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    (Pg 19) - Editing error: It says here that Roland brought back more than 300 rounds of ammunition from Eddie and Susannah's world (but really it was Jack Mort's world, not theirs). However that can't be, because Roland only took four boxes of fifty bullets each, which would equal only 200 (see page's 398 and 413 of The Drawing of the Three).
    (Pg 20) - Error between editions: In the Signet edition, the sentence "how to find north by Old Star and south by Old Mother", appears as "how to find north by Old Star and east by Old Mother" in the Grant edition. In this instance, the Grant edition has the correct version. Also, the time between The Drawing of the Three and The Waste Lands is close to two months.

    (Pg 25) - Odetta's mother's name is Sarah Walker Holmes, but in The Drawing of the Three, her name was Allie Walker Holmes.

    (Pg 30) - Error between editions: In the Signet edition, the sentence "an item which had been purchased in New York City's finest medical supply house", appears as "an item which had been purchased in New York City's finest ostomy supply house" in the Grant edition.

    (Pg 35) - Eddie's sister's name is Gloria Dean, but in The Drawing of the Three, her name was Selina Dean.

    (Pg 44) - Error between editions: In the Signet edition, the sentence "squeezed between its paws in curdled gobbets", appears as "squeezed between its jaws in curdled gobbets" in the Grant edition. In this instance, the Grant edition has the correct version.

    (Pg 57) - Here is the story of the creation of The Guardians.

    (Pg 58) - Roland continues to have a problem understanding some of the stranger words of Eddie and Susannah's world. He has the same "backwards tongue" as in Wizard and Glass. Example: see-saw = saw-see.

    (Pg 70) - Error between editions: In the Signet edition, the sentence "I caught up with the men I had been chasing.", appears as "I caught up with the man I had been chasing." in the Grant edition. In this instance, the Grant edition has the correct version. Also, Roland says that the palaver he and Walter, the man in black, had in The Gunslinger was a long one. Roland thinks that Walter had to have been dead for over one hundred years by the time Roland woke up.

    (Pg 77) - One of the Twelve Guardians must be an ape or gorilla. In Eddie's dream, he sees a model tower in a magic shop's window with a model of King Kong on top of it. On top of the ape's head was a small radar dish growing out of it. Coincidence? I think not...

    (Pg 78) - In Eddie's dream, Jack Andolini says "there are other world's than these and that fucking train rolls through all of them." Clearly meaning Blaine the Mono, this sentence has a one word meaning: thinnies!

    (Pg 87) - Here is a second mention of Oz. Eddie explains to Roland what Oz is.

    (Pg 90) - Roland explains what ka, ka-tet, and tet means.

    (Pg 97) - The little robot "helpers" around the Portal of the Bear might be small replicas of the other Guardians (the other Guardians themselves might have similar "helpers" at their own portals). Hints of other Guardians could be a Snake, Bat and Rat. However, what the "Tonka Tractor" could be is quite a mystery.

    (Pg 101) - Eddie says that he wouldn't know his old man (father) if he passed him on the street. We can conclude that his father left his family shortly after Eddie's birth.

    (Pg 108-09) - Here is the story of the creation of The Beams.

    (Pg 110) - Roland tells Eddie and Susannah, "I didn't walk but rode most of the distance on horseback... I was -- slowed up, shall we say? -- every now and then, but for the most of that time I was moving." It's plausible to assume that this might be the point when Roland was thinking of his run-in with the Little Sisters in the Dark Tower short story "The Little Sisters of Eluria". As well, Roland tells Eddie and Susannah about John Farson wanting Roland's head on a pole in his courtyard because Roland had stolen something from him. We learn in Wizard and Glass that this object was none other than Maerlyn's Grapefruit which was part of Maerlyn's Rainbow.

    (Pg 112) - It says here that Henry had told their mother that Eddie and himself were going to Dahlberg's for Hoodsie Rockets, but later we learn on page 265, that it was Henry who told Eddie to tell their mother that they were going to Dahlberg's.

    (Pg 130) - Here it states positive that Jake is 11 years old. If the events in his life that lead to his drawing took place in May/June of 1977, we can safely presume that he was born in either 1965 or 1966. We also learn that Jake Chambers mother's name is Laurie and father's name is Elmer.

    (Pg 133) - Jake was killed in his world for the first time on May 9th at 8:25am.

    (Pg 141) - In Jake's final essay, the part that says: "One of them had an Amoco gas pump between his legs and was pretending it was his penis. That is the truth." isn't actually "the truth". Jake never experienced this under the mountains. This was a memory of Roland's (which as far as we can tell, he never spoke of) and the "man" was not one of the Slow Mutants under the mountains, but of a man that Roland remembered encountering during this travels before he met Jake. However, the man did pretend it was his penis...

    (Pg 145) - Jake passes by a classroom where a boy named Stan Dorfman was speaking. Dorfman? Perhaps he is the son of the man Dorfman that Jack Mort was supposed to give a tax refund to in The Drawing of the Three?

    (Pg 153) - Greta Shaw liked to read the tabloid newspaper Inside View. This is the same tabloid that appears in King's short story The Night Flier and many other of his stories.

    (Pg 161) - Jake mentions "the coming of the White!" We may learn more about this "White" as the epic continues.

    (Pg 166) - Calvin Tower mentions publisher Donald M. Grant to Jake. (Note: to those of you new to the Dark Tower series, Donald M. Grant is the publisher of the limited hardcover editions of King's The Dark Tower series).

    (Pg 167) - Here, Calvin Tower talks to Jake about being "wise enough to saddle up and light out for the territories," -- the reference to "the territories" just might have some connection to King & Straub's book The Talisman. Maybe? Also, we see that Calvin Tower's friend's name was Aaron Deepneau. Could this be a connection to the Ed Deepneau of King's novel Insomnia? It's the type of last name that is too unheard of to just be a coincidence.

    (Pg 181) - Error between editions: In the Signet edition, the sentence "He had been lying here, dead to the world, for at least five hours.", appears as "He had been lying here, dead to the world, for at least six hours." in the Grant edition.

    (Pg 194-95) - Error between editions: In the Signet edition, the character of Leonard Bissette was orignally named Harvey Bissette in the Grant edition. (Note: even King's "writing" for Len's/Harvey's signature is written differently)

    (Pg 199) - Error between editions: In the Signet edition, the sentence "...and saw it had originally been published in 1942", appears as "...and saw it had originally been published in 1952" in the Grant edition. In this instance, the Signet edition has the correct version.

    (Pg 201) - Error between editions: In the Signet edition, the sentence "undoubtedly interesting to the 40's era boys", appears as "undoubtedly interesting to the 50's era boys" in the Grant edition. In this instance, the Signet edition has the correct version.

    (Pg 215) - Here, it describes Roland weeping. Eddie thinks to himself that he had never seen Roland crying before. But in The Drawing of the Three on page 460, Eddie sees Roland weeping openly by the campfire.

    (Pg 232) - Here we learn more about the mysterious Mid-World.

    (Pg 235) - A store is mentioned here where little girls go to buy clothes and is called "Miss So Pretty". It's almost the same phrase that Susan Delgado's aunt Cordelia called Susan in Wizard and Glass sometimes. "Miss-Oh-So-Young-and-Pretty".

    (Pg 242) - Susannah's age is twenty-six; she was born in 1937 (if you take into account that she was drawn in February of 1964). In Eddie's when, she would have been 49-50 years old.

    (Pg 246) - Eddie says he doesn't care dick about his father. This strengthens the idea that his father left his family (see page 101).

    (Pg 249) - The songs Detta Walker danced to with the roadhouse whiteboys like "Hippy-Hippy Shake" and "Double Shot of My Baby's Love" could not have been around at that time. These songs only became popular after she had her legs cut off. "Hippy" was popularly sung by The Swinging Blue Jeans in 1963 and "Double Shot" was performed by The Swinging Medallions in 1966. Because Odetta/Detta lost her legs in August 1959, she would have been dancing at these roadhouses, figuring conservately in 1958, and these songs couldn't have been playing at that time.

    (Pg 277) - Here, Jake remembers a part of the poem The Waste Land by T.S. Eliot. King used this poem to help base this third book of the Dark Tower series, coincedentally called The Waste Lands.

    (Pg 281) - Error between editions: In the Signet edition, the sentence "Her lips rose and fell, rose and fell.", appears as "Her hips rose and fell, rose and fell." in the Grant edition. In this instance, the Grant edition has the correct version.

    (Pg 293) - Editing error: the word "milllimeter" should be spelled "millimeter".

    (Pg 299) - Error between editions: In the Signet edition, the sentence "as if an unseen meshwork had been drawn across the chair.", appears as "as if an unseen meshwork had been drawn across the door." in the Grant edition. In this instance, the Grant edition has the correct version.

    (Pg 326) - The guesture greeting of tapping the throat three times was first introduced here (ie. Roland meeting Aunt Talitha).

    (Pg 328) - Editing error: the word "dropcoth" should be spelled "dropcloth". Also, Aunt Talitha speaks about "the coming of the White"... the same "White" that Jake talked about earlier.

    (Pg 369) - Roland tells about his palaver with Walter here. Again he says that mayhap a hundred years passed during that time or mayhap even as much as five hundred years.

    (Pg 437) - Error between editions: In the Signet edition, the sentence "the laugh that followed sounded suspiciously like a sob", appears as "the laugh that followed sounded suspiciously like tears" in the Grant edition.

    (Pg 437) - Error between editions: In the Signet edition, the sentence "a bunker like Hitler and his high command retreated to", appears as "a command-bunker like Hitler and his high command retreated to" in the Grant edition.

    (Pg 446) - Error between editions: In the Signet edition, the sentence "that sounded like the buzz of a cicada.", appears as "that sounded like the buzz of a cicada going into summer hibernation." in the Grant edition.

    (Pg 464) - Here it says, "The amplified thump of the drums had buried the sound of Eddie and Susannah's battle with the ragged band of Pubes, but he heard this gunshot clearly and smiled." However, on page 446, it clearly explains that as Eddie pushed Susannah's wheelchair over a curb, "the drums suddenly cut out." This was before their gunfight with the Pubes. So how could the God-drums cover the noise of that firefight so that Roland couldn't hear the shots if the music had been cut-off already?

    (Pg 479) - "Swamp-fire" is neon in Roland's world.

    (Pg 482) - Error between editions: In the Signet edition, the sign that showed Eddie and Susannah the direction of both Blaine and Patricia's travel showed Blaine's direction of travel as SOUTHEAST. However, on page 415 of the Grant edition, the same sign shows Blaine's direction of travel as NORTHEAST. This is very wrong. In this instance, the Signet edition has the correct version.

    (Pg 483) - Here Susannah quotes a line from a piece of poetry from T.S. Eliot's The Waste Land that King used in part to base the third volume of the Dark Tower series; The Waste Lands.

    (Pg 488) - Error between editions: In the Signet edition, the sentence "and yet at the same time knew it hadn't been Susannah.", appears as "and yet at the same time knew it hadn't been her." in the Grant edition.

    2ndError between editions: In the Signet edition, the sentence "a frightened child who just happens to be almost invisible.", appears as "a frightened child who just happens to be invisible." in the Grant edition.

    (Pg 493) - Jake saw rugs in the Cradle of the Grays that were made in a place called Kashamin. Kashamin is also a place in King's novel The Eyes of the Dragon. This is another definite link between these two stories.

    (Pg 495) - Error between editions: In the Signet edition, the sentences "'Still, he's wery pert, Ticky. Wery pery, Ticky. Wery pert indeed, so he is, and if you want my opinion, he'll take a deal of training!'", appears as "'Still, he's wery pert, Ticky. Wery pert indeed, so he is, and if you want my opinion, he'll take a deal of training!'" in the Grant edition.

    (Pg 496) - Error between editions: In the Signet edition, the sentence "...sense of being expertly catalogued and filed.", appears as "...sense of being expertly filed and catalogued." in the Grant edition.

    (Pg 498) - The word "sigul" is mentioned by Tick-Tock. He thought Jake's Seiko watch was a sign of identification. We later find out in Wizard and Glass that "sigul" means "sign" or "logo".

    (Pg 508) - Roland's grandmother's name is Deidre the Mad (although it is not clear about who's side of Roland's family she is from).

    (Pg 525) - Error between editions: In the Signet edition, the sentence "In other words, Blaine the Mono was preparing to get out of Dodge.", appears as "And in the Cradle of Lud, Blaine the Mono was preparing to get out of Dodge." in the Grant edition.

    (Pg 527) - Here it says that Roland remembers Jake taking off his shirt and soaking it under the water pump at the way station (in The Gunslinger) and had given it to him to drink. However in The Gunslinger, it clearly states that Jake used a dented tin can to give water to Roland.

    (Pg 544) - Fannin appears to be a mind reader. Tick-Tock thought so.

    (Pg 546-47) - Fannin speaks of "an old acquaintance" that ended up betraying him. This person always said "My life for you!". This "acquaintance" of Fannin's could be none other than the Trashcan Man from King's The Stand, which links these two stories together.

    (Pg 555) - Error between editions: In the Signet and Grant editions, Susannah's/Detta's "Prime Numbah's" speech is just a bit different with added text in the Grant edition. Here is how it appears in the Grant edition:

    "It gotta be a numbah you make by addin' two other numbahs, and it don't nevveh divide 'ceptin by one and its ownself. One is prime just 'cause it is. Two is prime, 'cause you can git it by addin' one and one and you can divide it by one an' two. But it's the only even numbah that's prime."

    (Pg 566) - Editing error: Blaine tells his passengers that their course keeps firmly SOUTHWEST along the Beam. It was supposed to say SOUTHEAST.

    (Pg 569-70) - J.R.R. Tolkien is mentioned here by Susannah. It is known that King has been inspired by Tolkien's stories which helped him write The Dark Tower series.

    (Pg 571) - Blaine confirms Eddie's guess. What caused the mutations and everything else in the waste lands was not a nuclear war, but something much worse than that... "and it's not over yet!"

    (Pg 572) - In yet another reference to Oz, Jake thinks Blaine is like Oz the Great and Terrible because he was only a disembodied voice.

    (Pg 573) - Blaine states that he has samples of music from over three-hundred levels of the Tower.

    (Pg 577) - Blaine supposedly has monitoring equipment in End-World -- where the Dark Tower stands -- but it has been down for over eight hundred years.

    (Author's Note Pg 590) - Error between editions: King says that in the fourth book "we will be reacquainted with both the Tick-Tock Man and that puzzling figure Walter, called the Wizard or the Ageless Stranger." This sentence has caused a lot of discussion and theories as to the real nature of Walter over the past years. However, here and now, the truth may be revealed.

    The whole problem with this sentence stems from the punctuation used by the editors of the Signet edition. The proper punctuation appeared as the following in the Grant edition:

    "we will be reacquainted with both the Tick-Tock Man and that puzzling figure Walter called the Wizard or the Ageless Stranger."

    The change of the comma after Walter's name makes a big difference in what is being said. Now we know, King wasn't refering to Walter as "the Wizard" or "the Ageless Stranger", but refering to those names as what Walter himself called the being he was talking about.
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    (Argument) - King says that Walter, the man in black, pretended friendship with Roland's father Steven, but who actually served Marten, Steven's own advisor and wizard. King also hints that Roland might have made a mistake by not drawing Jack Mort. There's always a price to pay for rebelling against a foretold future. This is perhaps the reason Roland's mind became divided in The Waste Lands.
    (Pg 7) - There is an extra passage here that does not appear in The Waste Lands. Just after Jake says he knows the cat/complex sentence riddle (which King also forgot to add the part "our English teacher told us that one just this year."), this appears:

    "YES", Blaine agreed. "A VERY SILLY OLD RIDDLE, USEFUL ONLY AS A MNEMONIC DEVICE."
    "For once I agree with you, Blaine old buddy." Eddie said.
    "I AM NOT YOUR BUDDY, EDDIE OF NEW YORK."
    "Well, jeez. Kiss my ass and go to heaven."
    "THERE IS NO HEAVEN."
    Eddie had no comeback for that one.

    Why did this part only appear in Wizard and Glass's prologue and not in it's proper place at the end of The Waste Lands?

    (Pg 14) - Here it confirms that the last time Blaine had passed thru Candleton was seven years before. Radiation levels and the chemical compound DEP3 were the cause of destruction to the inhabitants and cause of the mutations to wildlife.

    (Pg 21) - We find out that the courtesy guesture Roland made toward Aunt Talitha by tapping his throat three times rapidly with the fingers of his right hand, was done to women only. For men, the left hand was used, and on the breastbone.

    (Pg 27-28) - Blaine says that even love is a constant from one level of the Tower to the next ("even in these degenerate days").

    (Pg 35) - Roland says that Cort held palaver with a cult or sect called the manni. Blaine thinks they were always a foolish group.

    (Pg 44) - Henry Dean's gang had mentioned knowing a guy by the name of Skipper Brannigan. This is also a character from King's short story/novella called Everything's Eventual.

    (Pg 58) - Eddie uses one of Roland's six-shooters to fire at Blaine's burnt out route map. However, in all other instances, Eddie uses only the Ruger. How did Eddie get hold of Roland's .45?

    (Pg 67) - Here we see a part of the poem Childe Roland to the Dark Tower Came by Robert Browning... the exact one that King used to help base his version of the Dark Tower story.

    (Pg 70) - Roland thinks he remembers a place called Santa Fe in the Barony of Mejis.

    (Pg 75) - Although it makes sense that Odetta/Detta carried a purse with her when she was drawn by Roland, this is the first time we hear tell that she (Susannah) actually still has it.

    (Pg 81) - The ka-tet believe they've passed through a thinny while aboard Blaine. This is how they got to the Topeka Kansas of another when or where.

    (Pg 86) - Jake believes for some reason that he may not be "done" with his parents just yet. Might he meet them again on his way to the Dark Tower or at it?

    (Pg 88) - While perusing a parking lot in Topeka, neither Jake nor Eddie can recall ever hearing of a car called a Takuro Spirit.

    (Pg 102) - Jake makes a reference to ghosts and says "sometimes they come back". This phrase is also the name of the short story by King; Sometimes they come back.

    (Pg 103) - On this page, it says that Gilead is a Barony. Gilead was not a Barony but was a city in the Barony of New Canaan.

    (Pg 107) - Roland thinks the rose may be the Tower.

    (Pg 116) - Steven Deschain speaks of Marten and John Farson as two separate people.

    (Pg 122) - Here, we find that the old woman we have read about is named Rhea, Witch of the Cöos. This character was also talked about in King's The Eyes of the Dragon. The village people told fairy tales and myths of Rhiannon, Witch of the Cöos. On page 108 in the Signet paperback of The Eyes of the Dragon it says, "Outside, the wind screamed and gobbled -- old wives cringed in their beds and slept poorly and told their husbands that Rhiannon, the Dark Witch of the Coos, was riding her hateful broom this night, and wicked work was afoot."

    (Pg 171) - "'I'm going to send you away', Steven had said, sitting there on the bed and looking somberly at his only son, the one who had lived." Maybe there was another child who died at birth? Roland's brother?!

    (Pg 193-94) - Ice was special on Glowing Day. What kind of special day might this be? Must be in summer for ice to be special...

    (Pg 197) - Editing error: "Roland" is spelled "Ronald".

    (Pg 215) - Here it speaks of Excalibur, the sword of Arthur Eld, King of All-World.

    (Pg 225) - Words like Texaco, Citgo, Sunoco, and Exxon had unknown meanings in Hambry.

    (Pg 399) - Here we learn that Rhea's last name is Dubativo.

    (Pg 402) - Jonas spoke of moving the tankers "two by two... like Old Pa's Ark." Could this mean Noah's Ark?

    (Pg 410) - 5 shooters were called "carvers".

    (Pg 505) - Editing error: Theresa O'Shyven was the wife of Peter, not the husband of Peter.

    (Pg 520) - Editing error: It should read here either "the Barony of Mejis" or "the town of Hambry", not "the town of Mejis."

    (Pg 575) - Rhea "refreshes" herself by drinking Cordelia's blood. Almost vampire like but without the fangs. She also says she dreams of roses and the Tower.

    (Pg 596-97) - Here, we hear of the Turtle, the same one from King's novel IT.

    (Pg 600) - Possible editing error: The word fug should be fog. This only appears wrong in the Plume edition)

    (Pg 648) - Mother Abagail and the Dark Man are mentioned here. These are characters from King's novel The Stand which shows that these two stories are indeed tied into one another along with many other points of reference.

    (Pg 656) - Jake believes the "open eye" sigul is that of the Crimson King, and not of John Farson (or Flagg?).

    (Pg 662) - Editing error: Here it says that both Eddie and Roland grasped Oy's paws to tap them together to open the Wizard's Gate, but in the following paragraph, it was Jake and Roland who tapped the bumblers paws together. It would be safe to assume that it was originally to be Jake and Roland, not Eddie and Roland because of Jake's attachment to Oy.

    (Pg 674) - The Wizard tells Roland and his group that his name is Flagg. He says "we've met before." This refers to the time in Roland's past when he saw Flagg turn a man into a howling dog as told in The Drawing of the Three. So this means they've only met each other once before, unlike Roland had known Marten (he had known Marten for many years as a child). This does not necessarily help the theory that Marten was actually Flagg in disguise.

    (Pg 679) - Gabrielle (Roland's mother) had a rug in her room made from the Province of Kashamin. Jake recalls seeing the same type of rug in the Tick-Tock Man's lair in Lud. Again, the Province of Kashamin is yet another link between the Dark Tower series and King's novel The Eyes of the Dragon.

    (Pg 680) - Here it says that Jake's mother's name is Megan, but in The Waste Lands her name is Laurie.

    (Pg 683) - Inside the wizard's glass, Rhea tells Eddie, Susannah and Jake to ask Roland about his old friends... Cuthbert, Alain and Jaime DeCurry. She said "he never had a friend he didn't kill, never a lover who's not dust in the wind!" We know Roland and Cuthbert killed Alain, but did Roland also really kill all the rest as well?

    (Pg 692) - Roland says that the belt his mother made for him as a present was lost by him later in his life and the story of this, in part, bears on his quest for the Tower. Also he says that someone had taken the pink wizard's glass while he had fainted beside his dead mother and that later in his life he met Rhea again.
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    Thank God typos don't exist in my world.
    It's impossible for me to notice them.

    Roland would have understood.

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    What I'm about to bring up might be a well known thing, though have never read anything about it. Or it is something I don't understand that well because english is not my 1th language.
    It is about the rewritten volume 1 and I think a blooper.

    In chapter 7 of The Gunslinger and the Man in Black Roland asks what Walter means by glammer. But Walter never mentions glammer earlier.
    In the original version there is talk about it, but I think a part of it got lost while rewritten or something. Does anyone know more about it?

    Also off-topic maybe, but in the Colorado Kid in one page Hogan was misspelled as Dogan.

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    Last edited by Alex; 08-22-2008 at 12:02 PM.

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    Well I'm not quite sure what you mean by inconsistencies...do you mean like plot holes? Do you have any examples?

    I know there have been a few small errors in the first couple books, like the infamous mule/donkey thing but I cant think of anything major.

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    The Answer is 19.

    19. A psychedelic vision? Maybe one minute it is a donkey. And the next it goes Todash and he see's a different level wherein it's a mule. Perhaps a memory.

    To say more would to be a Spoiler.

    Enjoy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RelevantCloud9 View Post
    I don't buy that. Stephen King never makes the slip again with the mule. It remains a mule after that in the other books.

    I believe he just got sloppy.
    To be fair, it is 4,000 pages long, so it'd be very difficult to go back through all of that and make everything 100% consistent--although I've heard it said that he wants to revise all the volumes (presumably for just that purpose)....

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    I dont buy the todash thing at all. Sorry ATG.

    But like John_and_Yoko said it is a very long series, and a very complicated one as well. Not to mention the books you are reading were written many, many years ago when King was first writing, I doubt his editors and publishers had the attention to details like they do now, let alone a 19 year old kid. I cant think of any such errors in 4 through 7. For a series of this size and complexity I'd say there are very few plot inconsistencies, and lacking entirely of any that are major or substantial.

    I can see how that might bother someone though, but I wouldnt let it affect your enjoyment of such a wonderful series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin View Post
    I dont buy the todash thing at all. Sorry ATG.

    But like John_and_Yoko said it is a very long series, and a very complicated one as well. Not to mention the books you are reading were written many, many years ago when King was first writing, I doubt his editors and publishers had the attention to details like they do now, let alone a 19 year old kid. I cant think of any such errors in 4 through 7. For a series of this size and complexity I'd say there are very few plot inconsistencies, and lacking entirely of any that are major or substantial.

    I can see how that might bother someone though, but I wouldnt let it affect your enjoyment of such a wonderful series.
    I tend to read for the pleasure of it, myself, so I'm not looking for inconsistencies, and only tend to notice them if they're big.

    The closest thing to one that I remember had to do with
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    Walter O'Dim and Randall Flagg being the same individual--Volume I has Roland doubting Walter is dead, the next three volumes have Walter described as being dead, and the last three volumes state that Walter is Flagg (thus NOT dead), matter-of-factly, no big revelation. Yes, Flagg is Marten Broadcloak, but Volume IV doesn't say he's Walter O'Dim too....


    But I didn't even let that one bother me.

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    Hi RelevantCloud9! Welcome to the site!

    I agree with Kevin and J&Y.

    I think with so much time between books and all pages, story arcs and details, Sai King did a pretty darn good job keeping track of it all with few mistakes. I would'nt let these little things tarnish your view of the series. Definately keep reading.

    I can't think of any inconsistencies off the top of my head from the last 3 books, but King had Robin Furth keeping track of everything by that point, right?
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    There are some small inconsistancies and some big ones yeah. If you're caught up in the magic of the series than it really shouldn't matter. I have been able to overlook them.
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    I believe he just got sloppy.
    even king makes mistakes.

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    Every author makes mistakes, millions of them, that's why they have editors. I think most people on this site would freak if they saw a King manuscript, marked in red from beginning to finish. People seem to think that he just sits at his desk and writes like some kind of oracle or something. I have the utmost respect for King, but I think people's expectations of him are a little unrealistic at times.

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    The first four books weren't edited before publication the same way his mainstream books were edited, so there are a lot of continuity errors and snafus. Many of them are incorporated into the story as it becomes more meta-textual in the later books, which were edited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RelevantCloud9 View Post
    I don't buy that. Stephen King never makes the slip again with the mule. It remains a mule after that in the other books.

    I believe he just got sloppy.
    Funnily enough, I'm pretty sure that in the Original Gunslinger it's referred to as a donkey three times, and a mule all others. Then in the Revised one of those three was corrected but the other two remain. I'm subject to correction on that. Yeah it';s a little sloppy, but really it's just the lack of tight editing.
    Another example for ya is when King often refers to Roland '..fanning the trigger...' of his revolver. Anyone who's ever read a western knows you can fan the hammer, but certainly not the trigger.

    None of these little things affect the true quality of the work though.
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    Thats right I remember that fanning the trigger,
    but as you've all so elloquently pointed out the
    errors are easily overlooked when the whole of
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    don't sweat the small stuff. unless you're someone like that.

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    Maybe he wants his steed to be able to have babies. To make it simply a mule means it cannot...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATG View Post
    The Answer is 19.

    19. A psychedelic vision? Maybe one minute it is a donkey. And the next it goes Todash and he see's a different level wherein it's a mule. Perhaps a memory.

    To say more would to be a Spoiler.

    Enjoy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by All_Hail_The_Crimson_King View Post
    There are some small inconsistancies and some big ones yeah. If you're caught up in the magic of the series than it really shouldn't matter. I have been able to overlook them.
    It's my answer, too. It's easier for me because I am so much in the story that I hardly ever notice such things but when I do my mind doesn't give a damn.
    Anyway it was a good question RelevantCloud9 and I hope you will be able to enjoy the story as much as we do.

    Quote Originally Posted by obscurejude View Post
    People seem to think that he just sits at his desk and writes like some kind of oracle or something.
    It's so true for my part I do. I have that picture in my mind.

    Roland would have understood.

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    I know Letti, but I have friends in publishing, its just the reality. I don't want to deprive you of such a strong mental image.

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    maybe the donkey Jaunted?

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    With the donkey / mule thing - considering the heavy references to messed up genetics in mid-world, and that a mule is the offspring of a horse and a donkey, I think the discrepency can slide. Perhaps it was a mule that looked like a donkey, or a donkey that looked like a mule, or perhaps King through the eyes of Roland kept taking guesses at what it could be.

    'Mule' can also refer to any hybrid offspring, or a carrier of goods. i.e. Roland used his donkey as a mule.

    Sounds strange but its still correct.
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    Last explanation is by far the best.

    And I think a small travel fan could be held to the trigger in some cultures.

    But with all that said, none of it ever really bothered me because I am the type of person that just gets it down and lets the cosmos sort it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt View Post

    But with all that said, none of it ever really bothered me because I am the type of person that just gets it down and lets the cosmos sort it out.
    Sorry Matt, but what the Hell does this mean.?

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