That Thing, You Can Only Talk About If You've Finished the Series

**aurora** · 02-28-2008 11:09 AM

No actually I don't even think he 'forgot' to pick up the Horn. I think he left it there intentionally to honor his love for Cuthbert and maybe to a lesser degree the fall of Inner-World (The Baronies.)

I do believe that Roland needs it at the top of the Tower to save himself. To me it represents his ability to reconcile the fact that he can;t control everything. The loss of his friends were in a quest to save the multi-verse in and they sought the same battle their own right and that tragedy must occur and loss of friends is due to their choice and not entirely through Rolands device. I believe Roland traps himself in the loops because he can't escape the sorrow of the loss of his friends while he believes his task is to save the multi-verse which is incomprehensible.

I actually wrote a lot more about my thoughts of this in another thread. But I will agree this is not Rolands first and maybe not 101st trip around the loop. I do believe its up to Roland to escape it and maybe, just maybe he will evolve to that point.

Interestingly his trips through the loop(s) may be to make him evolve to understand what Gan and the Prim really are and only after doing so will be capable of grasping the concept of the infinity of the multi-verse and by thus doing so allows a balance to be forged between the magic of the Prim and the technology of man. Thus being capable of doing what he believes he's doing by overcoming his own personal chaos, loss of loved ones versus saving the incomprehensible multi-verse.

**mia/susannah** · 03-25-2008 04:44 AM

I am currently rereading The Dark Tower series. We know that at the end of the 7th book, Roland has to repeat his quest. My question is how many times do you think he has repeated his quest for the tower? I would just like some input. Thanks for your interest.

**Letti** · 03-25-2008 05:04 AM

19

**alinda** · 03-25-2008 05:09 AM

Thats a good answer Letti, but I would have
said at least once more....

**Bev Vincent** · 03-25-2008 05:19 AM

Delah

**Letti** · 03-25-2008 05:22 AM

Originally Posted by Bev Vincent

Delah

This is the only answer I am not able to accept.

**mia/susannah** · 03-25-2008 05:25 AM

Originally Posted by Bev Vincent

Delah

Forgive me for being stupid, but what does delah mean?

**alinda** · 03-25-2008 05:29 AM

many?

**Ka-tet** · 03-25-2008 05:36 AM

Im just gonna throw a thought that came to me right now xD

Im gonna say 18, i think on his 19th time round he will complete his quest...

**Wuducynn** · 03-25-2008 05:39 AM

Originally Posted by Bev Vincent

Delah

**Jean** · 03-25-2008 05:44 AM

the theory I adhere to (in my lifetime it was first proposed by Taheen74 at .net, about three years ago) is that the cycle we're reading about is the 19th, and that's why 19 is everywhere; thus, the next will be the 20th (I hope, the last one, too).

**Bev Vincent** · 03-25-2008 05:51 AM

Delah = many. Roland has been through it many times before and King told me he believes Roland will have to go through it many more times again. Unlike the episode of Kingdom Hospital where one time fixes all, he told me that was TV--in real life, people only improve in small increments.

**mia/susannah** · 03-25-2008 06:11 AM

Thanks for the input and for explaining delah. I know I should have remebered that. I would say he has done it 19 times as well

**Letti** · 03-25-2008 06:13 AM

Oh damn I thought delah meant infinite...

**alinda** · 03-25-2008 06:16 AM

I've only seen a couple of episodes of Kingdom Hospital.
This has me wanting to see some more tho'. Is this mention
of a particular episode?

Originally Posted by Bev Vincent

Delah = many. Roland has been through it many times before and King told me he believes Roland will have to go through it many more times again. Unlike the episode of Kingdom Hospital where one time fixes all, he told me that was TV--in real life, people only improve in small increments.

**Bev Vincent** · 03-25-2008 06:59 AM

Yes, there was a later episode about a baseball player who lived in shame because he goofed an easy play that lost the world series for the Red Sox (based on the real-life error by Bill Buckner in 1987). He gets a chance at a do-over.

**Storyslinger** · 03-25-2008 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by Letti

19

Hear, Hear!

**mia/susannah** · 03-25-2008 08:42 AM

Thanks for the input everyone. It has been along time since I read the series and now that I have started rereading it, alot of things are coming back to me.

**Wuducynn** · 03-25-2008 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by mia/susannah

Thanks for the input everyone. It has been along time since I read the series and now that I have started rereading it, alot of things are coming back to me.

Is this your first re-read?

**Erin** · 03-25-2008 04:02 PM

While I really like the idea of the series being Roland's 19th loop, for some reason, I still feel like it is many many more than that. No particular passage or part backs me up, I just feel like he's been at it for a long, long time.

**Wuducynn** · 03-25-2008 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Erin

While I really like the idea of the series being Roland's 19th loop, for some reason, I still feel like it is many many more than that. No particular passage or part backs me up, I just feel like he's been at it for a long, long time.

I feel the same. Its just a gut feeling. Delah.

**asamorris** · 03-25-2008 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by Erin

While I really like the idea of the series being Roland's 19th loop, for some reason, I still feel like it is many many more than that. No particular passage or part backs me up, I just feel like he's been at it for a long, long time.

i agree. especially when the katet get to the calla, and they talk about how gilead fell 1000 years ago.

but, then again, does walter make roland sleep for 6 hundred years each time they palaver? if so, that "1000" years thing only works once and then a little. twice if you cut it down to the original 500. idk.

in surrender, i say 19. OR, let me fuck things up and say 99. if 99 is not total delah, idk what is.

**mia/susannah** · 03-25-2008 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by All_Hail_The_Crimson_King

Originally Posted by mia/susannah

Thanks for the input everyone. It has been along time since I read the series and now that I have started rereading it, alot of things are coming back to me.

Is this your first re-read?

Yes, sadly it is. It actually took me finally getting away and getting a divorce from my ex-husband for me to be able to collect these books. He was a very abusive and controlling asshole and did not want me to enjoy anything that did not revolve around him.

**Unfound One** · 03-25-2008 05:12 PM

Yeah, I'm with Ka-Tet up there - this was his 18th and now that he has the horn he can finally complete his quest for the 19th and final time.
*knocks on wood*

**Letti** · 03-25-2008 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by Erin

While I really like the idea of the series being Roland's 19th loop, for some reason, I still feel like it is many many more than that. No particular passage or part backs me up, I just feel like he's been at it for a long, long time.

I see your point but we mustn't forget that Roland was incredibly old when he reached the Tower. I mean he wasn't about 50. He had a damn long life anyway. And from such a long (and painful) life 19 sounds a lot to me. Almost endless.

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