Cemetery Dance discussion thread

[Brian861]

A question for the CD folk about signature sheets. I assume (and correct me if i am wrong) that part of any contract with an author and any artists that are associated with a project is the timely submission or return of all the pieces and parts related to that project. That would include signature sheets. If this is indeed part of a contract, then why are there cases like Strange Weather where your production page states that one of the artists has had the sig sheets in their possessions for over a YEAR! I understand that life and work sometimes gets in the way, but what about responsibility and the honoring of written agreements? And if this is not the case, that this is not part of any standard contract, why isn’t it? Perhaps it is easier to just not rock the boat, but people like that are making you guys look bad.

Thanks!

I believe I made some of those same arguments over on the CD forum, Chris awhile back and the answer was in a nutshell, don't ruffle the "creative's" feathers or they'll refuse to work with you again. I hadn't read the sig sheets had been in someone's hands for over a year. That's ridiculous.

Jeff makes some exactly points as I'm sure there are plenty of talented, starving artist out there who could get the work done in a timely matter. I'm sure there are probably a ton of other reasons it's been delayed so long that CD can't or won't discuss openly.

[Randall Flagg]

Structure the pay for artists such that 50% of the total pay is dispensed upon receipt of the signature sheets.

[St. Troy]

Apathy is a hell of a lever.

What's crazy to me is that it's just SO easy! Like no thought required.

Bingo. They just...don't...care.

[St. Troy]

Structure the pay for artists such that 50% of the total pay is dispensed upon receipt of the signature sheets.

This is a kickass idea.

[Cwalker]

A question for the CD folk about signature sheets. I assume (and correct me if i am wrong) that part of any contract with an author and any artists that are associated with a project is the timely submission or return of all the pieces and parts related to that project. That would include signature sheets. If this is indeed part of a contract, then why are there cases like Strange Weather where your production page states that one of the artists has had the sig sheets in their possessions for over a YEAR! I understand that life and work sometimes gets in the way, but what about responsibility and the honoring of written agreements? And if this is not the case, that this is not part of any standard contract, why isn’t it? Perhaps it is easier to just not rock the boat, but people like that are making you guys look bad.

Thanks!

I believe I made some of those same arguments over on the CD forum, Chris awhile back and the answer was in a nutshell, don't ruffle the "creative's" feathers or they'll refuse to work with you again. I hadn't read the sig sheets had been in someone's hands for over a year. That's ridiculous.

Jeff makes some exactly points as I'm sure there are plenty of talented, starving artist out there who could get the work done in a timely matter. I'm sure there are probably a ton of other reasons it's been delayed so long that CD can't or won't discuss openly.

I was thinking the “artistic temperament” may be a big factor in this, but at some point you need to either shit or get off the pot. Looking at the list of artists working on Strange Weather i think we can safely remove Gabe Rodriguez and CPW III from the list of delays. They have both worked with Joe on many, many projects and seemingly have too much respect for each other to pull this kind of move. The others? Never heard of them. Now, that doesn’t really mean much, but they aren’t names i know.

We don’t need to blacklist anyone, just don’t hire them again. At some point they may get the hint.

If this were entirely a CD thing, we would be screaming about their irresponsibility and lack of concern for the customer or whatever. I am not pointing any fingers at CD (except to think that maybe someone could get a little “ultimatum-ly” about this). I would just like these temperamental creative types (authors included) to show some respect for us as well. Don’t commit to something you can’t complete.

[goathunter]

Artists need to line up new work. If it's known that the artist is difficult and unprofessional then work dries up. Small press publishing is not a huge pond and if CD talks to PS and talks to Suntup and so on and that artist will find work is tougher to come by. Not saying that it's a thing to use lightly, but letting the world know that hundreds of people are waiting on one artist is a course of action. And of course, the idea that there's a bridge burned with that particular publisher. As well as possible legal action. None of these are preferable to a little patience, but there has to be a time when the patience runs out.

Sure. That would work for the next project(s). It doesn't help with the currently-stalled sheets. Not quickly, anyway. If they cared about a threat of "we won't work with you," they'd care about honoring their previous commitment(s) so that doesn't happen.

And legal action costs $$$ and still doesn't guarantee cooperation.

[Joe315]

Yes... #1. I have a couple letter A's and that doesn't do anything for me. #1 I think would.... only cause it is cool. And I wouldn't pay much more after market for one..

A lower number could be important if you are trying to complete a set when the latter books in the series have increased limitations, like the dark tower.

[St. Troy]

I can’t help but think CD’s position, every time, is similar to a guy with his first really attractive girlfriend: he tires of the nonsense and agrees with his friends when they criticize, but above all he doesn’t want her to leave (hot doesn’t grow on trees).

[GenericEric]

I'm new to collecting King so any input would be welcomed.

Someone has offered to sell me the S/L of Full Dark, No Stars for $575. Is that a fair price? I've looked around a little bit and it seems like it's more than fair. Thoughts?

[Randall Flagg]

Seems about right. Better deals can be had, but it may take some time. If someone jumps in and offers you one for $500, jump!

[Frondz]

I'm new to collecting King so any input would be welcomed.

Someone has offered to sell me the S/L of Full Dark, No Stars for $575. Is that a fair price? I've looked around a little bit and it seems like it's more than fair. Thoughts?

Not a bad price, but someone here has one for $525. Why not save $50 and shop local?

https://www.thedarktower.org/palaver...ds#post1203436

[GenericEric]

I'm new to collecting King so any input would be welcomed.

Someone has offered to sell me the S/L of Full Dark, No Stars for $575. Is that a fair price? I've looked around a little bit and it seems like it's more than fair. Thoughts?

Not a bad price, but someone here has one for $525. Why not save $50 and shop local?

https://www.thedarktower.org/palaver...ds#post1203436

Oh wow...I must have missed that when I was in that thread. Probably not going to find a better deal than that anytime soon. Thanks for the heads up.

[Frondz]

I'm new to collecting King so any input would be welcomed.

Someone has offered to sell me the S/L of Full Dark, No Stars for $575. Is that a fair price? I've looked around a little bit and it seems like it's more than fair. Thoughts?

Not a bad price, but someone here has one for $525. Why not save $50 and shop local?

https://www.thedarktower.org/palaver...ds#post1203436

Oh wow...I must have missed that when I was in that thread. Probably not going to find a better deal than that anytime soon. Thanks for the heads up.

Happy to help facilitate!

[GenericEric]

Was able to get it from Steve for 500 and yes, RF I did jump at that price.

This is actually my first ever signed King book. Couldn't be happier.

[jeffingoff]

Was able to get it from Steve for 500 and yes, RF I did jump at that price.

This is actually my first ever signed King book. Couldn't be happier.

Well congrats! That’s awesome.


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[Ben Eads]

I love to see collectors helping collectors. The folks here have always helped me out and I'm happy to help them out. =) Some light during these dark times.

[ICry4Oy]

Now that Night Shift is finally starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel, I have to ask has there been any forward movement on The Stand?

[St. Troy]

Now that Night Shift is finally starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel, I have to ask has there been any forward movement on The Stand?

I forget the details, but I believe, since Night Shift has been backed up, progress has been made on The Stand, but with less discussion since it's not the next one up. I know some of Dameron's illustrations have been out there for a while.

Also, ICry4Oy, I don't know why your signature is "Messin' with Sasquatch," but if you like those commercials...you are not alone.

[St. Troy]

Here's some CD The Stand info:

An image from 1/11/20: https://www.thedarktower.org/palaver...=1#post1179587

Some Dameron images: https://www.thedarktower.org/palaver...=1#post1121426

[Beverly Marsh]

Case in point to things getting signed/drawn. Tabitha King. I just double checked the production update for Caretakers and it hasn't changed from "author having time to sign" This November will be three years since that order was placed but who's going to take the chance of pissing her off? I'm sure that's a line no one wants to cross and understandably so but three years?

Side note: I hope once Night Shift is rolling out the door the remarques roll pretty quickly too. Excited to see what I get!
Also, does anyone think Ned will remarque The Stand?

[DanHocker]

Pretty much everything's been said about the sig sheets, but usually the complications come with people that we haven't worked with before. Often times it's a one off thing. It sucks, but there's really not much we can do about it when it happens.

[DanHocker]

Side note: I hope once Night Shift is rolling out the door the remarques roll pretty quickly too. Excited to see what I get!
Also, does anyone think Ned will remarque The Stand?

Per usual with the Double Day stuff the remarques will ship as soon as we're done the non remarqued books. We'll have them in hand at the same time, we just won't ship them at the same time as we don't want to risk mixing them up with the regular books.

[Ari_Racing]

[St. Troy]

Can't wait...

[Brian James Freeman]

Geez! My notifications stop working and I miss all the conversation!

Now that Night Shift is finally starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel, I have to ask has there been any forward movement on The Stand?

All of the artwork is done, and all of the signature sheets are signed.

Proofreading has proven to be a slog because the digital file we received was full of scanning errors, which we didn't realize until after design was completed. (We don't copyedit files that come from the trade publisher, they're usually in good shape. We still proofread our designed pages, though!) This is going to take all of our proofreaders given the SIZE of the book, but we're making progress.

I can't give a date because all of that is out of my control, but I can assure everyone that we haven't been waiting on Night Shift to be done to start on The Stand.

Best,
Brian