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    Default the insomnia prophecy

    hi fellow tower-junkies, im new and this is my first post and ive tried 2 avoid blatant spoilers
    anyway i want to know what u think of the prophecy about patrick danville and how he would save 2 men on the way 2 the tower, then the next time he shows up
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    hes got those crazy drawing powers, had his tongue cut out and is being tortured by dandelo! what happened in between the ed deepneau incident when patrick was a kid and his being caught by dandelo? he saved susana i guess, but his actions (which in hindsight were predetermined) only speed roland on 2 his fate,
    do u think SK will ever resolve these questions? perhaps with peter straubs' help in the 3rd talisman book?

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    We can hope to have many questions answered. Yours is an interesting one too.
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    You don't have to try to "avoid spoilers" - only use spoiler tags (the radioactive sign).

    This thread is soon going to be merged.

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    maybe sk will write a retroactive story about Patricks adventures but in the 7th book he clearly states that he doesnt know his future store...ya ken it? I think it would make a great short story

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    Maybe it'll be covered in a graphic novel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhanic View Post
    Maybe it'll be covered in a graphic novel.

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    yeah!! thats a great idea!

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    It'd be good material for a short story in a future collection a la The Little Sisters of Eluria.

    I think that the Insomnia prophecy...
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    I think it might be something that will come into play in Roland's last loop.

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    oooooooooooo....... what if Patrick and Jake are really twinners... and Patrick actually ended up with Dandelo because of Roland..

    lol i'm silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZGDK View Post
    I was just thinking: who exactly is The Greenman from Insomnia?
    I think I've cracked it!!! For thise who don't remember, a guy with a green aura so bright that Ralph can't see the face, gives Ralph Lois's earrings before he goes to battle the CK/Ed. Well!...

    ...in another thread Path had posted
    Not to make any accusation, but what if, in Stephen's deepest heart, "In This Haze of Green and Gold"
    and when I read it I had a revelation...I reckon the green man is King! I mean, Ralph uses the earrings to defeat Ed, so it's a total Deus Ex Machina him being handed the earrings at that point, and it called to mind King's other appearance in one of his own tales (DT of course) where he also hands out Deus Ex Machina get out clauses to his characters.

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    really? King the greenman? maybe so.

    I just finished this book but I don't like to think that so many possible charecters or elements in King's books could be King himself (people thought about him being in the tower, etc). I liked this book a lot, but another thing that I really is drawing attention away from the story for me is King's facination with the LOTR. I have been obsessed with those stories for a couple of my childish years, so I am a fan also. But I don't like how it's hobbit this, One ring to rule them all that, and then of course we know about his whole preface to the Dark Tower series. Also, I just picked up Duma Key, and within the first 30 or so pages there's a dog named Gandalf. Maybe I'm not giving him enough credit, or have just been picking up the books he keeps writing about LOTR in. ahh I just wish it would be over now, but I bet it won't!

    Other than that, the greenman did confuse me. I did like this story a lot, I liked the elements of the 3 bald doctors, and how King managed to describe the different "levels" that were traveled and the confusion of the auras. It made sense and I bet it was hard to describe those levels, but he introduced them to us in a way that was relateable. I liked most of the charecters and of course it was in Derry so it was interesting. The Crimson King seemed an even bigger deal in this book than in the Dark Tower books, simply because
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    :radioactive: Insomnia - Let's Discuss! *SPOILERS*

    New book of the month!

    Let's talk about Insomnia.

    It has been many years since I have read it, but I remember I enjoyed it... how about everyone else?
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    I borrowed this book from my BF parents, I really enjoyed it after I finally got into it. Which was hard at first, at least for me

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    I loved this book. My favorite behind IT.

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    I loved the book except the last quarter or so (maybe one fifth) that I found boring - it's when all the fuss starts. Bears hate fuss in books.

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    This is one of my favorite King books. I just love Ralph. He's so kick-ass for an old fella! I know a lot of people think this book drags and is a bit bloated, but I loved every single word.

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    how bizarre, i picked this book up at the weekend to re read after looking at one of the vote off links. its been years since i read it - so its in those strange realms where you kinda know what going to happen but it still surprises you. i do remember that i enjoyed it though

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    I just read this book before the current one I am reading. I really enjoyed this book. It was so different than anything else I've read (so far and so far from King), I really enjoyed the bald doctors, and the auras. I loved the charecter developement...

    I personally have an issue with the way Stephen King descirbed epilepsy and seizures in this book and in the one I am currently reading though (Duma Key), not all of them are the same, that is true but I never find his decriptions of either to ring true to what I have experienced as a person with epilepsy and it dissapoints me.
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    Insomnia is a great read. It's one of those I've re-read a great many times and never get tired of it. Good storyline. Great characters - Ralph is one of king's best. Lois. Love the 2 Doctors, Atropos was also brilliant, Old Dorrance! Poor old Rosie!

    Quote Originally Posted by theyspunaweb View Post
    ....I personally have an issue with the way Stephen King descirbed epilepsy and seizures in this book and in the one I am currently reading though (Duma Key), not all of them are the same, that is true but I never find his decriptions of either to ring true to what I have experienced as a person with epilepsy and it dissapoints me.
    Yes spun, but King is notoriously poor on research detail at times, so I wouldn't put too much emphasis on it. This is a man who 'fans' the trigger of a revolver! (Any kid who ever read or watched a western would/should know better).
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaLikeAWheel View Post
    I know a lot of people think this book drags and is a bit bloated, but I loved every single word.
    I agree completely. I think the pace of this book is perfect. I love pretty much everything about Insomnia. The character development is thorough and well executed. Atropos is one of the best (if not the best) antagonists in the King universe. Also, as a lifelong sufferer of sleeping problems, I found Ralph's issues in the first portion of the book well done by King. I have experienced a lot of it myself. With very few exceptions, it's King's longer works that always become my favorites. This one is right up there.

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    I enjoy reading Insomia. Dorrance is one of my all time favorite charaters in SK books! He is so strange! I love it when he keeps saying "I don't mess in long time business!"

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    Dorrance was cool, he was all about poems...or kinda. King had a lot of "poems" or quotes in there. (Gosh I keep confusing this with some parts in duma, I know he referenced a song about digging for treasure, which I thought was a poem at first). He loves poems as the openings to things. Dorrance kept showing up at random and seemed to ramble but actually be as we well knew, insightful.
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    There is an elderly man in our complex who is always out taking walks. My wife and I have taken to referring to him as Dorrance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R_of_G View Post
    I agree completely. I think the pace of this book is perfect. I love pretty much everything about Insomnia. The character development is thorough and well executed. Atropos is one of the best (if not the best) antagonists in the King universe. Also, as a lifelong sufferer of sleeping problems, I found Ralph's issues in the first portion of the book well done by King. I have experienced a lot of it myself. With very few exceptions, it's King's longer works that always become my favorites. This one is right up there.
    I have had insomnia most of my adult life, and suspect that Sai King has experienced at least a bout or two of it. He just described the feeling of being bone tired and yet not at all sleepy (a concept my husband can just not understand) way too well. I escpecially loved the way he described that brittle, unreal fuzziness you get when chronically sleep deprived. And, yes, Atropos was a fabulous little villain, though King usually makes his bad guys more sympathetic. I don't remember feeling at all sympathetic towards Atropos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaLikeAWheel View Post
    He just described the feeling of being bone tired and yet not at all sleepy (a concept my husband can just not understand) way too well.
    Absolutely. I feel like that's my default state and that King got it exactly right with Ralph.

    Quote Originally Posted by KaLikeAWheel View Post
    And, yes, Atropos was a fabulous little villain, though King usually makes his bad guys more sympathetic. I don't remember feeling at all sympathetic towards Atropos.
    I agree that I didn't feel sympathetic per se for Atropos, but I did empathize a bit. He represents the Random as much as Clotho and Lachesis represent the Purpose. Sure, Atropos is particularly nasty in that he takes souvenirs and he seems to like his "job" but if the Random is necessary, his job is necessary and therefore I couldn't just write him off as a homicidal maniac. If you have a job to do, you might as well do it well.

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