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  • DS9

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  • voyager

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  1. #326
    Going Slap Happy Mattrick has a brilliant future Mattrick has a brilliant future Mattrick has a brilliant future Mattrick has a brilliant future Mattrick has a brilliant future Mattrick has a brilliant future Mattrick has a brilliant future Mattrick has a brilliant future Mattrick has a brilliant future Mattrick has a brilliant future Mattrick has a brilliant future Mattrick's Avatar

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    Quote Originally Posted by mae View Post
    Still a worthy undertaking. Studios remaster in HD as much as they can all the time, and blu-ray sales are no longer really a thing (except for very limited editions). But streaming in HD and 4K is the future, and how does Paramount+ see their platform growing the Star Trek brand, when some of the most beloved entries in its franchise look like poo?
    They know Trek fans will watch it regardless of the quality so it's just a loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunchback Jack View Post
    TNG also benefitted from having almost all the ship and space shots done with models, on film, so those shots could be used for the HD version, with only the visual effect highlights redone.

    DS9 and VOY used much more CG for ships and space shots, which was all rendered in SD. So all those shots would need to be completely recreated *exactly*. A significantly more expensive undertaking.

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    They have to redo all visual effects regardless anyways if they weren't done before the camera. They transferred an the film to magnetic tape and then did Vis. Effects on the tape, so they couldn't upgrade them if they wanted to
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    Iíd love it if they would do it, and I agree that these series merit restoration but itís a cost to revenue problem.

    Itís relatively easy and inexpensive to remaster something like Friends or The X-Files, because they have very few visual effects, and they were shot on film. These series are insanely popular, and people will stay subscribed to rewatch episodes.

    Something like DS9 will be far more expensive to remaster, and probably wonít bring in that many more subscribers - or retain existing ones - just because itís available in HD rather than SD. As enthusiastic as fans are about these series, they never reached the popularity of TNG, let alone a Friends or Seinfeld.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattrick View Post
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    TNG also benefitted from having almost all the ship and space shots done with models, on film, so those shots could be used for the HD version, with only the visual effect highlights redone.

    DS9 and VOY used much more CG for ships and space shots, which was all rendered in SD. So all those shots would need to be completely recreated *exactly*. A significantly more expensive undertaking.

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    They have to redo all visual effects regardless anyways if they weren't done before the camera. They transferred an the film to magnetic tape and then did Vis. Effects on the tape, so they couldn't upgrade them if they wanted to
    Yes, all the visual effects in TNG needed to be redone, because they were done in post production, in SD. But the shots of the ships themselves didnít, because they were models shot on film. The glow of the nacelles and the impulse engines, for example, needed to be recreated and added to those model shots, but the whole shot didnít need to be re-created from scratch in CG.

    Not only are there many more effects shots in the later series, many of the space scenes were completely CG rendered, in SD. So re-creating whole sequences again - including HD renders of the ships, not just recreating the highlights - adds to the cost as compared to TNG.

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    Man that Duets episode of DS9. Forgot how powerful it was.
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    DS9 is my second favorite ST series.
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    I hate to say it, but Iím done with new TV Trek.

    I was really looking forward to watching Strange New Worlds, but the second series of Picard has soured all new Trek for me. Like the seasons and shows before it, Picard season 2 started with a promising premise, but was weighed down by too many characters and subplots by mid-season, and collapsed into a narrative mess by the final episode.

    I know strange new worlds has been getting rave reviews, but as promising as the series trailer was, the few clips of the actual show Iíve seen have not impressed.

    Iíve tried liking these new shows. I donít need them to be the same as the old Trek of 30 years ago, but I would like them to be engaging and smart, with characters I like, can relate to, and admire. You know - good TV. But they are just so poorly-written and, well, dumb - and they seem to be getting worse, not better.

    I canít help compare it to new Star Wars streaming series which - while never as ideas-driven as Trek - at least have a coherent story arc and likable characters.
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    Hey, guys. You know what? I was today years old when I figured out that James T. Kirk would probably not have become the youngest Captain in history of the Federation a few years before his first appearance on Star Trek (1966) if John F. Kennedy had not in 1961 become the youngest President in the history of the United States.

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