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    Quote Originally Posted by R_of_G View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by John_and_Yoko View Post
    New Line now says movies are based on book only.
    so does that eliminate PJ from being involved in any way since he likes to add in his own material?
    Very funny.

    Of course, Peter Jackson's staying on as executive producer, he just won't be directing.

    Anyway, what I'd like to see is the first movie being an adaptation of the book, and the second being sort of a "mid-quel," taking place at the same time as the book, but showing Gandalf and other characters, and being more relevant to The Lord of the Rings.

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    As long as Ian McKellen reprises his role as Gandalf , I'll be happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feverishparade View Post
    As long as Ian McKellen reprises his role as Gandalf , I'll be happy.
    Me too--and he should. Peter Jackson said he HAD to play Gandalf, whether PJ directed or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John_and_Yoko View Post
    Anyway, what I'd like to see is the first movie being an adaptation of the book, and the second being sort of a "mid-quel," taking place at the same time as the book, but showing Gandalf and other characters, and being more relevant to The Lord of the Rings.
    there is plenty of written material by Tolkien about the time in between the Hobbit and LotR, so it could be done correctly. What I would most like to see is the time Aragorn spent in Minas Tirith and with the Rohirrim prior to the time of LotR and the hunt for Gollum.

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    This is great. Del Toro can give the Hobbit that childlike element that it needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R_of_G View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by John_and_Yoko View Post
    Anyway, what I'd like to see is the first movie being an adaptation of the book, and the second being sort of a "mid-quel," taking place at the same time as the book, but showing Gandalf and other characters, and being more relevant to The Lord of the Rings.
    there is plenty of written material by Tolkien about the time in between the Hobbit and LotR, so it could be done correctly. What I would most like to see is the time Aragorn spent in Minas Tirith and with the Rohirrim prior to the time of LotR and the hunt for Gollum.
    I just finished the audios of Hobbit/LoTR so I am even more excited now about these movies than I was before.
    I'd love to see these Aragorn years as well...maybe a bit of his time with Elrond too.

    Do you suppose del Toro will try to bring some of the Fellowship actors back? I read that only Gandalf and Gollum would be the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonteGss View Post
    Do you suppose del Toro will try to bring some of the Fellowship actors back? I read that only Gandalf and Gollum would be the same.
    Other than Bilbo, who would need to be much younger than he was in LotR, the Elrond is the only LotR character that would necessarily need to be re-used in a Hobbit movie.

    Depending on what they are going to to do for the second movie, there may be more repeated roles [Saruman and Galadriel for example if they wanted to do anything with the White Council].

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    Quote Originally Posted by R_of_G View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MonteGss View Post
    Do you suppose del Toro will try to bring some of the Fellowship actors back? I read that only Gandalf and Gollum would be the same.
    Other than Bilbo, who would need to be much younger than he was in LotR, the Elrond is the only LotR character that would necessarily need to be re-used in a Hobbit movie.

    Depending on what they are going to to do for the second movie, there may be more repeated roles [Saruman and Galadriel for example if they wanted to do anything with the White Council].
    Yes, of course. We do need Elrond.
    I was speculating on who they might need or want for that second movie. Will del Toro choose to focus on Gollum, Gandalf, Bilbo, Frodo...all of them? Hmmm.

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    Well, Frodo wasn't born yet, so obviously not him.

    But perhaps Arwen, Galadriel, Legolas, Gimli, etc....

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    Quote Originally Posted by John_and_Yoko View Post
    Well, Frodo wasn't born yet, so obviously not him.

    But perhaps Arwen, Galadriel, Legolas, Gimli, etc....
    Arwen was not involved in the Hobbit at all [in the books she was barely involved in LotR]. Gimli wasn't born yet, or if he was he was too young to be involved in Hobbit. Legolas is not mentioned though his father is the Elf-King [Thranduil] who imprisons the dwarves in the Hobbit. Galadriel is only necessary if they show the White Council. My point is, it can easily and faithfully be done without these characters who were not in the book anyway.

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    Obviously, but I think they wanted to bring back as many characters as they could--at least for the non-book parts.

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    What about Andy Serkis? Do you guys think he'll reprise his role as Gollum, Gollum, Gollum!! (?)


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    I sure as hell hope so!


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    Oh, wait, nevermind

    First Hobbit Casting
    McKellen, Serkis expected to return.

    by Stax
    April 28, 2008 - With Guillermo del Toro now officially confirmed as directing The Hobbit and a second film inspired by the works of J.R.R. Tolkien, industry attention is beginning to focus on who else will be involved with the long-awaited prequels to the Lord of the Rings trilogy. According to del Toro himself, two of the stars of Peter Jackson's Oscar-winning series will reprise their roles for his films.

    In an interview with The One Ring, del Toro said that "in the last few weeks I've been chatting with a ton of people via email, phone, and in person from the previous films. People like Andy Serkis, Sir Ian McKellen, Howard Shore, John Howe, Gino Acevedo, Richard Taylor next week I'm meeting Alan Lee. I'm doing this to ensure that whatever we do we keep continuity with the other films."

    He added, "I had the most charming meeting with Sir Ian, and all bureaucracy pending, he's on board, as is Andy Serkis. We will continue giving you progress reports as they occur. It is our intention that we will not lose any of the key elements."


    McKellen portrayed the wizard Gandalf, while Serkis played the monstrous Gollum. Both characters were first introduced in The Hobbit.

    Del Toro adds that pre-production on The Hobbit will begin this summer and that he will have to move to New Zealand for four years to make the movies.

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    Yay! Gandalf's back too - excellent!
    I'm also very glad they're going back to New Zealand


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    What's that you say? You want confirmation from Mckellen/Gandalf himself? Where here it is :

    April 30, 2008 - Director Guillermo del Toro recently revealed that Lord of the Rings star Sir Ian McKellen might return for The Hobbit, and now the actor himself has confirmed that he'll reprise his role as the wizard Gandalf for the prequel.

    "Yes, it's true," McKellen informed Empire Online. "I spoke to Guillermo in the very room that [Lord of the Rings director] Peter Jackson offered me the part and he confirmed that I would be reprising the role. Obviously, it's not a part that you turn down. I loved playing Gandalf."

    The Oscar nominee also spoke about del Toro's plans to shoot not only The Hobbit, but also a second film inspired by the works of J.R.R. Tolkien. "Well I've read The Hobbit so I've got a good idea of what the story would be," the actor said.

    McKellen continued, "But as to how it's going to work over two films and what's going to happen on screen, well Guillermo has not got down to working out the major details yet – I can tell you it's going to be amazing though."

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    Yay!
    Gooooood news!


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    Yes, great to hear both McKellen & Serkis are aboard.
    He really needs Elrond - so I assume he'll go after Hugo Weaving again for continuity?
    This 'second film' may provide a platform for a good few others to return though, depending on the direction of it. I can see scope for Sauruman, Galadriel, Aragorn, maybe Arwen?, Denethor?, Theoden? (though he'd be a lot younger when Aragorn rode with the host? (too young I think?)).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManOfWesternesse View Post
    ...Theoden? (though he'd be a lot younger when Aragorn rode with the host? (too young I think?)).
    i think he would have to be recast as it was a much younger Aragorn who rode with the Rohirrim so Richard Harris might be too old to be the younger more vibrant Theoden. Denethor could prob return as Denethor as his age is a little more indeterminate, but more of his story might balance out the atrocity of his characterization in the LotR movies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R_of_G View Post
    Denethor could prob return as Denethor as his age is a little more indeterminate, but more of his story might balance out the atrocity of his characterization in the LotR movies.
    Yes, Denethor was considered long-lived by the standards of Gondor so it could work.
    And yes, I was always a bit saddened at the very shallow treatment of his character in the Movies. With a little more investment in time & effort he could have been done more justice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManOfWesternesse View Post
    And yes, I was always a bit saddened at the very shallow treatment of his character in the Movies. With a little more investment in time & effort he could have been done more justice.
    exactly. denethor was stubborn and willful, but they portrayed him as one dimensional and boorish/crude which he certainly was not. they never bothered to show that he was made mad by what he saw in the palantir not bc he was just some psycho who wanted his son to die and was afraid to fight himself. he should have been given a much better portrayal.

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    Del Toro and Jackson invite you to An Unexpected Party

    http://movies.ign.com/articles/874/874267p1.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by feverishparade View Post
    Del Toro and Jackson invite you to An Unexpected Party

    http://movies.ign.com/articles/874/874267p1.html
    PJ's asking for questions from fans huh? My only question is "This time do you plan on sticking to the story as Tolkien wrote it or do you plan on inserting your own made up shit at the expense of Tolkien's material like you did with LotR"

    Thanks for posting Fev, now I have a question to go submit...

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    I really like that they're doing this... Now if they just listen to what the fans have to say, The Hobbit could be great.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Unfound One View Post
    I really like that they're doing this... Now if they just listen to what the fans have to say, The Hobbit could be great.
    all they have to do is follow the book and it will be just fine.

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