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07-20-2010 08:40 PM
chibul

Confused about Mordred/Mia/Crimson King

Can someone explain how the CK is linked to these two? Obviously CK is referred to numerous times as Mordred's "red father"...but how can that be? And how is Mia linked to the CK?
07-20-2010 10:02 PM
Letti

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Originally Posted by chibul

Can someone explain how the CK is linked to these two? Obviously CK is referred to numerous times as Mordred's "red father"...but how can that be? And how is Mia linked to the CK?

Have you finished the series? We will answer your question with pleasure but we wouldn't like to give out spoilers.
07-21-2010 05:56 AM
chibul

Say sorry, I shouldve clarified...indeed I have.
07-21-2010 05:57 AM
chibul

I shouldve clarified, say sorry...yes, I've finished.
07-22-2010 07:02 AM
LovesSweetExile

I was a bit confused myself, but here goes:

Spoiler:

Remember in The Gunslinger when rolland visited the oracle? basically, Roland impregnated the oracle, the oracle followed them into the place where they fetch Jake, the oracle demon turned into a male, impregnated Susannah, Mia was basically an old demon of the prim, chosen by the Crimson King to bear his child, and since Roland and the Crimson King share the same bloodline, somehow Modred could be the son of both, Mia infected Susannah like a parasite as to take advantage of here dual personality, Susannah merely physically carried Modred, but Mia was the REAL mother, she was a lonely spirit who was taken advantage of, but as you know, payed dearly in the end.

I think thats how it goes, could be more to it though, I'v only read the last book once, I may have missed something.
07-23-2010 06:02 AM
Letti

In nutshell: Mordred had two mothers and two fathers: Mia/Susannah - CrimsonKing/Roland
Only three of them were genetically related to him. Mia was just the transfer body which fed and delivered the baby. Interesting and a bit sad that only Mia loved and cared about him him.

In the Gunslinger when Roland was with the oracle, the oracle collected Roland's seed. This time the oracle was female. Later Susannah was with the very same demon this time it was male and collected Sussanah's egg.
Somehow Roland's and the Crimson King's seeds got united, and this very special seed which was Roland's and the CK's at the same time inseminated Susannah's egg and finally Mordred was created in order to finish and destroy Roland.
07-31-2010 08:20 PM
chibul

But see, that si where I get confused - how is the seed both Roland's and the CK's? Specificlally, how is it the CK's?
07-31-2010 09:19 PM
Letti

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Originally Posted by chibul

But see, that si where I get confused - how is the seed both Roland's and the CK's? Specificlally, how is it the CK's?

How can you pull people from other worlds through magic doors?
We can come up with hows but we will not get all the answers but okay, I'll tell you how I imagine it.
As I have said I think they united the seeds. One half of the seed was the CK's and the other half was Roland's...

Something like this:

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ike/sperm1.jpg

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ike/sperm2.jpg http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ike/sperm3.jpg

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ike/sperm4.jpg

Of course it's not this simple but this is the base of the system IMHO.
07-31-2010 10:02 PM
Jean

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ood_amazed.gif
08-01-2010 06:00 PM
Brainslinger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letti

As I have said I think they united the seeds. One half of the seed was the CK's and the other half was Roland's...

Yeah, that's how I pretty much saw it.

Spoiler:

I think the servants of the Crimson King used the Great Old One's technology to genetically engineer a sperm combining DNA strands from the two fathers.* That was somehow put into the oracle who impregnated Susannah. After that the unborn child was gradually 'faxed' to Mia.(Incidentally, interesting twist and all, did that strike anyone else as way too complicated? Heh.)

I do wonder if Susannah's contribution was destroyed though just leaving the ovum membrane, leaving Mordred just the son of two fathers, (kind of like how cloning is done) but that wasn't mentioned in the book.

Actually, genetically speaking I think that Mordred should have been more human than demon. I.e. The Crimson King is half human himself and Roland and Susannah are totally human... but then again I suppose the demonic part could just dominate.

*That being said there was a suggestion that the Crimson King might have impregnated Mia directly. She said she blanked out at one point and just 'saw red'. So I guess his magic might have been the cause of the 'sperm combination'. Or a bit of both.
07-20-2011 01:34 PM
mikeC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letti

Quote:

Originally Posted by chibul

But see, that si where I get confused - how is the seed both Roland's and the CK's? Specificlally, how is it the CK's?

Something like this:

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ike/sperm1.jpg

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ike/sperm2.jpg http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ike/sperm3.jpg

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ike/sperm4.jpg

Holy Crap this was funny. Great way to explain it, but still funny to see evil sperm!
This is one of those things in the books I just gave up on trying to understand and just enjoyed the weirdness of it all.