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**Mordred Deschain** · 04-17-2009 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Sam

I would still say that Tyranus was a Sith Lord. Just because Sidious didn't intend to keep him as an apprentice, he still took him as an apprentice. Pawn or not, Dooku was still a Sith.

However...further in REvenge of the Sith when Palpatine is talking to Anakin..he asks him the same question.."Anakin..was Dooku a Sith Lord or just someone out for power holding a red lightsaber."

I think from Dooku's realization and Sidious saying this that Dooku was not a Sith Lord.

would you consider Asajj Ventress a Sith Lord, because if you do, then that would make 3, not 2. Which would make the Sith rule not true. even if they don't follow rules, the still learned from their past mistakes. I think Dooku was mislead just like Ventress. Maul, from the history we have, was never a jedi and solo trained by sidious. Anakin, however, makes the ultimate choice when he slaughters Windu and the Jedi temple.

**Sam** · 04-17-2009 07:40 PM

Maul was taken by Sidious from the Jedi facilities when he was a youngling from what I have read so far.

Spoiler:

I consider Dooku a Sith Lord, but I think Palpatine thought of him as little more than a pawn really. He led Dooku to believe he was Palpatine's apprentice and thus, a Sith.

**Mordred Deschain** · 04-17-2009 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Sam

Maul was taken by Sidious from the Jedi facilities when he was a youngling from what I have read so far.

Spoiler:

I consider Dooku a Sith Lord, but I think Palpatine thought of him as little more than a pawn really. He led Dooku to believe he was Palpatine's apprentice and thus, a Sith.

then that brings back my original question, when does one become a lord of the sith and not just an apprentice? or are you saying there is no difference between a lord and an apprentice?

**Sam** · 04-17-2009 07:55 PM

From my understanding, the only difference between the Sith Master and his apprentice, the Dark Lord of the Sith, is that the master starts out knowing more. The apprentice wants to learn and thus doesn't try to kill his master yet. When he thinks he has learned enough, the apprentice would try to kill the master. So the difference between them is the amount of Sith knowledge. Once the apprentice thinks he's learned enough, he wants to become the master.

So beyond the knowledge, there isn't much difference between master and apprentice.

**Mordred Deschain** · 04-17-2009 08:26 PM

I agree. sorry if that took abit. But I think my brain needed what you just wrote to make sense of it. I know we are talking about the books and not so much the movie so, I guess the answer would only come from Lucas, but I agree with you.

I guess I was just trying to make sense of it because it's some what clear how a jedi evolves..ie...youngling...padawan...jedi....master jedi (at least I hope I got that right), but the whole Sith mistrust makes it hard to sometimes to believe what is true about the Sith. I mean really, from their whole history what is true and what isn't? When the Jedi speak of Sith...it's ancient tales. When Sidious speaks of the the Sith....It's a matter of true mastery of the force (power) and patience. And isn't patience what is taught to jedi?

**Mordred Deschain** · 05-02-2009 07:34 PM

**sarajean** · 05-02-2009 07:48 PM

wow. i think that is a horrible analogy. i really do.

**obscurejude** · 05-02-2009 07:50 PM

reductio ad absurdum FAIL

**obscurejude** · 05-02-2009 07:51 PM

Cool book Mordred. Did you get it at a used bookstore? Nice find.

**Mordred Deschain** · 05-02-2009 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by obscurejude

Cool book Mordred. Did you get it at a used bookstore? Nice find.

NO actually it was at SchulerBooks. and ty

**Ka-mai** · 05-02-2009 08:09 PM

Sorry, I kind of realized right after I posted that it was pretty terrible. Deleted. I apologize for offending anyone.

**Mordred Deschain** · 05-02-2009 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by ka-mai

Sorry, I kind of realized right after I posted that it was pretty terrible. Deleted. I apologize for offending anyone.

I deleted my response with your quote in it. It never happened.

**Ka-mai** · 05-02-2009 08:15 PM

Thanks.

**Ka-mai** · 05-02-2009 08:34 PM

OH. So I totally just remembered my actual reason for coming in here.

Okay, I know it's really not that great that the new trilogy kind of... sucks balls. But this can be avoided by simply not watching those movies. What really, REALLY bothers me is all the new shit they added to the old movies. The new scenes are terrible!

Spoiler:

And the scary thing is I am finding it impossible to find a copy without these add-ins. Did Lucas round them up and burn them or something?

I'm getting angry just thinking about this.

**obscurejude** · 05-02-2009 08:36 PM

You have to get them on VHS Sarah. Its an unfortunate reality.

**John_and_Yoko** · 05-02-2009 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by obscurejude

You have to get them on VHS Sarah. Its an unfortunate reality.

Not true--my brother got copies of the original trilogy that had the option of watching the original releases. Only catch is it's both versions of each movie.

**Ka-mai** · 05-02-2009 08:40 PM

Fair enough. Is there some sort of device that you can burn a VHS onto a DVD? Or am I talking crazy?

Edit: Wow, do you know where he got it? I was thinking of checking Ebay but I've been screwed one too many times on there, so I'm trying to avoid it.

**John_and_Yoko** · 05-02-2009 08:41 PM

I'd have to ask him, but I'll let you know when I do.

**sarajean** · 05-02-2009 08:42 PM

for pam:

**turtlex** · 05-02-2009 08:43 PM

I love the ship!
but sarajean... your arms are much more hairy than I'd imagined.

**obscurejude** · 05-02-2009 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by John_and_Yoko

Originally Posted by obscurejude

You have to get them on VHS Sarah. Its an unfortunate reality.

Not true--my brother got copies of the original trilogy that had the option of watching the original releases. Only catch is it's both versions of each movie.

Has to be recent. Thanks for the info, though. I was under the impression you had to find them on VHS. Scroll back and read Flagg's comment a couple of pages ago. He's not the only person I've heard it from and I've had trouble finding them myself.

**Ka-mai** · 05-02-2009 08:44 PM

Turtlex:

The ship is very cool sj.

I wonder if Lucas realizes he'd probably make millions more by releasing his originals? Or if he's waiting for the 200th anniversary or something.

**obscurejude** · 05-02-2009 08:45 PM

Did Jeff make it too?

**sarajean** · 05-02-2009 08:46 PM

jeff and i built it together. it took several hours.

it wasn't as exhausting as jabba's sail barge.

i can't seem to find my pictures of that, though.

**turtlex** · 05-02-2009 08:47 PM

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Trilogy-Harrison-Ford/dp/B001EN71DG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1241325956&sr=1-1"]Amazon.com: Star Wars Trilogy: Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill: Movies & TV[/ame]

Here's a write up on the above : What you'll get here are the 2-disc limited editions of the original trilogy in a handy-dandy box. What are the limited editions? Two disc packages that contain the recent special editions and a "bonus disc" for each film that contains the respective originals. And by originals, I mean the complete un-altered films the way audiences saw them back in 1977, 1980 and 1983. Even the added-in-'81 "A New Hope" in the title crawl of the first film is no longer there.

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