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[mae]

Yes,

Anakin was not the chosen one, it was Rey. She actually restores balance to the Force. A chosen one could not have turned over to the dark side. That doesn't mean Anakin turning to the light was meaningless, just like Ben wasn't. Basically, Qui-Gon was wrong, and if you rewatch Phantom Menace, you can see him basically forcing the Jedi Council to accept little Anakin as the one the prophecy spoke of. But he never really displayed any traits that would prove that, except the midichlorians thing. Rey, on the other hand, throughout the sequel trilogy shows that she is uniquely tuned to the Force and to me it closes the deal on her as the chosen one, when at the end she hears the voices of the Jedi that came before her. And no, she's not the last Jedi, the fact that the Force is a living thing amonst all creatures is true and anyone can be a Jedi or save the galaxy, like the boy with the broom at the end of Episode 8 or even Finn, but the point of the saga was to tell the story of one bloodline, the Skywalkers, and Rey adopting that last name at the end was both highly emotional (I knew what her answer would be as soon as the woman asked her, but I still was overcome with tears), but also thematically beautiful. Yes, she was Palpatine's granddaughter, but she rejected the path that was laid out to her and forged her own. In the queer community found family is often more meaningful than actual family, so this highly resonated with me personally. It's a great message to send as the saga ends. It doesn't matter who you are or where you come from, what matters is what's inside and that you do the right thing.

[mae]

Nothing in the film could have occurred without something else happening before it.

Indeed. Because that's how plot works. And the flow of time.

[webstar1000]

Yes,

Anakin was not the chosen one, it was Rey. She actually restores balance to the Force. A chosen one could not have turned over to the dark side. That doesn't mean Anakin turning to the light was meaningless, just like Ben wasn't. Basically, Qui-Gon was wrong, and if you rewatch Phantom Menace, you can see him basically forcing the Jedi Council to accept little Anakin as the one the prophecy spoke of. But he never really displayed any traits that would prove that, except the midichlorians thing. Rey, on the other hand, throughout the sequel trilogy shows that she is uniquely tuned to the Force and to me it closes the deal on her as the chosen one, when at the end she hears the voices of the Jedi that came before her. And no, she's not the last Jedi, the fact that the Force is a living thing amonst all creatures is true and anyone can be a Jedi or save the galaxy, like the boy with the broom at the end of Episode 8 or even Finn, but the point of the saga was to tell the story of one bloodline, the Skywalkers, and Rey adopting that last name at the end was both highly emotional (I knew what her answer would be as soon as the woman asked her, but I still was overcome with tears), but also thematically beautiful. Yes, she was Palpatine's granddaughter, but she rejected the path that was laid out to her and forged her own. In the queer community found family is often more meaningful than actual family, so this highly resonated with me personally. It's a great message to send as the saga ends. It doesn't matter who you are or where you come from, what matters is what's inside and that you do the right thing.

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[Kongo]

Yes,

Anakin was not the chosen one, it was Rey. She actually restores balance to the Force. A chosen one could not have turned over to the dark side. That doesn't mean Anakin turning to the light was meaningless, just like Ben wasn't. Basically, Qui-Gon was wrong, and if you rewatch Phantom Menace, you can see him basically forcing the Jedi Council to accept little Anakin as the one the prophecy spoke of. But he never really displayed any traits that would prove that, except the midichlorians thing. Rey, on the other hand, throughout the sequel trilogy shows that she is uniquely tuned to the Force and to me it closes the deal on her as the chosen one, when at the end she hears the voices of the Jedi that came before her. And no, she's not the last Jedi, the fact that the Force is a living thing amonst all creatures is true and anyone can be a Jedi or save the galaxy, like the boy with the broom at the end of Episode 8 or even Finn, but the point of the saga was to tell the story of one bloodline, the Skywalkers, and Rey adopting that last name at the end was both highly emotional (I knew what her answer would be as soon as the woman asked her, but I still was overcome with tears), but also thematically beautiful. Yes, she was Palpatine's granddaughter, but she rejected the path that was laid out to her and forged her own. In the queer community found family is often more meaningful than actual family, so this highly resonated with me personally. It's a great message to send as the saga ends. It doesn't matter who you are or where you come from, what matters is what's inside and that you do the right thing.

Interesting take. It just contradicts too much of the original and prequel trilogies for me to accept it. I'm glad this film was able to resonate with you so much though. It's a shame to see so much toxic hate for it on some corners of the web. Time will have a very interesting impact on this film

On a side note, I picked up Battlefront 2 today pretty cheap. All the updates and improvements finally convinced me. Can't wait to dive in tonight

[Joe315]

Yes,

Anakin was not the chosen one, it was Rey. She actually restores balance to the Force. A chosen one could not have turned over to the dark side. That doesn't mean Anakin turning to the light was meaningless, just like Ben wasn't. Basically, Qui-Gon was wrong, and if you rewatch Phantom Menace, you can see him basically forcing the Jedi Council to accept little Anakin as the one the prophecy spoke of. But he never really displayed any traits that would prove that, except the midichlorians thing. Rey, on the other hand, throughout the sequel trilogy shows that she is uniquely tuned to the Force and to me it closes the deal on her as the chosen one, when at the end she hears the voices of the Jedi that came before her. And no, she's not the last Jedi, the fact that the Force is a living thing amonst all creatures is true and anyone can be a Jedi or save the galaxy, like the boy with the broom at the end of Episode 8 or even Finn, but the point of the saga was to tell the story of one bloodline, the Skywalkers, and Rey adopting that last name at the end was both highly emotional (I knew what her answer would be as soon as the woman asked her, but I still was overcome with tears), but also thematically beautiful. Yes, she was Palpatine's granddaughter, but she rejected the path that was laid out to her and forged her own. In the queer community found family is often more meaningful than actual family, so this highly resonated with me personally. It's a great message to send as the saga ends. It doesn't matter who you are or where you come from, what matters is what's inside and that you do the right thing.

“The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb.”

[mae]

Yes,

Anakin was not the chosen one, it was Rey. She actually restores balance to the Force. A chosen one could not have turned over to the dark side. That doesn't mean Anakin turning to the light was meaningless, just like Ben wasn't. Basically, Qui-Gon was wrong, and if you rewatch Phantom Menace, you can see him basically forcing the Jedi Council to accept little Anakin as the one the prophecy spoke of. But he never really displayed any traits that would prove that, except the midichlorians thing. Rey, on the other hand, throughout the sequel trilogy shows that she is uniquely tuned to the Force and to me it closes the deal on her as the chosen one, when at the end she hears the voices of the Jedi that came before her. And no, she's not the last Jedi, the fact that the Force is a living thing amonst all creatures is true and anyone can be a Jedi or save the galaxy, like the boy with the broom at the end of Episode 8 or even Finn, but the point of the saga was to tell the story of one bloodline, the Skywalkers, and Rey adopting that last name at the end was both highly emotional (I knew what her answer would be as soon as the woman asked her, but I still was overcome with tears), but also thematically beautiful. Yes, she was Palpatine's granddaughter, but she rejected the path that was laid out to her and forged her own. In the queer community found family is often more meaningful than actual family, so this highly resonated with me personally. It's a great message to send as the saga ends. It doesn't matter who you are or where you come from, what matters is what's inside and that you do the right thing.

Interesting take. It just contradicts too much of the original and prequel trilogies for me to accept it. I'm glad this film was able to resonate with you so much though. It's a shame to see so much toxic hate for it on some corners of the web. Time will have a very interesting impact on this film

On a side note, I picked up Battlefront 2 today pretty cheap. All the updates and improvements finally convinced me. Can't wait to dive in tonight

I'm curious to hear your take then, what did you see as contradictory? To me, especially having binged the whole series prior to seeing Episode 9, it felt like a very natural conclusion to the saga.

[Kongo]

Yes,

Anakin was not the chosen one, it was Rey. She actually restores balance to the Force. A chosen one could not have turned over to the dark side. That doesn't mean Anakin turning to the light was meaningless, just like Ben wasn't. Basically, Qui-Gon was wrong, and if you rewatch Phantom Menace, you can see him basically forcing the Jedi Council to accept little Anakin as the one the prophecy spoke of. But he never really displayed any traits that would prove that, except the midichlorians thing. Rey, on the other hand, throughout the sequel trilogy shows that she is uniquely tuned to the Force and to me it closes the deal on her as the chosen one, when at the end she hears the voices of the Jedi that came before her. And no, she's not the last Jedi, the fact that the Force is a living thing amonst all creatures is true and anyone can be a Jedi or save the galaxy, like the boy with the broom at the end of Episode 8 or even Finn, but the point of the saga was to tell the story of one bloodline, the Skywalkers, and Rey adopting that last name at the end was both highly emotional (I knew what her answer would be as soon as the woman asked her, but I still was overcome with tears), but also thematically beautiful. Yes, she was Palpatine's granddaughter, but she rejected the path that was laid out to her and forged her own. In the queer community found family is often more meaningful than actual family, so this highly resonated with me personally. It's a great message to send as the saga ends. It doesn't matter who you are or where you come from, what matters is what's inside and that you do the right thing.

Interesting take. It just contradicts too much of the original and prequel trilogies for me to accept it. I'm glad this film was able to resonate with you so much though. It's a shame to see so much toxic hate for it on some corners of the web. Time will have a very interesting impact on this film

On a side note, I picked up Battlefront 2 today pretty cheap. All the updates and improvements finally convinced me. Can't wait to dive in tonight

I'm curious to hear your take then, what did you see as contradictory? To me, especially having binged the whole series prior to seeing Episode 9, it felt like a very natural conclusion to the saga.

Spoilers

It just cheapens everything. George Lucas himself, the man who created Star Wars, has gone on record saying Anakin is the chosen one, and he fulfilled the prophecy. This isn't debate, it's fact. As much as they want to claim bringing back the Emperor was always in the cards, I don't buy it. Especially when they're asking me to suspend my disbelief to such an extreme. I would of taken a clone, hell even an evil force ghost, but I just can't accept he survived not only the fall, but the death star exploding moments after. I know baby Yoda and force healing explain most of it, but I just can't. Trust me, I have other problems with the film too, but this is the one that haunts me the most. That being said, I still enjoyed the film, and plan to place it next the others in my collection. It's just my least favorite of the new films, and is most definitely not above criticism. I started off with the originals, just like everyone else here, so I'm fully justified in feeling let down with certain decisions

[mae]

I see, it's just so unfortunate to see you and others have a negative reaction to this film, while I had such a different and emotional one, and judging by RT so did most of the audience. During my showing (9 AM Saturday matinee and packed) everyone clapped at the end. But that's okay. I too grew up watching the originals and this in no way nullified those.

[webstar1000]

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[Garrell]

Saw it. Loved it. Great action and fun. 8/10

[DanHocker]

Here's my take

Spoilers

I didn't hate the Emperor being back. I just wish it had been the plan all along. Go back, get rid of Snoke and make the Emperor be the bad guy through the whole trilogy. As for "The Chosen One" stuff I feel like Anakin is still The Chosen One. Balance in the force is a balance between light and dark, so by essentially turning to the dark side and killing all but 2 Jedi he brought balance to the force 2 Jedi & 2 Sith. Essentially with all the Sith dead now the force is unbalanced again. My take is there always needs to be Sith or just dark side uses to balance out the light. Yin and Yang so to speak.

I only really have 2 major complaints with the movie. The first is the pacing, it's way too fast. Story notes don't really get any time to breath at all. The 2nd complaint is what they did to Rose. She got no screen time, which to me is just giving into the internet trolls. She didn't have to be a main character, but Dominic Monaghan got more screen time in his side part. Just drop that character and give all those lines to Rose. She's still a side character and it doesn't look like you're pandering.

[Joe315]

Here are my thoughts

Spoilers

First, I did enjoy the film and am satisfied with how it all played out.

I think Rian Johnson screwed up by getting rid of Snoke and JJ played cleanup with Rise, which is why so much was crammed into the first 20ish minutes. I imagine that Snoke was meant to be the bad guy (maybe darth plagueis or some other heretofore unknown uber sith) but RJ went rogue and decided to kill him off. I say this because the original director of Rise stated he never would have thought to bring Palpatine back (https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/11...olin-trevorrow). JJ should have been more involved in the 2nd film. He obviously had some vision of what the story should be and I think Johnson just threw that all to the wind. Who knows what Trevorrow would have come up with for Rise. (I did just see something that had Ben and Rey as siblings in early drafts of the trilogy which I am glad they went away from)

I also think that if Ben was going to leave the dark side it should have happened in the 2nd film. I think it was rushed in Rise. This way he and rey could have teamed up to kill Snoke, with Ben ultimately sacrificing himself to save Rey.

[Mattrick]

[Mattrick]

As Mae posted, life is just a bunch of coincidences. In one paragraph you state everything is a "coincidence" and the other "motivations". That's just "spin" baby you're characterizing circumstances to fit your agenda. Get out of town, dude!!! A case could be made in reverse for each set of films.

And by the way, it's called story telling. You're just a grouchy, angry man who for some reason feels betrayed. Get over it already dude. Life will seem brighter once you do. Or don't get over it, be bitter and disgruntled just spare us from having to listen to you whine and crab. We get it already. You don't care for any SW aside fom the original three films. Check, we get it!!! Everyone write that down? lol

I state in one paragraph coincidence and in one motivation...because they're two entirely different things! Don't tell me 'it's called storytelling' when you don't realize character motivations drive decisions, decisions drive plot. When character decisions make sense because their motivations for making those decisions, then coincidences in a story don't happen unless a coincidental event occurs as part of the plot which usually challenge the character in some way or reveal something about them. Coincidences in a narrative should play a role in affecting character. A bunch of coincidences in a row is not storytelling just because coincidences happen in life. Every single human being on this planet has motivations behind their choices. When your script doesn't have motivations for your characters, the idea of coincidences 'being like life' is redundant because your movie doesn't anyone who is like actual people. It's not spin. It's storytelling 101.

When Han Solo agrees to fly Luke/Obi-Wan to Alderaan, they play on his greed by offering him a bunch of money. Then when Han Solo gets his money and is preparing to leave, Luke questions Han Solo's character by basically calling him a selfish dick. This causes Han Solo to have a crisis of character in which he does the selfless thing by helping Luke before it's too late. If that scene with Luke never happened, and we just saw Han get his money and leave, him showing up wouldn't make sense. It would be coincidence, a dues ex machina with no reasoning behind it. Han Solo has motivation behind that decision, the decision makes logical sense, and it brings Han Solo's arc and the film to a meaningful close that shows how Han has grown over the course of the film. That's storytelling.

The only thing that makes me grouchy is someone telling me I don't know what storytelling is when they don't even understand a basic a storytelling concept like character motivation. And then accuse me of 'spinning' (LOL) basic storytelling principles to fit my "agenda": the only agenda I have is wanting to see a Star Wars film with semi-competent script. I wasn't going to continue arguing in here, but then I read that and was just flabbergasted by the ignorance.

[Merlin1958]

Yeah, Rise of Skywalker takes place less than 30 years after The Mandalorian. Given that Baby Yoda is 50 in the show and looks to be about a year old in our terms, he'd be like at best 1 and a half, so just about the same.

This is something that bothered me, unless I missed something, with TRoS.......

Spoiler:

That there was absolutely no tie in what so ever with The Mandalorian and more to the point, Baby Yoda. The only possible very slight tie-in was the ability to heal, which I don't believe was ever demonstrated by the Jedi in previous films. I may be dead wrong on that one and I'm sure you more devoted fans will correct me if I am I hope.

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but given the close proximity of the timelines in play and the premise for, "The Child" in the Mandalorian, it screams to me that baby Yoda should have at least had an honorable mention in TRoS. Also among the missing were, ethereal, Anakin and Obi-Wan. What they decide to retire to Boca? lol

Also, and I'm just mulling things over, a previous post had the age of BY at approximately 1 yr in human terms. However, it's stated that BY is 50 yrs old in the show and if I recall correctly Yoda was around 800 yrs old when he passed away. That's one helluva range and since we have no basis what so ever as to how "Yoda's" are conceived and age we really have no basis at all to speculate on BY's age in human years at all. Even size could betray any attempt to speculate on BY's age. Also, if you think about it, it seems to me that BY has much more maturity than a 1 yr old human. IDK just ruminating I suppose. lol lol

While searching for something else I came across this..................

https://www.pocket-lint.com/tv/news/...-viewing-order

and thought I'd post it for you guys since there was so much discussion earlier in the thread regarding the order to do a re-watch.

[webstar1000]

Yeah, Rise of Skywalker takes place less than 30 years after The Mandalorian. Given that Baby Yoda is 50 in the show and looks to be about a year old in our terms, he'd be like at best 1 and a half, so just about the same.

This is something that bothered me, unless I missed something, with TRoS.......

Spoiler:

That there was absolutely no tie in what so ever with The Mandalorian and more to the point, Baby Yoda. The only possible very slight tie-in was the ability to heal, which I don't believe was ever demonstrated by the Jedi in previous films. I may be dead wrong on that one and I'm sure you more devoted fans will correct me if I am I hope.

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but given the close proximity of the timelines in play and the premise for, "The Child" in the Mandalorian, it screams to me that baby Yoda should have at least had an honorable mention in TRoS. Also among the missing were, ethereal, Anakin and Obi-Wan. What they decide to retire to Boca? lol

Also, and I'm just mulling things over, a previous post had the age of BY at approximately 1 yr in human terms. However, it's stated that BY is 50 yrs old in the show and if I recall correctly Yoda was around 800 yrs old when he passed away. That's one helluva range and since we have no basis what so ever as to how "Yoda's" are conceived and age we really have no basis at all to speculate on BY's age in human years at all. Even size could betray any attempt to speculate on BY's age. Also, if you think about it, it seems to me that BY has much more maturity than a 1 yr old human. IDK just ruminating I suppose. lol lol

While searching for something else I came across this..................

https://www.pocket-lint.com/tv/news/...-viewing-order

and thought I'd post it for you guys since there was so much discussion earlier in the thread regarding the order to do a re-watch.

Baby Yoda is the reason Palpatine comes back Bill. That is the reason for the Mandalorian timeline and why they are after this 'child' so bad. They want to resurrect him. I also would have guessed at the end of a few seasons of Mando... Baby Yoda brings him back and dies

Spoiler:

like Ben did saving Rey

BUT now I think since he is SO huge... he won't. Disney will milk this proverbial tit I am sure. haha

[mae]

[Lookwhoitis]

I saw and enjoyed the rise of Skywalker
It gave me the feelies. I especially liked the skillfully done allusions to the early films in certain shots/props ect. I feel like the nostalgic nods were well done and not overly forced down your throat.

Sure, I am one of those fellows who likes everything star wars puts out. I don't really understand the naysayers. Some people want to just want to affirm their own opinion (even if it is the minority) so much.

Every member of my party enjoyed the movie including my 4 yr old niece

[WeDealInLead]

Sure, I am one of those fellows who likes everything star wars puts out.

I find your lack of taste disturbing.

And a four-year-old liking or disliking something is a pretty low bar.

[webstar1000]

Sure, I am one of those fellows who likes everything star wars puts out.

I find your lack of taste disturbing.

And a four-year-old liking or disliking something is a pretty low bar.

I’m with Lookwhoitis. I’ve found something in every film they have made that I have liked and /or loved. I find it funny when people make fun of people for enjoying Star Wars. I find that shit disturbing. Lol


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[WeDealInLead]

You go on about SW as much or more than mattrick does. Neither of your opinions are going to convince someone to change their mind. People expect, experience and take different things from the same movie. Why can't you accept that? Whether it's Brother or Star Wars you just can't seem to get past that hurdle that someone didn't like it. You dislike plenty of movies, I don't see anyone giving you a hard time for it.

[webstar1000]

You go on about SW as much or more than mattrick does. Neither of your opinions are going to convince someone to change their mind. People expect, experience and take different things from the same movie. Why can't you accept that? Whether it's Brother or Star Wars you just can't seem to get past that hurdle that someone didn't like it. You dislike plenty of movies, I don't see anyone giving you a hard time for it.

Lol I’m only joking around. Take a chill pill pal. Merry Christmas!


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[WeDealInLead]

I'm totally "chill." We're actually watching Empire. And you too.

[webstar1000]

I'm totally "chill." We're actually watching Empire. And you too.

That’s my number one! Enjoy


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[Merlin1958]

Yeah, Rise of Skywalker takes place less than 30 years after The Mandalorian. Given that Baby Yoda is 50 in the show and looks to be about a year old in our terms, he'd be like at best 1 and a half, so just about the same.

This is something that bothered me, unless I missed something, with TRoS.......

Spoiler:

That there was absolutely no tie in what so ever with The Mandalorian and more to the point, Baby Yoda. The only possible very slight tie-in was the ability to heal, which I don't believe was ever demonstrated by the Jedi in previous films. I may be dead wrong on that one and I'm sure you more devoted fans will correct me if I am I hope.

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but given the close proximity of the timelines in play and the premise for, "The Child" in the Mandalorian, it screams to me that baby Yoda should have at least had an honorable mention in TRoS. Also among the missing were, ethereal, Anakin and Obi-Wan. What they decide to retire to Boca? lol

Also, and I'm just mulling things over, a previous post had the age of BY at approximately 1 yr in human terms. However, it's stated that BY is 50 yrs old in the show and if I recall correctly Yoda was around 800 yrs old when he passed away. That's one helluva range and since we have no basis what so ever as to how "Yoda's" are conceived and age we really have no basis at all to speculate on BY's age in human years at all. Even size could betray any attempt to speculate on BY's age. Also, if you think about it, it seems to me that BY has much more maturity than a 1 yr old human. IDK just ruminating I suppose. lol lol

While searching for something else I came across this..................

https://www.pocket-lint.com/tv/news/...-viewing-order

and thought I'd post it for you guys since there was so much discussion earlier in the thread regarding the order to do a re-watch.

Baby Yoda is the reason Palpatine comes back Bill. That is the reason for the Mandalorian timeline and why they are after this 'child' so bad. They want to resurrect him. I also would have guessed at the end of a few seasons of Mando... Baby Yoda brings him back and dies

Spoiler:

like Ben did saving Rey

BUT now I think since he is SO huge... he won't. Disney will milk this proverbial tit I am sure. haha

Really? i don't know how I managed to miss that tidbit. lol Then again, I had my 7 yr old grandson with me and he got antsy during the non-action scenes.

Spoiler:

Can you explain a little more? Palpatine's boys used BY how? Was there more explanation regarding the Yoda culture/race? They killed BY and used his life force to bring back the Emperor?