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Peter Jackson's IMDB page
Notable films : Dead Alive, Heavenly Creatures , Lord of the Rings (trilogy), King Kong
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Guillermo Del Toro's IMDB Page
Notable films : Pan's Labyrinth, Hellboy I/II, Mimic, The Devil's Backbone, Blade II
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In case of a tie in the polls, the posts below will serve as the final tie breaker !
Voting for mi paisano, Del Toro :)
I am calling it now...this will be the hardest decision in this entire poll...
I'll get back to you on this one.
Del Toro.
Both very very over-rated directors with very little to go on (Del Toro = Pan's Labyrinth, PJ = LOTR).
Del Toro without any doubt
I don't think he is overrated.
I don't think either of these guys deserve to be in this tournament, at least not yet. They are both good but only have a couple movies to really judge on. In 15 years these guys I'm sure will have great movies. I'm just going to not vote on this one.
Del Toro
Ooh. As much as I loved the Lord of the Rings movies and think they just might be some of the best adaptations ever made, King Kong was too boring for me to enjoy.
Had to go with Del Toro on this one! Pan's Labyrinth is a total classic and even the Hellboy movies have a sense of dark beauty to them that most blockbusters don't have!
Why no Cronos for Del Toro's credits? It's one of his two good films. Surely better than Mimic/Hellboy/Blade.
Same reason I guess Lovely Bones wasn't a Peter Jackson credit, I guess. I really want to see this one, if only for Tucci's amazing performance. Love Tucci. Michael Imperioli as well, that guy is also great.
I thought The Lovely Bones the novel was pretty awful, and apparently the movie is even worse ... I can't imagine how bad that is.
Wow, I think you might be the first person I've heard say that. Everyone I know that's read it has loved it. I started it earlier this year, but honestly had a hard time getting into it. The story seemed pretty good, but I didn't care for the writing. I've been meaning to go back and try to finish it though.Quote:
Originally Posted by feverishparade
I know fuck all about the Lovely Bones. Let me just flick through it:
FLIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK!
Hmm. Sad ending!
I don't understand this. I am sure two masterpieces is enough to be called a great director - fuck, even one would be enough. I mean, what if - God forbid - Del Toro died right now? Would we deny him the right to greatness only because he only made two great films? I really think both Labyrinth and Backbone are among the greatest films ever made, so it definitely makes him one of the greatest directors of all times; even if he doesn't direct anything at all from now on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattrick
Hang on, Mattrick - weren't you the guy talking about "oscar winning" this and that in another thread? Like it or not - LOTR is a BIG Oscar winner.
so is The Titanic...
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:lol: I think that was actually my point!! Jean :huglove: :couple:
<-- everyone knows this person hated Titanic.
This is the greatest director of all time. We're getting into the final rounds. And I'm sorry, LOTR doesn't make someone a contender for that. Nor does Del Toro's two movies where there are directors out there that have made a half dozen or more great movies. I never said they were bad but really, they are both new to the business (this level) as are Nolan and Alexander Payne Paul Thomas Anderson and David Fincher. A good director can make a few great movies. A great director makes them for 20 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeanI don't understand this. I am sure two masterpieces is enough to be called a great director - fuck, even one would be enough. I mean, what if - God forbid - Del Toro died right now? Would we deny him the right to greatness only because he only made two great films? I really think both Labyrinth and Backbone are among the greatest films ever made, so it definitely makes him one of the greatest directors of all times; even if he doesn't direct anything at all from now on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattrick
Isn't that the point of this contest? Not who can make the best two movies. And at the same time what you think are amongst the great movies ever is completely subjective. I'm sure there are people who hated those movies. Subjection gets less relevent with each great movie a director makes. This why someone like Hitchcock is so revered.
And still, with Del Toro and Peter Jackson, you've got those average to good movies that weigh down the good ones in their filmographies. I'm not saying every movie must be a gem but once they've been around longer and are more established, I can see. It took Jackson 20+ years to get ANY recognition and he had to make LOTR to do it. Del Toro has a bright future and has lots of talent, but he still has mediocore films like Mimic and Hellboy and Blade II on his resume. Let their resumes build up a bit.
If Del Toro died today that would be a much different story. But still, are you going to call Heath Ledger one of the great actors of all time because he was so good as The Joker? I doubt it. Great actors, directors, writers...some of them just can't keep it going and embarass themselves after awhile. Just look at Nicholas Cage. Guy did two of his best performances in Adaptation and Matchstick Men and has been a laughing stock ever since. Calling Nicholas Cage a great/good actor now is basically a joke.
Greatness is measured in time I'm afraid. Harper Lee wrote To Kill A Mockingbird and nothing else. One of the greatest books of all time? Quite possibly. Great writer of all time? I'm sure she would be skipped over to the likes of Shakepeare, Steinbeck, Dickens, Dostoevsky etc. Why? Because they wrote many great books/stories. You think Shakespeare would be remembered if he stopped at Henry IV?
And use the argument 'what if he died rightnow' is irrelevent. That is talking in theoreticals. There is nothing theoretical about this competition. It's track record + personal opinions. Not ideas of if certain directors died how they would be better because they never got the chance to improve/get worse. If two great movie is all it takes then The Toronto Blue Jays are the greatest baseball franchise in history because of their glory days almost 20 years ago of 1992-1993. Do those two years make up for the other 30+ years of not being great? As far as I'm concerned, Del Toro has made two great movies and what, 6 or 7 not great movies. Jackson is the same (I thought the only real good LOTR movie was Fellowship, went downhill from there).
While unlike Pablo I do not think they are overrated in the slightest...just under filmed I guess would be the phrase. Against the heavyweights, neither of these guys stands a chance. Quality > Quanity except if that Quanity IS Quality.
Okay, you leave Scout, Gem and Boo out of this, mister!!! :P
Mattrick: Cervantes is a great writer, and ranks among the greatest, although who remembers anything by him besides Don Quixote? It's the same for me with directors, writers, or actors. One great movie, one great book, one great part is enough. Greatness is measured by what the top is like, not the average of the whole body of work. That's how it is for me. Thus, I consider Harper Lee a great writer; I really do.
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