Little Sisters of Eluria (Revised Gunslinger)

[carlosdetweiller]

Rather than gamble on getting a copy with a Whelan drawing I think I would buy lottery tickets. The odds are better with the lottery.

[Robert Fulman]

If you believe that there are really 30 to 50 drawings, and that they are randomly distributed, then having just 10 books would give you a 7% to 12% chance of finding one of the drawings. Having 50 books raises the chances to 32% to 47%. It does seem unlikely that none (?) of the members of this forum found one.

[carlosdetweiller]

Your math is probably correct. I just don't believe that the 30 to 50 drawings (or however many Whelan did) are/were randomly distributed. I think they are now all safely in the hands of people who had access to the books prior to their being sold to the public. I have no proof of that....just a very strong opinion/hunch.

[Robert Fulman]

Right: if A implies B, then (not A) implies (not B).

If (Randomly distributed books) implies (someone should find one)
Then (No one found one) implies (Books not randomly distributed).

[Randall Flagg]

If you believe that there are really 30 to 50 drawings, and that they are randomly distributed, then having just 10 books would give you a 7% to 12% chance of finding one of the drawings. Having 50 books raises the chances to 32% to 47%. It does seem unlikely that none (?) of the members of this forum found one.

There are not 30+ full page drawings. There are ~10 and are all in the hands of a few collectors (and Robert Weiner). The odds are 0%.
All of the full page remarques were culled.

[Robert Fulman]

Just to clarify, the point of my last two posts is that I agree with you. If the remarques actually exist in the wild, then at least one of them would have been found at some point in the last three years, even if as few as 100 books were ever cracked. I guess the question boils down to, "Why did Grant use the remarques as a marketing gimmick if they knew that no one would ever get any of them?"

[Randall Flagg]

I guess the question boils down to, "Why did Grant use the remarques as a marketing gimmick if they knew that no one would ever get any of them?"

Because it worked.

[Ari_Racing]

Maybe I'm more naive, but I don't think they did that. I do think that some copies could have been sold to collectors prior its publication, but all of them...mmm. Sorry, I don't think so. Grant always sells out all their books and editions. They don't need to gain more sales with something that is not real.

Just my opinion.

[Cloysterpete]

Your math is probably correct. I just don't believe that the 30 to 50 drawings (or however many Whelan did) are/were randomly distributed. I think they are now all safely in the hands of people who had access to the books prior to their being sold to the public. I have no proof of that....just a very strong opinion/hunch.

I've always thought the same, only logical thing to believe when none show up and lets be honest with a 'chance' of a Whelan Remarque your not gonna leave your book shrinkwrapped, if you found one you'd be crowing about it in here then it would be straight in eBay.

I got sucked straight in by the Grant spiel about how much a full size remarque would be worth, now I probably wouldn't have got one anyway but I still feel conned so I've never bought any Grant books since then.

[ur2ndbiggestfan]

Uhm, er...mine's still shrinkwrapped. (Dodges thrown rubber brick)

[tippy4]

I guess the question boils down to, "Why did Grant use the remarques as a marketing gimmick if they knew that no one would ever get any of them?"

Because it worked.

I don't know that it worked...how long did it take to sell out?

[Brice]

Uhm, er...mine's still shrinkwrapped. (Dodges thrown rubber brick)

Check again!

[Randall Flagg]

I guess the question boils down to, "Why did Grant use the remarques as a marketing gimmick if they knew that no one would ever get any of them?"

Because it worked.

I don't know that it worked...how long did it take to sell out?

Based upon a 2009 publication date..~3 years. We'll never know if the hype made it sell quicker (in total), sold more initially (the sales in the first 100 days), or resulted in the 4,000 copies being sold out in ~3 years-sooner than expected.
The undisputed fact is that what few full page art editions that were "found" sold for quite a bit of money ~>$1K each.

[tippy4]

I like how you say "found".

Lol.

[George at C-Springs]

The advertising of the possibility to find a remarque did make a difference to me in buying one. If Grant knew beforehand that no remarques were actually going to be made available to the buying public, yet it was advertised that they were, there's no two ways around it ... it was flat out a lie and false advertising. And if that lie persisted for some time after publication (which it did, because I bought my copy in 2010 I think, partially based on teh remarque advertising), it's even worse. It could be more than just a black eye for Grant ... it could be a lawsuit, depending on who knew what and when. There sure seems to be enough evidence to support a case (armchair lawyer point of view).

[killbourne]

The advertising of the possibility to find a remarque did make a difference to me in buying one. If Grant knew beforehand that no remarques were actually going to be made available to the buying public, yet it was advertised that they were, there's no two ways around it ... it was flat out a lie and false advertising. And if that lie persisted for some time after publication (which it did, because I bought my copy in 2010 I think, partially based on teh remarque advertising), it's even worse. It could be more than just a black eye for Grant ... it could be a lawsuit, depending on who knew what and when. There sure seems to be enough evidence to support a case (armchair lawyer point of view).

Sneaky things are always going bump.

[Nerak]

The odds are VERY against you finding one with a remark.....

[Tito_Villa]

Care to tell more?

[bdwyer19]

Were there not as many remarqued copies as originally advertised?? What's the story??? Don't leave us hanging like that Karen!!

[Roseannebarr]

The odds are VERY against you finding one with a remark.....

the only reason i opened mine was becuz no one else had a remark. wouldnt whelan tell us if he did them?

[Randall Flagg]

Whelan definitely remarqued numerous copies; all of which were received by Grant books...

[jemaher]

none of the 20+ copies I had were remarqued

[Ben Staad]

Whelan definitely remarqued numerous copies; all of which were received by Grant books...

none of the 20+ copies I had were remarqued

So is there a stockpile of these books somewhere?

[oy-the-brave]

The odds are VERY against you finding one with a remark.....

Thanks for confirming what almost everyone already figured out, at least now we know for sure

[Roseannebarr]

The odds are VERY against you finding one with a remark.....

Thanks for confirming what almost everyone already figured out, at least now we know for sure

I tried to ask Grant the question, but i dont think they get the question. should i be more direct?

Hi,

We have been sold out of Little Sisters of Eluria for some time.

Sorry.

take care,
Robert

Robert K. Wiener
President
Donald M. Grant Publisher, Inc.
P. O. Box 187
Hampton Falls, NH 03844
603-778-7191

My question to Grant Books:

>Is this still a good email for Grant Books?
>
>On a Stephen King Fan website - The Dark Tower.org
>
>It is heavily implied that the signed artist editions of Little Sisters
>of Eluria with the remarks from the artist were never
>shipped to customers. If this is so, and you have a copy
>available, I would love to buy one. If not, and you want to
>refute the claim - you might want to go to the website!