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    Oh yes, I was sure he cried in DOTT but I couldn't remember the details. Thank you, Jean. You rock.
    This part is so... touching. I should have remembered.

    Roland would have understood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storyslinger
    Thanks Jean, but I wasn't implying that he was a macho never cry man, but that he didn't know how, if that makes any sense
    of course it does, and yes, I think the same, - only in practice, even though he didn't know how, he couldn't have helped it time to time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Storyslinger
    Thanks Jean, but I wasn't implying that he was a macho never cry man, but that he didn't know how, if that makes any sense
    of course it does, and yes, I think the same, - only in practice, even though he didn't know how, he couldn't have helped it time to time.
    Yes, thats what I was trying to say

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    One of the things I respected a lot about Roland that he could and dared to cry.

    Of course we all have different Rolands in our heart and memory.

    Roland would have understood.

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    I think it is a great quality if someone knows how to cry. If not, the world can just cover you up and destroy you

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    Anyway (in my little dictionary) if someone can have tears that person CAN - is able to - cry. So there is no bad cry or good cry.
    I think if you let your tears be born you know how to cry.

    So,
    let me know
    how you guys think that he didn't know how to cry.

    Roland would have understood.

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    Not knowing how to cry would be refering to him being raised in the culture that he did. They were taught the harshness of life and that weakness was wrong. Not really ever being exposed to it, Roland never really experienced crying, therefore it wasn't apart of his being. It is kind of like, going through the coming of age and all the other gunslinger trials, removed his ability to cry.

    I thats still not really what I mean, I just can't find a way to say it

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    Sometimes we must have very serious fights with ourselves to be able to express our real feelings.

    I really think if you can weep. If you can have tears - you know how to cry.
    For my part when I cry I always hide my face with my hair... there are people who can cry when nobody sees them there are people who can cry in front of people and there are people who can pretend crying.
    And there are the ones who can't.
    They can be alone or they can be with a friend or with a lover but they are not able to.

    The way I see it or the way I think about it Roland could.

    Roland would have understood.

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    I think, some people just feel it as something appropriate; as if they were in their element when crying, like, you know, it was - maybe not the solution itself, but at least an approach to it... way of relaxation preceding finding the solution... or something absolutely different, but anyway, an appropriate, natural, habitual, and good thing to do... while for others it goes against their very nature.

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    Right, I do agree with what you said. He did have the ability to cry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    I think, some people just feel it as something appropriate; as if they were in their element when crying, like, you know, it was - maybe not the solution itself, but at least an approach to it... way of relaxation preceding finding the solution... or something absolutely different, but anyway, an appropriate, natural, habitual, and good thing to do... while for others it goes against their very nature.
    Thats a little closer to what I was trying to say

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    ... are we still on topic?...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    ... are we still on topic?...
    Good question, let me think...


    I think we are on the edge but maybe it could be another thread.

    Roland would have understood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    Come on. That's why you had to stop and think - because you know what love is. Would you sacrifice someone your love for the sake of the world? To hell with the world.
    YES!!!! The reason being is that in sacrificing myself for the sake of the world (country) I'm sacrificing myself for them. The choice is I die for them, or we all die and I wouldn't have them anyway.

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    What would have happened to Eddie IF Roland had never drawn him?
    Would he have been able to get rid of drugs? How would he have continued his life? Would he have spent many years in prison?

    Roland would have understood.

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    He would have spent some time in prison, for the drugs, because he would have gotten caught. His brother would have been killed, for Eddies screw-up, and when he was released from prison, he would have been killed also, or maybe killed while still in prison.

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    I'm not so sure if he would have been caught on the plane, but even if he wasn't I agree with Story, he would have ended up dead in prison or from heroin.
    "It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storyslinger View Post
    He would have spent some time in prison, for the drugs, because he would have gotten caught. His brother would have been killed, for Eddies screw-up, and when he was released from prison, he would have been killed also, or maybe killed while still in prison.
    But would he have necessarily have been caught? Remember, it was the change of eye color that made the stewardess feel hinky-die-die about Eddie in the first place. No Roland, no eye color change, and perhaps Eddie never falls under suspicion and makes his delivery to Balazar without legal hassles. Of course, he'd probably continue as a drug mule and either be caught eventually or die a violent death being associated with mafiosos like Balazar.

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    Rigth, he may not have been caught then, but, like you said, sooner or later

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storyslinger View Post
    He would have spent some time in prison, for the drugs, because he would have gotten caught. His brother would have been killed, for Eddies screw-up, and when he was released from prison, he would have been killed also, or maybe killed while still in prison.
    I am not sure that Eddie would have been killed after his brother death. I think it's possible he would have been able to stand up. We mustn't forget that he was born to be a gunslinger.

    Roland would have understood.

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    Yeah, you got me there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
    I am not sure that Eddie would have been killed after his brother death. I think it's possible he would have been able to stand up. We mustn't forget that he was born to be a gunslinger.
    My thoughts exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
    I am not sure that Eddie would have been killed after his brother death. I think it's possible he would have been able to stand up. We mustn't forget that he was born to be a gunslinger.
    My thoughts exactly.
    We often agree these days.

    Roland would have understood.

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    Eddie just might have made it ok (he was as you say, born to be a Gunslinger).
    BUT I think he could only have broken free of his old life after Henry died, and Henry was headed for an early death anyway, regardless of Balazaar.
    With Henry dead, Eddie might well have gotten free of the whole scene he was locked into.
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    And how would he have been able to stand up? How would he have continued his life after that? Would he have become a policeman who saves little kids from the same fate that killed his brother or how?

    Roland would have understood.

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