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  • Star Wars Episode V : The Empire Strikes Back

    14 51.85%
  • Aliens

    16 59.26%
  • Mad Max

    4 14.81%
  • The Thing

    7 25.93%
  • The Abyss

    9 33.33%
  • The Day the Earth Stood Still

    2 7.41%
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    Default Best Sci-fi Tournament - Round 3, Group F

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    Please choose UP TO 2 films to advance to the next round!










    What did you expect?

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    WOW! I got first comment AGAIN! LOL! LOL! LOL!

    This is just as easy:

    Aliens
    The Empire Strikes Back


    Take that shit to the bank! LOL!

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    Star Wars for me.
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    The Abyss
    The Thing
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    Oh fuck! Aliens and The Thing appearing in the same fucking round as Empire?!? Without Empire, it'd be easy to vote for both of them, but as it is...along with Empire, vote has to go for The Thing. JUST. Both films have claustrophobia and paranoia at certain parts, but The Thing has just a little bit more. Plus: the most disgusting alien life form ever shown on film. In so many interesting ways!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorDodge View Post
    Oh fuck! Aliens and The Thing appearing in the same fucking round as Empire?!? Without Empire, it'd be easy to vote for both of them, but as it is...along with Empire, vote has to go for The Thing. JUST. Both films have claustrophobia and paranoia at certain parts, but The Thing has just a little bit more. Plus: the most disgusting alien life form ever shown on film. In so many interesting ways!
    But isn't claustrophobia and paranoia elements for a Horror film rather than Sci-fi?

    As a Sci-fi film, Aliens wins by a mile.......

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    Not necessarily, in fact, those are elements I enjoy in a lot of genres. This is the interesting thing about science fiction - it's very, very hard to truly define what is and what isn't great science fiction based on that particular label alone.
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    The Thing is barely science fiction. It's an alien life form but in the end it's a monster movie. The most scientific they got in The Thing was using petrie dishes lol
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    Set on present day Earth, says nothing about present day society. Whereas Aliens goes further than its first chapter with the concealed plan to exploit the aliens. Clearly shows how corrupt and ruthlesss that future is.

    Sorry, DD, but "nobody understands sci-fi anyway" is a fallacious argument.

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    The Abyss should move all the way to the Finals along with The Day the Earth Stood Still. Two of the best sci-fi films of all tine, no contest.

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    Gosh, this is tough. Aliens is one of the best sci-fi films ever so it gets one of my votes.

    I'm not a total Star Wars fanboy like a lot of my generation, but it's hard to pass over The Empire Strikes Back. And The Thing is one of my all-time favorite films period--but, yeah, it's more of a horror.

    But The Abyss has just something more to it than battles in space and Yoda. So, yeah, The Abyss gets my second vote (even though I actually like The Thing better).

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    How does The Abyss have only a third of the votes so far? Shocking!

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    Aliens
    The Abyss

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    Quote Originally Posted by divemaster View Post
    I'm not a total Star Wars fanboy like a lot of my generation, but it's hard to pass over The Empire Strikes Back.
    Yup. Ep. V is one of those sequels that just got everything right. A natural progression of the previous chapter, a darker tone, higher stakes, better duels (Vader vs Luke on Cloud City is my favorite fight of the entire series), a startling revelation - it's a complete science fiction film.
    What did you expect?

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    But wait. Can you explain this? Luke leaves Hoth, flies to Dagobah, finds Yoda, studies the Force, has vision, and flies back. Meanwhile, Han and Leia fly through asteroids to Cloud City and spend one night there.

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    I call it, narrative contrivance! However if we go down that route, we could tumble the very pillars of cinema itself lol.
    What did you expect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fernandito View Post
    if we go down that route, we could tumble the very pillars of cinema itself lol.
    LOL - Very good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pathoftheturtle View Post
    Set on present day Earth, says nothing about present day society. Whereas Aliens goes further than its first chapter with the concealed plan to exploit the aliens. Clearly shows how corrupt and ruthlesss that future is.

    Sorry, DD, but "nobody understands sci-fi anyway" is a fallacious argument.
    I wasn't saying that. Just in my experience, what's generally termed as 'science fiction' has an incredibly broad label - some films or stories focus on telling something about our society, some focus on hard edged science ideas and exploring those ideas as realisticially as possible, and some focus on just being awesome! Wasn't trying to be patronising, just keeping in mind that my 4 favourite science fiction series are Firefly, Battlestar Galactica, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex and Doctor Who are all broadly labelled as science fiction, and every single one is a radically different take on the genre.

    Good points raised about Aliens and The Thing, anyway.
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    And I'm not saying The Thing is not science fiction. I just agree it would be nice to have sci-fi reasons to vote for it. Thanks for clarifying your point, anyway.

    P.S. Does anyone have better criticism of The Abyss than mine for ESB? Cause I may have to vote that way.

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    The only criticism - and I use the term loosely - regarding The Abyss is that it wasn't very memorable... however that may have more to do with my mindset and expectations at the time I watched it rather than any perceived short comings. I'll need to watch it again soon even though it appears its number may be up...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorDodge View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pathoftheturtle View Post
    Set on present day Earth, says nothing about present day society. Whereas Aliens goes further than its first chapter with the concealed plan to exploit the aliens. Clearly shows how corrupt and ruthlesss that future is.

    Sorry, DD, but "nobody understands sci-fi anyway" is a fallacious argument.
    I wasn't saying that. Just in my experience, what's generally termed as 'science fiction' has an incredibly broad label - some films or stories focus on telling something about our society, some focus on hard edged science ideas and exploring those ideas as realisticially as possible, and some focus on just being awesome! Wasn't trying to be patronising, just keeping in mind that my 4 favourite science fiction series are Firefly, Battlestar Galactica, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex and Doctor Who are all broadly labelled as science fiction, and every single one is a radically different take on the genre.

    Good points raised about Aliens and The Thing, anyway.
    For the purposes of this tournament I choose what the film is trying to do most. The Thing is trying much harder to be scary than science fiction and even Aliens is trying harder to be action than science fiction and I won't be giving it my vote against more science fiction focused films.
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    The Abyss should be right up there as a strong contender. I can't believe it's not doing better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heather19 View Post
    The Abyss should be right up there as a strong contender. I can't believe it's not doing better.
    Not against Aliens and The Empire Strikes Back, it shouldn't!

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    Aliens is an action movie, I agree. But The Abyss is actual sci-fi. And it's one of my favorite movies if all-time, and it's certainly one of the best sci-fi movies of all time. How wasn't it memorable? It's got some of the first uses of CGI in history, it mostly takes place underwater (how many sci-fi movies do?), and the aliens are benevolent and unique. The scene of the descent into the abyss is exceptionally tense, even on rewatch after rewatch. It was recently restored in HD final and I watched it on Cinemax and had goosebumps same as back in '89. It's a tremendous film, easily Cameron's best, but since film is subjective I can understand that not everyone will have it impact them equally.

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