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    Thanks for clarifying, David. I had a feeling that the consignee had a lot to do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdwyer19 View Post
    Thanks for clarifying, David. I had a feeling that the consignee had a lot to do with it.
    That doesn't negate the fact the these books seem to be fetching A LOT more lately. One sold on FB for $850 last week with issues and a $1000 dollar one a month ago but it was fine with poster. Would I pay it? No, but I have one... but would not want to be looking for one right now...
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    Values are going up AND you are seeing a lot less of most big titles even for sale. Between the age of us long time fans and how hot King is on tv and film right now we may be seeing a high point in book values.

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    The problem is the market is VERY limited for people willing to pay those prices. My suggestion is if you are ever planning on selling your collection, now is the time. Make hay while the sun shines.

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    There are defiantly A LOT of new collectors. I mean tons of new ones.... it is shocking how many are popping up and whether it is the new movies, shoes and King exposure who knows? But the market is growing for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by webstar1000 View Post
    There are defiantly A LOT of new collectors. I mean tons of new ones.... it is shocking how many are popping up and whether it is the new movies, shoes and King exposure who knows? But the market is growing for sure.
    The market may be growing for small king items (common firsts, gift editions, etc.) I don’t think it’s growing for big items.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webstar1000 View Post
    There are defiantly A LOT of new collectors. I mean tons of new ones.... it is shocking how many are popping up and whether it is the new movies, shoes and King exposure who knows? But the market is growing for sure.
    It's defiantly shoes Kris!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingfan24 View Post
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    There are defiantly A LOT of new collectors. I mean tons of new ones.... it is shocking how many are popping up and whether it is the new movies, shoes and King exposure who knows? But the market is growing for sure.
    The market may be growing for small king items (common firsts, gift editions, etc.) I don’t think it’s growing for big items.
    I disagree. I would say right up into the rare lettereds has grown.
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    There are defiantly A LOT of new collectors. I mean tons of new ones.... it is shocking how many are popping up and whether it is the new movies, shoes and King exposure who knows? But the market is growing for sure.
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    There are defiantly A LOT of new collectors. I mean tons of new ones.... it is shocking how many are popping up and whether it is the new movies, shoes and King exposure who knows? But the market is growing for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by webstar1000 View Post
    There are defiantly A LOT of new collectors. I mean tons of new ones.... it is shocking how many are popping up and whether it is the new movies, shoes and King exposure who knows? But the market is growing for sure.
    If this is indeed the case, and as a relatively "new" King collector myself I have no reason to believe it's not, then the increase in prices makes perfect sense! After all, there are never going to be any more Scream Press S/L Skeleton Crew copies than there are now, so the more people that want them, the higher the price they will fetch. Totally logical.

    As a new(ish) member of this board, it's been interesting to watch some of this change. So many of the collectors on here have been doing it for 10, 20, or even 30+ years and I'm sure would have had a hard time predicting where the market would go. We've seen this exact conversation play out plenty of times:

    Person A: I paid $100 for my copy
    Person B: The current market price is $300+
    Person A: I would NEVER pay $300 for this book, I don't believe you
    Person B: I have seen 3 copies of this book sell recently, all for over $300

    Skeleton Crew is a good current example. Another good example is Knowing Darkness. Lots of people here apparently got copies from George Beahm on the cheap way back in the day, and there was some general disbelief that the unsigned version was now a $300-$400 book and the numbered version routinely hits $1000.

    I do believe that the wisdom of the crowd (with help from specific sellers) is very often correct in the "how much is it worth?" thread, but I think there are a lot of long-time collectors who are surprised at prices because they purchased their copy years ago and since they're not in the market for a particular book they don't keep up on the prices (which makes sense).

    I always enjoy Mr. RT's posts from Betts selling history - that gives some nice historical context. Likewise, it's nice to know the prices Kris has seen on FB, which probably represents a distinctly different set of potential buyers!

    Lastly, there is probably some small effect of inflation. Skeleton Crew was $75 when it came out in 1985. Depending on the inflation calculator you use, that's between $180-$200 in 2019 dollars.

    What will be interesting to see, is just how much the market will continue to grow and push up prices. And also: what will happen when King inevitably dies? He has had such a massive cultural impact - I don't think there's good precedent for understanding how his death will impact the value of his books. I fully expect his works to be in print and still undergoing movie adaptations and remakes 50 years from now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by webstar1000 View Post
    There are defiantly A LOT of new collectors. I mean tons of new ones.... it is shocking how many are popping up and whether it is the new movies, shoes and King exposure who knows? But the market is growing for sure.
    One of these newer collectors here. I hope I am making some people on this forum some money
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    And when you first get into collecting, there's tons to catch up on at this point. And lots to learn about sources and prices. But, I do feel like a crazy person still spending so much on certain 'must have' items, so I definitely wish I started collecting much earlier. I don't have space for an enormous collection either, so that+ current costs tempers me a little. But I really love this hobby now. It feels right...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sullichin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by webstar1000 View Post
    There are defiantly A LOT of new collectors. I mean tons of new ones.... it is shocking how many are popping up and whether it is the new movies, shoes and King exposure who knows? But the market is growing for sure.
    One of these newer collectors here. I hope I am making some people on this forum some money
    Went from 0 - 4 signatures in a few months. Fan for decades, collecting has long been something I was interested in (had my account here forever too) and checked up on from time to time but something clicked and I actually got into it. Subconsciously, King being everywhere these days might have helped. Who knows. His books have always been a big part of my life.

    And when you first get into collecting, there's tons to catch up on at this point. And lots to learn about sources and prices. But, I do feel like a crazy person still spending so much on certain 'must have' items, so I definitely wish I started collecting much earlier. I don't have space for an enormous collection either, so that+ current costs tempers me a little. But I really love this hobby now. It feels right...
    Believe me when I say we love when new collectors start. It's fun seeing people start off the way we did. Hunting down firsts was definitely fun times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sullichin View Post
    And when you first get into collecting, there's tons to catch up on at this point. And lots to learn about sources and prices. But, I do feel like a crazy person still spending so much on certain 'must have' items, so I definitely wish I started collecting much earlier. I don't have space for an enormous collection either, so that+ current costs tempers me a little. But I really love this hobby now. It feels right...
    Also a relatively new collector, and I agree, it's exciting to see a whole world of beautiful books just open up to you. What helped me enormously was focus - deciding not just what to collect, but what NOT to collect. It enabled me to pay a bit more for the editions I had actively decided I wanted on my shelves. And reading posts here about what prices should be and how important condition is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingfan24 View Post
    The problem is the market is VERY limited for people willing to pay those prices. My suggestion is if you are ever planning on selling your collection, now is the time. Make hay while the sun shines.
    It is really hard to know when is the moment to sell. I know a few collectors who have cleared their books and deeply regretted it both because prices have continued to go up and because they feel the absence. Unless collecting SK is most a commercial venture for you then I think Marie Kondo has it right - sell when the joy is gone.

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    I think you hit the nail on the head...sell when the joy is gone...however, I recognize that there are some collectors that collect for the "investment." Having been a part of the stock market my whole life, I get the "timing the market" mentality of when to sell. So whatever your "flavor" of collecting, go with what your heart tells you.

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    GOT A NEW SILENT AUCTION COMING....likely Tuesday Afternoon

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizardsrainbow View Post
    GOT A NEW SILENT AUCTION COMING....likely Tuesday Afternoon
    Ohhhh what could this be David!??! Hint?


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    Quote Originally Posted by webstar1000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by wizardsrainbow View Post
    GOT A NEW SILENT AUCTION COMING....likely Tuesday Afternoon
    Ohhhh what could this be David!??! Hint?

    Spoiler:

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    Think 1980's King....great movie about story too

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizardsrainbow View Post
    GOT A NEW SILENT AUCTION COMING....likely Tuesday Afternoon
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    Quote Originally Posted by wizardsrainbow View Post
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    I've also got a set on ebay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calla_Wolf View Post
    I was very sad to hear that Stu was closing after so many years. My very first signed book came from there, and I visited there on my first honeymoon, with Stu opening specially for me.

    Now I know that the new owner is someone of the highest integrity, I've no concerns about the future of Betts (will the name remain?). Matey, I couldn't be more pleased for you. You have the right mix of honesty and insanity to make this work.

    In another thread Sir_Boome suggests you update the mailing list. My suggestion is to re-design the website. You don't want anything too fancy (I think that would detract from its main job) but it's a little too sprawling at the moment.

    All the luck in the world to you my friend.

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    Congratulations and thank you for being a fantastic caretaker David.

    I bought my first ever signed limited from Calla-Wolf and think he pointed me to Betts as a place to shop. It was a bucket list to visit Betts on my 40th and buy something sweet, but it didn’t happen for various reasons.

    But over the last few years I have had the privilege to buy the stand sl, Pet Sematary inscribed to David, and skeleton crew amongst a couple of other smaller items.

    Thank you and looking forward to your help in completing my king bucket list over the coming years.

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