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I always took it that Roland was in a "closed loop" beginning with "The Man in Black......." and ending in the Tower. Therefore, Roland only has "Free Choice" in those confines. So Gan, as Roland's...

To the best of my recollection, its mentioned several times that when Roland stands before the tower he will blow the horn. Since he has no horn in our tale the assumption would be that in the next...

Not really when you consider that Roland's personal life ended with "the Man in Black..........." the point at which he became the central figure in the loop that (IMO) represents humanities choices...

On free will: I tend to think that in the theology of Towerism/Ganism as it's been called here does not necessarily deny the existence of free will. It at least acknowledges it. Ganism assumes...

True, but I think it is for Roland at least in regard to the loop. SK does contradict himself a few times (I am currently re-reading it and am up to DT7) so I was kinda going by the major plot points...

I think that since his past, prior to the desert, is we assume fixed and therefore outside the loop, that some form of "Divine" or "Supernatural" intervention is required for him to obtain the Horn. ...

Oh, you have no idea how happy I was to see this line. I started to think that I am the only weirdo again.
Thank you.
Horn as a gift from Gan... no way for me.
For me it's only one acceptable way...

Basically, what we know from the last line being the same as the first line is that the next loop begins in the desert. That's all we really know for a fact. Now I concede that it's perfectly...

Maybe someone could explain in a little more detail to me exactly why they would think the loop does not start in the Desert each time?

To me it seems to be non-interpative given the "Man in Black...

Cheers!



I'm not sure, but I think the stuff he needs to fix will be more of the same. What I mean by that is that whilst he has progressed in understanding his need for others (and not just as...

That was pretty darn insightful and I would definitely agree with the bulk of your interpetation except, I believe #20 would be the last. What else, in ur opinion does he need to fix? Assuming that...

At least you didn't do anything weird like tie in the Lincoln Assignation with Roland doing it in the name of the tower in order to receive the horn...[/QUOTE]


Now that you mention it...

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But you forget we're dealing with the Tower. It can change what happened reguardless of how far back it was.

Just because he begins again in the desert does not mean that he didn't...

Pretty sure guys he does'nt loop back past Jericho Hill and all those events. The end of the story is the first line of the Gunslinger "The Man in Black.........etc.

Therefore, the horn has to be...

Yeah....Hot and sloppy the Johnny Gan way!!!! Right Pongo? LOL LOL:clap:

I'm just spit-balling here but to me the actual events of Jericho Hill don't really count as part of the loop. Reason being that those events occur PRIOR to the loop beginning and therefore cannot be...