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    Quote Originally Posted by Curly View Post
    I thought this thread was about Stephen King. Can the mods move these posts somewhere more appropriate?
    This ties into King's Twitter account.
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    The revolution eats its own. Some people have to find out the hard way. They pontificate in the erroneous belief that everyone agrees as they do and demand that others apologize or be driven from society, then they step in it themselves and are chased by the mob. It would be humorous if it wasn't so sad.
    I take it you agree with her comments as well? Why not just say you do? Otherwise I don’t know why you would be outraged that someone is getting criticized for transphobia.

    She’s still a hugely successful author. No one is burning her books. They’re not closing down her theme park, cancelling her movies or upcoming video games based on her work.

    But yes because she’s bigoted towards a marginalized group of people others are going to condemn her. That’s how it works. Stop acting like she’s a victim.
    LOL. My point is that the mob can and will eventually find something they don't like about everyone. If you go after them like the villagers marching on Frankenstein's castle any time that they offer a point of view that varies from the PC police, it will have an unfortunate chilling effect. You already have many good people who are scared to say anything for fear of offending someone. That is not a healthy situation. She expressed an opinion. Big deal. No one needs her approval to go about their life as they see fit. What this is really about is trying to coerce society into accepting a certain world view and silencing any contrary opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardX View Post
    You already have many good people who are scared to say anything for fear of offending someone.
    Easy solution to this is to not be an asshole and say offensive things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Br!an View Post
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    I thought this thread was about Stephen King. Can the mods move these posts somewhere more appropriate?
    This ties into King's Twitter account.
    Precisely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardX View Post
    LOL. My point is that the mob can and will eventually find something they don't like about everyone. If you go after them like the villagers marching on Frankenstein's castle any time that they offer a point of view that varies from the PC police, it will have an unfortunate chilling effect. You already have many good people who are scared to say anything for fear of offending someone. That is not a healthy situation. She expressed an opinion. Big deal. No one needs her approval to go about their life as they see fit. What this is really about is trying to coerce society into accepting a certain world view and silencing any contrary opinions.
    There are plenty of contrary opinions that aren’t attacking marginalized people from a position of status. You either don’t get that or you agree with what Rowling said but don’t want to admit it for some reason. She's even liking tweets supporting conversion therapy. You really don't get why people who support trans rights would take an issue with that?
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    Rowland isn’t a victim here?

    If you posted some opinions online that other people found offensive ...

    ... and their response was to go back over every single thing you had posted online in the last 25 years, looking for the most ignorant and bigoted thing you have ever said, things that you no longer believe ...

    ... sometimes taking statements and ideas out of context, and deliberately misinterpreting them in order to make you look as hateful as possible ...

    ... and they then made videos about those posts, and posted quotes and summaries and interpretations of those quotes for the sole purpose of showing the world what a terrible person you were ...

    ... would you feel victimized?

    I can disagree with Rowling’s position on whether trans women are women, and also think that the reaction to those statements are unreasonable and unfair to her.

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    The overwhelming amount of reaction I have seen has been to her most recent manifesto. Not saying that people haven’t tried digging up dirt from twenty-five years ago and made YouTube videos of it but it’s not widespread. I certainly haven’t seen any major publications or even fringe sites discussing something that far back.

    She wrote a lengthy essay that no one asked for during Pride Month. That’s when she received the brunt of the blowback. People have known she was a terf for a while now and while it was always in the background there was more backlash over Johnny Depp being in her film.

    I do think cancel culture can be ridiculous especially if you’re digging up offensive jokes made ten years ago but in this case she’s a public figure making controversial statements and getting flack for it.
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    My “25 years ago“ comment was referring to her Harry Potter books. People have been going back through them and finding “evidence“ of anti-Semitism (goblins), pro slavery (house elves), racism against Chinese people (the Cho Chang character) and so on. Utter nonsense, of course, but that doesn’t stop people from using their own ignorant interpretations of her work as grounds for character assassination.

    Responding to the comments that she’s making today, and showing how they are hurtful and ignorant, is something I support. But this poring over her past work in order to “prove” she’s a terrible person, and therefore wrong, just seems like a bunch of people who loved her work taking revenge on her because of her views.
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    Well those controversies had been there for years long before the trans controversy happened. I remember defending the use of house elves in regards to slavery (as yes its obviously not pro-slavery) way back in the early 2000s. And these things have been discussed on/off throughout the years for different reasons. I.E. Cho Chang was discussed a bit after Rowling revealed Voldemort's pet snake used to be an Asian woman in the last 'Fantastic Beasts' film for example which caused a bit of controversy.

    But yes I agree trying to retroactively cancel her over stuff like that is stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardX View Post
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    The revolution eats its own. Some people have to find out the hard way. They pontificate in the erroneous belief that everyone agrees as they do and demand that others apologize or be driven from society, then they step in it themselves and are chased by the mob. It would be humorous if it wasn't so sad.
    I take it you agree with her comments as well? Why not just say you do? Otherwise I don’t know why you would be outraged that someone is getting criticized for transphobia.

    She’s still a hugely successful author. No one is burning her books. They’re not closing down her theme park, cancelling her movies or upcoming video games based on her work.

    But yes because she’s bigoted towards a marginalized group of people others are going to condemn her. That’s how it works. Stop acting like she’s a victim.
    LOL. My point is that the mob can and will eventually find something they don't like about everyone. If you go after them like the villagers marching on Frankenstein's castle any time that they offer a point of view that varies from the PC police, it will have an unfortunate chilling effect. You already have many good people who are scared to say anything for fear of offending someone. That is not a healthy situation. She expressed an opinion. Big deal. No one needs her approval to go about their life as they see fit. What this is really about is trying to coerce society into accepting a certain world view and silencing any contrary opinions.
    This is why, even though I never comment on social media besides this site, my family and I are deleting all Facebook/Twitter accounts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mae View Post
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    You already have many good people who are scared to say anything for fear of offending someone.
    Easy solution to this is to not be an asshole and say offensive things.
    Yes, I'm sure that is what is being done by suggesting everyone with a contrary point of view to the PC mob is evil, stupid or a bigot. LOL. That used to be called bullying by the very folks now who are dishing this out. I disagree with almost everything that Stephen King posts. He comes off as a petulant, hypocrite but I don't suggest that because I disagree with his political views that he is evil and should be silenced. He is probably well intentioned in his own misguided way. I don't know him personally to judge or really even care. His views on politics are of no importance to me. So maybe relax. Life is short. Pick your bad guys/girls or whatever carefully. It's not a race to the end.

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    I'm going to request (not demand), that any additional discussion be posted in the correct forum/thread.
    Look around, there are several threads.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mae View Post
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    You already have many good people who are scared to say anything for fear of offending someone.
    Easy solution to this is to not be an asshole and say offensive things.
    There's a difference between saying something that someone with a differing opinion might consider offensive vs saying something truly offensive. Unfortunately in the the current climate it all gets lumped together and anyone offering contrary argument or opinion on sensitive topics are immediate labeled (racist, xenophobe, supremist etc take your pick) and excoriated making healthy and productive discussions very difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Mears View Post
    There's a difference between saying something that someone with a differing opinion might consider offensive vs saying something truly offensive.
    Who makes that call as to what is truly offensive and what someone might just consider to be offensive?

    If a trans person is offended at JK Rowling attacking transgender people should a cis person be the one to say “there’s nothing wrong with that, get over it”?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberGhostface View Post
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    There's a difference between saying something that someone with a differing opinion might consider offensive vs saying something truly offensive.
    Who makes that call as to what is truly offensive and what someone might just consider to be offensive?
    Good question. These days it seems to be anyone with an online platform who wants to be judge and jury.

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    Yeah the whole “what’s the big deal, just ignore her, you’re persecuting her for her opinions” is just disingenuous especially when you factor in that Rowling is probably the biggest living author who has a huge platform to spread her views. If people agree with her (and I suspect some here do) then just say it so we know where you stand.
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    Not to drag this debate out for much longer, we should probably move on, but I can say that as a trans person it does offend immensely. Her long essay is full of inaccuracies and falsehoods when attempting to provide facts. This is why I posted that long video earlier which goes over it statement by statement and provides clarification and education. One of the analogies for the bathroom situation she brings up is saying that allowing black women into these bathrooms will endanger white women. It's nonsense and fear-mongering. But we live in a time when facts are up for debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy View Post
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    There's a difference between saying something that someone with a differing opinion might consider offensive vs saying something truly offensive.
    Who makes that call as to what is truly offensive and what someone might just consider to be offensive?
    Good question. These days it seems to be anyone with an online platform who wants to be judge and jury.
    As someone that has been denied their identity in life by religion, family members, politicians and members of the community, I can say that THAT is truly offensive. Denying trans folks their identities because you have a contrary POV is rather heinous.
    Not sure if you are directing your response to me. If so, my comments were a general observation about the judgmental nature of the online world and the risks that are inherent with voicing a contrary opinion and not about the current JK Rowling conversation in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardX View Post
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    You already have many good people who are scared to say anything for fear of offending someone.
    Easy solution to this is to not be an asshole and say offensive things.
    Yes, I'm sure that is what is being done by suggesting everyone with a contrary point of view to the PC mob is evil, stupid or a bigot. LOL. That used to be called bullying by the very folks now who are dishing this out. I disagree with almost everything that Stephen King posts. He comes off as a petulant, hypocrite but I don't suggest that because I disagree with his political views that he is evil and should be silenced. He is probably well intentioned in his own misguided way. I don't know him personally to judge or really even care. His views on politics are of no importance to me. So maybe relax. Life is short. Pick your bad guys/girls or whatever carefully. It's not a race to the end.
    Great post.

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    I wonder how many of the people suggesting we should just ignore Rowling for her using her celebrity status to undermine a marginalized group will do the same next time King insults Trump or Republicans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberGhostface View Post
    I wonder how many of the people suggesting we should just ignore Rowling for her using her celebrity status to undermine a marginalized group will do the same next time King insults Trump or Republicans.
    Not the same thing. Republicans are not a marginalised group any more or less than Democrats.

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