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i think we have to differentiate between being a man and a good man ( being a man wouldn't need any hint of altruism).

also, i think you can lump child and teenagerly into category "not man yet"...

i have to choose when he beat Cort. he may have been very immature and not meant to take the trial so early....but he put his ass on the line and passed his rites of passage. like many cultures,...