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    Hey, everybody. I've been trying to compile a list of the different printings of the Doubleday first editions. Eventually (late '87 or early '88), Doubleday started putting a number line on the copyright page. I've seen first editions of Carrie with a price of $16.95 and a 10th printing number line, a 13th printing of 'Salem's Lot ($19.95), and a 11th printing of Night Shift ($17.95), etc. So I figure if I keep logging the different prices/gutter codes I run across, I'll eventually be able to fill in all the gaps between the first printings and those later printings.

    I know this is all a super inexact science. Especially given the way people sometimes swap dust jackets, but I think with enough data, I should at least be able to get a pretty good idea. And I'm hoping maybe you all can help me fill in missing bits, correct things that aren't right, etc.

    Here's what I have so far:

    Carrie
    Gutter CodePricePrinting
    P65.951
    ………
    V87.95…
    W1610.95…
    Y4511.95…
    Z1613.95…
    Z4614.95…
    AA4215.95…
    BB115.95…
    …16.9510
    …17.9511

    'Salem's Lot
    Gutter CodePricePrinting
    Q377.951
    Q41……
    ………
    ………
    T428.95…
    V4011.95…
    ………
    Y3814.95…
    Z2215.95…
    Z?16.95…
    BB117.95…
    …18.95…
    …19.9513
    …19.9514

    The Shining
    Gutter CodePricePrinting
    R498.951
    S38.95…
    S108.95…
    S148.95…
    Z1014.95…
    Z3215.95…
    …16.95…
    ………
    AA2918.95…
    …19.95…

    Night Shift
    Gutter CodePricePrinting
    S528.951
    ………
    U188.95…
    ………
    ………
    ………
    Z?14.95…
    AA?15.95…
    BB?15.95…
    CC1?16.95…
    …17.9511

    The Stand
    Gutter CodePricePrinting
    T3912.951
    ………
    ………
    ………
    ………
    Y2915.95…
    Z517.95…
    Z2017.95…
    Z4618.95…
    AA2919.95…
    AA4819.95…
    BB5019.95…
    …19.9513
    …21.9514

    Pet Sematary
    Gutter CodePricePrinting
    Y3815.951
    Y4315.95…
    Y4515.95…
    …17.95…


    I've added blank lines where I think missing printings are likely to be, but a lot of that is just guess work at this point.

    For whatever reason, the biggest gaps seem to be between S-T and Y-Z ('77-'78 and '83-'84). I don't know if there was something going on in those years or just fewer copies being printed or what. Or maybe they didn't print anything for a while after he left for Viking? I don't know. But for several of the books, as you can see, there's a big jump in the middle from $8.95 to $14.95 where either there weren't many copies or I just haven't seen them.

    Anyway, I know this is information many people probably don't care about, but I just think it would be neat to know.

    I'd especially love to know if anyone has a copy of The Shining or Pet Sematary with a number line, because those are two I haven't come across yet, and without end points, I'm not even sure how many different printings I'm looking for.

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    I am not sure what you are looking for but my first ed Shining has an ISBN number line and so does my Pet Sematary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeDuke View Post
    I am not sure what you are looking for but my first ed Shining has an ISBN number line and so does my Pet Sematary.
    Not the ISBN. The later printings have a number line on the copyright page like what you see in most paperbacks, where the smallest number is the printing. Doubleday switched from gutter codes to number lines in the late '80s. I'm trying to find an example, but I don't have any images on hand. If I can find one, I'll post an example.

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    I have a thread about Doubleday gutter codes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daniel_pyle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MikeDuke View Post
    I am not sure what you are looking for but my first ed Shining has an ISBN number line and so does my Pet Sematary.
    Not the ISBN. The later printings have a number line on the copyright page like what you see in most paperbacks, where the smallest number is the printing. Doubleday switched from gutter codes to number lines in the late '80s. I'm trying to find an example, but I don't have any images on hand. If I can find one, I'll post an example.
    OH. OK. Sorry I miss-understood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randall Flagg View Post
    I have a thread about Doubleday gutter codes.
    I've seen that. It’s one of the conversations I perused while putting together my list. Very useful stuff there!

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeDuke View Post
    OH. OK. Sorry I miss-understood.
    No problem. I appreciate you chiming in! Here's an example of the $17.95 Carrie 11th printing for anyone else wondering:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Randall Flagg View Post
    I have a thread about Doubleday gutter codes.
    I can't find it : anybody got the link?
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    Quote Originally Posted by herbertwest View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Randall Flagg View Post
    I have a thread about Doubleday gutter codes.
    I can't find it : anybody got the link?
    Here you go: https://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?2139-Doubleday-gutter-code-theory

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    http://http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Gutter_code - this site has some good info as well

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    From my collection:
    Carrie, price $12.95 , No printing # listed, Gutter Code Y45 (p.s. fully bound in maroon cloth)
    Salem's Lot, price $11.95 , No printing # listed, Gutter Code V40
    The Shining, price $14.95 , No printing # listed, Gutter Code Z10
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeedfulKings View Post
    From my collection:
    Carrie, price $12.95 , No printing # listed, Gutter Code Y45 (p.s. fully bound in maroon cloth)
    Salem's Lot, price $11.95 , No printing # listed, Gutter Code V40
    The Shining, price $14.95 , No printing # listed, Gutter Code Z10
    Great! Thank you. I've updated the tables!

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    Thank you so much for putting together this resource.
    This has been super helpful as all the "Doubleday Years" titles in my collection are later printings. I have a $15.95 copy of "Night Shift" and a $19.95 "The Stand" but the gutter codes are not the ones you've listed there. Will send you a message as that might be helpful for you to fill in some blank spaces in the list.
    The copy that drives me crazy the most though is a copy of The Shining which has $19.95 on the dust jacket but there's no gutter code at all and no number line. There is however a barcode on the back cover that ends with >1995.
    Would you have any idea of what printing/copy would that be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guzmo84 View Post
    Will send you a message as that might be helpful for you to fill in some blank spaces in the list.
    Please do. The more data the better!

    Quote Originally Posted by Guzmo84 View Post
    The copy that drives me crazy the most though is a copy of The Shining which has $19.95 on the dust jacket but there's no gutter code at all and no number line. There is however a barcode on the back cover that ends with >1995.
    Would you have any idea of what printing/copy would that be?
    Part of what makes figuring this all out so difficult is that people/used booksellers have been known to swap dust jackets from one printing to another, so until you’ve seen certain combinations multiple times and started to put together the pattern, it’s all a mess. And Doubleday hasn’t shared any official records that I’ve ever been able to find. That and many sellers don’t know gutter codes are a thing and don’t show/mention them, so gathering the data and confirming it is a real slog. I’ve never seen a number line or a gutter code on a $19.95 copy of The Shining, but I’ve never been able to confirm if they’re missing or just not shown. I guess it’s possible there might have been a transitional period where they didn’t use either, but I haven’t run across any other examples like that. Sometimes the gutter codes are buried pretty deeply in the binding, so that could be the case too. Either way, based on what I’ve found so far, a $19.95 copy seems to be one of the last printings (if not the last printing) of the first edition before they switched to the new cover.

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    Also, I'm going to try to link printings to posts where possible/applicable, so just for the record, the later printings I personally own are:


    CarrieAA4215.95
    'Salem's LotBB117.95
    Night ShiftAA?15.95


    My copies of The Shining, The Stand, and Pet Sematary are all firsts.

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    my Salems has a gutter code of Q41
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    Quote Originally Posted by burgerhicks80 View Post
    my Salems has a gutter code of Q41
    Thanks! Do you have a price on your dust jacket?

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    Quote Originally Posted by daniel_pyle View Post
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    my Salems has a gutter code of Q41
    Thanks! Do you have a price on your dust jacket?
    I'm afraid not, it has a no jacket but judging by some of the info I've seen, its likely a second or 3rd edition with the same $7.95 price as it was released within the same year as the 1st edition just speculation of course
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    Quote Originally Posted by burgerhicks80 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by daniel_pyle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by burgerhicks80 View Post
    my Salems has a gutter code of Q41
    Thanks! Do you have a price on your dust jacket?
    I'm afraid not, it has a no jacket but judging by some of the info I've seen, its likely a second or 3rd edition with the same $7.95 price as it was released within the same year as the 1st edition just speculation of course
    Yeah, 2nd printing would be my guess. I've added it to the table. Hopefully we can confirm it eventually!

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    Quote Originally Posted by daniel_pyle View Post
    Also, I'm going to try to link printings to posts where possible/applicable, so just for the record, the later printings I personally own are:


    CarrieAA4215.95
    'Salem's LotBB117.95
    Night ShiftAA?15.95


    My copies of The Shining, The Stand, and Pet Sematary are all firsts.
    Thanks so much for the input and apologies for the slow reply. The later printings I own and some I've stumbled into while trying to improve my collection are:

    Carrie $17.95 on the DJ and and a stated 11th printing

    Salem’s Lot $8.95 on the DJ and a gutter code of T42

    Salem’s Lot with a price of $11.95 and a gutter code of V40

    Salem’s Lot with a price of $17.95 and a gutter code of BB1

    The Shining $19.95 on the DJ, no stated printing, no gutter code

    Night Shift with an $8.95 cover and a gutter code of U18

    Night Shift with an $15.95 cover and a code that starts with "B" (the rest is hidden)

    Night Shift with a $17.95 cover and a stated 11th printing

    The Stand with a $19.95 on the DJ cover and a and a gutter code of AA48

    I'm currently waiting for another copy of The Shining and a Pet Sematary, will send details about those ones as soon I'll receive them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guzmo84 View Post
    Thanks so much for the input and apologies for the slow reply. The later printings I own and some I've stumbled into while trying to improve my collection are:

    Carrie $17.95 on the DJ and and a stated 11th printing

    Salem’s Lot $8.95 on the DJ and a gutter code of T42

    Salem’s Lot with a price of $11.95 and a gutter code of V40

    Salem’s Lot with a price of $17.95 and a gutter code of BB1

    The Shining $19.95 on the DJ, no stated printing, no gutter code

    Night Shift with an $8.95 cover and a gutter code of U18

    Night Shift with an $15.95 cover and a code that starts with "B" (the rest is hidden)

    Night Shift with a $17.95 cover and a stated 11th printing

    The Stand with a $19.95 on the DJ cover and a and a gutter code of AA48

    I'm currently waiting for another copy of The Shining and a Pet Sematary, will send details about those ones as soon I'll receive them
    Great, thanks!

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    Just saw a BB1 copy of Carrie, so barring any evidence contradicting what we have so far, we're getting pretty close to filling that one in at least.

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