Why Different For Susannah?
Here is my question... Eddie, Jake and Susannah all depart from the tale in DT-7. Though they all wind up in the same place [and presumably Oy will as well], why do you feel that Eddie & Jake needed to physically die in one world while Susannah was able to just ride the Ho-Fat Taxi through a door? I have my theories, but I am interested in hearing some of yours first.
I thought it was because of Eddie and Jake being representations of Roland's earlier ka-tet, that they should die in much of the same way. Didn't Cuthbert get shot in the eye, much like Eddie did?
That'd only cover Eddie really. Eddie's death was in some ways reminiscent of Bert's, but so far as I can see, Jake's death is not similar to Alain's [thank Gan for that, I couldn't take seeing that happen again].Originally Posted by Storyslinger
also, Roland thinks that it's Susannah who reminds him of Alain (not Jake). The Waste Lands:That'd only cover Eddie really. Eddie's death was in some ways reminiscent of Bert's, but so far as I can see, Jake's death is not similar to Alain's [thank Gan for that, I couldn't take seeing that happen again].
"What's wrong with you, Roland? Why you want to go recallin that trash in my mind?"
Now the sullen eyes glinted at him dangerously; they reminded him of Alain's
eyes when good-natured Alain was finally roused.
(...)
Roland paid no attention to this; he was coming to understand that Eddie's jokes and clowning were his way of dealing with stress. Cuthbert had not been much different ... as Susannah was, in her way, not so different from Alain.
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That is true Jean, though Roland also makes several observations of Jake which also remind him of his original ka-mate, particularly concerning "the touch."also, Roland thinks that it's Susannah who reminds him of Alain (not Jake). The Waste Lands:That'd only cover Eddie really. Eddie's death was in some ways reminiscent of Bert's, but so far as I can see, Jake's death is not similar to Alain's [thank Gan for that, I couldn't take seeing that happen again].
"What's wrong with you, Roland? Why you want to go recallin that trash in my mind?"
Now the sullen eyes glinted at him dangerously; they reminded him of Alain's
eyes when good-natured Alain was finally roused.
(...)
Roland paid no attention to this; he was coming to understand that Eddie's jokes and clowning were his way of dealing with stress. Cuthbert had not been much different ... as Susannah was, in her way, not so different from Alain.
I don't buy into the notion that there are direct and exclusive connections between the original tet and the 19 tet. To me the similarities are ka putting the same kinds of people in Roland's path, not literally the same people.
That's my take on it too
I believe that Cuthbert got shot through the eye with an arrow.
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It would have made much more sense to me if Jake wasn't there. He's the only one that died in the "Keystone earth"...
There are other worlds than these...
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I agree with this. Jake dies in the keystone world and they kept saying that was final. So he should be gone, though I hate that. If he was to live on any plain he would do everything to get back to Roland, it was what he was about through and through.
As for Suzannah, I will piss many off for saying this but I thought she was selfish and self rightous and she renounced the tower and in turn spit in Roland, Eddie, Jake and Oy's face by doing so. They all gave their lives for the tower and what it stood for as well as what Roland stood for. Roland understood and went on in their names. Suzannah knew she would die if she continued because she knew Roland had to breach the tower alone, it was his Ka. So she chose to abandon him and the idea. Just like she blamed him for everything whenever something bad happened.
Alain fell under Roland and Bert's guns, right? A case of mistaken identity.
Jake's first death is similiar to Alain's though, Jake was killed by someone he trusted, just as Alain was killed by Bert and Roland.
How is Jake's first/second death a case of mistaken identity? I'm missing somethong here...
[QUOTE=Kevin;79556]Jake's first death is similiar to Alain's though, Jake was killed by someone he trusted, just as Alain was killed by Bert and Roland.[QUOTE=Kevin;79556]
Both of those statements are true, but only Jake's death in place of Sai King matters to me as far as this question. Simply put, why did Jake and Eddie and Oy have to die to get to their final New York while Susannah did not?
It could easily be chalked up as being because Susannah ultimately renounced the Tower, while the others died still in pursuit. It could also be argued that Ka put Susannah through more than enough with the whole Mordred pregnancy.
I really love this, and it makes perfect sense to me.
Actually, Jake's first and last death are similar too. Both by car
Susannah crossed into NY with memories of the Ka-tet. Even though they were fading, she still knew that the three of them (4 if you include Oy) needed to be together.
I don't know if that's "THE" reason, but it does mean something.
It only explains why Susannah recognizes Jake & Eddie when she first arrives there, not why her path to that when was different than theirs.
True. That said, had her path been the same as theirs, they likely would not have been reunited, as she would not know them at all. I don't think King could have passed her off as their sister.
It is a great question! One of so many that this journey brings up. One more reason for me to read it again and again!!!!
Why not? Eddie & Jake died at different points and in two completely different worlds and they managed to find each other on that level.
That's actually forming another good question. Since they (Eddie and Jake) did die at different times, on different levels, how did they become brothers in the new NY???
In reality, maybe King thought it would seem too "convenient" to just kill everyone off so Roland could reach his tower alone. This was one more way to remove a member of the ka-tet--and at the same time foster a reunion of sorts on the other side.
Your theory of her renouncing the tower would definitely be a deeper answer to the question "why?".
I like to think this was ka's reward for their standing and being true.
Well said!I like to think this was ka's reward for their standing and being true.
I considered those two a "jake and eddie" from an alternate universe or another level of the tower, if you will.
Basically, Susannah got to go to that one place where they actually were brothers (not keystone by any stretch of the imagination) and Eddie never had the monkey.
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Interesting theory Matt and certainly a possibility.
The more I think about it, the more I wonder about your theory Matt. Would an alternate Eddie, one without the history of our Edward Cantor Dean be the same man Susannah was in love with? What each of them went through made them the two people who fell in love on the shore of the Western Sea. King is intentionally unclear as to just who this Eddie and Jake are, but it is not without possibility that they just don't remember who they were before.
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