?????????????? Oh no... the gates have opened ?Originally Posted by Jean
What do you mean by this oh wisest of the bears? Are you serious?
?????????????? Oh no... the gates have opened ?
What do you mean by this oh wisest of the bears? Are you serious?
The answer is within
all matter is energy, all energy is GOD
yes. I don't think a woman can ever be as single-minded as a man when things other than people are concerned. If something is for a woman so big that it replaces the whole existence, it is either her child, or her man, or herself - but it is a human being. Otherwise she is usually a more... can't find the right word - generous soul than a man. That explains, by the way, why there are so (comparatively) few women among great artists or scientists: not because women are less talented or intelligent, but because they are very rarely willing to sacrifice the whole infinite richness of life for something as unimportant as scientific truth or a few colors on a canvas. For a human being - maybe; but not for an abstraction, or career, or mankind as a whole, or an idea etc
(thank God for that last, by the way. The experience has shown that when women still do chose something single over everything else, they are so much bigger fanatics than men that sometimes the mind fails to comprehend such extent of fanaticism, both cruelty and self-sacrificing included)
woman is of the whole, not of a part
man is usually someone who fails to see the forest behind the trees (and can destroy the forest trying to save a tree); women very seldom. That's, by the way, I think what is called "women's intuition" is based upon. The synthesis is more important than the abstraction. The old "emotional vs. rational" is bullshit; female vs. male is whole vs. parts.
Ask not what bears can do for you, but what you can do for bears. (razz)
When one is in agreement with bears one is always correct. (mae)
bears are back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Okay, well you've managed to answer that quite well.
*all wind has escaped the sails* Smiles again, cuz I
think your right (again) lets resume the Susannah
aspects then shall we?
The answer is within
But Susannah only tagging along to get what she wanted out of the journey, kinda seems sort of a bitch thing to do. I mean she only went along with something and left off when it was convient (sp) for her and she got all she wanted and didn't want to stay and see how the rest of the journey unfolded.
Opinion in politics, and politics, is an evil which has caused many a fellow to be hung while he’s still young and pretty.
Susannah chose the door because she had nothing to lose.
Roland would have understood.
But I thought she wanted to see the Tower with Roland though...
Opinion in politics, and politics, is an evil which has caused many a fellow to be hung while he’s still young and pretty.
Yes, she did but with Eddie's death lots of things changed in her.But I thought she wanted to see the Tower with Roland though...
Don't forget that it was hard for Roland, too to take care of King when Jake was dying, he wanted to be next to Jake but he couldn't because he didn't want to make Jake's death pointless. That's why he spent that time with King.
Roland had to go on to give meaning to each death he met or caused. Susannah's situation was very different.
(But don't think I wasn't shocked when she left, in fact I was incredibly angry with her and I still am even if I might know the reasons.)
Roland would have understood.
I think Susannah just knew how to "prioritize". Sure she wanted to see the Tower but it was clear all along that the reason she was tagging along is because she loved Eddie. And I agree with Jean, I believe women are not as likely to throw away everything in a "tunnel vision" kind of thing for an inanimate object. People yes, the Tower, no.
I think this does coincide with Susan too because had she and Roland remained together, she would not have understood the Tower either.
Not that women can't grasp...imo they are deeper than men for the most part.
The kindness of close friends is like a warm blanket
exactly what I meant. One doesn't have to be "deep" to let something grow out of proportion, which is what a man would so often do
Ask not what bears can do for you, but what you can do for bears. (razz)
When one is in agreement with bears one is always correct. (mae)
bears are back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The answer is within
I don't know though, I think Susannah should have kept going with Roland in honor of Eddie dying on their quest to get to the Tower. Maybe continue to the Tower in the name of her dead husband?Yes, she did but with Eddie's death lots of things changed in her.But I thought she wanted to see the Tower with Roland though...
Don't forget that it was hard for Roland, too to take care of King when Jake was dying, he wanted to be next to Jake but he couldn't because he didn't want to make Jake's death pointless. That's why he spent that time with King.
Roland had to go on to give meaning to each death he met or caused. Susannah's situation was very different.
(But don't think I wasn't shocked when she left, in fact I was incredibly angry with her and I still am even if I might know the reasons.)
Opinion in politics, and politics, is an evil which has caused many a fellow to be hung while he’s still young and pretty.
Hmmm...I'm not sure. It didn't really seem to be a part of her all the way through to me. I'm not sure she ever really pronounced her willingness to go except through Eddie. Kind of a..."me and Suze are going all the way Roland"
<Suze nods>
So I think she wasn't really in and there was no reason for her to be imo. Btw, I feel the same way about Jake. It wasn't the Tower for Jake, it was Roland. He would have followed his "father" to the ends of the Earth. Literally.
Eddie? Oh yeah. He was in for the Tower all the way. But he was also a junkie. Roland was the original Tower junkie and Eddie didn't mind a hit of that shit either.
I think the only other would have been Callahan. He was a junkie in his own way, in a broad sense of course.
The kindness of close friends is like a warm blanket
Sadly, Ka took care of everyone, except for Roland and Patrick ( Who I never expected to do his fancy work with his pencil in the end)Hmmm...I'm not sure. It didn't really seem to be a part of her all the way through to me. I'm not sure she ever really pronounced her willingness to go except through Eddie. Kind of a..."me and Suze are going all the way Roland"
<Suze nods>
So I think she wasn't really in and there was no reason for her to be imo. Btw, I feel the same way about Jake. It wasn't the Tower for Jake, it was Roland. He would have followed his "father" to the ends of the Earth. Literally.
Eddie? Oh yeah. He was in for the Tower all the way. But he was also a junkie. Roland was the original Tower junkie and Eddie didn't mind a hit of that shit either.
I think the only other would have been Callahan. He was a junkie in his own way, in a broad sense of course.
Opinion in politics, and politics, is an evil which has caused many a fellow to be hung while he’s still young and pretty.
I think you just gave me an epiphany. Reading up til this point I didn't have an answer. But it makes perfect sense. There is possibly an Odetta Holmes or a version of her in other levels of the tower, but if that Odetta Holmes did not have the same experiences as the keystone Odetta, then it is possible that Detta Walker never came to be. Without Detta, there could be no Susannah. If Susannah died on any level of the Tower--she would forever be gone.
As for Jake & Eddie being brothers in the "new" world, I always assumed that it was Ka that they should be brothers. It is clear that they both viewed Roland as their "father" in one way or another in his world. So in dying, and getting to the new world, of course they would be brothers.
And I sincerely, truly and completely hope there is an Oy in that world, too. Although he probably wouldn't be able to talk!
YOU MUST CHILL. I HAVE HIDDEN YOUR KEYS.
I just read this section over the weekend. I think you are all forgetting that the Tower itself was only singing for Roland. They both knew it. Susannah was only being obedient. I just wished she had the opportunity to get the hell out of the way sooner.I don't know though, I think Susannah should have kept going with Roland in honor of Eddie dying on their quest to get to the Tower. Maybe continue to the Tower in the name of her dead husband?Yes, she did but with Eddie's death lots of things changed in her.But I thought she wanted to see the Tower with Roland though...
Don't forget that it was hard for Roland, too to take care of King when Jake was dying, he wanted to be next to Jake but he couldn't because he didn't want to make Jake's death pointless. That's why he spent that time with King.
Roland had to go on to give meaning to each death he met or caused. Susannah's situation was very different.
(But don't think I wasn't shocked when she left, in fact I was incredibly angry with her and I still am even if I might know the reasons.)
I know you're right jude and the Tower did only sing for Roland but I still can't forgive her for abandoning Roland and throwing that gun away.
i couldn't care less about anything else. it's the throwing the gun away that pisses me off.
Thirded. Motion carries.i couldn't care less about anything else. it's the throwing the gun away that pisses me off.
I'm not sure I blame her for that, it was done.
Not to mention, she was very rapidly forgetting everything that happened to her, perhaps keeping it was impossible (talking about Gan and the Tower here.)
The kindness of close friends is like a warm blanket
I feel absolutely the same way. So so much.
Maybe after some rereadings in some years I will be able to. But right now it's impossible.
Roland would have understood.
I know how you guys feel, and so do I, but the text is very clear in this regard:
"Each night in her dreams, at least once, she saw the Tower in that photograph standing at the end of its field of roses, sooty gray-black stone against a troubled sky where the clouds streamed out in for directions, along the tow Beams that still held. She knew what the voices sang- commala! commala! commala-come-come!- but she did not think that they sang to her, or for her. No, say no, say never in life; this was Roland's song and Roland's alone. But she had begun to hope that that didn't necessarily mean she was going to die between here and the end of her quest. She had been having her own dreams" (The Dark Tower, 706 Hardcover).
There are a few others as well, but I think this is the most explicit. We could say it was just her perception, but... I really don't think that's the case. We all knew Roland was going to approach the Tower alone.
And here is my answer.
A perfect ending (for me at least, a perfect ending)
by Letti
Spoiler:
Yeah...
I am a dreamer.
Last edited by Letti; 12-11-2010 at 07:20 AM.
Roland would have understood.
In context (concerning Susannah throwing away the gun.)
I thought it a bit of a shame that she threw away the gun concerning the history and all. However, I agree. Also, it seemed pretty clear that the revolver was now used up and useless. Gan even plugged it!
A lot of people really dislike that scene where Susannah met Eddie and Jake. They find it sappy and sentimental.
I loved it though. I found it magical and uplifting, as well as sad, but in a good way.
I dislike thinking of myself as sentimental... but I suppose I am. Someone please, shoot me in the head.
i loved her finding eddie and jake again. i kept waiting for oy (or oy's twinner) to coming trotting up to jake. but i can't get over her throwing away the gun. like it was a piece of trash. worthless, immaterial, meaningless. i couldn't believe that some part of her didn't recognize, on some level, that she should hold onto it. even if it was plugged. no matter what, she should've held onto the gun.
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