ThanksOriginally Posted by All_Hail_The_Crimson_King
I just wanted to say that I totally agree with every word. Very well put Lisa.
I liked your comment about motivation, Matt. I'd even go one further and say that in most cases it would appear that acts of heroism are more spur of the moment decisions, not at all premeditated.
i put 'no' because i think Roland is an anti-hero
I said it before and i'll say it again...Roland and Letti get a room
i mean...no...he's not a hero
So, earthlings..basically urm...end of the world...Here Come The Drums!
Why? May we get more information about it.
I can understand if someone says he is not a hero but an anti-hero... that's over me so I am listening to you, sai.
Roland would have understood.
i still believe an anti-hero is still a type of hero. he's certainly not a villain. he definitely meets all the criteria to fit into the archetypal "hero" role in literature/myth.
Jean, I totally agree with you. In my personal opinion, Roland is very mych a hero along with Jake, Susannah and Eddie. I love them all.
Was Roland fully a member of the ka-tet? *spoilers*
" 'It's true. You share your thoughts so naturally that you haven't been aware it's happening, but it has been. It's easier for me to see, no doubt, because i am not a full member of this ka-tet- possibly because i am not from your world- and so cannot take part completely in the thought-sharing ability' "- Roland
"Roland understood that he was not a full member of this ka-tet"
These two quotes, both from "The Waste Lands", made me think, how can Roland be Dinh if he's not a full member?
Last edited by Darkthoughts; 12-28-2008 at 10:29 AM.
2:45 am- 11th February 2008- I Finished The Dark Tower
thank you Mark, it is certainly something to think about. For example, is the dihn ever a full member of his ka-tet, or does the same that makes him dihn also set him apart forever?
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I'd have thought he should be part of his tet, Jean, because its like the idea of "Can a German be the king of Britain?", and i'd have said no, unless he conquered of course, and that's what the Dinh is isn't he? The leader of the tet.
2:45 am- 11th February 2008- I Finished The Dark Tower
I don't see how Roland could be anything but part of the ka-tet and well as being the dinah. They are all a family.
Roland is part of his own ka-tet but not the same way as the others. Roland is the engine the others are the wheels... it might be a bad example.
Roland would have understood.
I have always thought of it as more like a small puzzle, with each member a individual piece and the Ka-tet as the completed whole.
The ability to feel and share between Jake, Susannah and Eddie could be likely from the fact that they are from a different earth, maybe even the same one. Roland is not and he though that that might have something to do with it too.
Well, first off, I don't think it prevents him from being Dinh?
I can certainly see why Roland would see himself as not being a 'full member' or maybe 'not as full as the others', from th epoint of view of their better ability to share thought. And I can only assume it's based on their being from a same world. But he most assuredly is a member of the ka-tet - and he most assuredly is it's Dinh.
Great question/topic though!
hmmmm
Adolf Hitler was as Austrian; Joseph Stalin (Djugashvili) a Georgian.
Not to give only bad examples, another two that come to mind immediately (there are more, though): Henry II of England, - the first Plantagenet and father of further kings Richard the Lionheart and John, - can't be called Frenchman only for lack of France at that time; he was born in Anjou from Count of Anjou, and raised in French-speaking parts of continent. Catherine II of Russia, one of our most prominent rulers, was a Prussian.
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Roland is more a member of many tets, because on some level of the worlds, he is semi-above ka. Its because of the loop and the creation of the writer.
very well put storyslinger
This has been my thoughts on the matter as well Jean. If they are all equal, then a leader is not necessary. It gives Roland a degree of objectivity that the others might lack (if only to a small degree). This isn't to say that Roland's leadership is perfect, but only, that it remains a distinguishing feature.
So if the Roland from his earth met Jake, etc.,. would he be able to share thoughts?
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What do you mean? They were able to share thoughts indeed.
Roland would have understood.
also, i don't think there is more than one Roland.
I don't think so either, it is not possible in my view. R_of_G is so damned smart.
(except when it comes to Twinners)
Yes Letti - but Roland himself thought it was limited - he could share some thought with Jake, but less than perfectly.What do you mean? They were able to share thoughts indeed.
Agreed - there's only one of him.also, i don't think there is more than one Roland.
Alright nobody get mad okay?
If its Rolands katet, how is it possible he's not part of it?j/k
The answer is within
all matter is energy, all energy is GOD
Oh he is part of the tet Linda, and is indeed its Dinh- I have no doubt on either of those.Alright nobody get mad okay?
If its Rolands katet, how is it possible he's not part of it?
It's just that there's an argument that says he's not as much part of it in certain ways as the others (in my mind that's only really manifest in his lesser ability to share thoughts with the others.)
Did Arthur rule Camelot or not? They sat at the round table, but he was still King. They were not king.
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