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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyxRansom View Post
    I have to wonder, though, how did these people all come to see him as such, the interloper?...
    Yeah.... I thought it was heavily hinted in the book that he (Walter) used Sylvia to turn the populace of Tull against him and to work them up into a frenzied attack. But then I've had to wonder how that affected the non-churchgoers like Allie, as every man, woman and child in Tull participated?....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManOfWesternesse View Post
    Yeah.... I thought it was heavily hinted in the book that he (Walter) used Sylvia to turn the populace of Tull against him and to work them up into a frenzied attack. But then I've had to wonder how that affected the non-churchgoers like Allie, as every man, woman and child in Tull participated?....
    I think the majority of people in Tull attended the church. Possibly even everyone, with the exception of Allie.

    I have to admit, I wondered how they could be so easily manipulated to that extent. I used to be a church goer. It was a pentacostal church too, so lots of dancing and excitement etc, and I've seen people get pretty worked up (although it was pretty tame compared to some places. Not that I'm suggesting the preaching in my Church was negative like Sylvia's) But to go to that extreme is a whole other thing.

    Course we have to remember the entire town was miserable. Strange things had happened to put everyone on edge (particularly the business with Nort and the Man in Black.) And the sermon we saw was just the finale of a whole series of poison preaching. And throw in the possibility of enchantment too.

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    I think Roland's arrival just provided the catalyst to set everything off.

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    I think so too, those folks were on the edge of madness long before either of them showed up and Walter understood that. He whipped them into a frenzy with a few parlor tricks and mob mentality handled it from there.
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    Agree.
    They had been hungry for evil for long.

    Roland would have understood.

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    Maybe they were, Letti. But I kind of doubt it. I doubt that they wanted evil. Maybe they just needed something to ruffle their feathers. But it just seems too damned random (not King's fault, I just mean in terms of the actual story) for them to just think of Roland as the interloper. I say it was Walter's doing. If not, and you are right, then that town deserved the fate it got. God needed to cleanse the town just because there was no hope for it. And this was the way to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyxRansom View Post
    say it was Walter's doing. If not, and you are right, then that town deserved the fate it got. God needed to cleanse the town just because there was no hope for it. And this was the way to do it.
    I'd say they got what they deserved regardless. When you attack a Gunslinger, you should expect to get shot.

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    I don't think she really needed the whole town, they just needed a few.

    Mobs will kill, it becomes a mind of its own and everyone in it does not always agree with what its doing, but do it anyway.

    Have you guys ever seen a mob attack on the internet? Its not pretty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt View Post
    I don't think she really needed the whole town, they just needed a few.

    Mobs will kill, it becomes a mind of its own and everyone in it does not always agree with what its doing, but do it anyway.

    Have you guys ever seen a mob attack on the internet? Its not pretty.
    The internet is a whole other monster. Hahaha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyxRansom View Post
    Maybe they were, Letti. But I kind of doubt it. I doubt that they wanted evil. Maybe they just needed something to ruffle their feathers. But it just seems too damned random (not King's fault, I just mean in terms of the actual story) for them to just think of Roland as the interloper. I say it was Walter's doing. If not, and you are right, then that town deserved the fate it got. God needed to cleanse the town just because there was no hope for it. And this was the way to do it.
    There is always hope but it's always easier to find enemies than to find friends or helpers.

    Roland would have understood.

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    So then the town was selfish? I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that. It's certainly very plausible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyxRansom View Post
    So then the town was selfish? I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that. It's certainly very plausible.
    Why do you think it was selfish?

    Roland would have understood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
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    So then the town was selfish? I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that. It's certainly very plausible.
    Why do you think it was selfish?
    Why WOULDN'T it be selfish? To find enemies, which is, as you said, easier to do, than to try to find the ability to be friendly with someone, even someone that some evil preacher lady claims is "the interloper"?
    It's always less selfish to try to find kindness in your heart. I don't know, hopefully that makes sense. Maybe I'm just missing the point entirely. Hmm.

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    Their subsistent existence coupled with the poison preaching of the preacher lady mixed with fear of the outside, certainly could lend to a selfish attitude. Or at least self-centred (which isn't necessarily the same as selfish, although I think both would apply here).

    I think fear and confusion are the main problem though, building up the instability, leaving Walter (via Sylvia) to set loose the rock-slide. Metaphorically speaking of course.

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    Maybe. I can see it. It just seems too damn easy. That was probably the whole idea behind that town, though. That was who they are. They just needed to be washed out. They were bad people, easily influenced by anything, and they just needed to be cleansed.

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    I don't think they were neccesarily all that bad though, at least not to start with. I think fear and the mob mentality can make people do what they wouldn't normally.

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    Another example would be what the townsfolk of Hambry did to poor Susan. Also throw in the influence of a certain glass ball in Walter's luggage which can amplify negative thoughts and emotions... Bear in mind this is before he reached the Way station...

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    It goes back to that damn thing. Guh. It's really quite sad to me, thinking about it.

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    I think we have to consider the fact that the Tower is running this whole deal. The ending clearly shows that all is not what it seems and it could be the entire town was there simply because the Tower wanted it to be and in that capacity, it acted accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt View Post
    I think we have to consider the fact that the Tower is running this whole deal. The ending clearly shows that all is not what it seems and it could be the entire town was there simply because the Tower wanted it to be and in that capacity, it acted accordingly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyxRansom View Post
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    So then the town was selfish? I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that. It's certainly very plausible.
    Why do you think it was selfish?
    Why WOULDN'T it be selfish? To find enemies, which is, as you said, easier to do, than to try to find the ability to be friendly with someone, even someone that some evil preacher lady claims is "the interloper"?
    It's always less selfish to try to find kindness in your heart. I don't know, hopefully that makes sense. Maybe I'm just missing the point entirely. Hmm.
    I don't know I just wouldn't describe them selfish.
    They were lost.. hopeless.. bitter.. some of them were really evil and there were insane ones as well. But I wouldn't use the word selfish in this case but it doesn't mean they weren't.

    Roland would have understood.

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    okay, jumping back in here then i'm leaving again. because we all know how i feel about this.

    the town wasn't selfish. they were stupid maybe. they were ignorant probably. they were defeated before roland ever set eyes on the place absolutely. the man in black wound them up and set them spinning like tops.

    want to know who was selfish? roland. roland was fucking selfish that's who. he knew there was a fucking trap there and he fucking stayed anyway. he stayed, he fucked, he ate, he drank, and he waited until something happened so that he could unleash all his anger and frustration and hate and bitterness on someone or something. and it turned out to be that town.

    yes, walter cast whatever spell he did. yes, sylvia thought she was carrying a child (she wasn't). yes the town turned on roland. but he knew from the very beginning that there was a trap laid for him in that town (he said as much) and he fucking stayed anyway. he could have left and chose not to. that is selfish. that is stupid. that isn't ka. that's just one man who is tired, and hungry, and wants to get laid.

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    the turtle has left the thread.

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    Wasn't the trap pretty much set up to go off when he was leaving town? So whether he went earlier or later whenever he left it would go down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeDaN View Post
    Wasn't the trap pretty much set up to go off when he was leaving town? So whether he went earlier or later whenever he left it would go down.
    I got the impression that the trap was waiting. He sensed it was coming, and had he left, he likely would have avoided it. The impression I go though was that he was meant to experience it (ka), or at least he felt he did.

    So actually you might be right in that sense. If it was ka, and he left before the trap shut, maybe it would have caught up with him later. A posse of villagers led by a well endowed preacher lady targeting him like a pair of heat-seeking missiles. BOOM, BOOM!

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    Either way they were weak-minded and it was THAT which allowed them to be controlled. They had it coming!

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