Suntup Editions

[Randall Flagg]

So, I think this type of uniform error has to be seen in relative terms and is something collector's need to accept as part of this hobby of ours.

I disagree, Without hearing from Paul what options are available, one can speak for themselves but not for everyone.



Quite frankly it's a simple fix. The expense is the shipping to and from the printer/binder. As long as Paul doesn't get stuck with the cost, it should be fixed for those who wish.



People were pretty adamant about the case discoloration for The Shining:
Rubbing Damage To S/L The Shining

[Priest]

People were pretty adamant about the case discoloration for The Shining:
Rubbing Damage To S/L The Shining

wasnt there another edition that had the unpleasant property to stick together with the book next to "it" on the shelf ?
I cant recall what that was...

[lotuz]

Are all copies affected, or is there an error variant now? :p

With the numbered, now there are three ink colors for the numbers and now error variants. Man, I feel bad if you are a hardcore completist!

WHAT SAY YOU? There are the black and red numbers - what is the other color, and for which books?

Forgive me, I have been avoiding all the pics and unboxing videos until I receive my copy, so this may have been covered in detail before...

[PennyUnwise]

Are all copies affected, or is there an error variant now? :p

With the numbered, now there are three ink colors for the numbers and now error variants. Man, I feel bad if you are a hardcore completist!

WHAT SAY YOU? There are the black and red numbers - what is the other color, and for which books?

Forgive me, I have been avoiding all the pics and unboxing videos until I receive my copy, so this may have been covered in detail before...

Supposedly initial numbers were in blue and then switched over to black after a certain amount. I have seen one person with blue on here, I believe HunchbackJack.

[HONKYTONKSMASH]

People were pretty adamant about the case discoloration for The Shining:
Rubbing Damage To S/L The Shining

That is different (IMO) Those copies were damaged(there were/are Fine copies available) while these are more in the production error whoopsadoodle department(seemingly all s/l affected).(Yes i realize that a production error of sorts led to the rubbing issues). If the theoretical fix is indeed easy peazy then sure..that would be great. I imagine it would be much more extensive than that.

[Brian861]

I say add a note of the error to the catalog and move one. Paul will work with those that need it fix.

[Father Cody]

As long as Paul doesn't get stuck with the cost, it should be fixed for those who wish.

Shouldn’t the books all be uniform, though? I know my mind is going to spin deciding which route I should take. If everyone was going to have it fixed then the decision would be easy. Same goes if everyone keeps it as is. I just don’t want to have the one that later on is decided to be the inferior variant.

[webstar1000]

People were pretty adamant about the case discoloration for The Shining:
Rubbing Damage To S/L The Shining

That is different (IMO) Those copies were damaged(there were/are Fine copies available) while these are more in the production error whoopsadoodle department(seemingly all s/l affected).(Yes i realize that a production error of sorts led to the rubbing issues). If the theoretical fix is indeed easy peazy then sure..that would be great. I imagine it would be much more extensive than that.

I agree. This was different. If memory serves me, the issue was corrected half way through shipping to no? Misery was all shipped with the page error.


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[Merlin1958]

So, I think this type of uniform error has to be seen in relative terms and is something collector's need to accept as part of this hobby of ours.

I disagree, Without hearing from Paul what options are available, one can speak for themselves but not for everyone.



Quite frankly it's a simple fix. The expense is the shipping to and from the printer/binder. As long as Paul doesn't get stuck with the cost, it should be fixed for those who wish.



People were pretty adamant about the case discoloration for The Shining:
Rubbing Damage To S/L The Shining

I only purchased the AE so I don't know if I have a horse in this race, but generally speaking (FWIW) I'd have to agree with, El Jefe here. That sounds like the prudent way to approach the issue at this point. Another observation is that I think we would all agree that knowing, Paul as we do he will do whatever the right thing to do is. Therefore, before hearing what he has to say after analyzing the situation everything else is just chatter. JMHO

[peripheral]

People were pretty adamant about the case discoloration for The Shining:
Rubbing Damage To S/L The Shining

That is different (IMO) Those copies were damaged(there were/are Fine copies available) while these are more in the production error whoopsadoodle department(seemingly all s/l affected).(Yes i realize that a production error of sorts led to the rubbing issues). If the theoretical fix is indeed easy peazy then sure..that would be great. I imagine it would be much more extensive than that.

I agree, the Shining case is different. That this was the kind of thing I was referring to in my original post - a "structural" kind of error which will degrade the integrity / quality of the book over time.

So, I think this type of uniform error has to be seen in relative terms and is something collector's need to accept as part of this hobby of ours.

I disagree, Without hearing from Paul what options are available, one can speak for themselves but not for everyone. [/URL][/B]

Yes, definitely. I had used "personally" and "in my opinion" twice in my original post, but I should have used it again prefixing my last sentence also - all just speaking for myself...

[C1TIZEN_X]

My copy has the pages misplaced as well.


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[Br!an]

Are all copies affected, or is there an error variant now? :p

With the numbered, now there are three ink colors for the numbers and now error variants. Man, I feel bad if you are a hardcore completist!

WHAT SAY YOU? There are the black and red numbers - what is the other color, and for which books?

Forgive me, I have been avoiding all the pics and unboxing videos until I receive my copy, so this may have been covered in detail before...

The numbered edition limitation page states that 185 copies are numbered in black and 15 numbered in red.

My copy is numbered in blue.

[Father Cody]

For the record, my interest in the value of this book, in terms of whether the error or fixed variant will be inferior, does not necessarily imply I’m looking to sell. It would just bug the hell out of me knowing my copy is not the “better one” the same way a NF copy of a first edition bugs me when I know there’s a Fine copy out there and I don’t have it. Value can be intrinsic, too. I imagine I’m not the only one who sees it that way.

[lotuz]

Supposedly initial numbers were in blue and then switched over to black after a certain amount. I have seen one person with blue on here, I believe HunchbackJack.

The numbered edition limitation page states that 185 copies are numbered in black and 15 numbered in red.

My copy is numbered in blue.

Ah... thanks for the info guys.

My numbered limitation is two digits so I will kindly request that Paul write one number in black and one number in blue and then add a red underline.

And while I'm making requests, can my remarque please be in full color?

Spoiler:

(Also just go ahead and have Barry Moser sign it)

[Brian861]

Are all copies affected, or is there an error variant now? :p

With the numbered, now there are three ink colors for the numbers and now error variants. Man, I feel bad if you are a hardcore completist!

WHAT SAY YOU? There are the black and red numbers - what is the other color, and for which books?

Forgive me, I have been avoiding all the pics and unboxing videos until I receive my copy, so this may have been covered in detail before...

The numbered edition limitation page states that 185 copies are numbered in black and 15 numbered in red.

My copy is numbered in blue.

Another note for the catalog.

[PennyUnwise]

For the record, my interest in the value of this book, in terms of whether the error or fixed variant will be inferior, does not necessarily imply I’m looking to sell. It would just bug the hell out of me knowing my copy is not the “better one” the same way a NF copy of a first edition bugs me when I know there’s a Fine copy out there and I don’t have it. Value can be intrinsic, too. I imagine I’m not the only one who sees it that way.

Don't be worried about that stuff! Just be content with the copies you have. There is always a better copy out there than yours, one which dust jacket or pages are crisper, cleaner, etc...

[zelig]

Thanks all for your positive energy today folks! Really means a lot to me. I will be sending an email to NE owners very soon.

The blue ink was my mistake. There's an errata sheet for this if you'd like to download and print for your files. It can be found here.

I think I'm going to rest now! Been a long day. Oh, and the Artist Gift Editions will start to ship this week.

[Father Cody]

For the record, my interest in the value of this book, in terms of whether the error or fixed variant will be inferior, does not necessarily imply I’m looking to sell. It would just bug the hell out of me knowing my copy is not the “better one” the same way a NF copy of a first edition bugs me when I know there’s a Fine copy out there and I don’t have it. Value can be intrinsic, too. I imagine I’m not the only one who sees it that way.

Don't be worried about that stuff! Just be content with the copies you have. There is always a better copy out there than yours, one which dust jacket or pages are crisper, cleaner, etc...

Good point! Thanks, PennyUnwise.

[MLG]

Not sure if it has been determined if the misplaced pages is on all the Limited copies or not but I checked and mine matches those described here.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

If we’re going to check Misery, we also have to put every other SL, from all publishers, through the same test and scrutiny. My bet is that many of our SLs contain some printing, editing and binding errors.

We do check every S/L from all the publishers and we record the findings in the catalog entry. Suntup's production failures/erratas etc should be accurately recorded just like any other publisher.

That's what make's the catalog the best, and most acurate in the world.

[shaq]

My initial comparison of the shining was more to point out that if there are issues with books, as a collector we can choose to live with it or not. It is a totally different issue but its more about people reactions.

Keep it, fix it or sell it. Mmm.

No biggy.

[herbertwest]

In my opinion, given that the books sells for a shy less than 10x the original price (limited edition) / 3 times (lettered), there should not be any reason to concern with that issue.
I understand that this is annoying, especially for Paul... but in the worst case, just sell your copy and you will even make a margin.

Obviously, it may not be the case if the market is suddenly flooded with copies. But still !

[stroppygoblin]

Thanks all for your positive energy today folks! Really means a lot to me. I will be sending an email to NE owners very soon.

The blue ink was my mistake. There's an errata sheet for this if you'd like to download and print for your files. It can be found here.

I think I'm going to rest now! Been a long day. Oh, and the Artist Gift Editions will start to ship this week.

If we’re going to check Misery, we also have to put every other SL, from all publishers, through the same test and scrutiny. My bet is that many of our SLs contain some printing, editing and binding errors.

We do check every S/L from all the publishers and we record the findings in the catalog entry. Suntup's production failures/erratas etc should be accurately recorded just like any other publisher.

That's what make's the catalog the best, and most acurate in the world.

I have updated the Catalog entry to include the information regarding Blue Ink. I will hold off updating anything regarding the misbound pages until Paul makes an official statement.

[jeffingoff]

For the record, my interest in the value of this book, in terms of whether the error or fixed variant will be inferior, does not necessarily imply I’m looking to sell. It would just bug the hell out of me knowing my copy is not the “better one” the same way a NF copy of a first edition bugs me when I know there’s a Fine copy out there and I don’t have it. Value can be intrinsic, too. I imagine I’m not the only one who sees it that way.

I really don't know all the ins and outs and I can only speak for myself. But if I had a NE, I'd keep it exactly as it was shipped. Even if everyone else sent theirs in to have the pages reformatted and rebound. This issue is part of the original Suntup story and getting it "fixed" would change that story. Unless it was a structural issue (like so many of my Grant editions!!!! ) then I'd leave it. Just my take on it. Of course, I'd be THRILLED to buy any copies that people felt were inferiror.

[peripheral]

Wouldn’t an official (but optional) publisher fix to these pages technically be a “second state”? Or a “rebound” state? I can’t see how it could be a first state.