Let's talk about him a little bit more.
Do you like him?
Is he a child or an adult in your eyes?
If you ask me I see him as a very brave child with a gunslinger heart and abilities but he is still a kid in my eyes.
He is a child.
He is an adult.
He is somewhere between.
Jake
Let's talk about him a little bit more.
Do you like him?
Is he a child or an adult in your eyes?
If you ask me I see him as a very brave child with a gunslinger heart and abilities but he is still a kid in my eyes.
Roland would have understood.
Towards the end, I saw him as grown up. In my opinion, the depth of someones maturity is based almost entirely on experience.
I would want the guy backing me up for any fight I was in and I would never feel that way about a child.
The kindness of close friends is like a warm blanket
I see Jake as being some of both. You could make arguments for him being either that would sound logical, so I voted for the both option. Yes, by the end of the story, he has grown in maturity by leaps and bounds (in fact he's more mature than some people I know around my age in some ways
At the same time, he also still retains a lot of what makes a kid, a kid. In the heat of the battle he clearly displays the heart of a true Gunslinger, but during the downtime, when he is not performing any of his duty of being a Gunslinger, he can just transform into a kid again. Laughing at silly jokes with Eddie, having the thoughts that someone of his age would be having, and seeing his experiences, and the world, through the eyes of someone his age. He manages to hold onto his youthful emotions, even while being able to have a backbone of steel when need be, but he also still retains the emotions of someone his age, he is just able to store those away when performing his duties as a Gunslinger, but then he is able to revert back to some sort of a normal boy when his duties have been completed. One thing from book 7 that exemplifies this, which I will mark with a spoiler tag is.Spoiler:
Somewhere in between. As Matt mentioned, Jake would certainly make a good back up...Hell, Id be the back up LOL!
XIX
"See the TURTLE of enormous girth,
On his shell he holds the earth.
If you want to run and play,
Come along the BEAM today."
NFA JJG 42-95
I voted child, as Nikolett did. Kids are all different, you know. If you look at military history, you'll see a lot of kids behaving like little adults, fighting and dying and doing all that adult stuff; and still remaining children, which could be seen at the moments of peace, or when those who survived were placed back into normal environment. They never were "like any other kids", but then again, what kid is?
Ask not what bears can do for you, but what you can do for bears. (razz)
When one is in agreement with bears one is always correct. (mae)
bears are back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The way he loves Oy.. the way the can open his heart to a little animal.. and the way he can forgive things..
He is too clean to be an adult.
Does it make any sense?
Roland would have understood.
I voted adult, I think he shows responsibility for himself and others, and that is my idea of what it means to be an adult...and Iabsolutely agree I'd have his back-up anyday!!
The answer is within
all matter is energy, all energy is GOD
We are alone, my friend.Originally Posted by Jean
Roland would have understood.
1. I don't think loving Oy or opening his heart has anything to do with him being a child.
2. Generally speaking, I don't believe in children's purity. I am inclined to differ purity as virtue from innocence caused by ignorance (which we too often mistake for purity in children).
Ask not what bears can do for you, but what you can do for bears. (razz)
When one is in agreement with bears one is always correct. (mae)
bears are back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1. As I wrote it the way he loved him... not the fact but the way.1. I don't think loving Oy or opening his heart has anything to do with him being a child.
2. Generally speaking, I don't believe in children's purity. I am inclined to differ purity as virtue from innocence caused by ignorance (which we too often mistake for purity in children).
2. I can see your point Jean but I don't agree. I suffered so much as a child from other children.. they hurt me every single day and when I went to sleep and when nobody saw me I cried for hours.
Of course it doesn't mean I didn't cry in fron of them. I did. So if someone I know how evil children can be believe me Jean.
But I am over it and I see children.
They can be nasty they can be evil.. but still I say there is something so innocent and good in all of them... the oh so clear desire to be loved and accepted.
Time and this world can kill it out.
Roland would have understood.
1. As I wrote it the way he loved him... not the fact but the way.1. I don't think loving Oy or opening his heart has anything to do with him being a child.
2. Generally speaking, I don't believe in children's purity. I am inclined to differ purity as virtue from innocence caused by ignorance (which we too often mistake for purity in children).
2. I can see your point Jean but I don't agree. I suffered so much as a child from other children.. they hurt me every single day and when I went to sleep and when nobody saw me I cried for hours.
Of course it doesn't mean I didn't cry in fron of them. I did. So if someone I know how evil children can be believe me Jean.
But I am over it and I see children.
They can be nasty they can be evil.. but still I say there is something so innocent and good in all of them... the oh so clear desire to be loved and accepted.
Time and this world can kill it out.
No, it can't.
I voted child too. The mere fact that circumstance forced him to behave in mature ways sometimes doesn't negate him being a child nor is it even related to the matter.
I hope you don't think that you could convince me.1. As I wrote it the way he loved him... not the fact but the way.1. I don't think loving Oy or opening his heart has anything to do with him being a child.
2. Generally speaking, I don't believe in children's purity. I am inclined to differ purity as virtue from innocence caused by ignorance (which we too often mistake for purity in children).
2. I can see your point Jean but I don't agree. I suffered so much as a child from other children.. they hurt me every single day and when I went to sleep and when nobody saw me I cried for hours.
Of course it doesn't mean I didn't cry in fron of them. I did. So if someone I know how evil children can be believe me Jean.
But I am over it and I see children.
They can be nasty they can be evil.. but still I say there is something so innocent and good in all of them... the oh so clear desire to be loved and accepted.
Time and this world can kill it out.
No, it can't.
Roland would have understood.
I voted child. I guess one could argue that he "won a test of manhood" after the fight with the Wolves (or in the Dixie Pig) but his manliness would only be in two of the seven books so for me, Jake is a child.
I hope you don't think that you could convince me.1. As I wrote it the way he loved him... not the fact but the way.1. I don't think loving Oy or opening his heart has anything to do with him being a child.
2. Generally speaking, I don't believe in children's purity. I am inclined to differ purity as virtue from innocence caused by ignorance (which we too often mistake for purity in children).
2. I can see your point Jean but I don't agree. I suffered so much as a child from other children.. they hurt me every single day and when I went to sleep and when nobody saw me I cried for hours.
Of course it doesn't mean I didn't cry in fron of them. I did. So if someone I know how evil children can be believe me Jean.
But I am over it and I see children.
They can be nasty they can be evil.. but still I say there is something so innocent and good in all of them... the oh so clear desire to be loved and accepted.
Time and this world can kill it out.
No, it can't.
...and why would you hope that dear?
You might try to convince me and let me know some more details about your view. *hopes*I hope you don't think that you could convince me.1. As I wrote it the way he loved him... not the fact but the way.1. I don't think loving Oy or opening his heart has anything to do with him being a child.
2. Generally speaking, I don't believe in children's purity. I am inclined to differ purity as virtue from innocence caused by ignorance (which we too often mistake for purity in children).
2. I can see your point Jean but I don't agree. I suffered so much as a child from other children.. they hurt me every single day and when I went to sleep and when nobody saw me I cried for hours.
Of course it doesn't mean I didn't cry in fron of them. I did. So if someone I know how evil children can be believe me Jean.
But I am over it and I see children.
They can be nasty they can be evil.. but still I say there is something so innocent and good in all of them... the oh so clear desire to be loved and accepted.
Time and this world can kill it out.
No, it can't.
...and why would you hope that dear?
Roland would have understood.
Hmm..I don't know that I can convince you...you suggested that time and the world can kill that childlike desire to be loved and accepted. I maintain that it can't ...maybe it sleeps but it's still there IMO.You might try to convince me and let me know some more details about your view. *hopes*I hope you don't think that you could convince me.1. As I wrote it the way he loved him... not the fact but the way.1. I don't think loving Oy or opening his heart has anything to do with him being a child.
2. Generally speaking, I don't believe in children's purity. I am inclined to differ purity as virtue from innocence caused by ignorance (which we too often mistake for purity in children).
2. I can see your point Jean but I don't agree. I suffered so much as a child from other children.. they hurt me every single day and when I went to sleep and when nobody saw me I cried for hours.
Of course it doesn't mean I didn't cry in fron of them. I did. So if someone I know how evil children can be believe me Jean.
But I am over it and I see children.
They can be nasty they can be evil.. but still I say there is something so innocent and good in all of them... the oh so clear desire to be loved and accepted.
Time and this world can kill it out.
No, it can't.
...and why would you hope that dear?
More so than Eddie and Susannah, I saw Jake as a natural born gunslinger. He had things about him which made him both childlike and adultlike, in my opinion.
A true firewasp ninja would never wear such a ridiculous sweater.
There's logic in nonsense.
Give me all the bacon and eggs you have.
Brice, now I see your point. The question is if someonething is so damn deep in a human soul that noone is able to dig it out... can we count with it?
Roland would have understood.
...and the answer is that I don't think that anything is buried so deep in anyone that it can't be dug up pretty easy. Ya' just gotta' dig in the right places.
And that's why I love you so much. Even if we don't exactly agree about this question. However I wish I could....and the answer is that I don't think that anything is buried so deep in anyone that it can't be dug up pretty easy. Ya' just gotta' dig in the right places.
Roland would have understood.
He's an adult..
Responsibility, experience, seen more than enough to be considered an adult. Maturity comes not with age but with wisdom and experience. So in my book he's an adult.
"Go then there are other worlds than these..."
And that's why I love you so much. Even if we don't exactly agree about this question. However I wish I could....and the answer is that I don't think that anything is buried so deep in anyone that it can't be dug up pretty easy. Ya' just gotta' dig in the right places.
A child.
He still has those childhood fears (the mindtrap being a prime example) also what Vols said in the spoiler tags. Yet, much more than just this.
I'm not sure I could pinpoint the exact moment in a persons life when they become an adult (I'm sure it would differ too) - but its not solely age OR experience - more a combination of the two. Even though I would very sincerely respect Jake and the experiences he has had, he'd still be a child to me.
Bump.
Seriously, no-one wants to discuss Jake?
Me! Me! Me!Bump.
Seriously, no-one wants to discuss Jake?
But... I have been always around.
Roland would have understood.
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