It's too bad she had to spoil the ending for the series in the first Concordance, though...
It's too bad she had to spoil the ending for the series in the first Concordance, though...
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Ha, didn't know that! I didn't get the Concordance until I started working on the Towerpedia.
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Yep. In the first Concordance (which was written when only the first four books and the Revised Gunslinger were out) she writes that thatSpoiler:I think partially because of what she wrote that theory became one of the most prevalent ones on the TDT.net forums prior to its release, so a lot of us weren't surprised when the last book came out.
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CG - Thanks for bringing this stuff over from the other thread. I appreciate it.Originally Posted by CyberGhostface
Well, I can't disagree with you there. I mean, I'd love for Sai King to do nothing all day long, every day, but write Dark Tower stories and lore, but that's never going to happen.
As far as I can read it, to me, he's listened to the fans who want more DT stuff and has entrusted her to deliver if for him.
I guess I sort of look at it as if ... if he feels she'll do his stories and characters justice, I have to trust his opinion of her.
I still call her a professional author, however.
I do see your point though, without Sai King who knows if we'd ever have heard from her.
She does have other comic titles to her name, but nothing huge.
Now, I love Peter David... he's an icon and has written some amazing stories and arcs... but I do wonder how much of what is dis-liked ... how much is Furth's stories and how much is David's writing of those?
I honestly do like it. I'm a comic geek and a DT geek, and the combination of both - it would be hard for me not to like it.
The only stuff I've not liked, specifically, is the Yentl-like actions of Aileen... and I have to assume that came originally from Sai King... down to Robin Furth and then from Peter David.
Hmmm... yeah, that is a lot of filtering from the source.
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Remember, Remember, The Fifth of November, The Gunpowder, Treason, and Plot.
Sorry, should have been more clear there. What I dislike is Furth's tales at the end of the comics. The rest is okay most of the time. That narrator, though - damn he's annoying!
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"You needn't die happy when your day comes, but you must die satisfied, for you have lived your life from beginning to end and ka is always served." ~ Roland Deschain
Oh, well, that's different. Nevermind.Sorry, should have been more clear there. What I dislike is Furth's tales at the end of the comics. The rest is okay most of the time. That narrator, though - damn he's annoying!
I can see where some of the essays go on for a bit, but still - I kind of like them, too, because she uses them to explain where she gets the details from. At least some of them do.
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I'm not sure if that's the case anymore. Her appendices indicate that a lot of the creative decisions are hers. For example, it was her idea to come up with Cort being poisoned by Marten's book. And it was entirely her idea to have the great plot point of the Grapefruit as the incestful succubus to Walter. Her interviews also indicate that Aileen's story is pretty much all hers because she wanted to have the "strong yet spunky independent female" character in the series.
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and if it were king, he'd have tried to heavy-handedly force it into the revised version like he did with the 19 thing.
Shhh, don't give him any ideas.
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But Sai King approves the stories, yes?I'm not sure if that's the case anymore. Her appendices indicate that a lot of the creative decisions are hers. For example, it was her idea to come up with Cort being poisoned by Marten's book. And it was entirely her idea to have the great plot point of the Grapefruit as the incestful succubus to Walter. Her interviews also indicate that Aileen's story is pretty much all hers because she wanted to have the "strong yet spunky independent female" character in the series.
I do see your point, though. And, well, Yent...Aileen is just a sort of dumb storyline... regardless of who wrote it. I mean, like no one would notice that Aileen "disappeared" and suddenly this "boy" shows up in town and starts hanging out with Roland and the gang?!?
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...And The Gunslinger Followed.
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"It is the story, not he who tells it." Except to us collectors who have to put limits somewhere. - jhanic
Sounds like a plotline Shakespeare would come up with - and we all know what a hack he was.... I mean, like no one would notice that Aileen "disappeared" and suddenly this "boy" shows up in town and starts hanging out with Roland and the gang?!?
"...that Siren which called and sang and promised so much and gave, after all, so little." ~ Ray Bradbury
Sounds like a plotline Shakespeare would come up with - and we all know what a hack he was.... I mean, like no one would notice that Aileen "disappeared" and suddenly this "boy" shows up in town and starts hanging out with Roland and the gang?!?
Yeah, he'll never catch on. Flash in the pan!
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...And The Gunslinger Followed.
“I’m always on the Batman rule, sir.” - Kate Kane / Detective Comics 857
"It is the story, not he who tells it." Except to us collectors who have to put limits somewhere. - jhanic
Yes, but simply checking off what she writes is not the same thing as doing it himself.
And it's not a matter of King taking away time for his novels if he were to write scripts for the comics. In addition to writing a novel every other year or so, he's also written numerous short stories, screenplays, reviews, columns, etc. I don't think writing a handful of comic scripts in addition would be too much of a load on his back.
Which play was that? Was it a comedy?
Although I would say that the whole concept isn't bad in and out of itself--for example, as I pointed out in an earlier thread, Disney's Mulan was a decent film and applied the similar trope of a girl pretending to be a male to fight a war in her father's place.
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CG - I think you're making light of the amount of time it takes to write a good comic script.
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I doubt it would take King any longer than it does for him to write a novella/short story. Probably less.
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Yeah, but that would be one comic issue a month !
So what if it takes him a month to write a short story/novella... that's a heck of a lot of time.
And the next arc is 30 issues.
That's 30 months commitment.
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Comic writers usually write their scripts in advance. It's not a case of writing one each month. At the very least he could outline the stories and general plot and have Peter David translate it to script.
But I wouldn't expect him to write The Gunslinger series anymore than I would to see him write The Stand, as the story is already done and just needs to be adapted.
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Yeah, but still... what I'm saying is - it's a huge time commitment for anyone.
Doesn't matter if the scripts are getting written ahead of time or not. They still take time and that's a lot of writing.
...plus there's got to be a huge amount of colaboration with the comic artist involved, because a writer can't work without input from the artist, and vise versa.
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Oh, there's more than one:
Twelfth Night
Cymbeline
As You Like It
Merchant of Venice
I think I got them all, but I might be mistaken.
"People, especially children, aren't measured by their IQ. What's important about them is whether they're good or bad, and these children are bad." ~ Alan Bernard
"You needn't die happy when your day comes, but you must die satisfied, for you have lived your life from beginning to end and ka is always served." ~ Roland Deschain
I think it depends on the type of comic one writes. For example, some 2000 AD stories get written with little if any communication between the writer and artist. (I think there is more communication for the bigger stories though, I'm mainly thinking of the short 5 pagers like Future Shocks which get a writer his/her foot in the door.) I think the process is a bit different over here in Britain though with each creator having more control over their individual contribution.
I'm sure you're right for the Dark Tower comics though. I remember being a tad surprised by all the back and forth stuff that goes on when reading the behind the scenes supplements. I.e. Panels drawn according to outline and the script created later? Dear me. Over here the script is usually written first in entirety and then the artist adapts it... but they usually have complete control of how they want it to look.
In short it's an easier process here. Creators are left to do their thing without each step being approved, but they're paid a good deal less. Which is one reason why a lot of our creators end up across the pond working for Marvel and DC. Heh.
Actually, that's a good question to ask Richard Isanove over in the other thread - about how close/much collaboration goes into each issue!
Question Asked Of Richard Here
The Man In Black Fled Across The Desert...
...And The Gunslinger Followed.
“I’m always on the Batman rule, sir.” - Kate Kane / Detective Comics 857
"It is the story, not he who tells it." Except to us collectors who have to put limits somewhere. - jhanic
Sounds like a plotline Shakespeare would come up with - and we all know what a hack he was.... I mean, like no one would notice that Aileen "disappeared" and suddenly this "boy" shows up in town and starts hanging out with Roland and the gang?!?
Yeah, he'll never catch on. Flash in the pan!
I only thought of three of your four, so that list looks complete to me.Oh, there's more than one:
Twelfth Night
Cymbeline
As You Like It
Merchant of Venice
I think I got them all, but I might be mistaken.
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According to Isanove, what Furth does is write a 12-20 page prose story and everyone takes it from there. King could do that in his sleep. If he were to take less than half an hour each day he could probably get four issues done in a month and always be on time. (I'm being generous though--he could probably write the whole thing before breakfast)
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Far from thinking that only Stephen King should be allowed to touch this mythos, I'd like to see more writers than just Furth contribute.
And I realize that the argument about Aileen is just an aside here, but to toss in my own two cents, I tend to agree that such a trope can be hit-or-miss. Specifically in this case, it doesn't bother me unless I think about it. I guess I have mixed feelings.
I guess it would depend on who's writing it. I don't think anyone would say no if the writers from Lost or Daniel Knauf would go on board.
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