5 - completely satisfied
4 - satisfied, but have some minor problems with the ending
3 - satisfied, but have some major problems with the ending
2 - not satisfied, although there are things I liked about the ending
1 - completely dissatisfied
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah
I would say the one we read about is the 19th, since it's everywhere. The upcoming one would be the 20th. This would also explain how he is so old, but thinks he is much younger...No, because remember : he will always get sent back to the time when he knows that his thoughtless quest would ultimately succeed, and never to the time when he can still change things.
As far as how many times Rolands' gone through the loop - what if the upcoming cycle is his 19th?
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There are other worlds than these...
very good. The same idea was offered by Taheen74, one of the greatest minds I know. I agreed with her then, and agree with you now.Originally Posted by zadok
Ask not what bears can do for you, but what you can do for bears. (razz)
When one is in agreement with bears one is always correct. (mae)
bears are back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“You’re the one who never changes. It’ll be your damnation, boy. You’ll wear out a hundred pairs of boots on your walk to hell.” –Cort
“Those who do not learn from the past are condemned to repeat it” –Vannay
Roland’s doomed to repeat his quest over and over until he learns that love (Susan), friends (Alain, Cuthbert, Eddie, Susannah) and family (Jake, his true son) are more important than revenge (Walter) and the Tower
There are other worlds than these...
So by that rationale, wouldn't that imply that Roland and whatever Ka-Tet he might have been in Dinh of at the time kept running into 1's and 2's their first and second time through the loop?
No, we all have our theories and I don't think it's within anybody's power to say that any other theory is 'right' or 'wrong'. (Except SK of course :p)
I was just asking that because some of the 19 plot points in the story have to do with author names (Claudia Y Inez Bachman). Putting your theory under the microscope for a second : Does that mean that the ka-tet ran into 19-like coincidences where authors only used one letter as a form of identification? (1st loop), or perhaps the first two letters of their first and last name (2nd loop)? Ya get me?
Ask not what bears can do for you, but what you can do for bears. (razz)
When one is in agreement with bears one is always correct. (mae)
bears are back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There are other worlds than these...
Well I still am undecided on this subject, one theory I am thinking is that King ended it with going back to the beginning as a lesson, because it wasnt about the destination, it was about the journey, and we read on at the end of VII because we thought the outcome was so important, so he has sent us back to the beginning to re live the journey. I dont know how the horn ties in with that though?
I know you won't believe me but today I have finished it. Incredible, isn't it?
I am absolutely satisfied and... it was such a beautiful book. I cried so damn often. Like a little girl. I finished it at 2 am and it was quite hard to fall asleep after that. I was dreaming with Roland and his ka-tet all night long.
I felt so sorry for Roland... because I think at the end he could stand and be true but it was late. The Tower was so close.
I am proud of Roland I am sure one day he will find his peace.
Roland would have understood.
I didn't feel sadnass emptiness - nothing negative.
I felt love. It was the strongest feeling.
I felt it so hard. I felt I loved Roland and his whole ka-tet and this story a lot.
Of course And I felt some sorry for him but it was good to know that he got another chance.
I felt calm.
Roland would have understood.
at last!!!
Ask not what bears can do for you, but what you can do for bears. (razz)
When one is in agreement with bears one is always correct. (mae)
bears are back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah
I am still not over the first time I read the ending. I don't think I ever will be.
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah
Thank you, AllHail.
For me it was easy to read (in fact it was hard to do anything else because I wanted to read it all day and night long) but hard to bear.
Roland would have understood.
Letti, did you then vote completely satisfied?
The answer is within
all matter is energy, all energy is GOD
I knew you would (did) I am so glad to hear
you finished the tale.How hard it must have been
( for some still is) all this time discussing ,
and reading about a book that you had'nt
finished yet. Its hard to imagine, but it is
better on the next read!! HOPE YOU ARE WELL
((hugs)) &
The answer is within
all matter is energy, all energy is GOD
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah
The only way for Roland to meet the man in black is to let Jake fall.
Or did you all forget that.
Plus Roland saves Jake mutiple times throughout the series.
Kind of works like REDEMPTION.