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    I cant answer. because i truly dont know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ka-tet View Post
    I cant answer. because i truly dont know.
    I don't think we - any of us who voted - actually know; it's one of those questions that can't really be answered a priori, because no man knows himself so fully; moreover, the circumstances that would bring us to such a choice would change us and make us different from what we're now, sitting here and voting. More correctly, the question should be (I believe that's what is implied): what choice do you feel now you would make?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ka-tet View Post
    I cant answer. because i truly dont know.
    I don't think we - any of us who voted - actually know; it's one of those questions that can't really be answered a priori, because no man knows himself so fully; moreover, the circumstances that would bring us to such a choice would change us and make us different from what we're now, sitting here and voting. More correctly, the question should be (I believe that's what is implied): what choice do you feel now you would make?
    Jean, while I absolutely love this answer, Scout is only 16. He's probably still sorting through a priori and sub priori epistemologies.

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    obscure - I bet when you were 16, you already could find your way in complex things, whatever the terminology. (I wish you could have met Frunobulax when he was 16... where is he again, by the way???????)

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    I voted no, but I'm sure you knew I would

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    I still can't vote because there's no third option. If I were as Roland was, yes I would have dropped him. If I were me... I'd like to think not, but who knows truly?
    It'll take a lot more than words and guns,
    A whole lot more than riches and muscle.

    The hands of the many must join as one.
    And together we'll cross the river.

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    In fact we can know nothing truely.

    Roland would have understood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
    In fact we can know nothing truely.
    Not even that.
    The Awesomest fled across the desert and The Awesomer followed.

    If you rescue me
    I’ll be your friend forever


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    Unfortunately, as much as I would not want to, yes, I think I would have to let Jake fall.

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    The difference between Roland and me is that Roland let Jake fall because he wanted to see the tower. It's not like he really cared one way or the other that him seeing it would save it.

    Whereas I wouldn't let Jake fall so that I could see something, even if it's the tower. If you believe in the White like Roland supposedly did, then you can't believe it's only for big things. The White goes all the way up and all the way down.

    Maybe it's because my littlest brothers are getting to Jake's age, but if I wouldn't let them fall- even for the universe- then I wouldn't let some other child fall either.

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    I don't have children of my own, but my friends' children mean the world to me. Even some of them that I think are annoying little bitches, I just couldn't imagine letting them die.
    YOU MUST CHILL. I HAVE HIDDEN YOUR KEYS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LemurJones View Post
    Maybe it's because my littlest brothers are getting to Jake's age, but if I wouldn't let them fall- even for the universe- then I wouldn't let some other child fall either.
    Same here. My little brother is 10 years old and he is such a little angel. Nothing could buy me to drop him. That's how I feel.

    Roland would have understood.

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    Wow. This poll is literally 50/50.

    My vote would have to be: I don't know. It would depend on the circumstances and who I am at the time.

    But that option's not up there.
    It'll take a lot more than words and guns,
    A whole lot more than riches and muscle.

    The hands of the many must join as one.
    And together we'll cross the river.

    Puscifer, "The Humbling River"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Woofer View Post
    Wow. This poll is literally 50/50.

    My vote would have to be: I don't know. It would depend on the circumstances and who I am at the time.

    But that option's not up there.
    You know the circumstances, don't you?

    Roland would have understood.

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    I voted "no," but fear it may have been for selfish reasons....

    Like I wouldn't want to live with the guilt if I didn't--even the guilt of pondering, even for an instant, the idea of leaving him if it meant catching up to Walter sooner (or weighing the merits and flaws of each decision logically before doing so, leaving him hanging while I did that).

    But the part about Roland himself possibly falling disturbs me--I doubt if I'd have the courage to face that....

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    Quote Originally Posted by LemurJones View Post
    The difference between Roland and me is that Roland let Jake fall because he wanted to see the tower. It's not like he really cared one way or the other that him seeing it would save it.

    Whereas I wouldn't let Jake fall so that I could see something, even if it's the tower. If you believe in the White like Roland supposedly did, then you can't believe it's only for big things. The White goes all the way up and all the way down.

    Maybe it's because my littlest brothers are getting to Jake's age, but if I wouldn't let them fall- even for the universe- then I wouldn't let some other child fall either.
    I believe this is the key to Roland getting out personally. And I wouldn't let him fall either. Not for any Tower anywhere. You sell yourself that way.
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    After having adopted and rasied 3 boys on my own (special needs too)
    I have on occasion (like after viewing the film The Good Son) had fantasy
    dreams of dropping them off a cliff, but no I couldnt do it at all. ever, no matter what, even to my own death.

    The answer is within

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt View Post
    I believe this is the key to Roland getting out personally. And I wouldn't let him fall either. Not for any Tower anywhere. You sell yourself that way.
    me-----> <-----you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Woofer View Post
    Wow. This poll is literally 50/50.

    My vote would have to be: I don't know. It would depend on the circumstances and who I am at the time.

    But that option's not up there.
    You know the circumstances, don't you?
    True, Letti, I know the circumstances within the book, but would they be the same if Roland's boots were on my feet (rubbing blisters, no doubt, as I'm certain they'd be too big (double entendres intentional)). What I mean is that if I were in Roland's place, then the circumstances at that moment could be completely different. I might've let Tull sooner or stayed with Brown longer.

    Assuming, however, that the circumstances are the same and I am the person Roland was at that moment, then I'm sure I would. Assuming it's me walking that path, then I have no idea because I'm not sure we'd even be at that particular juncture.

    All of which, of course, leaves me incapable of choosing yes or no for this poll!

    It'll take a lot more than words and guns,
    A whole lot more than riches and muscle.

    The hands of the many must join as one.
    And together we'll cross the river.

    Puscifer, "The Humbling River"


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    I'd let him drop, even if knew everything afterwards. My personal belief is Jake has to fall for Roland to reach the tower, and if he doesn't fall, Roland will never reach his tower, which, in one way could be seen as redemption, as
    Spoiler:
    he'd never have to repeat the loses and such.


    In another perspective, if Roland DOESN'T reach the tower, it will crumble anyway, so, Jake has to fall.
    Last edited by Letti; 06-14-2008 at 02:02 AM. Reason: adding spoiler tag
    2:45 am- 11th February 2008- I Finished The Dark Tower

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    Quote Originally Posted by obscurejude View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ka-tet View Post
    I cant answer. because i truly dont know.
    I don't think we - any of us who voted - actually know; it's one of those questions that can't really be answered a priori, because no man knows himself so fully; moreover, the circumstances that would bring us to such a choice would change us and make us different from what we're now, sitting here and voting. More correctly, the question should be (I believe that's what is implied): what choice do you feel now you would make?
    Jean, while I absolutely love this answer, Scout is only 16. He's probably still sorting through a priori and sub priori epistemologies.
    I shall then make my choice then sai, no i would not have droped the boy. In my heart i do not think i could be able to cause the death of another human being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark View Post
    I'd let him drop, even if knew everything afterwards. My personal belief is Jake has to fall for Roland to reach the tower, and if he doesn't fall, Roland will never reach his tower, which, in one way could be seen as redemption, as
    Spoiler:
    he'd never have to repeat the loses and such.


    In another perspective, if Roland DOESN'T reach the tower, it will crumble anyway, so, Jake has to fall.

    My friend the question is "knowing what roland knew" not being roland. Yes maybe Roland had to let the boy die to reach the tower but your not roland.

    Could YOU have let the boy drop?
    If you love me, then love me-Susan of mejis
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    I think if the question was "What would you do if you were Roland" it would get meaningless.

    Roland would have understood.

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    My answer is No, I could not drop him.
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    My answer is still the same. No way in hell I would drop him.

    And I believe, after all these years, that is the point of the story.

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