Occupy

**Jon** · 10-23-2011 04:44 AM

...of mice and men.

**Ruthful** · 10-24-2011 08:04 AM

I think the anger and discontent is justified, albeit misdirected. The people with the signs attacking "corporate socialism" were on target, IMO.

Here are links to some photo essays I've done on the subject:

http://american-rattlesnake.org/2011...zuccotti-park/

http://american-rattlesnake.org/2011...-observations/

http://american-rattlesnake.org/2011...y-wall-street/

**OchrisO** · 10-25-2011 11:37 AM

This is an interesting video: http://front.moveon.org/this%2Dpower...0192-_8N%3D8dx

Elizabeth Warren, the woman talking in most of the video knows her shit. She is an

attorney, law professor, and United States Senate candidate. She served as Assistant to the President and Special Advisor to the Secretary of the Treasury for the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau under President Obama. She is also the Leo Gottlieb Professor of Law at Harvard Law School, where she has taught contract law, bankruptcy, and commercial law. In the wake of the 2008-2011 financial crisis, she became the chair of the Congressional Oversight Panel created to oversee the U.S. banking bailout (formally known as the Troubled Assets Relief Program).

**Merlin1958** · 10-25-2011 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by OchrisO

This is an interesting video: http://front.moveon.org/this%2Dpower...0192-_8N%3D8dx

Elizabeth Warren, the woman talking in most of the video knows her shit. She is an

attorney, law professor, and United States Senate candidate. She served as Assistant to the President and Special Advisor to the Secretary of the Treasury for the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau under President Obama. She is also the Leo Gottlieb Professor of Law at Harvard Law School, where she has taught contract law, bankruptcy, and commercial law. In the wake of the 2008-2011 financial crisis, she became the chair of the Congressional Oversight Panel created to oversee the U.S. banking bailout (formally known as the Troubled Assets Relief Program).

Wall Street is not to blame. While I'm not condoning what they did the ultimate blame falls to Govt. for revising regulatory restrictions put in place to avoid this very situation. You can't put a shark in a bowl full of fish and not expect it to eat. That's capitalism. We're now paying for regulatory revisions put in place by the Clinton Administration, not revised by the Bush Admin.

**OchrisO** · 10-25-2011 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by George Steinbrenner

Originally Posted by OchrisO

This is an interesting video: http://front.moveon.org/this%2Dpower...0192-_8N%3D8dx

Elizabeth Warren, the woman talking in most of the video knows her shit. She is an

attorney, law professor, and United States Senate candidate. She served as Assistant to the President and Special Advisor to the Secretary of the Treasury for the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau under President Obama. She is also the Leo Gottlieb Professor of Law at Harvard Law School, where she has taught contract law, bankruptcy, and commercial law. In the wake of the 2008-2011 financial crisis, she became the chair of the Congressional Oversight Panel created to oversee the U.S. banking bailout (formally known as the Troubled Assets Relief Program).

Wall Street is not to blame. While I'm not condoning what they did the ultimate blame falls to Govt. for revising regulatory restrictions put in place to avoid this very situation. You can't put a shark in a bowl full of fish and not expect it to eat. That's capitalism. We're now paying for regulatory revisions put in place by the Clinton Administration, not revised by the Bush Admin.

Of course it started with Clinton's presidency, right at the end, when Glass-Steagall was repealed, but both chambers of Congress has Republican majority. Clinton signed the repeal into legislation(and started the deregulation, but the majority of it came after he was out of office), but they would have gotten it through anyway, even if he tried to veto it, because they would have refused to vote on anything he wanted to get through, much as the Republicans are doing to Obama with anything he tried to pass now. Blaming the president in power at the time is generally a red herring to draw attention to the congress majority at the time, which is generally who is to blame for the passing or lack of passing of legislation. There is supposed to be a balance, but it doesn't really work, because Congress will always refuse to vote on stuff the President wants to get done until they get what they want and Congress is owned and controlled by corporate lobbyists.

The United States was certainly to blame, but you can't say that Wall Street isn't just because someone shares the blame. When a dog that is actually vicious bites a kid, we don't say "Well, that kid shouldn't have stood so close to the cage. Or, it is the owner's fault, we will let the dog live." The dog also shares the blame. Wall Street wasn't a shark in bloody water, it was a pit bull allowed to bit people with no punishment from the government. The government did some bad things to allow it, but something still needs to be done about the dog before it bites someone again.

**Brice** · 10-26-2011 02:07 AM

Personally i don't care if EVERY person there intended violence. What i see is the one cop who ASSAULTED a civilian who was not acting on any intent of violence.

**Jon** · 10-26-2011 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Brice

Personally i don't care if EVERY person there intended violence. What i see is the one cop who ASSAULTED a civilian who was not acting on any intent of violence.

Here here!

**Merlin1958** · 10-26-2011 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by OchrisO

Originally Posted by George Steinbrenner

Originally Posted by OchrisO

This is an interesting video: http://front.moveon.org/this%2Dpower...0192-_8N%3D8dx

Elizabeth Warren, the woman talking in most of the video knows her shit. She is an

attorney, law professor, and United States Senate candidate. She served as Assistant to the President and Special Advisor to the Secretary of the Treasury for the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau under President Obama. She is also the Leo Gottlieb Professor of Law at Harvard Law School, where she has taught contract law, bankruptcy, and commercial law. In the wake of the 2008-2011 financial crisis, she became the chair of the Congressional Oversight Panel created to oversee the U.S. banking bailout (formally known as the Troubled Assets Relief Program).

Wall Street is not to blame. While I'm not condoning what they did the ultimate blame falls to Govt. for revising regulatory restrictions put in place to avoid this very situation. You can't put a shark in a bowl full of fish and not expect it to eat. That's capitalism. We're now paying for regulatory revisions put in place by the Clinton Administration, not revised by the Bush Admin.

Of course it started with Clinton's presidency, right at the end, when Glass-Steagall was repealed, but both chambers of Congress has Republican majority. Clinton signed the repeal into legislation(and started the deregulation, but the majority of it came after he was out of office), but they would have gotten it through anyway, even if he tried to veto it, because they would have refused to vote on anything he wanted to get through, much as the Republicans are doing to Obama with anything he tried to pass now. Blaming the president in power at the time is generally a red herring to draw attention to the congress majority at the time, which is generally who is to blame for the passing or lack of passing of legislation. There is supposed to be a balance, but it doesn't really work, because Congress will always refuse to vote on stuff the President wants to get done until they get what they want and Congress is owned and controlled by corporate lobbyists.

The United States was certainly to blame, but you can't say that Wall Street isn't just because someone shares the blame. When a dog that is actually vicious bites a kid, we don't say "Well, that kid shouldn't have stood so close to the cage. Or, it is the owner's fault, we will let the dog live." The dog also shares the blame. Wall Street wasn't a shark in bloody water, it was a pit bull allowed to bit people with no punishment from the government. The government did some bad things to allow it, but something still needs to be done about the dog before it bites someone again.

Hey, I was blaming "The Government" not a political party, just for the record. otherwise I generally agree with all you say. Ultimately, each party serves their own best interests just in different guises. Nancy Pelosi's husband has a significant interest in Del Monte and Cheney, Halliburton. We need Govt to look out for the interests of the "Public" and ultimately act responsibly.

**OchrisO** · 10-27-2011 01:25 AM

Here's some more ridiculous police behavior from Occupy Oakland on the other coast:

**Brice** · 10-27-2011 02:23 AM

Now now the police were clearly just protecting these good people from the consequences of exercising their free speech and all. Well... That and protecting us from hearing it or getting the twisted idea that we should exercise such rights. These civil servants behaved heroically.

**OchrisO** · 10-27-2011 02:39 AM

lol

**Brice** · 10-27-2011 02:46 AM

**pathoftheturtle** · 10-27-2011 06:44 PM

32 Pictures Of Police Brutality From Occupy Wall Street Protests

veteran receives skull fracture when peaceful march forcefully dispersed at Occupy Oakland

**Jon** · 11-02-2011 05:30 AM

And who knows whats best for the people better than the unorganized government. They do things so efficiently and so well and without corruption or a hidden agenda. *puke*

Save us, big brother! Save us from ourselves for we are mere children. *puke*

**Brice** · 11-02-2011 11:04 AM

They will let you know if you have an opinion different from their own. Do not forget your freedom of limited speech nor your right to peacefully assemble when and where you are told you may. Feel free to exercise your right to stand up to your government within the confines of your own heart and mind. Ah, freedom! How grand it is.

**Merlin1958** · 11-02-2011 06:08 PM

Somewhere I heard that "Freedom isn't Free". Just saying there are 2 sides to every story in the City that never sleeps.

Peace Out!!! Drops Microphone on the stage and exits stage left

**pathoftheturtle** · 11-03-2011 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by Merlin1958

Somewhere I heard that "Freedom isn't Free".

Was it from Hank Williams, Jr. by any chance?

I heard somewhere else that "We had to destroy the village to save it."

Didn't this --
veteran receives skull fracture when peaceful march forcefully dispersed at Occupy Oakland[/QUOTE]
-- Iraq war veteran pay enough for his freedom to protest Wall Street that he shouldn't get shot down by our police? Is it still wrong for the government to fund civilian works when so many finally discharged from the government's military are now unemployed?
Pass the American Jobs Bill!