I read the book. I don't think Gacy ever frequented sewers and storm drains.
I read the book. I don't think Gacy ever frequented sewers and storm drains.
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I think you're missing my point.
Mark Twain once pointed out that God hand-picked Noah as the only man on Earth worthy to survive and lead civilization forward... and about as soon as they were all off of the boat, his sons found him completely drunk.
I guess we can't assume too much pre-destiny... unless we agree that God is cruel.
UM....I'm pretty sure how that story goes is that Noah's daughters got Noah drunk so they could ummmm procreate.Originally Posted by pathoftheturtle
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WHAT daughters? Noah had three sons and they each had wives.UM....I'm pretty sure how that story goes is that Noah's daughters got Noah drunk so they could ummmm procreate.
I think you're thinking of Lot, not Noah....
Ahh. That's right, been awhile since I read the Bible. Thanks for getting it right.
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You're welcome.And hey, you remembered the story of Lot, not everyone does, you just got it mixed up with Noah.
Here are my thoughts on Stan. I think we would all do well to remember that SK is heavily influenced by H.P Lovecraft, and this story is one that just smacks of Lovecraft and the mythos universe.
Think about it, a creature from "beyond" the stars, it feeds off and incites human emotions, lights that are not lights that drive one mad, and the final battle that happens in the psychic realm. That is pretty Cthulhu Mythos as it gets. Now I am not saying that IT was a great Old One, although those ideas are interesting. I am simply drawing a parallel. It is a very common element in Lovecraft stories for one or more characters to completely lose it, even after they have won the day, I think particularly of ATMOM, Whisperer in the Dark, and Colour Out of Space; all of the characters are deeply disturbed, phobic, if not totally mad by the end of the story.
Stan was able to face the madness of it all, and successfully repressed it just like the others, but the madness of the clown tipped him over the edge when IT came back.
In terms of the universe selecting anybody to do the job, why not pick someone more stable? Remember, that Roland and the gang come close to the brink of madness many times, it seems to me that it is the tool of the Crimson against the White (we see mental attacks in the Stand, Insomnia and Dreamcatcher as well). Stan succumbed that's all, not all Ka-tets live to the end, Roland's father and his ka-tet were hand chosen by the universe as well to fight against Martin, and they didn't do so hot.
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BC: C'mon, now; it's me.Maybe, just maybe, in the grand scheme of things, if someone else had been in Stan's place then somehow they wouldn't have won in the end. Or it would have meant a change in something else affecting some other crisis some years further down the road. Who knows?
All this talk about IT has sparked my interest once again.I have decided that when the cold weather comes i'm going to take a trip back to Derry and pay a visit to Pennywise and the Losers Club.I think that reading TDT and ten years of life experience will gain me a new perspective on alot of details in the story.So..whos with me?After a fresh read we can really discect one of the greatest stories ever written?
Here's an idea I have been toying with...Did Beverly Marsh have potential to become a gunslinger?.I say yes and I have some theories to back it up that come from my memories of the book.Thoughts anyone?
I agree, I think we forget that sometimes destiny requires a death, we don't like that idea, but it is those moment when what we think should happen and then doesn,t that the sense of the horrific solidifies, that fact that we care so much about Stan's death just points to how good a writer SK is.BC: C'mon, now; it's me.Maybe, just maybe, in the grand scheme of things, if someone else had been in Stan's place then somehow they wouldn't have won in the end. Or it would have meant a change in something else affecting some other crisis some years further down the road. Who knows?
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I am listening to the new audiobook of IT right now and I forgot how scary it is. I think it is the only book that can still give me nightmares. It is so strange, I haven't read this book since I was 15. It's almost like I have never read it because my perceptions are so different than they were 10 years ago. At 15 I didn't even bat an eye at THE Sex Scene. It doesn't bother me now, but I did have to morally ask myself if I was okay with it and convince myself that I was. That is just a major example though. I just think it's cool how much better I "get" the adults in the book and understand their thoughts and motivations.
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Stephen Weber does a great job with that narration.
Yeah my only complaint is that it is a little choppy, like you can tell when he left to go a drink and come back.
That is one of the great, and somewhat unique, aspects of this novel. That we can read it as children and see it from that perspective, and then again as adults from a totally different viewpoint.
It is amazing to me how differently some things affect me as an adult. For instance, on a recent reread of Pet Sematry, I identified with Louis's pain and grief on a much more personal level. I recently had twin baby girls, and the "kite flying scene" had a much more profound impact on me than when I read it as a child.
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I know exactly what you mean. I have a toddler so I literally get a sick feeling every time I look at that book on the shelf. Maybe I should put it away ha ha.That is one of the great, and somewhat unique, aspects of this novel. That we can read it as children and see it from that perspective, and then again as adults from a totally different viewpoint.
It is amazing to me how differently some things affect me as an adult. For instance, on a recent reread of Pet Sematry, I identified with Louis's pain and grief on a much more personal level. I recently had twin baby girls, and the "kite flying scene" had a much more profound impact on me than when I read it as a child.
My two youngest are right around the Losers' ages. I can't imagine the older one doing anything remotely related to any of the adventures in the book. However, I look at the younger and think "If only she'd been there, IT would have been totally and utterly destroyed".
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You've heard stories through the years Brice. There'd be no surrender. Emmy would kill It.
People love frozen yogurt. I don't know what to tell you.
I don't really want to dissect It exactly, and I won't have time soon to re-read the novel complete (not that I should need to, having already read it many times) but more power to you just the same. Most certainly I'd like to hear how you might justify that theory.
So anyone know how accurate it is that Eddie would have an inhaler that was really nothing more than water? Why would they have those?
I don't really want to dissect It exactly, and I won't have time soon to re-read the novel complete (not that I should need to, having already read it many times) but more power to you just the same. Most certainly I'd like to hear how you might justify that theory.
I should imagine that it has something to do with Beverly's prowess with a slingshot.
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Although placebos are commonly prescribed, and used, this type of placebo would be very uncommon anymore. However, in the early days of pharmacy, when this type of medication was compounded by the pharmacist, it might of been more commonplace.
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Okay IT weeping would beg to surrender before Emmy killed it.
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