the Bachman Books to the library, but I'd like to pose my argument while it's still relatively fresh in my mind.
Dr.Zaius: Agree about Duma Key, I think it was the most graceful way King injected what it is to make art into a story, and the villain was shades of Pennywise, for me.
http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/...**Spoilers!***
it wasn't my idea, it was Heather's
I am sure it's the case. Only really good books (movies etc) don't depend on anything (well, other than the reader's experience and intelligence, but it somehow goes without saying) to be loved, while the ones that are not really great may be loved for a number of reasons, such as the reader's background, taste, religion, love for a particular genre, etc.Disappointed to see 11/22/63 so low on your list - I wonder if our nationalities play a role here because I love the book very much.
Two of my favorite books ever (and the ones I nominated first thing in the Top 100) are as American as they come... one set in a small Alabama town, the other along the Mississippi river... long before I was born... As a third book, a huge Sai King novel comes to mind, where American society was first destroyed and then recreated as best as it could... In none of these, or other (innumerable) cases did my total unrelatedness to the context prevent me from loving the books with all my ursine heart.
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When one is in agreement with bears one is always correct. (mae)
bears are back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would heartily embrace that sentiment!!! I may not always agree with, Jean, but I always respect his respect for other's opinions and have learned much from him. He rarely (If, ever) makes others feel belittled or scorned. He is always respectful. I wish I could claim as much.
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: blushing bear :
Ask not what bears can do for you, but what you can do for bears. (razz)
When one is in agreement with bears one is always correct. (mae)
bears are back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You know its true!!! LOL LOL LOL
28 in 23 (?)!!!!
63 in '23!!!!!!!!!!
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The Houston Astros cheated Major League Baseball from 2017-18!!!! Is that how we teach our kids to play the game now?????
Glad to have both you guys on this forum!
Bears: Is the thread locked? I could not post on it.
which one?
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When one is in agreement with bears one is always correct. (mae)
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The RAGE one; there was no reply box.
Yeah, that's weird. Looks like a few of the threads linked from List-of-official-discussion-threads-for-SK-books have been moved out of Cara Laughs into the 2009-Constant-Reader-Awards archive.
weird. I most definitely did not move them. I've moved Rage where it belongs (Cara Laughs).
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When one is in agreement with bears one is always correct. (mae)
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Updating for Doctor Sleep
- It
- The Shining
- Hearts in Atlantis
- Insomnia
- Black House
- Eyes of the Dragon
- The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon
- The Dark Tower: Wolves of the Calla
- The Dark Tower: The Drawing of the Three
- The Dark Tower: The Waste Lands
- Under the Dome
- Duma Key
- 11/22/63
- 'Salem's Lot
- Desperation
- The Talisman
- Doctor Sleep
- The Stand
- Everything's Eventual
- Joyland
- Night Shift
- Nightmares and Dreamscapes
- On Writing
- Skeleton Crew
- The Long Walk
- The Dead Zone
- Blaze
- Rage
- The Dark Tower: The Wind through the Keyhole
- The Green Mile
- Firestarter
- Christine
- The Dark Half
- Bag of Bones
- Roadwork
- Different Seasons
- Dreamcatcher
- The Regulators
- The Dark Tower: Wizard and Glass
- The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger
- From a Buick 8
- Four Past Midnight
- Cujo
- Carrie
- Danse Macabre
- The Plant
- Pet Sematary
- Misery
- Full Dark No Stars
- Rose Madder
- The Dark Tower: The Dark Tower
- The Dark Tower: Song of Susannah
- Just After Sunset
- Needful Things
- Cell
- The Running Man
- Lisey's Story
- Storm of the Century
- Cycle of the Werewolf
- Rose Red
- The Tommyknockers
- Thinner
- Dolores Clairborne
- Gerald's Game
- The Colorado Kid
- Blockade Billy
- Faithful
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Really? You rate it behind "The Talisman"? Interesting. I would have slid it into EOTD's slot, personally. Then maybe I am still hyped from having just read it.
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It's been a while since I read it but some of my favorite SK moments (like Wolf) come from the Talisman.
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Hey, not fair enough. I like them both as well, though Black House is a all time favorite. I suppose I have just fallen to "Dr. Sleep/The Shining" IMO a very good follow-up.
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