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    Yes, I think King was playing with it a bit.... hinting at the long-term deeper meaning and teasing with the more immediate physical one.
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    Anyway I love this thread. It's damn interesting how many interpretations we have about such a simple sentence.

    Roland would have understood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jon View Post
    I didn't take as a "make love to me" line. I found it to be very romanic, sweet and a bit profound... kinda like buddhism. "If you are sweeping, then sweep" ie... don't think of the future, the here and now is sweeping this floor.

    "If you love me, then love me" ie... Don't worry about the future or any pain this relationship may bring at it's termination. Just love me and let the future take care of itself.


    And for the record... in my opinion, this is the worst book in the series.
    Respectfully...Buddhism? Does anyone one else think she didn't mean if you emotionally love me, then physically make love to me? <...>

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    I do, and, much as I dislike that sentence on the grounds I tried to describe above, I am with Jon on its interpretation (even though I wouldn't put it in any Buddhist terms).

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    I actually think its an invitation to the present myself as well.
    It is more than monumental when the one you love is "with"
    you wholeheartedly. I wish I had such attention in my lovelife.
    I could say these words to my Randall, but they would be brushed
    aside for other things in his life....his Tower perhaps?

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    I saw this message on a bandstand in high school and it really touched me:

    on one side:

    "IF YOU'RE READING THIS I LOVE YOU"

    and the other:

    "IF YOU LOVE ME PLEASE TELL ME BECAUSE I LOVE YOU"

    Awwwwwwwwwwwwww high school love....

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    unreqited love is the story of my life.
    Morning my dear L7 I LOVE YOU!

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    I requite your love!!!!!! :smoochies:

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    It's one of my favourite quotes of all time. Simplicity is beautiful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AcidBumbler View Post
    Simplicity is beautiful.
    So true. I absolutely agree. The most beautiful things are always simple.

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    I kind of always hated this line since I find it really cheesy, but I understand why Susan would say something like that. That kind of stuff sounds deep and powerful when you're young and in love.

    I guess.

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    "If you love me, then love me"

    I didn't find it cheesy because the whole time before it was said they were playing with the idea of not seeing each other at all. Then whenever the love (or whatever you think it was, I call it love) took her over she said "If you love me, then love me" as permission to him to do as they both wanted to. No matter the consequences I guess.

    Now her screaming "ROLAND I LOVE THEEEEEEE" I did find just a little to cheesy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AIMB View Post
    "If you love me, then love me"

    I didn't find it cheesy because the whole time before it was said they were playing with the idea of not seeing each other at all. Then whenever the love (or whatever you think it was, I call it love) took her over she said "If you love me, then love me" as permission to him to do as they both wanted to. No matter the consequences I guess.

    Now her screaming "ROLAND I LOVE THEEEEEEE" I did find just a little to cheesy.
    I can understand it. For my part I was crying so hard at this part that nothing would have seemed cheesy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AIMB View Post
    "If you love me, then love me"

    I didn't find it cheesy because the whole time before it was said they were playing with the idea of not seeing each other at all. Then whenever the love (or whatever you think it was, I call it love) took her over she said "If you love me, then love me" as permission to him to do as they both wanted to. No matter the consequences I guess.

    Now her screaming "ROLAND I LOVE THEEEEEEE" I did find just a little to cheesy.
    My feelings are exactly opposite. I found the "If you love me..." line to be as edited, proofed, approved, rehearsed as a tired old comedy routine. Shouting "Roland, I love thee", on the other hand, seemed more genuine, not unlike
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    Good observations Woofer. I found it all a bit cheesy, but I don't find it cheesy that King was enjoying a genre. We all know that romance isn't his first love when it comes to writing and the obvious cliches and tropes were not unexpected. It reminds me of Cormac McCarthy's No Country for Old Men. Its just your basic bad guys in the desert drug trafficking mystery. And its also unlike anything else he's written. Some of the passages, particularly when he's describing weapons, are so unMcCarthy, but its okay. You can tell he's having fun and enjoying the genre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obscurejude View Post
    Good observations Woofer. I found it all a bit cheesy, but I don't find it cheesy that King was enjoying a genre. We all know that romance isn't his first love when it comes to writing and the obvious cliches and tropes were not unexpected. It reminds me of Cormac McCarthy's No Country for Old Men. Its just your basic bad guys in the desert drug trafficking mystery. And its also unlike anything else he's written. Some of the passages, particularly when he's describing weapons, are so unMcCarthy, but its okay. You can tell he's having fun and enjoying the genre.
    Excellent point. And I think that the fact that various parts work for each of us, all for some of us, none for others, is not unlike any other piece of King fiction except that this part is a romance.
    It'll take a lot more than words and guns,
    A whole lot more than riches and muscle.

    The hands of the many must join as one.
    And together we'll cross the river.

    Puscifer, "The Humbling River"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Woofer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by obscurejude View Post
    Good observations Woofer. I found it all a bit cheesy, but I don't find it cheesy that King was enjoying a genre. We all know that romance isn't his first love when it comes to writing and the obvious cliches and tropes were not unexpected. It reminds me of Cormac McCarthy's No Country for Old Men. Its just your basic bad guys in the desert drug trafficking mystery. And its also unlike anything else he's written. Some of the passages, particularly when he's describing weapons, are so unMcCarthy, but its okay. You can tell he's having fun and enjoying the genre.
    Excellent point. And I think that the fact that various parts work for each of us, all for some of us, none for others, is not unlike any other piece of King fiction except that this part is a romance.
    Kudos for tying it up in a bow Woofer. One interesting thing just occurred to me though, many of the so called "horror" cliches we think of were pioneered by King...deadly viruses, haunted hotels, evil clowns etc... He really is an innovative author, so I wonder if he seems more "cheesy" attempting to do romance than he does with his other works. In other words, maybe the scrutiny isn't warranted per se, but inevitable because its such a far cry from the uniqueness of the majority of his other works. I expect passages of blandness and re hashing in a lot of what I read, but for some reason I don't approach King that way. I'm mostly just thinking out loud right now. None of what I'm trying to say is very definitive.

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    I have just read this line now. Its my second reading of W&G and it touched me more this time.

    I think it beautifully says two things at once, emotional and phyiscal love in the only way she could being innocent and all. I cant imagine anything better to replace it.

    That said, I think Roland's response of ''Aye lady, I will'', is pretty romantic too.

    Some of the bits about Roland and Susan are a bit cliche but I liked this bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sickrose View Post
    Some of the bits about Roland and Susan are a bit cliche but I liked this bit.
    Sometimes I wonder if it's possible to write about love without cliches.

    Roland would have understood.

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    I always took this line in the way Jon described...don't think about the future, focus only on our love.

    When I first read W&G I was in high school and the line didn't bother me. But in my most recent reading it drove me nuts. It seemed so contrived. And if it had only been said once it wouldn't matter, but its repetition and Roland remembering it....it got a little out of control. It was like SK thought he really had something with it and wanted to use it. Like when a high school writer re-reads a sentence they just wrote and thinks "now that's a good sentence" and proceeds to follow the pattern.

    Another phrase in the series that I think gets repeated because King thought it was a nice phrase is "go then, there are other worlds than these." But this one works for me. I think it carries some resonance.

    Maybe I'm just not into the sappy implications of "if you love me."
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    Surely it only gets used a couple of times Overhoser

    Letti - thats a good point. I guess when it comes to love surely every emotion has been experienced and written about for time out of mind.

    I also think the reader brings their own experiences to any literature (or art for that matter) they experience and I am only recently married which might be why I am leaning towards the interpretation as being highly romantic. I did shed a tear!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sickrose View Post
    Letti - thats a good point. I guess when it comes to love surely every emotion has been experienced and written about for time out of mind.
    I might be way too romantic but I do think that every love is special and unique. But writing about it... that's really hard. Our words are numbered. We cannot come up with new ones. If you write a long love story it's impossible to avoid every cliche.
    Sometimes cliches must be used.

    And the interpretations are so different.
    For me 'If you love me then love me' is very deep and special. For most of the people it's an empty or almost empty sentence.

    Not easy. Not easy at all.

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    Sickrose - You are correct, it is probably not used as often as I made it sound. I guess it just grated on me. My most recent reading was on audio book and as great a reader as Frank Muller was, his breathy exclamations didn't do it for me. He doesn't do the best demure country girl accent in the world.

    In my defense, it appears 6 times in the pages available for free on Google Books. 5 of those are in a period of about 200 pages which means I probably heard Frank proclaim it in my car once a day for 4 straight days. So please forgive me.

    On a side note, this thread is at the top of the list if you search for "if you love me then love me" on Google. Nice work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by overhoser View Post
    On a side note, this thread is at the top of the list if you search for "if you love me then love me" on Google. Nice work.
    Do you think many people search for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by overhoser View Post
    Sickrose - You are correct, it is probably not used as often as I made it sound. I guess it just grated on me. My most recent reading was on audio book and as great a reader as Frank Muller was, his breathy exclamations didn't do it for me. He doesn't do the best demure country girl accent in the world.

    In my defense, it appears 6 times in the pages available for free on Google Books. 5 of those are in a period of about 200 pages which means I probably heard Frank proclaim it in my car once a day for 4 straight days. So please forgive me.

    On a side note, this thread is at the top of the list if you search for "if you love me then love me" on Google. Nice work.
    Fair play i think for the susan I head in my head when I read it sounded right but I can imagine it might be different if someone is reading to you. I haven't listed to any of the audio books.

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    If you do get a chance to listen to the audio books, I recommend it. Frank Muller is great, except he only does 2-4. At the end of 5, Stephen King says Muller was seriously injured in a motorcycle accident and would not be able to continue reading. There is a foundation for him, but the recording is from 2001.

    Also, SK says in his message about Muller that listening to the books is the best way to enjoy them. You can't rush or skip, you have to take everything at a steady pace. I am enjoying them. 17 minutes at a time...
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