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    I am betting he won't revise them either.

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    I am hoping the same very much. I also want him to unrevise the revised.
    The Awesomest fled across the desert and The Awesomer followed.

    If you rescue me
    I’ll be your friend forever


    I wish that I could write fiction, but that seems almost an impossibility. -howard phillips lovecraft (1915)



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    Oh phooey! The revised is fine....I read it from your own post above!
    Even though I prefer it, I would agree with what you said about not touching the magic of the original.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brice View Post
    I am hoping the same very much. I also want him to unrevise the revised.

    Roland would have understood.

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    Of course you'd agree. It is the undebatable truth.


    ...and yes, it is fine. The original is great though.
    The Awesomest fled across the desert and The Awesomer followed.

    If you rescue me
    I’ll be your friend forever


    I wish that I could write fiction, but that seems almost an impossibility. -howard phillips lovecraft (1915)



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    Hmph! Purists! Let the man do what he wants with his own work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by John_and_Yoko View Post
    Hmph! Purists! Let the man do what he wants with his own work!
    And let us criticize him for it.
    Opinion in politics, and politics, is an evil which has caused many a fellow to be hung while he’s still young and pretty.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wildfire1290 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by John_and_Yoko View Post
    Hmph! Purists! Let the man do what he wants with his own work!
    And let us criticize him for it.
    It's your right, but wait until the foot's on the other shoe....

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    Quote Originally Posted by John_and_Yoko View Post
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    Hmph! Purists! Let the man do what he wants with his own work!
    And let us criticize him for it.
    It's your right, but wait until the foot's on the other shoe....
    Ha ha. I'll keep that in mind.
    Opinion in politics, and politics, is an evil which has caused many a fellow to be hung while he’s still young and pretty.


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    That's all I ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John_and_Yoko View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by wildfire1290 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by John_and_Yoko View Post
    Hmph! Purists! Let the man do what he wants with his own work!
    And let us criticize him for it.
    It's your right, but wait until the foot's on the other shoe....
    Don't you mean wait until the hand is on the other foot?
    It'll take a lot more than words and guns,
    A whole lot more than riches and muscle.

    The hands of the many must join as one.
    And together we'll cross the river.

    Puscifer, "The Humbling River"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Woofer View Post
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    Hmph! Purists! Let the man do what he wants with his own work!
    And let us criticize him for it.
    It's your right, but wait until the foot's on the other shoe....
    Don't you mean wait until the hand is on the other foot?
    I meant what I said and I said what I meant....

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    Quote Originally Posted by John_and_Yoko View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by wildfire1290 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by John_and_Yoko View Post
    Hmph! Purists! Let the man do what he wants with his own work!
    And let us criticize him for it.
    It's your right, but wait until the foot's on the other shoe....
    Don't you mean wait until the hand is on the other foot?
    I meant what I said and I said what I meant....
    Oh, right. That's what I meant.
    It'll take a lot more than words and guns,
    A whole lot more than riches and muscle.

    The hands of the many must join as one.
    And together we'll cross the river.

    Puscifer, "The Humbling River"


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    On a serious note, if you aren't willing to have your work criticized J and Y, it should never be submitted for publishing. Every writer comes to terms with that. Its how you get better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obscurejude View Post
    On a serious note, if you aren't willing to have your work criticized J and Y, it should never be submitted for publishing. Every writer comes to terms with that. Its how you get better.
    I know, and I am well aware of that.

    Truth be told, I have "purist" thoughts myself, although I wish I didn't--when I think about it objectively it's stupid. I mean, it's the artist's objective, and technically nothing is ever perfect or finished--you can only choose when to stop. So it's just "better" or "worse" (or neutral).

    I'm not trying to tell other people what to think, just saying what I think.

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    You might be interested to know that the "On Being Nineteen" was originally an afterward to DT 7. Whelan, the illustrator, suggested that it was too wordy and distracted from the ending speaking for itself. King took the advice, and placed it at the beginning of the revised edition.

    Case in point.

    Art becomes open for interpretation as soon as it leaves the hand of the artist and is given to the public. It becomes an artifact. Its why many artists kill themselves.*

    *Read Kafka's view on writing.

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    Call me naughty....

    But I actually read all that before I started The Dark Tower....

    Pretty much all I didn't read was the Arguments at the beginning of the second through fifth volumes, summarizing up to the beginning of each.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManOfWesternesse View Post
    for me the revised is too....pointed in places. eg. no need for a sneak preview of a Taheen running around lost on the fringes of the desert etc... And some of the language changes ('Calla-speak' etc..) are a bit forced for me.
    The inclusion of the taheen did feel a bit heavy handed to me as well since they didn't appear anywhere else until the last books.

    Didn't bother me though, in fact I found it rather interesting. Besides, ka allows for all that unlikely stuff.

    The not-man (or non-man?) reference intrigued me. It was something that was mentioned in the Revised Gunslinger, but never actually came to anything in the later books, just a reference to something Roland experienced in his past.

    I wonder if it'll be dealt with in the comics? I doubt it, as it was one little almost throwaway comment, but it'll be interesting to see.

    I'm not sure if I mentioned it earlier in this thread, but I would go with the revised. It fits better with the rest of the books, although it felt a bit like King was trying a bit hard at times. I was glad that the language changed, as it fits in better with the other books. Not just the latter books but it starts in Drawing of the Three. I think King does go a bit overboard with the 'yars' etc though which he doesn't say much anywhere else, including the last books.
    Spoiler:
    That's a word Jonas uses in Wizard and Glass[.


    This could be put down to Roland simply taking on the dialect of the people of Tull though,
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    and we know there is at least one migrant from Mejis there.
    . It mostly isn't Calla speak though, although once Roland does say "You say true, I say thank-ya" which appears to be something peculiar to the Calla.

    Another reason why I liked the revised- I'm a sucker for extra stuff. Yeah, probably shallow of me. I'm glad certain inconsistencies and errors were corrected too (i.e Farson no being the Good Man rather than a town) although comparing with the other books, it created a few other inconsistencies.
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    Mostly the Walter stuff that's been spoken of so much.


    The original is still interesting though. Truth be told, for all the bits changed, it's not that different.

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    Agree with all that Brainslinger, and at the end of the day I'm happy with either one in a re-read (with probably a slight personal preference for the Original).
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    Didn't Rev. Callahan tell the Ka-tet about the Taheen though? If he did, i'm just wondering why King placed one of them in the revised version and if Roland knew it by name. (I have not read the revised version so if i asked a stupid question, please, kindly correct me.)
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    Roland did not know this one by name. He saw it in the distance and it ran off when he called to it.
    About Callahan - I've a feeling you are right but don't recall it well. ?
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    I don't know, just seems kinda strange to me that SK would introduce something in the story that early and then forget about it until the 5th book.
    Opinion in politics, and politics, is an evil which has caused many a fellow to be hung while he’s still young and pretty.


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    As this deals with later books, I'll spoiler tag the next bit.

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    Callahan didn't tell them about the taheen. He did tell them about the low men though. Ok, low men are sort of taheen, (actually part taheen being hybrids) but he didn't know what they were. He just knew they were scary, and inhuman.

    When we meet the taheen and low men again in the later books, its clear Roland is aware of their existence, although he probably hasn't had many dealings with them. Although they don't refer to his prior sight of the taheen in the Gunslinger, (probably due to The Gunslinger being revised when King finished the last books.) it's not a contradiction.

    It was another traveller who told them about the relationship between the can-toi and the taheen.


    Edit- Sorry, I forgot the end tag above. it wasn't too big of a spoiler though.

    Whilst I liked the 19 stuff in the Revised Gunslinger I wonder if it was such a good idea considering
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    Roland doesn't make a big thing about it Wolves of the Calla. While the rest are obsessed he's pretty nonchalant. Considering Tull and Abbie you'd think his ears would have pricked up, but since it was just one small thing in the debacle of Tull, maybe he forgot.

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    At least there wasn't the number 99 written everywhere in the way station when Roland found Jake or anything crazy and out of place like that.....right?
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    Original.

    It was the copy I borrowed from a friend's mom and I had to have a copy for myself. So I went out and bought it but accidentally got the revised. When I read it, I didn't like it as much. Was it my own dumbass fault for not paying attention? Absolutely.

    But it was kinda like biting into a stuffed jalapeno and finding cheddar when you were anticipating cream cheese. S'all I'm sayin'.

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