View Askew-niverse thread

[Girlystevedave]

I thought that Kevin Smith's films deserve their own thread. Most of my favorite movies are from the View Askew-niverse. (Afterall, I did get my username from Steve Dave, a split second character who appears in most of the films. :lol: )
I love the dialogue in these films and the characters are always believable to me. I also love how each movie makes at least one mention of a character from another movie. Simply put, I think Kevin Smith's work is genius. (Now is the time when someone brings up Jersey Girl. Which is not on my list of favorite movies, but I still stand by my statement.)
So, what are your favorites: Movies, quotes, other honorable mentions.
Discuss. :)

To this day, Randall Graves is my fictional hero.

[Sam]

I loved Jersey Girl. It's the only Kevin Smith film that my wife enjoyed. (she's a bit old-fashioned and hates rough language. heck she hates, rough language, violence, sexual references, nudity, and sex on film.:arg: how the hell did I end up with her??)

I just watched Zack and Miri Make a Porno, and I was rather disappointed. Smith usually makes such good films, and he's capable of much better. Dogma is my favorite, followed very closely by Clerks II.

[Girlystevedave]

I loved Jersey Girl. It's the only Kevin Smith film that my wife enjoyed. (she's a bit old-fashioned and hates rough language. heck she hates, rough language, violence, sexual references, nudity, and sex on film.:arg: how the hell did I end up with her??)

I just watched Zack and Miri Make a Porno, and I was rather disappointed. Smith usually makes such good films, and he's capable of much better. Dogma is my favorite, followed very closely by Clerks II.


I thought Jersey Girl was alright. It just wasn't the same feel as his other movies, you know? Cause like I said, I love the dialogue in his movies, the debates between characters, the connections to his other movies, etc. That one didn't have all of it.
And, I have yet to see Zack and Miri. I need to get on it. :)

[SigTauGimp]

I have a very on again/off again relationship with Kevin Smith...the films that I like from him, I really enjoy...but the ones that I don't care for, I don't at all.

I loved the Clerks movies, Dogma, and Mallrats, but that's about as far as it goes.

[Sam]

I've enjoyed all of his films, but Zack and Miri is at the bottom of the pile I think.

As for Jersey Girl, I figured it was just a seperate thing all together and not in the Askewniverse. Neither is Zack and Miri.

[KaLikeAWheel]

OMG, Kevin Smith is a genius! Dogma was brilliant. I have so many favorite quotes from Dogma that I'll just pick one at random:

You tell someone you're a Metatron, they stare at you blankly. You mention something out of a Charlton Heston movie and suddenly everyone is a theology scholar!

I haven't seen Zach and Miri yet, but I've heard bad things. Really bad things.


Donna

[jayson]

I have a love/hate relationship with Kevin Smith's films. Basically, the earlier the better.

Clerks is one of my all time favorite movies. I went to high school with Brian O'Halloran who played Dante and we were pretty good friends, but we lost contact after he graduated (he was a year ahead of me). I had no idea he was in the film until I saw it and as soon as he was on screen I said out loud in the theater "Holy shit! I know that guy!" I think the film is absolutely brilliant and proves that big budgets and high-priced actors are completely superfluous if you have a great script and a little bit of vision.

Mallrats is another piece of genius. When there were fewer movies in Kevin's catalog, Mallrats used to get a lot of abuse (pre Jersey Girl) but I always defended it. Perhaps growing up in the same part of New Jersey as Smith makes me unable to be objective, but his representation of that world is often scarily accurate. It's also fun to know every location and reference to real places (especially the Rte. 1 Flea Market aka "the Dirt Mall"). If I have a favorite character in the View Askewniverse, it's definitely Brody.

Chasing Amy was alright. I am of the same mind as Woofer about Ben Affleck so a film with him as leading man can only be so enjoyable for me, but I thought Kevin's script was good and Banky was a great role for Jason Lee (for a guy who came from the world of skateboarding, Lee developed into a pretty enjoyable actor).

Dogma was excellent. There's little I can say about that hasn't already been said. It was nice to see Kevin manage such a large story and cast and still have it feel very much like a Kevin Smith film. I also get a lot of mileage out of making my favorite joke about Dogma which is that the moral of the story is that Alanis Morisette's voice can kill you. :P

Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back begins the slide for me. It's not that it isn't funny because it certainly has it's funny parts, but it's rather stupid, even for a movie about Jay & Silent Bob. Jason Mewes works for me in small doses only. Having him on screen for two hours is far too much for me.

Jersey Girl - well, it'd be better to just pretend this movie doesn't exist. I felt compelled to see it because it was Kevin's. I wish I hadn't.

Clerks II - sometimes I wish people would just leave well enough alone of their better works. When Kevin resurrected Dante and Randal for the stupid little Jay Leno segments I was mildly annoyed. When he decided to make a second movie with them, in color(!) I got much more annoyed. It falls into my "must every movie become a franchise?" line of displeasure. Like Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back, it's not that it wasn't funny, but compared to the real Clerks, it pales in comparison. Just because Kevin had more experience and more money didn't mean he needed to revisit his past successes.

I have yet to see Zach & Miri so I can't comment on that other than to say that I've loved Seth Rogen since Freaks & Geeks so I suspect however I feel about the film, I'll love his performance.

And I cannot make a Kevin Smith post without mentioning Clerks: The Animated Series. As short-lived as it was, it was hilarious. I almost think it's better that there were only six episodes because there aren't any bad ones.

[Gris]

I'm in the same opinion as R of G.

I'm a big fan, but Clerks II was horrible and a severe disappointment.

Dogma is one of my favorite movies ever and I like Seth Rogan so want to see Zach & Miri eventually.

[Sam]

I have a love/hate relationship with Kevin Smith's films. Basically, the earlier the better.

Clerks is one of my all time favorite movies. I went to high school with Brian O'Halloran who played Dante and we were pretty good friends, but we lost contact after he graduated (he was a year ahead of me). I had no idea he was in the film until I saw it and as soon as he was on screen I said out loud in the theater "Holy shit! I know that guy!" I think the film is absolutely brilliant and proves that big budgets and high-priced actors are completely superfluous if you have a great script and a little bit of vision.

Mallrats is another piece of genius. When there were fewer movies in Kevin's catalog, Mallrats used to get a lot of abuse (pre Jersey Girl) but I always defended it. Perhaps growing up in the same part of New Jersey as Smith makes me unable to be objective, but his representation of that world is often scarily accurate. It's also fun to know every location and reference to real places (especially the Rte. 1 Flea Market aka "the Dirt Mall"). If I have a favorite character in the View Askewniverse, it's definitely Brody.

Chasing Amy was alright. I am of the same mind as Woofer about Ben Affleck so a film with him as leading man can only be so enjoyable for me, but I thought Kevin's script was good and Banky was a great role for Jason Lee (for a guy who came from the world of skateboarding, Lee developed into a pretty enjoyable actor).

Dogma was excellent. There's little I can say about that hasn't already been said. It was nice to see Kevin manage such a large story and cast and still have it feel very much like a Kevin Smith film. I also get a lot of mileage out of making my favorite joke about Dogma which is that the moral of the story is that Alanis Morisette's voice can kill you. :P

Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back begins the slide for me. It's not that it isn't funny because it certainly has it's funny parts, but it's rather stupid, even for a movie about Jay & Silent Bob. Jason Mewes works for me in small doses only. Having him on screen for two hours is far too much for me.

Jersey Girl - well, it'd be better to just pretend this movie doesn't exist. I felt compelled to see it because it was Kevin's. I wish I hadn't.

Clerks II - sometimes I wish people would just leave well enough alone of their better works. When Kevin resurrected Dante and Randal for the stupid little Jay Leno segments I was mildly annoyed. When he decided to make a second movie with them, in color(!) I got much more annoyed. It falls into my "must every movie become a franchise?" line of displeasure. Like Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back, it's not that it wasn't funny, but compared to the real Clerks, it pales in comparison. Just because Kevin had more experience and more money didn't mean he needed to revisit his past successes.

I have yet to see Zach & Miri so I can't comment on that other than to say that I've loved Seth Rogen since Freaks & Geeks so I suspect however I feel about the film, I'll love his performance.

And I cannot make a Kevin Smith post without mentioning Clerks: The Animated Series. As short-lived as it was, it was hilarious. I almost think it's better that there were only six episodes because there aren't any bad ones.

I pretty much agree with you here with every film until Jersey Girl. I think Jersey Girl is actually a pretty good film and shows that Smith is capable of making a movie that isn't full of harsh language and dick jokes. It also showed that when people see a Kevin Smith film they want harsh language and dick jokes.:wtf:

I really enjoyed Clerks II. I found it funny and fun to revisit Dante and Randall. I also thought it was very nice to see where they were and how they had grown, ie. not a single bit. It was also very interesting to see how they end up and bookended the whole Askew series quite well. The donkey show frightened me. It frightened me a lot, quite frankly. All in all, I thought it was well done and stayed true to the characters that were established so long ago.

[jayson]

I really enjoyed Clerks II. I found it funny and fun to revisit Dante and Randall. I also thought it was very nice to see where they were and how they had grown, ie. not a single bit. It was also very interesting to see how they end up and bookended the whole Askew series quite well. The donkey show frightened me. It frightened me a lot, quite frankly. All in all, I thought it was well done and stayed true to the characters that were established so long ago.

A lot of my friends liked it as well. Like I said, it wasn't that I didn't like it as much as I found it unnecessary. Revisiting old characters is not really my thing. To be honest, I've always preferred the "alternate" (originally planned) ending to Clerks and had Kevin gone with that, there'd not have been a Clerks II because...

... there'd be no Dante to see where he was now. In the planned ending, the Quick Stop is robbed and the robber shoots and presumably kills Dante. My only problem with that ending is that after he was shot, Kevin should have had Dante say "I'm not even supposed to be here today." In that situation, it'd have been one of the darker jokes in a movie full of pretty dark jokes and would have been the perfect ending.

[Sam]

I think Kevin thought with that ending, that the joke would have taken away from the seriousness I thought he was going for. At the time the movie was released, I had a friend who was shot and killed in her convenience store. If I had seen the ending you propose, I likely would have turned me off Smith for good.

As for a Clerks II after that, you're right. Kevin COULD have written around that and still had Dante since all we know is he was shot, but I don't think fans would have accepted it as easily.

[turtlex]

Chasing Amy is my favorite, with a close second of Clerks. Then Mallrats, just for the Jason Lee / Stan Lee scene in the Mall.

I love Kevin Smith... but I admit, he's a better writer than he is director.

Clerks II is okay, very predictable... but then again... ROSARIO !

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/weinstein_company/clerks_ii/rosario_dawson/clerksii1.jpg

Her dancing, with Dante, on the roof. :swoon:thud:

[Girlystevedave]

I have a love/hate relationship with Kevin Smith's films. Basically, the earlier the better.
I agree :)


Chasing Amy was alright. I am of the same mind as Woofer about Ben Affleck so a film with him as leading man can only be so enjoyable for me, but I thought Kevin's script was good and Banky was a great role for Jason Lee (for a guy who came from the world of skateboarding, Lee developed into a pretty enjoyable actor).

I really like Chasing Amy, it's just the more serious films from the View Askew world. It's definitely not one that I put in when I want a good laugh.
But Jason Lee in this one: :wub:


Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back begins the slide for me. It's not that it isn't funny because it certainly has it's funny parts, but it's rather stupid, even for a movie about Jay & Silent Bob. Jason Mewes works for me in small doses only. Having him on screen for two hours is far too much for me.

I like this one, but I also have some beef with it. The first time I saw it, I really liked all the crossovers from the previous movies: Randall calling the cops on Jay in the beginning, Jay and Bob visiting Brody at the comic store, all the previous characters coming out of the movie theater in the end, etc. But, to me, it seemed like the first 'big budget' movie from the bunch (Dogma included) and it targeted a whole new audience, not just people who had seen all the other movies. I remember being in the theater watching it when it first opened, and it seemed no one else in the theater even laughed at the references. It made me feel a little sad. :lol: I mean here we see Brody with a f'n comic book store and nobody 'gets it'!


Jersey Girl - well, it'd be better to just pretend this movie doesn't exist. I felt compelled to see it because it was Kevin's. I wish I hadn't.

All I can really say about this one is that it made me terrified to go through child labor. :lol:


Clerks II - sometimes I wish people would just leave well enough alone of their better works. When Kevin resurrected Dante and Randal for the stupid little Jay Leno segments I was mildly annoyed. When he decided to make a second movie with them, in color(!) I got much more annoyed. It falls into my "must every movie become a franchise?" line of displeasure. Like Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back, it's not that it wasn't funny, but compared to the real Clerks, it pales in comparison. Just because Kevin had more experience and more money didn't mean he needed to revisit his past successes.

With Clerks being one of my favorite films, I have a lot of problems with Clerks II. Most of it wasn't even funny. I almost had to 'forget' it existed so it wouldn't taint my love of the original. I think the only reason I walked away from the theater with a little bit of satisfaction was because of the film reverting back to black and white in the end with a shot of the milk maids. :orely:


And I cannot make a Kevin Smith post without mentioning Clerks: The Animated Series. As short-lived as it was, it was hilarious. I almost think it's better that there were only six episodes because there aren't any bad ones.

I love these and I wish the series had lasted longer.
Guard: "The honorable Judge Reinhold."
[laughter in courtroom]
Guard: "SHow some respect for Judge Reinhold!"
:rofl:
Classic!

[Heather19]

I love Kevin's films (well at least the early ones).
I loved the first 3 and can't really pick a favorite amongst them, but if I had to it'd probably be Clerks. Those 3 are actually some of my all-time favorite films.
I did also enjoy Dogma, although not as much as the others. And then after that I just really haven't been able to get into them. I didn't care all that much for Jay & Silent Bob or Clerks II. I really wish he had just left it as a stand alone film. To me it just ends up paling in comparison to the original. However, after having said that, I did love the animated series he did. It really was hilarious.
One of the things I enjoy the most is his View Askewniverse that he created, so therefore I tend to gravitate more toward those films. And I hope that he will one day revisit it.

[Girlystevedave]

One of the things I enjoy the most is his View Askewniverse that he created, so therefore I tend to gravitate more toward those films. And I hope that he will one day revisit it.

That's what I love too. I remember watching Mallrats one day and realized: "Oh shit. The chick who died in the swimming pool is the same funeral they went to in Clerks." :doh: Then I had to rewatch all the beginning films to get all the connections. I mean, how many times are Rick Derris and Kaitlin Bree mentioned? :lol:

[jayson]

I love these and I wish the series had lasted longer.
Guard: "The honorable Judge Reinhold."
[laughter in courtroom]
Guard: "SHow some respect for Judge Reinhold!"
:rofl:
Classic!

:lol:

What makes that episode especially great is Lando.

Lando: "Black jury. Hmm. A black jury. A jury that's all black. Hmm." :orely:

And then Randal demanding his eight bucks back from directors who've made bad movies. Take that George Lucas.



"Oh shit. The chick who died in the swimming pool is the same funeral they went to in Clerks."

Not to mention the appearance of one of the Jones sisters each in Clerks, Mallrats and Chasing Amy. So many connections between those three movies.

[Girlystevedave]

"We find in favor of....Randall! The best lawyer ever."

And I don't know if I picked up on the Jones sisters. :doh:
I need to rewatch Chasing Amy tonight I guess.

[jayson]

And I don't know if I picked up on the Jones sisters. :doh:
I need to rewatch Chasing Amy tonight I guess.

The first one is the girl in Clerks who leaves with Rick Derris after they decide Dante is out of shape. I can't remember her first name, but she's definitely a Jones and I think Rick even says she's Alyssa's little sister.

The second is Tricia Jones (Trish the Dish) in Mallrats.

The third is Alyssa Jones in Chasing Amy.

[pathoftheturtle]

...Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back begins the slide for me. It's not that it isn't funny because it certainly has it's funny parts, but it's rather stupid, even for a movie about Jay & Silent Bob. ...Very true. Self-deprecation, that's what J&SBSB is. Smith went commercial and basically just threw a big party under the guise of making a movie. Biggest problem was his lame attempt to patch in story elements from his comics, then mis-casting Will Ferrell to the role that was originally a parody of Tommy Lee Jones in The Fugitive. Most of this movie flopped like a fish.

On the other hand, I am very fond of Clerks II, and a bit sad that it's gotten no love on this thread.:(

[jayson]

Biggest problem was his lame attempt to patch in story elements from his comics, then mis-casting Will Ferrell to the role that was originally a parody of Tommy Lee Jones in The Fugitive. Most of this movie flopped like a fish.

The only part of that Ferrell role which was funny to me was the name of the character, Marshal Willenholly, a reference to Land of the Lost...

Marshall, Will, and Holly on a routine expedition
Met the greatest earthquake ever known.
High on the rapids it struck their tiny raft,
And plunged them down a thousand feet below.
To the Land of the Lost

When I saw it, I think I was the only person in the theater that laughed when he first said his name. I had to explain to my friends why it was funny.

[pathoftheturtle]

The day of the Dogma premiere, I had an inexplicable compulsion to seek out Carroll's "The Walrus and the Carpenter." I had the text actually in the car when we left our first viewing.

[SigTauGimp]

Chasing Amy is my favorite, with a close second of Clerks. Then Mallrats, just for the Jason Lee / Stan Lee scene in the Mall.

I love Kevin Smith... but I admit, he's a better writer than he is director.

Clerks II is okay, very predictable... but then again... ROSARIO !

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/weinstein_company/clerks_ii/rosario_dawson/clerksii1.jpg

Her dancing, with Dante, on the roof. :swoon:thud:

Very, very true...I think that her lower lip bites in Clerks II are probably the sexiest in recorded cinema history.

[ClicheGuevara]

I did not know Zack and Miri make a porno was Kevin Smith! makes alot of sense now. . lol. . Dogma has to be my all time favorite. . Come on, Buddy Christ? AWESOME!!!. The only thing I hated about it was Alanis Morrisette as God.

"Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, next to soccer."

[Woofer]

The only part of that Ferrell role which was funny to me was the name of the character, Marshal Willenholly, a reference to Land of the Lost...

Marshall, Will, and Holly on a routine expedition
Met the greatest earthquake ever known.
High on the rapids it struck their tiny raft,
And plunged them down a thousand feet below.
To the Land of the Lost

When I saw it, I think I was the only person in the theater that laughed when he first said his name. I had to explain to my friends why it was funny.

Mr. Woofer and I were also the only ones laughing at that part when we saw it.

[mystima]

just a thought, didn't Kevin Smith also do 'Knocked Up' or am i mistaken?

[jayson]

Mr. Woofer and I were also the only ones laughing at that part when we saw it.

I'm not at all surprised that you caught that one. :couple:


just a thought, didn't Kevin Smith also do 'Knocked Up' or am i mistaken?

That was Judd Apatow.

[Brice]

There was no Clerks II. That is all.

[jayson]

That's pretty much what I try to tell myself Brice. Making an animated series was one thing (and it worked wonderfully). Having Dante and Randall appear on Leno and then making a second movie, that much further down the road, that strikes me as Kevin Smith at a loss for new ideas.

[Brice]

That's pretty much what I try to tell myself Brice. Making an animated series was one thing (and it worked wonderfully). Having Dante and Randall appear on Leno and then making a second movie, that much further down the road, that strikes me as Kevin Smith at a loss for new ideas.


Well, whether he is or not I'd rather not think of the guy who made Clerks as a total fuckin' sellout, but that's how Clerks and JASBSB made me feel. :( All those were from where I'm sitting was a check. He took his best idea and tainted it with those two movies IMO. And it's not even that they were bad movies. I just don't think that they should have been made even if he could have made them as great. I am not a fan of the whole sequel thing anyhow. I never have been. I just think he should have left it alone. The cartoon was good though.

[jayson]

And it's not even that they were bad movies. I just don't think that they should have been made even if he could have made them as great. I am not a fan of the whole sequel thing anyhow. I never have been. I just think he should have left it alone.

Exactly! Not every good movie or good set of characters has to be a franchise. Kevin could still make plenty of movies which fall within the View Askewniverse without them just being retreads of old characters. Mallrats references some events and characters from Clerks but also works as its own movie. Chasing Amy references both Clerks and Mallrats but still works as its own movie. There's no reason he couldn't do more movies which are part of the same world that would still stand alone just fine.

It just irks me when people wind up franchising their great characters. It takes a little bit away from the greatness.

[The Cosmic Geek]

I'm a big Kevin Smith fan, have been ever since I first saw Clerks about 10 or more years ago. I live in NJ, so I have to support a local, and have been down to Red Bank several times to visit his great comic shop and some of the shooting locations of his films.

Film wise I enjoy all his films, some more than others. I love Clerks, just an excellent film. Mallrats is great, I am a comic geek so that movie spoke to me. I even enjoyed Jersey Girl, sure, not his best work, but something I will watch whenever it is on.

I also love his comic book work, his Clerk and Jay and Silent Bob comics are great and his Daredevil run was just amazing.

AS for favorite lines from his movies, oh man, where do I begin. They are ALL so quotable.

[Rjeso]

I luuurve me some Clerks Animated Series. I still adore the fact that GSD had Bear is Driving in her sig so long ago. It seemed like nobody knew that show back then.

I enjoy all the movies, but watch Mallrats, Dogma, and J&SBSB the most. Surprisingly, I'm not that big on Clerks the movie. Clerks 2 was fun, though.

"Patrick Swayze?! Who is that?"

[The Cosmic Geek]

I loved the animated Clerks show. Thought the animation style was great and the bear driving the car was classic.

[Girlystevedave]

I luuurve me some Clerks Animated Series. I still adore the fact that GSD had Bear is Driving in her sig so long ago. It seemed like nobody knew that show back then.




Haha. That's awesome that you remember that. I actually have that same bear driving sticker on my car window. :lol:
Some people have mistaken it for Winnie the Pooh. :unsure:

As far as the animated series/Patrick Swayze, I love the episode where he works in the pet store and he calls the horse Point Break. :rofl:

[jayson]

As far as the animated series/Patrick Swayze, I love the episode where he works in the pet store and he calls the horse Point Break. :rofl:

The best part of that is that they got Gilbert Gottfreid to do the voice. Hilarious!

[turtlex]

Sorry, but if the best part of anything is Gilbert Gottfreid, then this turtle is going to have to pass.

[jayson]

Sorry, but if the best part of anything is Gilbert Gottfreid, then this turtle is going to have to pass.

As the voice to further heap mockery on Patrick Swayze, he was hilarious. Anything that makes fun of Patrick Swayze is hilarious.

[turtlex]

Anything that makes fun of Patrick Swayze is hilarious.

This is so very true.... and is now the exception to the Gilbert Gottfreid rule!

[jayson]

The only other thing I ever thought was funny about Gilbert were some of his classic appearances on the Howard Stern radio show back in the early 90's before the show got far too popular and lost its appeal. Gilbert used to come in and talk about how big of a loser he was and how even with a modicum of fame and money he still couldn't get a date. It was pathetic and hilarious.

[Brice]

The only other thing I ever thought was funny about Gilbert were some of his classic appearances on the Howard Stern radio show back in the early 90's before the show got far too popular and lost its appeal. Gilbert used to come in and talk about how big of a loser he was and how even with a modicum of fame and money he still couldn't get a date. It was pathetic and hilarious.


...and very likely completely true. :rofl:

[jayson]

Oh completely true. That's what was so funny about it. It was far too detailed and pathetic to be scripted bc if it was scripted, Gilbert is the greatest comedy writer of all time (and we know that's not true). :D

[Darkthoughts]

I was a member at the Viewaskew message boards for 5 years and I totally see why Kevin made Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back and Clerks 2. He's very involved with his fans - especially those on the board (he gave Smalls a job for a start!) and there was alot of demand from the fans to give Jay and Silent Bob their own movie and to return to Clerks.
I'm not saying he did it solely for the fans, but I imagine he was catering to their requests to some degree.

I thought they were fine. Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back is meant to be a ridculous dick and fart joke fest - and also, despite being a fan I think people sometimes credit Smith with being more of a genius than he actually is and therefore they expect too much from him.

[jayson]

I buy that for Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back, but part of the reason that one was acceptable was because it was, allegedly, the coming full circle of that whole run of jokes and references. It was a nice way to supposedly retire all of that.

For Clerks II, I'm not so sure. There comes a time when even the artists most loyal to their fans need to learn to say no. I see it in music a lot where people adore one album or style of a band and if the band dares to do something different, these fans are forever wishing the band would return to that sound. They need to get over it.

And I agree with your assessment that people may expect too much from Kevin. I don't expect everything he does to be as good as I think those first four movies are, but I do get disappointed when he (for whatever reason) tries to return to those successes and ends up cheapening them a bit.

[Darkthoughts]

Yeah, I think sometimes his fanbase is a little too loyal...or maybe I mean kiss ass? One of the reasons I left in the end was because they vehemently attacked anyone who criticised Kevin in any way. The fact that Kev rarely stepped in to stop it (and he's on the board alot...or was) made me think perhaps they massaged his ego a little too much?

[jayson]

I can see where that would get old in a hurry. I think part of being a legitimate fan of an artist is realizing they have faults and sometimes produce things that aren't that great but you accept that and love them anyway. Even my most favorite musicians have songs I don't think are particularly good but I can admit that without thinking less of them. It's those who can't that I think don't necessarily like it for any other reason than who made it. That's not fanhood, that's delusion.

[pathoftheturtle]

The only other thing I ever thought was funny about Gilbert were some of his classic appearances on the Howard Stern radio show back in the early 90's before the show got far too popular and lost its appeal. ...Ever seen his early work with The Harvard Lampoon? Funny, funny stuff. (Though we may be getting off-topic.)

Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back: One part which I really did like was the central joke; that they used their profits to actually travel around and whup their online critics. :lol:


...For Clerks II, I'm not so sure. There comes a time when even the artists most loyal to their fans need to learn to say no. ...Hunh. Ironic. That's what I liked about it. Seemed to be a very Zen production (a la The Big Picture) wherein Smith finally brushed off the conflicting pressures that affected J&SBSB on one hand and Jersey Girl on the other. Have you heard the DVD commentaries?

[jayson]

Hunh. Ironic. That's what I liked about it. Seemed to be a very Zen production (a la The Big Picture) wherein Smith finally brushed off the conflicting pressures that affected J&SBSB on one hand and Jersey Girl on the other. Have you heard the DVD commentaries?

For which film, Clerks II? No, I haven't heard the commentaries. I don't even have the dvd's. Didn't really like it enough to think I'd ever want to watch it again.

[Iwritecode]

I went to see Mallrats in the theater when I was a teenager without any knowledge of who Kevin Smith was or what his movies were like. I went with my GF and my parents.

Talk about awkward...

[Rjeso]

Ah, Mallrats. Too bad Eden Prairie Center looks nothing like that anymore... the food court's still in the same place, though!

[Girlystevedave]

Now by 'food court', you don't mean Cookie stand, do you? :P

[The Cosmic Geek]

Now by 'food court', you don't mean Cookie stand, do you? :P

hehe That was a good one.

[Heather19]

What do you guys think of this?
http://www.cinematical.com/2009/03/02/kevin-smith-to-direct-a-couple-of-dicks/

Apparently Kevin is set to direct a new film "A Couple of Dicks" staring Bruce Willis and Tracy Morgan.

[The Cosmic Geek]

Yeah, I heard about that. I think it has potential. Zack and Miri, to me anyway, proved Smith can do comedy that isn't View Askew related. I'll definitely see it.

[Heather19]

I still have yet to see that one.

[The Cosmic Geek]

It was good. Funny, as are all his films. It proved he can do characters that aren't just Jay and Bob and the gang. It did feel a bit predictable towards the end, but still, I got my moneys worth when I saw it with lots of laughs.

[rosie real]

kevin smith is doing an all day tweet-a-thon tomorrow. why? who the fuck knows. but he'll be high (big shock) and answering questions. and here are his directions.

http://viewaskew.com/theboard/viewtopic.php?p=3886666#3886666




ETA: whatever you do man, don't harsh his mellow! :lol:

[Still Servant]

I decided to bump a thread that hasn't been posted in since 2009 for no reason at all.

I must say, this thread has a very odd name.

[Mattrick]

I assumed it was Joss Whedon related, tbh.

p.s., I know the reason....19 innings.

[Still Servant]

p.s., I know the reason....19 innings.

:lol:

Exactly! I was surfing the internet desperately trying to stay awake.

[Iwritecode]

I thought the bump would be about the news of Mallrats 2 coming out soon.

[Girlystevedave]

I'm ashamed to say I didn't even know about a Mallrats 2 until just now. :doh:

I had heard about him doing another Clerks. I wasn't too crazy about Clerks 2, but I'm still game to watch another installment. :lol:

[Heather19]

There really is going to be a Mallrats 2? I didn't know either. Not sure how I feel about it. Wasn't a fan of Clerks 2. Maybe he should just let his older films stand alone and stop making new ones of them.

[Iwritecode]

He wasn't planning on making Mallrats 2 so soon but apparently an abandoned mall somewhere just came available and it won't be around for much longer. So he moved up the schedule.

Here's a link. (http://www.slashfilm.com/kevin-smith-mallrats-2-2015/)

[Merlin1958]

Featuring the greatest band in the world......




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9O3vC8tDj1M

[mae]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8X4qn-ldHk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zqszjAS8ms

[Merlin1958]

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Still Servant]

I decided to bump a thread that hasn't been posted in since 2009 for no reason at all.

I must say, this thread has a very odd name.

I don't remember this thread and I don't remember bumping it for no reason at all 4 years ago.

:scared:

[mae]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHI_TemTawM

[Earl of Popkin]

Kevin Smith said 3 Batmans in this film. Thanks to his trailer, we know Val and Batfleck are two of them. Assuming Diedrich is the 3rd since he was a security guard in one of these flicks?