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    Half assed help!!?!!...

    Monte, Lisey's Story rocks - I loved it, I'm surprised it gets such a bad press.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkthoughts View Post
    Half assed help!!?!!...

    Monte, Lisey's Story rocks - I loved it, I'm surprised it gets such a bad press.
    I'm with ya, princess. I am with you all the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by All_Hail_The_Crimson_King View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkthoughts View Post
    Half assed help!!?!!...

    Monte, Lisey's Story rocks - I loved it, I'm surprised it gets such a bad press.
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    And here I am, to defend Monte's honor!! ...Well, it may be too late for that...but I'm here to defend him nonetheless
    Yeah...what is that? Ok...reluctant help anyway.

    Don't worry...I make up my own mind about books. I will get to Lisey's soon but I have this thing about reading in order and Dreamcatcher is next so I have a couple more to go.

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    No, its more like...aw bugger it...I can't butter it up

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    Interesting review of Lisey's Story:

    Stephen King has written about zombies, vampires and the end of the world. He has imagined a killer car, a killer dog, a killer clown and killer cellphones. But when he really wants to put a scare into you, he brings on his most fearsome monster of all, that quivering mass of ego and insecurity known as ... the writer.
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    Lisey's Story started out slow, but I put it in my "okay" pile. It turned out to be an interesting story, just not, IMHO, one of his best.



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    I liked it In Bag of Bones he dealt with grief from a male point of view, and in Lisey's Story it was from a female point of view. The fragility and vulnerabilities in Lisey's Story were very well woven I think.
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    I've noticed a lot of folk seem to have a problem with slowness in a story. Is this the ADD in Western society..everything needs to be a soundbite or move along quickly? 9 times out of 10 if I hear a complaint about a book from someone who is below 50 its that "its too slow".
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    Maybe because the general consensus in writing is that a good story "grabs" the reader and pull him or her in. Blame the English professors.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Daghain View Post
    Maybe because the general consensus in writing is that a good story "grabs" the reader and pull him or her in. Blame the English professors.
    Whether a story grabs and pull someone doesn't necessarily have anything to do with plot being slow at times. I am very involved in a book like Insomnia or Rose Madder that has slow moments, Insomnia's first half of the book is pretty slow, but I'm still deeply immersed in the book.
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    Agreed, Insomnia did start slow, but as you said, was a good book

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    Whether a story grabs and pull someone doesn't necessarily have anything to do with plot being slow at times. I am very involved in a book like Insomnia or Rose Madder that has slow moments, Insomnia's first half of the book is pretty slow, but I'm still deeply immersed in the book
    No, but if it's slow, and there's not a lot of action, a lot of people tend to equate that with boring.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Daghain View Post
    Whether a story grabs and pull someone doesn't necessarily have anything to do with plot being slow at times. I am very involved in a book like Insomnia or Rose Madder that has slow moments, Insomnia's first half of the book is pretty slow, but I'm still deeply immersed in the book
    No, but if it's slow, and there's not a lot of action, a lot of people tend to equate that with boring.
    And that was my point.
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    I know what you're saying there Daggers, I'm with CK on this though. For me the lack of plot action didn't equate "boring" because - with Insomnia for example - I loved Ralph's character so much, I was really content just reading about him

    And thats one of the reasons I love King so much, his characters are so good, so believable and so likeable/hateable.

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    The reasons Insomnia is on my worst list have really nothing to do with it being slow. I found the story more interesting towards the end. The pace was fine, I was just not interested in the characters.

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    It just didn't have the sweaty, wet donkey anus that you were looking for in a book.
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    Damn, did I tell you that already? Yes, that IS the reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All_Hail_The_Crimson_King View Post
    I've noticed a lot of folk seem to have a problem with slowness in a story. Is this the ADD in Western society..everything needs to be a soundbite or move along quickly? 9 times out of 10 if I hear a complaint about a book from someone who is below 50 its that "its too slow".
    I love slow stories. I always prefer a local story (involving 2 or 3 people) where action takes place within a few days to an epic with such disconcerting bridges as "ten years passed". Among my favorite books are Lucky Jim by Amis and Crome Yellow by Huxley, where nothing happens at all; or Dickens novels. The slower the better. Provided it is entertaining, you see.

    Quote Originally Posted by MonteGss
    The reasons Insomnia is on my worst list have really nothing to do with it being slow. I found the story more interesting towards the end. The pace was fine, I was just not interested in the characters.
    With me it was just the opposite: I loved the characters and was bored by the story, especially towards the end.

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    I can and have enjoyed books with a languid pace, but boring is boring-any way you try to put it.

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    which is, basically, what I was trying to say

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    Languid - yeah, thats a good word! Makes me think of a cold beer and a cigarette...but generally on Friday's everything makes me think of a cold beer and a cigarette

    In Insomnia in particular I thought the pace was probably quite deliberate. It lent itself to the plot - with the senior citizens gradually becoming more enervated. I also just loved the fact that people over 60 were not just main characters, but heroes in this story. It was a really original concept to me, not something you usually find in popular fiction.

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    Well, I think Dreamcatcher could be King's worst novel. Yes, maybe TGWLTG is worse, but since Dreamcatcher is longer and more pretentious...

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