LOST--watch out for **SPOILERS**

**Mattrick** · 06-19-2009 10:41 PM

I'll explain this as easily as I possibly can with the information that has been provided.

As I've said before (if you go back far enough you'll find my Desmond Theory) that Desmond THE key to the entire lost puzzle. Hawking was determined to make sure Desmond made it to the island and fulfilled his destiny to push the button and then fail to push it and eventually turn the failsafe key, thus starting the events of Season 3, 4 and 5 which is the event of Widmore's Freighter coming to the island, as seen in Episode 3.08, Flashes Before Your Eyes.

Faraday referred to Desmond as 'special' and by what he means by that, we can't be absolutely certain (5.01, Because You Left). But it's obvious Desmond has a special relationship to time. Brother Campbell (who has a picture of Mrs. Hawking with him on his desk) made Desmond's last act at his monestary to help Penelope to load her wine, leading them together and Hawking to eventually break them up (3.17 Catch-22).

Desmond made it to the island trying to win Penny back from Widmore in a sailing race. There he will live for three years with a man named Kelvin Inman. There he discovers Inman has not only been lying to him about the outside being contaminated but has been fixing his sailboat up to leave. He accidentally kills Inman and cannot push the button on time. This surge of the electromagnetism crashes Oceanic 815 (2.23, Live Together, Die Alone).

Now that you have Desmond's importance in fresh memory, I'll answer your questions.

Originally Posted by Merlin1958

You know it may just be me but, doesn't the fact that nothing significant seemed to happen when the Hatch imploded seem strange? I mean Desmond was late in pushing the button and as a result 815 crashed. The hatch is totally unleashed when they don't push it and 3 guys end up dis-oriented? Seems a little anti-climatic to me.

There has to be more significance in the hatch implosion than we have seen I would think. Especially considering the "incident" in the whole thing. The loop, whatever it turns out to ultimately be, is definitely centered around events at the hatch.

Any thoughts?

Something significant DID happen. For one, that was Desmonds single handed moment of destiny. Because of that, it allowed the outside world to find the island. This is how both Penny and Charles Widmore found it. Of course, Widmore sent the boat to the island to get Ben Linus. Desmond found Naomi and used her to make contact with the boat (Catch-22). He is the reason they contacted the boat as well.

Now, Benjamin Linus moved the island because of Charles Widmore. The boat also got the Oceanic 6 off the island. This boat also brought Charlotte, Frank, Miles and Faraday to the island. Moving the island caused the people on it to flash through time. These flashes caused:

- Almost the rest of the survivors to die.
- Ethan Rom to be born
- Benjamin Linus to become who he is
- Bury a Hydrogen Bomb
- The Incident

We know that Mrs. Hawking is Faraday's mother and she killed him. This means that she remembered killing him. That means Faraday, Jack and Kate went there to get the bomb in Hawking's past. At the end of 5.02 (The Lie) when Ben said 'What if I can't get them all to come back' Mrs. Hawking said 'Then God help us all.'

Why did she say this? Because they caused the incident. They also prevented the electromagnetic energy to be unleased. They pushed the button so the world wouldn't end...so maybe she made sure the events in the future would happen so the past would happen and the world would be saved.

Now, the reason the hatch imploded was because of the failsafe key desmond turned. From what I can tell, Jughead managed to nearly negate the energy, but I don't think it was as close as Faraday needed it to be to work right. He wanted to destroy the energy entirely. I think that Dharma scientists understood what was being done and implemented a safety device that worked like a nuclear explosion so that if the anomaly became overwhemling, they could destroy it. But they wanted to study it. This is why there was a massive crater there. The reason for them being generally alright is a mystery but come on...it's Lost...all you need to say is 'The Island saved them.'

So as you can see, the hatch imploding is actually the KEY moment in all of Lost. If you want anyone more explaination onto Desmond himself and his time travelling and how it relates to things, let me know.

**Merlin1958** · 06-20-2009 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by Mattrick

I'll explain this as easily as I possibly can with the information that has been provided.

As I've said before (if you go back far enough you'll find my Desmond Theory) that Desmond THE key to the entire lost puzzle. Hawking was determined to make sure Desmond made it to the island and fulfilled his destiny to push the button and then fail to push it and eventually turn the failsafe key, thus starting the events of Season 3, 4 and 5 which is the event of Widmore's Freighter coming to the island, as seen in Episode 3.08, Flashes Before Your Eyes.

Faraday referred to Desmond as 'special' and by what he means by that, we can't be absolutely certain (5.01, Because You Left). But it's obvious Desmond has a special relationship to time. Brother Campbell (who has a picture of Mrs. Hawking with him on his desk) made Desmond's last act at his monestary to help Penelope to load her wine, leading them together and Hawking to eventually break them up (3.17 Catch-22).

Desmond made it to the island trying to win Penny back from Widmore in a sailing race. There he will live for three years with a man named Kelvin Inman. There he discovers Inman has not only been lying to him about the outside being contaminated but has been fixing his sailboat up to leave. He accidentally kills Inman and cannot push the button on time. This surge of the electromagnetism crashes Oceanic 815 (2.23, Live Together, Die Alone).

Now that you have Desmond's importance in fresh memory, I'll answer your questions.

Originally Posted by Merlin1958

You know it may just be me but, doesn't the fact that nothing significant seemed to happen when the Hatch imploded seem strange? I mean Desmond was late in pushing the button and as a result 815 crashed. The hatch is totally unleashed when they don't push it and 3 guys end up dis-oriented? Seems a little anti-climatic to me.

There has to be more significance in the hatch implosion than we have seen I would think. Especially considering the "incident" in the whole thing. The loop, whatever it turns out to ultimately be, is definitely centered around events at the hatch.

Any thoughts?

Something significant DID happen. For one, that was Desmonds single handed moment of destiny. Because of that, it allowed the outside world to find the island. This is how both Penny and Charles Widmore found it. Of course, Widmore sent the boat to the island to get Ben Linus. Desmond found Naomi and used her to make contact with the boat (Catch-22). He is the reason they contacted the boat as well.

Now, Benjamin Linus moved the island because of Charles Widmore. The boat also got the Oceanic 6 off the island. This boat also brought Charlotte, Frank, Miles and Faraday to the island. Moving the island caused the people on it to flash through time. These flashes caused:

- Almost the rest of the survivors to die.
- Ethan Rom to be born
- Benjamin Linus to become who he is
- Bury a Hydrogen Bomb
- The Incident

We know that Mrs. Hawking is Faraday's mother and she killed him. This means that she remembered killing him. That means Faraday, Jack and Kate went there to get the bomb in Hawking's past. At the end of 5.02 (The Lie) when Ben said 'What if I can't get them all to come back' Mrs. Hawking said 'Then God help us all.'

Why did she say this? Because they caused the incident. They also prevented the electromagnetic energy to be unleased. They pushed the button so the world wouldn't end...so maybe she made sure the events in the future would happen so the past would happen and the world would be saved.

Now, the reason the hatch imploded was because of the failsafe key desmond turned. From what I can tell, Jughead managed to nearly negate the energy, but I don't think it was as close as Faraday needed it to be to work right. He wanted to destroy the energy entirely. I think that Dharma scientists understood what was being done and implemented a safety device that worked like a nuclear explosion so that if the anomaly became overwhemling, they could destroy it. But they wanted to study it. This is why there was a massive crater there. The reason for them being generally alright is a mystery but come on...it's Lost...all you need to say is 'The Island saved them.'

So as you can see, the hatch imploding is actually the KEY moment in all of Lost. If you want anyone more explaination onto Desmond himself and his time travelling and how it relates to things, let me know.

You make some valid points however maybe I wasn't clear enough in my description. The fact that Penny was able to locate the island because of the implosion is a consequence of the implosion not a phenomena of the Electro-magnetic energy even though that was what was recorded. I guess what I meant was that the EM energy has resulted in time travel of the island the "Incident" and the crash of 815, pretty cataclysmic events. Something so cataclysmic as the hatch implosion (which must be similar to the unrevealed enets of the Incident) seem to have had no great direct effect. Just seems that in the world of Lost a blip on a map in the Artic is fairly minor when compared to other instances even though it starts a chain of events.

Ben moving the island was a mistake. Yes he did it in his mind to hide the island from Widmore but, Locke was the one who was supposed to do it. We can reasonably assume that had Locke moved the island none of the later events would have occurred (probably much to the MIB's chagrin lol)

Anyway we shall see I suppose. On a side note: I don't think that despite the finale we will ultimately find that Jughead was actually detonated. We were just made to think so. Juliet should be dead (the fall eventually killed her) but, the nuke never went off. It would be too much of a plot stretch to deal with. If Jughead went off then Hawking (and as a result faraday), Widmore, Alpert and Ben would all have to die. I mean even if they all hid in the Temple and survived the blast they could never come out again as the entire island would be contaminated for the next 30+ years at least. Not to mention the deforestation resulting from a nuclear explosion. Plus if all the aforementioned are wiped out then events will have changed that do not allow the survivors to ever get to the point where they go back in time to detonate the damn thing. The island negating the force of the nuke would seem to be a pretty big pill to swallow even for Lost. Especially given how they have always at least given the laws of physics respect on the show.
No, I think when it comes to it we will find that the Nuke didn't detonate and the incudent involved the EM force as probably it always did. The Survivors will flash forward to Jacob's killing time frame but maybe on Hydra island for some and Dharma-ville for others.

Just my three beans. Oh and by the way, you heard it here first folks Aaron is somehow the re-incarnation/rebirth of Jacob!!! All pre-woven into the fabric of the story line.

**candy** · 06-20-2009 09:02 AM

hmmmmm, i dont know if i agree about the nuke not going off. all your arguements are valid however

the whole known aspect of the magnetic pull down in that hole, if the nuke did go off, then - i think - that whole of the charge, explosion and the radiation etc would be sucked into the inigma to create the worm hole that would send our chums forward in time to connect with sun etc.

but what i cant get my head around is how they are going to stretch all of this out for a full series, so i think there will be 'intermission' where they get sucked into different time zones and places (eg kate would get to see young kate torch her step dad again) like learning the lessons on the past kinda thing.

ps; i think juliettes dead in the hole, but she may have an important part to play still?

**Mattrick** · 06-20-2009 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Merlin1958

You make some valid points however maybe I wasn't clear enough in my description. The fact that Penny was able to locate the island because of the implosion is a consequence of the implosion not a phenomena of the Electro-magnetic energy even though that was what was recorded. I guess what I meant was that the EM energy has resulted in time travel of the island the "Incident" and the crash of 815, pretty cataclysmic events. Something so cataclysmic as the hatch implosion (which must be similar to the unrevealed enets of the Incident) seem to have had no great direct effect. Just seems that in the world of Lost a blip on a map in the Artic is fairly minor when compared to other instances even though it starts a chain of events.

Penny found the island due to a spike in electromagnetism. She had people posted in Antarctica. They thought they found it before but it was a false alarm (this was when he crashed 815). Their computer said 'Electromagnetic Anomaly Detected', not implosion detected

The fact it started the chain of events is what makes it so major. The entire show could not even exist if not for the Desmond turning that key.

Ben moving the island was a mistake. Yes he did it in his mind to hide the island from Widmore but, Locke was the one who was supposed to do it. We can reasonably assume that had Locke moved the island none of the later events would have occurred (probably much to the MIB's chagrin lol)

Locke was supposed to move it but he was never going to. Esau always was on the island using Locke's form in 2007. This is proven by the fact he gave Richard the compass. So you can assume what you want if Locke had of moved the island but he was never going to. Ben moving the island NEEDED to happen so the past could exist.

Anyway we shall see I suppose. On a side note: I don't think that despite the finale we will ultimately find that Jughead was actually detonated. We were just made to think so. Juliet should be dead (the fall eventually killed her) but, the nuke never went off. It would be too much of a plot stretch to deal with. If Jughead went off then Hawking (and as a result faraday), Widmore, Alpert and Ben would all have to die. I mean even if they all hid in the Temple and survived the blast they could never come out again as the entire island would be contaminated for the next 30+ years at least. Not to mention the deforestation resulting from a nuclear explosion.

The nuke went off. Now, the radiation would be greatly reduced as it was simply the explosive core of the bomb. Most of the outbound radiation comes from what surrounds the core. It was also, I'm going to guess anywhere from 50-100 feet underground. The blast would be centralized and if anything, create a bigger area for that pocket of energy to exist in.

There are two major clues present in 'The Incident' to back this up.

1 - When Miles says 'What if what you're about to is what always happened. And the best thing to do would be nothing? Glad you all thought this through.'

and

2 - When Sun asked Ben about the statue and what it was. Ben said 'It was like that when I got here.' and Sun said she didn't believe him.

Those two parts tell me the nuke went off, causing the incident, as it always had and the force of the reaction between the nukes energy and the electromagnetism destroyed the statue.

Plus if all the aforementioned are wiped out then events will have changed that do not allow the survivors to ever get to the point where they go back in time to detonate the damn thing. The island negating the force of the nuke would seem to be a pretty big pill to swallow even for Lost. Especially given how they have always at least given the laws of physics respect on the show.

But don't forget the island has powers. After all, it kept Michael alive and stopped him from being shot several times. It's not at all hard to believe that it could potentially negate the energy of the bomb. I think Jughead played a vital role in The Incident and was the one thing that kept it from become a catastrophe.

No, I think when it comes to it we will find that the Nuke didn't detonate and the incudent involved the EM force as probably it always did. The Survivors will flash forward to Jacob's killing time frame but maybe on Hydra island for some and Dharma-ville for others.

There are some people who think that they will flash forward. It makes sense but at the same time I do not think the tale in '77 is finished.

Just my three beans. Oh and by the way, you heard it here first folks Aaron is somehow the re-incarnation/rebirth of Jacob!!! All pre-woven into the fabric of the story line.

So Jacob was reborn nearly 4 years before he died?

**sarajean** · 06-20-2009 12:39 PM

i don't agree with the mysterious man in black being called esau.

**Mattrick** · 06-20-2009 01:17 PM

I prefer Esau to the alternatives. MIB makes me think of Will Smith. Man In Black makes me think of Walter. Flocke, well that's just gay.

Plus Esau so so ominous.

**flaggwalkstheline** · 06-20-2009 01:27 PM

What about
Anti-locke?
as in anti locke breaks the system

**valtr0n** · 06-20-2009 05:16 PM