Oy and Billybumblers

[Darkthoughts]

Oy is referred to as "he", "his" in the text, and likewise in the Concordance is listed as being male

[sai blaine]

...Men call boats,ships and cars a "she"...

[Darkthoughts]

And what on earth has that got to do with Oy, young weirdo?

[LadyHitchhiker]

Oy's a hermaphrodite, but since we don't have a word for the third gender, thusly Oy's called a "boy".

maybe Roland is a hermaphrodite, too? I don't remember any place in the text where anybody said he wasn't.

I nearly died after reading this!!!!!!!

[sai blaine]

And what on earth has that got to do with Oy, young weirdo?

What im sayin is that them boats and cars etc arnt "female" just because there referred to as "she" same could be said about Oy

[ManOfWesternesse]

And what on earth has that got to do with Oy, young weirdo?

What im sayin is that them boats and cars etc arnt "female" just because there referred to as "she" same could be said about Oy

Ah! ... but which is Oy? a Boat?... or a ...Car? That's the question!

[Letti]

[jayson]

Ah! ... but which is Oy? a Boat?... or a ...Car? That's the question!

Maybe we need a new poll.. If Oy were a vehicle, what would he be?

[Matt]

I'm amazed at the discussion--who knew Oy's package would start such a debate.

[sai blaine]

package? you mean like? a 9mm or a blueberry pie?

[sai blaine]

And what on earth has that got to do with Oy, young weirdo?

What im sayin is that them boats and cars etc arnt "female" just because there referred to as "she" same could be said about Oy

Ah! ... but which is Oy? a Boat?... or a ...Car? That's the question!

i would say...tricycle?

[LadyHitchhiker]

I'm amazed at the discussion--who knew Oy's package would start such a debate.

Or lack thereof

[Letti]

I'm amazed at the discussion--who knew Oy's package would start such a debate.

So am I...

[Frunobulax]

Marquis De Sade-type discussion of Oy coming up....I can sense it.

[aurora]

Oys death and meaning has been brought up a few times that I have seen from hunting back through the forums past and brought up again in 'Whos death...' thread.

My question is do you think Oy was truly part of the Ka-tet and second why did Oy leave Jakes grave. I'll start the convo off with what I said in the death thread.

My gosh who doesn't love Oy and how could you not?!? I could write a ton on Oy but will refrain. The one and only thing I ask is did Oy really leave Jakes grave due to Jakes request or was Oy really part of the ka-tet in its fullest sense? And if Oy was ka-tet with the other 4 would he nt love Roland as much as the others? Would he not also call Roland Father? Would Oy not have the same desire to see the Dark Tower himself? Would he not do all he could to help Roland reach the Tower and shout Oy's name there too? This is not many question but one and is answered by did Oy leave Jakes grave because of Jakes request or because he too was ka-tet with Roland and called him Dinh? I say ka-tet and Roland never fully appreciated this till his, Oy's, sacrifice.

[Storyslinger]

Though I believe that Oy was a true member of the tet, his loyality to Jake came before him eraching the Tower. I feel that the only reason that he continued on with Roland was for the reason the Jake told him to go and protect him.

[sarah]

I think Oy was definitely part of the Ka-tet. He left Jakes grave because he had to go on. Ka and Jake wouldn't want oy to die at Jakes grave. imo

[Wuducynn]

Oy was definitely a member of their ka-tet. Undoubtably. His loyalty to Jake was above all but that doesn't take away from his membership.

[Storyslinger]

I think Oy was definitely part of the Ka-tet. He left Jakes grave because he had to go on. Ka and Jake wouldn't want oy to die at Jakes grave. imo

I guess I never put Ka into the equation. That changes the whole outlook. If ka forced Oy to continue on, it would be damn hard to go against it without major problems occuring

[Wuducynn]

"ka" being the other part of "ka-tet" how can it not be taken into account..

[Storyslinger]

"ka" being the other part of "ka-tet" how can it not be taken into account..

I'm a little slow like that.

[aurora]

Well King at least fought against Ka by refusing to continue singing Ves Ka Gan in his Dark Tower works and Ka was about to repay him with death. However thanks to the Ka-Tet saving the last Beam it became strong enough to put Ka back to power and assisted in saving King in the end.
So I guess you could say yes Oy could have fought Ka and stayed with Jake and died there with him. You could also say nope something would have happened that forced Oy back to Rolands side. For me the answer is easy Oy choose of his own will, which I do believe he had, to continue with his Dinh.

[Letti]

He was part of the ka-tet. Hands down.
He left because of Jake. That was the strongest reason. I am sure he loved Roland and respected him but it wouldn't have been enough for him to go on.

[sarah]

Well King at least fought against Ka by refusing to continue singing Ves Ka Gan in his Dark Tower works and Ka was about to repay him with death. However thanks to the Ka-Tet saving the last Beam it became strong enough to put Ka back to power and assisted in saving King in the end.
So I guess you could say yes Oy could have fought Ka and stayed with Jake and died there with him. You could also say nope something would have happened that forced Oy back to Rolands side. For me the answer is easy Oy choose of his own will, which I do believe he had, to continue with his Dinh.

But also along with that, Jake would never have wanted Oy to just lay down and die at his side. He would have wanted Oy to be with Roland and Susannah. So, I think it was a bit of both. He continued on for Ka and for Jake. And who knows, maybe Oy knew his end was going to be protecting Roland.

[Storyslinger]

He was part of the ka-tet. Hands down.
He left because of Jake. That was the strongest reason. I am sure he loved Roland and respected him but it wouldn't have been enough for him to go on.

What I also think. With ka aside, that is.