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  • 4 - satisfied, but have some minor problems with the ending

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  • 3 - satisfied, but have some major problems with the ending

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    I'm torn about the ending. My heart literally ached for Roland when I realized he had to do everything over again. But, the fact that he had already done so X number of times explains so much about his personality. On the other hand, I felt like everything was a big cheat. Baradin summed it up pretty well for me. The ending was rushed and contrived in many places.
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    "It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.

    "When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah

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    I loved the ending. It makes perfect sense if you believe Ka is a wheel.



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    Baradin - I agree entirely about Flagg and the Crimson King! Flagg moreso because as fans we've been so involved with him in so many stories, it was just too sudden and too simplistic and not righteous enough...thus proving I wouldn't have been satisfied with anything

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    i think the ending was perfect, i loved it. i can't imagine how there could be a more satisfying conclusion to the series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkthoughts View Post
    Baradin - I agree entirely about Flagg and the Crimson King! Flagg moreso because as fans we've been so involved with him in so many stories, it was just too sudden and too simplistic and not righteous enough...thus proving I wouldn't have been satisfied with anything
    You know you may be onto something there. (with Flagg at least). I have a vision of how *I* would have ended the DT series, but with Flagg, I don't think any ending really befitted a creature of his "Darth Vader" status, not even a conversion to Roland's side would have been appropriate IMO.
    "And within it, a stairway, perhaps rising to the Godhead itself. Would you dare climb to the top, gunslinger? Could it be that somewhere above all of endless reality, there exists a room?...

    You dare not."

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    You took the words out of my mouth, so i'll just nod enthusiastically in agreement ...Oops, spilled my beer...

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    I think if Roland would have drawn on him like Doc Holiday did Huckleberry at the end of Tombstone--I would have been satisfied.

    Just blew his fucking head off.
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    LOL, The ole Marty McFly Vs Bufford Tannen eh? Yeah I coulda grooved to that. At the very least it would have been the Biggest Baddest Badass Good guy taking down the Biggest Baddest Badass Badguy.
    "And within it, a stairway, perhaps rising to the Godhead itself. Would you dare climb to the top, gunslinger? Could it be that somewhere above all of endless reality, there exists a room?...

    You dare not."

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    I'm with everyone on the Roland-should-of-blasted-Flagg compaign. I felt it would of been divine justice for Roland to be the one to dispatch him after all the trouble he caused him.

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    I was satisfied with the ending. Like others have said, I have grown to appreciate it more as time has passed. I think the biggest problem I had when I first read the ending was simply that it had ended. All those years of waiting for the next book were finally coming to an end, 'twas sad. I also had an issue with Flagg's demise, I was looking forward to something much more than that, but I quickly got over it. I can appreciate the irony in it. I also thought that Eddie, Susie, and Jake's ending was served up with a side dish of cheese, but I was expecting something like that for them. I guess I was torn on that, I loved the characters, and wanted them to have a happy conclusion to their journey, but at the same time, I like it when there's not always a happy ending, even for characters I am rooting for. Overall, I'll just say that I was happy with the ending, but also say there were a few minor points that I had an issue with, and that those have faded as time has gone on. I have moved on. Roland would understand.

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    I am glad to see that Completely Satisfied is currently in the lead.
    Great series, great ending. I have no complaints.

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    I would have to agree with a lot of you guys....I was Ok with the ending but parts of how we got there really let me down...

    The whole bit with Randall Flagg. I had been reading about this character for about 16 or 17 years, under many guises, and he was one of, if not my favorite, character...can you say Richard Fannin. I always took him as "the ageless stranger", one of the guardians of the Tower that Roland would have to face if he made it to the top....and this timeless character gets his ticket from a spider boy just introduced a few hundred pages earlier!! The same character that Roland and Oy dispose of with such ease later down the line. When I read this, and I still remember where I was sitting, I was floored and unable to read the book for the rest of the day. To me this felt rushed, it felt as if King just came up with something, and took us away from where he had been leading us for many years.

    I have read a thread before that suggested that the ways we had seen Flagg in the past, meaning all the other books outside DT I-VII, was under the spell of his glamour, as he appeared in "fictional" books...meaning he made himself appear to be a badass when he really wasn't. However when we see him in DT VII we see him as he really is, which is just a pretty ordinary guy who used magic to make himself appear more intense than he actually was...kind of how the Wizard of Oz hides behind the curtain and appears more than he actually is.

    I thought this explanation was kind of cool, however it still did not take the edge off of my let down.
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    When people speak of "The ending" they usually mean the loop. I didn't have a problem with that. But other things I did. Suzannah's ending. Bleh. Of course I wasn't really fond of her so for her to be the only one to get a "happily ever after" ending didn't sit well. When she tossed the gun in the garbage I just about closed the book for good.

    The book could have been either shorter or better. Soooo much wasted time in 7. I didn't need the deer skinning lessons.

    The demise of the bad guys was a disappointment. In fact The Crimson King was a disappointment all around. Thank goodness he only started getting a mention in the later books. If I had been built up to that for 7 books, I really would have not been happy. And I hadn't read The Stand yet or Flagg's death would have ticked me off more.

    Overall the last two books had such a different feel about them. Something I can't quite place. Stuff was being brought into the story that was never mentioned before, or wasn't a big part. I dunno what it is exactly that bothers me about them. *shrug*
    Anyways, I'm going to spoilerize my whole post, even though I think anyone coming into a thread with this title has no reason to cry about the ending of the book being spoiled.

    Edit: I just noticed how funny my post looks with nothing but a floating frowning face.
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    I didn't hate it,and I am ok with it, but I didn't really like it either. I completely understand it, but I didn't really like it.


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    Pol, I totally get the 16 or 17 year investment. I'm at 20+.

    Of course, I totally understand King's obsession with his own mortality and the need to finish Roland's story. So maybe I'm a BIT more lenient in that regard. Hey, if I had gotten hit by a van and lived, I would have totally pulled a Jane Austen ending out of my ass in two seconds flat. It would not have taken me three books. So I give Sai King kudos for that, at least.
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    i thought it was perfect.

    but, then...i'm of the opinion that the browning poem is the true end of the story, and in that, he blows the horn and finally gets peace.

    who'm i, though?

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    ^Thats a good point, I like that.

    I'm like your personal theory groupie!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkthoughts View Post
    ^Thats a good point, I like that.

    I'm like your personal theory groupie!

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    Hahahah and I am *still* the only completely dis-satisfied!!
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    You dare not."

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    4 Satisfied, but with small reservations.

    Like King says at the end, do we really need to see what happens in the Tower? I thought no. The fact he got there was good enough for me, and it was the journey, not the climax that interested me. But then again I liked the ending of The Wastelands, too. *shrug*

    But if we were going to see the inside, it made as much sense as any. What else would there have been, a royal court and welcome, Gan, a cockpit of some sort that allows him to see all the dimensions, or his own death? So I had no problem with the outcome because it was probably better than the alternatives.

    Someone else mentioned, the killing of Mordred belittled Flagg’s death, and I agree. I had no problem with a child of Roland and The Crimson King killing Flagg, because at the point we were led to believe this thing was basically a deity of some kind, which would have meant he was way more powerful than Flagg. The problem was how easily pathetic Mordred was disposed of. This, in reflection, made it seem sad that Flagg couldn’t win against Mordred. I think the Mordred fight should have been tougher, and then it would have been a more plausible end for Flagg.

    Susannah? Yea I guess it was pretty cheesy. I never really though about it, though. I guess the reason would be because I didn’t have a problem with her ending.

    And finally I liked the battle with the Crimson King; I thought it had some good action. Also we gotta remember The Crimson King was a certified nutto at this point, so we never got to see The Crimson King in his prime. I guess the only disappointment is that he wasn’t fully killed off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gguthrie View Post
    I think the Mordred fight should have been tougher, and then it would have been a more plausible end for Flagg.
    But if we look at Flagg history and his character as described in all related books, we'll see that he never fights. He is just not a fighter. He is a plotter and schemer, but face to face with an enemy he either disappears in a cloud of smoke or else, if he doesn't have the time to, he is bound to lose.

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    I'll agree with Jean on this one. But yeah, as an (unpublished) writer, I'll say, yeah, at some point, you're like "would someone take this sucker out, already?"

    I totally understand why King thinks his characters are moving about on their own. They DO.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gguthrie View Post
    I think the Mordred fight should have been tougher, and then it would have been a more plausible end for Flagg.
    But if we look at Flagg history and his character as described in all related books, we'll see that he never fights. He is just not a fighter. He is a plotter and schemer, but face to face with an enemy he either disappears in a cloud of smoke or else, if he doesn't have the time to, he is bound to lose.
    Agree completely Jean. Flagg/Walter was a great character but I never, ever saw him as some uber-baddie that would be able to fight it out with Roland.

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    I thought the ending was great, he prepares you for something unexpected (if that makes sense) and then waps you with it.

    The RF death did frustrate me at the time, the villain of the Stand, Eyes of the Dragon, the entire DT series etc is so easily disposed of.

    But if you remember the hints at RF's position in the scheme of things - towards the end it was becoming tennuous at best. He was playing an incredibly dangerous game, with Roland and the CK, trying to manipulate the outcome. So what happens to RF is his sweet justice - he doesn't die in some spectacular showdown with Roland or his ka-tet and there's no more slinking off into the shadows at the end of this story. RF has meddled and interfered and brought down entire nations with his insidious scheming so the poetic justice of being defeated (humbled) by his own arrogance was shocking in its brevity at first but then is completely fitting.

    As for the CK, I dont know if he was ever fully realised by King to begin with, or maybe it was such that by the time they reached the tower, the CK and his heirarchy had eventually suffered as the world moved on.
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