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    Wizard and Glass
    I always loved Roland. Even when he seemed absolutely heartless he was close to me. But when at last I could read about his childhood and his first love I got to love and respect him even more.
    I couldn't put down this book if I remember well it took me 2 days to finish it.


    On a scale of 1-10 (10 = best) what would you give to this book and why?


    Which was your favourite part?


    Why did Susan fall in love with Roland?


    What did you feel when Susan was dying?


    What was Roland's biggest mistake in this book?


    Who was the most disgusting character in this book?


    What do you think about Jonas and Coral's relationship? What was it like? Do you see any depth in it?



    Whose death made you the happiest?

    Roland would have understood.

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    On a scale of 1-10 (10 = best) what would you give to this book and why?
    8, great story, but not enough CURRENT story.

    Which was your favourite part?
    The showdown at the Traveller's rest.

    Why did Susan fall in love with Roland?
    She had to.

    What did you feel when Susan was dying?
    Sad.

    What was Roland's biggest mistake in this book?
    Forgetting the faces of his Gunslinger Brothers

    Who was the most disgusting character in this book?
    Auntie Delgado

    What do you think about Jonas and Coral's relationship? What was it like? Do you see any depth in it?
    Nope. Really didn't care about it.

    Whose death made you the happiest?
    George Latigo.

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    On a scale of 1-10 (10 = best) what would you give to this book and why?
    10

    Which was your favourite part?
    When Cuthbert hit Roland to make him realise his mistakes.
    When Susan told Roland: "If you love me then love me."

    Why did Susan fall in love with Roland?
    Because she needed someone a lot she was lost and lonely and because Roland was a real man, a gunslinger she could trust and love. So it was because of her hopeless state and because of Roland's true inside.

    What did you feel when Susan was dying?
    I was 12 so I think I felt I was dying with her... if you are reading a book you are there and you feel everything.

    What was Roland's biggest mistake in this book?
    That he didn't kill Rhea.

    Who was the most disgusting character in this book?
    Thorin

    What do you think about Jonas and Coral's relationship? What was it like? Do you see any depth in it?

    Good question. I had been thinking about it a lot. I don't think it was much but it might have been a bit more than wild sex.

    Whose death made you the happiest?
    Let me think... maybe Jonas' however I did like his character. He had a nice death anyway - during fight from the hands of gunslingers.

    Roland would have understood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
    Which was your favourite part?
    When Cuthbert hit Roland to make him realise his mistakes.

    Oh, I loved this too. He should have slapped him a few more times to drive the point home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spencer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
    Which was your favourite part?
    When Cuthbert hit Roland to make him realise his mistakes.

    Oh, I loved this too. He should have slapped him a few more times to drive the point home.
    And we mustn't forget that after this Roland cried his pardon and Cuthbert told Roland that he loved him.
    good boys.. true friends

    Roland would have understood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
    Wizard and Glass

    On a scale of 1-10 (10 = best) what would you give to this book and why?
    I give it a 6. As I've stated elsewhere, The Dark Tower series, for me, is about Roland and his second ka-tet and I was just annoyed that Eddie, Jake, Susannah and Oy had very little to do with this book. Alain, Cuthbert and Susan pale in comparison to the others. While it is a good book because it is Dark Tower, it is the worst for me.

    Which was your favourite part?
    I would have to say Traveler's Rest, as well. I also really enjoyed Roland talking down to Jonas and calling him a "failure."

    Why did Susan fall in love with Roland?
    I know I'm a minority opinion but it was merely coincidence. Susan would have fallen for any "stranger" that happened to come along.

    What did you feel when Susan was dying?
    Meh. Death is sad and I didn't enjoy her death, but I knew it was coming and wasn't bothered by it.

    What was Roland's biggest mistake in this book?
    Forgetting his Gunslinger brother's faces...

    Who was the most disgusting character in this book?
    Cordelia, agreed. I loved to hate her.

    What do you think about Jonas and Coral's relationship? What was it like? Do you see any depth in it?

    It was a side note for me. Not terribly important, imo.

    Whose death made you the happiest?
    Jonas. Great scene!

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    On a scal= best) what would you give to this book and why?e of 1-10 (10

    9 It is a very well written and while I read it, just like all the others, I can see in my mind what is happening

    Which was your favourite part?

    I have to agree with Letti. Cuthbert hitting Roland to make him wake up to what was going on.

    Why did Susan fall in love with Roland?

    I have to agree with Monte. I think Susan would have fallen for any of the three. Roland just happened to be the first one she met.

    What did you feel when Susan was dying?

    I felt really upset when she was burned. The whole town betrayed her but worst of all her aunt betrayed her


    What was Roland's biggest mistake in this book?


    not killing Rhea when he had the chance



    Who was the most disgusting character in this book?

    Susans Aunt Cordelia. I cannot imagine anyone worse than a relative that would sell them to man for monetary gain

    What do you think about Jonas and Coral's relationship? What was it like? Do you see any depth in it?

    No. there was no depth to it.Jus two people having sex

    Whose death made you the happiest?
    Jonas

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    On a scale of 1-10 (10 = best) what would you give to this book and why?
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    I found the story boring, and most of the characters (Susan and Rhea, to name just two) cliched and somehow second-hand. My answer to the "why" you're asking, however, is already extensively spread in a number of other threads.

    Which was your favourite part?

    All that was before and after Mejis flashback.

    Inside the flashback, that is, of course, the showdown at the Romp, and the big battle in the end

    Why did Susan fall in love with Roland?

    because the time has come that she fall in love with anybody

    What did you feel when Susan was dying?

    I didn't give a f**k about her dying (she was doomed from the word go, - as I said, the story was cliched, and, thus, recognizable), but I did cry when she called bird and bear and hare and fish.

    What was Roland's biggest mistake in this book?

    he didn't really make any. He chose his future fate in that book, and shaped his character, and there was nothing he could have done otherwise.

    Who was the most disgusting character in this book?

    Cordelia


    What do you think about Jonas and Coral's relationship? What was it like? Do you see any depth in it?


    I think it was love.

    Whose death made you the happiest?

    when I learned how Cordelia died (Roland mentions it in his direct speech after the flash-back is ended) I was very happy that Mr.King wrote that... it's one of the (relatively few) redeeming features of that volume which is, otherwise, my least favorite (sharing this dubious honor with The Gunslinger)

    "Perhaps it was shame," Susannah said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    What did you feel when Susan was dying?

    I didn't give a f**k about her dying (she was doomed from the word go, - as I said, the story was cliched, and, thus, recognizable), but I did cry when she called bird and bear and hare and fish.
    *hugs Jean long* love ya

    Roland would have understood.

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    On a scale of 1-10 (10 = best) what would you give to this book and why?

    8. I LOVE W&G. I don't see the Mejis story as an interruption to the "real" story. As I've said a lot, I like seeing Roland's world as it was. This is the longest glimpse we get, and we see it very well. Seeing what Roland could do at 14, both mentally and physically, was a major insight into how he would conduct himself in future adventures.

    Which was your favourite part?

    Little Coffin Hunters vs. Big Coffin Hunters. Roland's besting of Jonas that night gives me chills every time I read it.

    Why did Susan fall in love with Roland?

    why do 16 year olds do anything? which is to say, i don't know and i refuse to say ka.

    What did you feel when Susan was dying?

    i saw it coming, but i still felt bad for roland. i've discussed it a lot in the thread about it however long ago that was, but i don't hold roland responsible for susan's death and thus i feel for his loss.

    What was Roland's biggest mistake in this book?

    i think what jean said is accurate. roland didn't really make any mistakes. he made choices. those choices defined the rest of his life.

    Who was the most disgusting character in this book?

    Cordelia, without a doubt. If Roland did make any mistakes it was not shooting Cordelia in the face.


    What do you think about Jonas and Coral's relationship? What was it like? Do you see any depth in it?


    It may have been what each of them thought was love, but they were two fairly ethically-challenged people, so I don't know what the word actually meant to them. I do think they cared for each other, but both of them cared for themselves much much more.

    Whose death made you the happiest?[/QUOTE]

    Cordelia's. I wish it were Roland that ended her life, but it was nice to know it did end when it did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post

    What do you think about Jonas and Coral's relationship? What was it like? Do you see any depth in it?


    I think it was love.
    You are quite alone with this answer (however I did write that I think it was more than sex) so can we know more about it?
    What do you mean by love here? This word has so many meanings, that's why I ask it.
    And why do you think so?

    Roland would have understood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    On a scale of 1-10 (10 = best) what would you give to this book and why?
    6
    I found the story boring, and most of the characters (Susan and Rhea, to name just two) cliched and somehow second-hand. My answer to the "why" you're asking, however, is already extensively spread in a number of other threads.

    Which was your favourite part?

    All that was before and after Mejis flashback.

    Inside the flashback, that is, of course, the showdown at the Romp, and the big battle in the end

    Why did Susan fall in love with Roland?

    because the time has come that she fall in love with anybody

    What did you feel when Susan was dying?

    I didn't give a f**k about her dying (she was doomed from the word go, - as I said, the story was cliched, and, thus, recognizable), but I did cry when she called bird and bear and hare and fish.

    What was Roland's biggest mistake in this book?

    he didn't really make any. He chose his future fate in that book, and shaped his character, and there was nothing he could have done otherwise.

    Who was the most disgusting character in this book?

    Cordelia

    What do you think about Jonas and Coral's relationship? What was it like? Do you see any depth in it?

    I think it was love.

    Whose death made you the happiest?

    when I learned how Cordelia died (Roland mentions it in his direct speech after the flash-back is ended) I was very happy that Mr.King wrote that... it's one of the (relatively few) redeeming features of that volume which is, otherwise, my least favorite (sharing this dubious honor with The Gunslinger
    The only answer I would change is who is the most disgusting. For me, that position is filled by Rhea solely for the scene where she is fingering up Susan. Gag! Pass the brain bleach. Please...
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    A whole lot more than riches and muscle.

    The hands of the many must join as one.
    And together we'll cross the river.

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    I didn't put Rhea because I never could take her seriously - she was way too cartoonish to strike me as anything but boring

    being quoted by the Wolf so extensively makes the bear happy!!!



    Nikolett: you see, the Wolf too thinks it was love!

    You know where I stand on love - I believe that there are people made for each other. Well, that's Jonas and Coral. I am absolutely sure they were each other's everything in their brief time together, and in different circumstances could have grown old happily together, robbing and kidnapping and extorting and having such similar fun. She was his real ka-tet, and he hers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
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    On a scale of 1-10 (10 = best) what would you give to this book and why?
    10 - I love this Book!

    Which was your favourite part?
    The showdown I would think - though that scene where the 3 boys are hunting latigo's men from the back was brilliant too.

    Why did Susan fall in love with Roland?
    Because she recognised him for what he really was, and because her life was so bereft.

    What did you feel when Susan was dying?
    Extremely sad, and somewhat dissapointed in Roland that he had not made better efforts to look after her.

    What was Roland's biggest mistake in this book?
    The half-assed way he left Susan to her own devices to pursue Latigo et al. (He couldnt take her with them, but leaving her there in the hut??)

    Who was the most disgusting character in this book?
    Rhea/Codrelia tie.


    What do you think about Jonas and Coral's relationship? What was it like? Do you see any depth in it?

    No depth whatsoever.

    Whose death made you the happiest?
    Depape?/Jonas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    I didn't put Rhea because I never could take her seriously - she was way too cartoonish to strike me as anything but boring

    being quoted by the Wolf so extensively makes the bear happy!!!



    Nikolett: you see, the Wolf too thinks it was love!

    You know where I stand on love - I believe that there are people made for each other. Well, that's Jonas and Coral. I am absolutely sure they were each other's everything in their brief time together, and in different circumstances could have grown old happily together, robbing and kidnapping and extorting and having such similar fun. She was his real ka-tet, and he hers.
    You are right. Rhea is too cartoonish, but still that scene ooged me. I did not need that image in my head!

    And I think you are 100% correct about Jonas and Coral. Part of me wanted them to escape the gunslingers' wrath and live just as you say above. I liked their characters although I'm certain I'd not like them in RL.

    Being appreciated by the Bear makes the Wolf very happy! *wolfhugs*
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    A whole lot more than riches and muscle.

    The hands of the many must join as one.
    And together we'll cross the river.

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    On a scale of 1-10 (10 = best) what would you give to this book and why?
    10, for a few reasons:
    It gave us an insight into rolands past.
    The storyline(imo) was fantastic, i liked not hearing about the tower for once.

    Which was your favourite part?
    The mexican standoff

    Why did Susan fall in love with Roland?
    I feel because she needed somone to love. The situation with Thorin made her vunerable(but love is still love).

    What did you feel when Susan was dying?
    Sorrow.

    What was Roland's biggest mistake in this book?
    Letting rhea live, but it was ka and it comes like a cyclone.

    Who was the most disgusting character in this book?
    Mayor Thorin

    What do you think about Jonas and Coral's relationship? What was it like? Do you see any depth in it?
    There was no depth, and i disliked the relationship

    Whose death made you the happiest?
    Jonas
    If you love me, then love me-Susan of mejis
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    On a scale of 1-10 (10 = best) what would you give to this book and why?

    The first time I read it I gave it a 9. Now I give it a 6

    Which was your favourite part?

    The ending ride with Blaine and The boys saving Sheemie in the bar

    Why did Susan fall in love with Roland?

    I know there is a lot of discussion about this but I think they were each others true first loves. They loved each other. Who can say why love is the way it is?

    What did you feel when Susan was dying?

    Well sadly, I think she had to die for Roland to get set up on his path to the tower. Roland was never meant to be that kind of family man.


    What was Roland's biggest mistake in this book?

    Not killing Rhea and forgetting the faces of his brothers.


    Who was the most disgusting character in this book?

    Rhea

    What do you think about Jonas and Coral's relationship? What was it like? Do you see any depth in it?

    *shrug* It was what it was.

    Whose death made you the happiest?

    jonas



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    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
    Wizard and Glass
    I always loved Roland. Even when he seemed absolutely heartless he was close to me. But when at last I could read about his childhood and his first love I got to love and respect him even more.
    I couldn't put down this book if I remember well it took me 2 days to finish it.


    On a scale of 1-10 (10 = best) what would you give to this book and why?10


    Which was your favourite part?

    The entire book.


    Why did Susan fall in love with Roland?

    Love is love. There is no why.


    What did you feel when Susan was dying?




    What was Roland's biggest mistake in this book?

    Not running off with Susan and saying fuck it all.


    Who was the most disgusting character in this book?

    Sheemie

    Spoiler:
    just fuckin' with y'all. Cordelia by far. Followed by Rhea.



    What do you think about Jonas and Coral's relationship? What was it like? Do you see any depth in it?


    They loved each other. To put it simply I agree with Jean on this one.


    Whose death made you the happiest?

    Death doesn't make me happy, but Cordelia's was the most satisfying and deserved IMO. Followed closely by Jonas'.

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    On a scale of 1-10 (10 = best) what would you give to this book and why?
    this past reread dropped this book waaaaay down - now it's maybe a 3

    Which was your favourite part?
    cuthbert telling roland there's something outside he wants him to see and then punching roland in the jaw and saying it's that little piece of ground that he's lying in; the showdown at the traveller's rest, all the wizard of oz stuff, all the parts surrounding the flashbacks

    Why did Susan fall in love with Roland?
    because he was there and she was desperate to find someone, anyone, who could take her away from her own life and world

    What did you feel when Susan was dying?
    again, this reread changed everything. i was kind of meh this time. i was sad when she called out "roland i love thee" though

    What was Roland's biggest mistake in this book?
    ignoring the pleas of his tet, not killing rhea when he had the chance

    Who was the most disgusting character in this book?
    cordelia - there is nothing more disgusting than selling a family member

    What do you think about Jonas and Coral's relationship? What was it like? Do you see any depth in it?
    i really believe that they were in love in their own way. i found more depth in their relationship during this reread, more truth, more joinedness (if that's a word). i really felt that they had found some necessary part of themselves in the other.

    Whose death made you the happiest?
    cordelia's (treacherous bitch)

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    Turtlesong, on the same scale of 1-10 what would you have given to the book before your rereading?
    When did you read it first?

    Roland would have understood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
    Turtlesong, on the same scale of 1-10 what would you have given to the book before your rereading?
    When did you read it first?
    i first read it the week it was released. it had been six years since the waste lands had been released and i couldn't wait to find out what happened. plus, we knew that roland's childhood was going to be revealed in some detail. so i was looking forward to that.

    after that reading i gave it a 8 and have given it a solid 8 ever since. until this reread.



    ETA: okay, i think that rating was too low. i think i actually gave it like an 8.5 or a 9. probably a 9. definitely not now though.
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    And have you changed a lot since then? Because you know books don't change but people do. So it's quite interesting that your feelings have changed so much.

    (I reread it some months ago and I was really happy to feel that I could get into the story as much as I did as a 12-year-old girl.)

    Roland would have understood.

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    actually, yes i have changed a lot since then. my entire life has been turned upside down, shaken and turned back over. and nothing went back into the place where it was originally (if that imagery makes any sense at all). i don't feel like the same person at all - i don't even remember that person. i don't even remember being that person. and that makes me sad sometimes.

    maybe that's why this reread changed everything in the books for me. not just w&g but all of them. i really loved susan the first however many times i read the books. this time she got on my very last nerve. seriously - i just wanted to slap her. i actually talked to the book this time and asked her "don't you fucking see what you're doing? don't you get it you numb bitch? you're in the way here - you're fucking up the tet and someone is going to get killed." of course, i knew it was her, but still.

    oh, and yeah, i talk to books i really love. movies too sometimes.

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    I don't hesitate to talk to my books. Anyway I don't hesitate to talk to anything. As a kid I had long and deep conversations with my shadow (yeah, I was a lonely kid) and I can talk about anything with my favourite pillow. That's how things work.

    Maybe you will be able to like this book later in the future. Let me know everything about it.

    Roland would have understood.

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    absolutely my dear letti. absolutely.

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