Anti-Emo Brutality In Mexico: It May Get Worse

[Darkthoughts]

Thank O, thats my point entirely Mattrick - its not sensible, no self harming addiction (including drugs, alcohol etc) is, thats why its cause for concern not ridicule.

And yes, I do think your shrink is wrong. People sacrificed other people to appease the gods in ancient times, but its not the reason murderers of today commit murders - you can draw paralells but its not necessarily a continuation of every ancient practise.

[Darkthoughts]

As I said. THINKING something works doesn't mean it does. Cutting is your mind BELIEVING it helps. I understand why they do it, as an irrational person with an overly rational perspective on life I more than understand. That doesn't change the fact it's a stupid thing to do. That's like justifying heroin addicts or drunks because 'it's an irrational mind'. [sarcasm]To say these people are 'sick, demented or scum' is very short sighted because they see things irrationally.[/sarcasm]

Yes, but the difference is that these people lack the internal cut off points to act on the realisation that its harmful. Its not rationalizing their actions, its understanding their viewpoint to be able to treat them.

I could be a shrink if I wanted, a damn good one,

I'm sorry, but you really would not be...on the whole you come across to me as someone who cannot see any viewpoint that doesn't concur with yours.

[Girlystevedave]

I can't believe there is a thread that almost makes it seem like Emo is a race of people or something. They are "sad/confused" teenagers. So what? Almost everyone is confused as a teenager. I was called a "freak" as a teenager because I didn't look like the norm. I can tell you this: I sure as hell didn't get all weepy and defensive about it.
Rant over.

[Darkthoughts]

I think the trouble is that emo has become a misused label, in much the same way that goth was when I was a teen. Teens with mental health issues are automatically shoved under this label, and its not at all helpful.

[Mattrick]

Yes, but the difference is that these people lack the internal cut off points to act on the realisation that its harmful. Its not rationalizing their actions, its understanding their viewpoint to be able to treat them.

I'm sure many of these kids very well understand cutting is harmful. If they don't then I think something needs to be done about that. We can't just say 'oh leave them be, they don't understand how bad it is'. Sitting back and allowing our youth to think actions such as this are acceptable just isn't acceptable. Sometimes I think I'm taking crazy pills because everyone else seems to miss the simple truth in these matters

I'm sorry, but you really would not be...on the whole you come across to me as someone who cannot see any viewpoint that doesn't concur with yours.

Isn't that what you're doing by calling my view point wrong?

Understanding why people do things and sheltering them are two different things. Being a shrink is about guiding people to realizing things about themselves which are the foundations for future issues. What I'm able to do is understand how little things can snowball into a mountain of issues, I can understand where these irrational concepts stem from. If I had any choice but to analyze every person I meet and constantly analyze myself and discovering the hidden truths about my issues. You might say I decided to be my own psychiatrist and I'm more and more free from my issues as time passes.

I think I'm very gifted at putting myself in people's shoes. Maybe you can't accept my view point, which is simple: accepting this as a phase is bullshit. There is a difference between being a lost and confused teenager and what emo kids do. They freakin celebrate and embrace all the negative emotions. IS THAT GOOD? NO! And since many of these emo kids haven't reached adulthood yet we've no telling how far along these symptoms will go and how much they will affect in the future.

I refuse to believe this can't be stopped if people just freakin talked to their kids because most of what these kids want is to be understood and talking and open relationships while help that want.

[Darkthoughts]

Yes, but the difference is that these people lack the internal cut off points to act on the realisation that its harmful. Its not rationalizing their actions, its understanding their viewpoint to be able to treat them.

I'm sure many of these kids very well understand cutting is harmful. If they don't then I think something needs to be done about that. We can't just say 'oh leave them be, they don't understand how bad it is'. Sitting back and allowing our youth to think actions such as this are acceptable just isn't acceptable. Sometimes I think I'm taking crazy pills because everyone else seems to miss the simple truth in these matters

Maybe I'll end up taking crazy pills because you don't read my posts properly before you reply...what you just said is exactly what I just said!

Isn't that what you're doing by calling my view point wrong?

Not really, you're very antagonistic and then contradictory when you get challenged - thats why I'm saying you wouldn't make a good shrink. I've never witnessed you being impartial or diplomatic in any discussion you've had here.

[fernandito]

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[John Blaze]

I can't believe there is a thread that almost makes it seem like Emo is a race of people or something. They are "sad/confused" teenagers. So what? Almost everyone is confused as a teenager. I was called a "freak" as a teenager because I didn't look like the norm. I can tell you this: I sure as hell didn't get all weepy and defensive about it.
Rant over.

yay!
thanks love, totally agree.

[Odetta]

I think that, although there is a lot of negativity in the emo attitude, there is a similar trend in every generation. From hippies to punkers to metal heads to goth to emo... I wonder what the new trend will be when my daughter reaches that age.

For the record, I think that negative references to "emo" just fuels the fire for them. What fuels a fad or trend is a dislike or hatred for that trend.

I also believe that just because one says that they don't make fun of people outside of their friends doesn't make it OK. A person's intentions speak loud and clear and if you don't like someone for who they are or what they're trying to be, it will come through.

Now, when we are discussing mental illness in some form, that is a whole other discussion. People who cut themselves, for example, need help. Some type of counselling to deal with whatever issues are causing the need to cut. Ways to deal with the pain rather than transferring it. Would anyone tell a girl who cuts herself because she was molested by her uncle for 10 years that she is stupid and weak for cutting? No... what this girl would need is some therapy to learn how to deal with her past.

THAT being said, I didn't necessarily think that emos did any more cutting than those who aren't emos.

[Kevin]

I think that, although there is a lot of negativity in the emo attitude, there is a similar trend in every generation. From hippies to punkers to metal heads to goth to emo... I wonder what the new trend will be when my daughter reaches that age.
For the record, I think that negative references to "emo" just fuels the fire for them. What fuels a fad or trend is a dislike or hatred for that trend.

I also believe that just because one says that they don't make fun of people outside of their friends doesn't make it OK. A person's intentions speak loud and clear and if you don't like someone for who they are or what they're trying to be, it will come through.

Now, when we are discussing mental illness in some form, that is a whole other discussion. People who cut themselves, for example, need help. Some type of counselling to deal with whatever issues are causing the need to cut. Ways to deal with the pain rather than transferring it. Would anyone tell a girl who cuts herself because she was molested by her uncle for 10 years that she is stupid and weak for cutting? No... what this girl would need is some therapy to learn how to deal with her past.

THAT being said, I didn't necessarily think that emos did any more cutting than those who aren't emos.

Yes, but you see adult punkers/rockers/metal heads/hippies because they stand for something and have opinions/a stance on something. You dont see anyone 'emo' outside the teenage years really, because people grow out of it, realizing how trivial it all is. Other subcultures dont, because its not trivial.

[Daghain]

I'm sorry, I guess my shrink whom I saw a couple years back who has been formally trained in such matters doesn't know where cutting comes from. I'm unable to express myself, I'm a very introverted person who is emotional unhinged from those around me. As a result of this I've a lot of pent up emotions. I don't need to cut myself for this.

No, but you apparently feel the need to antagonize people in the name of acting like you know So. Damn. Much.

So you had a shrink. Good for you. He obviously didn't teach you any freaking compassion.

How about thinking about how others feel for a change? I'll admit I can be a cold-hearted bitch 90% of the time, but dude, at least I can recognize the fact that not everyone has the finely-honed survival instinct I have.

You yourself have admitted to having problems. So do others. Just because you think they are "weak" doesn't mean they are. It just means they have different/less coping skills than you.

You'd do well to figure out that no one is perfect, and remember: whenever you point a finger at someone you're pointing three back at yourself.

Just sayin'.

[Kevin]

Self harming isn't to do with Ancient Greek medical practises, its about being unable to express yourself, needing a release from pent up, unvoiced frustrations that self harmers find they are able to purge through acts of violence upon themselves.

I'm sorry, I guess my shrink whom I saw a couple years back who has been formally trained in such matters doesn't know where cutting comes from.

I'm sure your shrink does know where cutting comes from. But the reasons for cutting in Ancient Greece are bound to be different from the reasons for cutting today, which Lisa described to the letter.

I'm unable to express myself, I'm a very introverted person who is emotional unhinged from those around me. As a result of this I've a lot of pent up emotions. I don't need to cut myself for this.

YOU dont, but OTHERS feel the need to. Simple as that. You're assuming that everybody who is introverted deals with it the same way you do.

[Darkthoughts]

I saw a documentary today about a tribe in Africa, still relatively untouched and uninfluenced by modern society.

The main parallel the film crew drew was that, in this small society where everyone at every age, from adolescence up, had a role and a responsibility to the tribe - there was absolutely no teen angst of any form from the pre-pubescent to the adolescents. No rebelling, acting out, depression, because there was no age at which anyone felt excluded or that they didn't fit in in their daily life.

I thought of this discussion straight away when I was watching it...I also found it quite a sad reflection on our society.

[Daghain]

That's actually pretty interesting, and surprising. So apparently teen angst is a product of environment, then.

[Jean]

absolutely. You don't really go as far as to African tribes, only look back into history until very recent. Before teenagers started being regarded as a separate social group, their only role, responsibility, and purpose was to grow up.

[Mattrick]

I saw a documentary today about a tribe in Africa, still relatively untouched and uninfluenced by modern society.

The main parallel the film crew drew was that, in this small society where everyone at every age, from adolescence up, had a role and a responsibility to the tribe - there was absolutely no teen angst of any form from the pre-pubescent to the adolescents. No rebelling, acting out, depression, because there was no age at which anyone felt excluded or that they didn't fit in in their daily life.

I thought of this discussion straight away when I was watching it...I also found it quite a sad reflection on our society.

Well, that's relative to the hierchy of human needs. Their primary goals in life are to eat, survive, have the bare necessities and maybe some socialization. Our goals during adolescence vastly change. As we grow more used to our more barest essentials being an arms reach away our need to belong and be liked and appreciated will grow stronger.

Society to that African Tribe pretty much ends where their tribe ends. But our society stretches to all corners of our country, information at our fingertips, telecommunications. It's almost impossible to go a day without communicating with someone or being reminded of the world outside our own reach.

Not only are teenagers succeptable to insecurites but too an overwhelming array of facts that all add up to one big fact; they are powerless. There is no big world to explore; it can all be seen. I know more than I care to about the horrors that surround me. I can imagine it difficult to think people care about feeling out of place or alone when 9 year old kids are at war in some countries, famine and genocide is happening, losing of human rights...I imagine to teenagers their problems appear trivial in light of the world they perceive surrounding them and that is full of negativity.

[Jon]

I love how I'm supposed to refrain from upset gay people but gay people upset a lot of people simply by existing.
sometimes.

Man THIS is a real problem...do gay folks upset you?

Do you turn away from "Lesbian Porn?"

wtf, you're taking what I said out of context. Are you saying that raging Christians and southerners and racists wouldn't be ecstatic if all the gays just up and vanished? You obviously misread EVERYTHING I said as I've no problem with gay people at all, they can be gay, it doesn't affect me in the least.

But I agree, it IS a real problem. I'm unsure of why I've been singled out for calling something gay when people like THAT exist.

Perhaps I have misunderstood, but I continue to misunderstand. Your words or not...why repeat them?

I reckon you had a point I do not see though I read the entire thread...cry your pardon.

[Brice]

I'll just make one point here regarding the use of the word "gay" as slang for something lame...or "something you wouldn't want to do. It IS roughly equivalent to loosely using the words nigger or nigga as slang. It IS highly offensive and rude...especially in a forum where you don't know all the people you are talking with VERY well....whether on the internet or elsewhere. It is one thing to use such words amongst your friends. Noone can really do anything about that, but to use it in public just shows extreme ignorance and a lack of couth. It shows a lack of concern for those you're talking with which can only lead to them having as much/little regard for you as you have for them. I'm quite sure noone here knows if everyone here is/isn't black/white/latin/asian/gay/bi/ (there are some of all of those here) whatever. While to use the expression in such a manner isn't against any rule I'm aware of it does kinda' make people think you're an ass. Just please try to bear in mind people you don't know at all read this stuff. Please have some consideration for others.

[special k]

im not sure if anyone has posted the tickle me emo video but here it is

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