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Mister E

12-10-2007, 11:09 AM

Anyone been following this? Anyone taking part in this? I've never seen anything like it, its brilliant!
Joker's Marketing Campaign (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12518)

Rjeso

12-11-2007, 07:28 PM

Jimmy's been tracking it since before Halloween, it's pretty freakin' sweet.

Erin

12-11-2007, 07:37 PM

I saw the cake with a cellphone inside it that the Joker sent to Perez Hilton. That was pretty darn cool.

Jimmy

12-14-2007, 04:50 AM

It was shot by a pirate in a theater, the camera's shaky but the sound is on the level.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwT8GyLxIhk&eurl=http://www.darkhorizons.com/news07/071214e.php

Heath Ledger's going to kick so much ass as The Joker.

OchrisO

12-14-2007, 04:55 AM

He's starting to convince me. He definately has the laugh down. It is almost exactly what I always heard in my head when I read the comics.

Jimmy

12-14-2007, 04:56 AM

I believed the hype and I haven't been disappointed yet.

Ledger's a beast in that trailer.

MonteGss

12-14-2007, 04:59 AM

It looks pretty cool. :)

Matt

12-14-2007, 07:37 AM

Great stuff.

Thread should probably be in Fedic though, this is about the movie right?

Jimmy

12-14-2007, 07:42 AM

Yes Matt, it's movie stuff. I wasn't sure where to put it and I figured the comics fans would be most interested and they'd see it here.

sarah

12-17-2007, 09:41 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaIR9dAZRR0&eurl=http://perezhilton.com/?paged=2

I couldn't see the other one.

Randall Flagg

12-17-2007, 12:13 PM

Since this is as much or more movie related, I moved it to Fedic Station with a 1 week redirect.

Mattrick

12-17-2007, 02:38 PM

Yes Matt, it's movie stuff. I wasn't sure where to put it and I figured the comics fans would be most interested and they'd see it here.

wrong because I think comics are hella gay but I love Batman.

People, go see the quality movie I Am Legend and see this trailer on the big screen.

Heather19

12-17-2007, 05:38 PM

This looks pretty good. And that's Heath as the Joker. I don't think I would have even realized that was him.

Erin

12-17-2007, 06:54 PM

I saw this trailer on the big screen before I Am Legend the other day. It was awesome! I can't wait. I actually think Heath is going to do a good job!

Storyslinger

12-18-2007, 07:30 AM

I saw this trailer on the big screen before I Am Legend the other day. It was awesome! I can't wait. I actually think Heath is going to do a good job!

Took the words out of my mouth

Jimmy

12-18-2007, 07:31 AM

Edit.

To The Dark Tower Came

12-21-2007, 12:30 PM

For those of you with G4 on your cable networks, the ever hip and cool Attack of the Show gave it's viewers the HD trailer also. They repeat that program constantly, so if you got, catch it again.

As a fan of both comic and the original Burton film, I like the edgy "restart" of the franchise. Joker like the Joker was meant to be REALLY, REALLY insane.

Matt

12-21-2007, 12:33 PM

eeek!!

I am going to have to be the voice of ick here. I am not pleased with the trailer--I don't understand why he has to look so grimy.

The Joker was always impeccably dressed in my experience. <sigh> And not that clown suit Jack was in either.

Not the end of the world but I just wish they would ask me before making these decisions :lol:

sarah

01-04-2008, 09:17 AM

new trailer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHufrsP9XMA

RUBE

01-04-2008, 07:32 PM

Very funny. I clicked on that thinking I was getting a real trailer.

sarah

01-04-2008, 10:11 PM

:rofl: yeah so did i at first but i still loved it. good times.

Fall of Gilead

01-05-2008, 11:12 AM

:lol:

The real trailer is awesome.

William50

01-05-2008, 12:11 PM

Looks interesing.

fernandito

07-10-2008, 08:50 PM

For anything having to do with the upcoming Batman movie!

Man, I haven't been this excited over a movie since....damn, I've never been this excited over a movie! :lol: Me and my brother are planning on catching the midnight release, what about you guys?

*Note* After the movie is released, I'm going to add a *Mark Spoilers* notice on the threads subject so that those that havent' seen it can still come in and discuss the movie. :)

http://im.rediff.com/movies/2008/apr/29look4.jpg

obscurejude

07-10-2008, 09:05 PM

Yeah man, no doubt I'll be seeing the midnight showing.

Seymour_Glass

07-10-2008, 09:24 PM

I'm gonna smuggle myself there in the trunk of my friend's car.

fernandito

07-10-2008, 09:25 PM

But uh, don't you still have to get inside the theater? :unsure:

Seymour_Glass

07-11-2008, 06:56 AM

I'm gonna use a Metal Gear Solid porn mag to distract the ticket-takers.

fernandito

07-11-2008, 08:15 AM

:lol:

I couldn't help myself - I googled images of Harvey Dent/Two Face...he looks f'n crazy! :scared:

Hannah

07-11-2008, 08:51 AM

Why wasn't this thread started a long time ago?

I can't wait to see it - but it may not be a midnight release as we have to find a sitter. :cry:

Jimmy

07-11-2008, 10:38 AM

I imagine we'll see it sooner or later.

Arthur Heath

07-11-2008, 11:03 AM

I love Christian Bale as the Dark Night and Aaron Eckhart is a great addition as Harvey Dent. Heath Ledger will most likely receive best actor for his role as Joker. He appears to nail the Joker with superb acting and passing on may have just sealed the deal.

Odetta

07-11-2008, 11:05 AM

:excited:

fernandito

07-11-2008, 03:00 PM

Brice

07-12-2008, 07:21 AM

or you could just be *sick* the day after the movie. ;)

Jimmy

07-12-2008, 08:02 AM

Nolan has already said he won't put Robin, Catwoman, Penguin or any of the "super" villain characters in the Batman movies. That really doesn't leave a lot for the movies after this.

I'd love to see Bale as Bruce training 3 young students. Orphaned circus acrobat brothers named Richard J. Grayson, Jason T. Grayson and Tim D. Grayson. Jason and Tim both have last names which can be used as first names, Todd & Drake, or in this case middle names, and their ages differ enough that they could easily have been natural brothers in the comics.

People think it's silly having a kid fighting crime with Batman. But what about 3 teenagers? What's silly about a martial artist becoming a teacher?

obscurejude

07-12-2008, 07:35 PM

I just checked all the theatres within a 15 mile radius of my house for the midnight tickets - COMPLETELY SOLD OUT.

Shit, am I down enough to buy tickets for the 3 a.m show and go straight to work after the movie is finished? :lol:

That's wild man. That stuff just doesn't happen over here. Take a nap and then go to the 3 a.m. show, that's what I'd do if I was in your position.

fernandito

07-13-2008, 05:20 AM

I think that's the way were going to go. I need to see it on opening day , damnit! I NEED TO! (choke)

Rjeso

07-13-2008, 08:12 AM

I imagine we'll see it sooner or later.

CORRECTION: We ARE going to see it, and we are going to see it in IMAX. :rock:

fernandito

07-13-2008, 11:42 AM

There's this scene in TDK that was shot specifically for an IMAX setting.

mia/susannah

07-13-2008, 02:04 PM

I just saw the preview for this movie today at my daughters house. It looks like its going to be good.

Seymour_Glass

07-13-2008, 02:13 PM

I've been reading advance reviews. They've all been good. And today I rewatched Batman Begins.

Jimmy

07-14-2008, 05:09 AM

CORRECTION: We ARE going to see it, and we are going to see it in IMAX. :rock:

You're so mean. Kidnapping is a federal offense you know. :P

There's this scene in TDK that was shot specifically for an IMAX setting.

4 scenes were shot with IMAX cameras, and the rest of the movie has been edited to fit as well. :excited:

inertia1215

07-14-2008, 05:56 AM

Just FYI, thought this was interesting.

For those of you who get the History channel, Wednesday night, at 9pm(eastern time), there is a 1 hour special called, "Batman Unmasked: The Psychology of the Dark Knight". Looks really interesting!!

fernandito

07-14-2008, 06:09 AM

There was a 15 minute special on HBO the other night : "The Making of TDK". It had interviews with all main heads (minus Ledger, obviously :cry:) and it showed brief glimpses of footage. This is going to be so f'n awesome! :drool:

Poisonbat

07-14-2008, 07:07 AM

Odetta

07-14-2008, 07:26 AM

welcome, Poisonbat! Enjoy the site!

Hannah

07-14-2008, 09:12 AM

This is my first post here, and I am happy to see other Batman fans here. I am really looking forward to this movie, he has been my hero since I was a wee little girl. I don't know about a midnight or 3 am showing, but I will see it ASAP. I am a member of the SKMB and have decided to give this forum a try too. Thanks for letting me into your world. :panic:

Welcome! Thanks for giving us a try. :D

I've loved Batman since I was a little girl as well. I didn't get started on the comics, instead I watched the cartoons and Batman with Michael Keaton. I didn't start reading comics until my little brother started buying them, then I just stole his and read them. lol:

Arthur Heath

07-14-2008, 10:06 AM

Feev - Just checked out those Two Face pics. Much more realistic and spooky than Tommy Lee Jones.

Seymour_Glass

07-14-2008, 10:51 AM

Where did you find the Two-Face pics? I've been looking, but everywhere I turn they've been taken down at the request of Warner Bros.

fernandito

07-14-2008, 11:03 AM

Skol - They do look brutal, don't they?

Seymour - Hit up Google and type in Aaron Eckhart - Two Face, or something of the like. :thumbsup:

Arthur Heath

07-14-2008, 11:19 AM

Yea, I just typed Harvey Dent \ Two Face and pics of Aaron Eckhart in makeup popped up.

Seymour_Glass

07-14-2008, 01:24 PM

All the ones i'd found so far are fake. But I found some real ones (I think) at movieweb.

fernandito

07-14-2008, 02:43 PM

(Don't open the spoiler tag if you don't want to know what Two Face looks like until you watch the movie!!)

Harvey Dent/Two Face

http://media.movieweb.com/galleries/4381/2780/lo/2face01.jpg

Seymour_Glass

07-16-2008, 04:13 PM

I'm gonna wear joker makeup to the midnight showing.

fernandito

07-16-2008, 04:31 PM

I just purchased my tickets online :

I'm going to the midnight-Thursday show!

:excited: :dance::excited: :dance::excited: :dance::excited: :dance::excited: :dance:

Seymour_Glass

07-16-2008, 05:03 PM

Sweet, man. Congrats. Me too.

sarah

07-16-2008, 05:05 PM

well it is confirmed that I will be attending the midnight showing tomorrow. :dance:

goncho

07-16-2008, 08:23 PM

ok...I´ve just returned from seeing this and I can completely say that this is the best comic book movie ever, and probably one of the best movies I´ve ever seen...I´m not going to spoil anything, I´ll wait for more people to see it to discuss it, but I´ll just say that Ledger´s portrayal of the Joker is one of the best performances I´ve ever seen on screen, and all the hype about his role was absolutely justified...

I´ve read comic books since I was 8 and Batman was always my favorite and I never experienced such exciment during a movie like today...hope you all enjoy it

The Lady of Shadows

07-17-2008, 06:49 PM

well, i'm off to see the dark knight in about 15. :yawn:

yeah. who the fuck am i kidding. i about threw the fucking computer out the window because movietickets.com crashed. see ya!

:excited: :nana: :excited: :nana: :excited: :nana: :excited:

Spencer

07-17-2008, 07:38 PM

One of my favorite Stephen King works is the "Why I Choose Batman" essay in Batman #400.

I'll head out and see this tomorrow morning. Must see anything with the greatest comics character ever, (The Joker, of course), right away.

fernandito

07-17-2008, 08:40 PM

I'm leaving to the theater in about 20 minutes!

SQUEEEEEE!! :excited: :excited: :excited:

obscurejude

07-17-2008, 11:20 PM

I just got back, its 3:20 a.m. I'll be interested to see what people thought tomorrow.

fernandito

07-18-2008, 07:43 AM

The Dark Knight! The Dark Knight! The Dark Knight! I loved it! I think I'm going to have to rewrite my 'Favorite 50 Movies of All Time' List! :D

Everything was great - the directing, the pacing, the perfect blend of action and character development. Heath Ledger stole every scene he was in with his psychotic (yet oddly charming) interpretation of the Joker. Bale was solid as Batman. Eeckhart was great as Two Face, and I loved the way his character looked. All in all it was a pretty amazing and overwhelming experience, and I can't wait for it to come out on DVD so I can watch over and over and over again. :D

Seymour_Glass

07-18-2008, 08:44 AM

I'm gonna see it again. Multiple times. That movie was it. Heath ledger was amazing. He could scare you and make you laugh at the same time. That was what movie villains should be.

It was amazing. Every single thing. The perfect Batman movie. It could be my new favorite movie ever. :excited:

All the actors were incredible. I can't say enough about Heath Ledger. I loved it so much.

Seymour_Glass

07-18-2008, 11:08 AM

There was this one guy behind me who laughed at everything the Joker did. Even the pencil.
He also said "No, not the car." when Bruce crashed the Lamborghini:shoot:

But I saw pretty much all of my friends there.

And, as I said before, new favorite movie.:clap:

fernandito

07-18-2008, 11:13 AM

I'm going to watch it again tomorrow morning, and possibly next weekend as well. :D

Spencer

07-18-2008, 12:42 PM

Co-star Michael Caine has even claimed "it is the best performance of a villain I have ever seen".

What he said. Ledger NAILED IT. Perfect. The best performance of a popular character I've ever seen.

The Lady of Shadows

07-18-2008, 03:07 PM

WOW. that's just all i can say. WOW.

did anybody see the nytimes review. it got the nytimes critics pick (which i guess is pretty high praise). the specific scenes it talks about i saw in previews (either on tv or on the web).

http://movies.nytimes.com/2008/07/18/movies/18knig.html?th&emc=th

we went to the midnight showing. all were sold out. several people in costume. batman himself graced our theatre. :) this asshole sitting in front of us keeping calling out to him before the show started. asking him to come down to the front and dance and whatever. really annoying.

some people had amazing outfits - really detailed, really elaborate. i was stunned. i felt sorry for batman; for some reason they turned the ac off in the theatre about half way thru the movie so it got damned hot in there. poor guy.

anyway, the movie totally rocked. i cannot wait to see it in imax but all those shows are sold out for like the next week or so. i am diligently checking movietickets.com for each listing to see when the next available date is . . . .

WOW.

Seymour_Glass

07-18-2008, 08:23 PM

I'm going to watch it again tomorrow morning, and possibly next weekend as well. :D

It's like we have the same exact thoughts.

Oy the Brave

07-19-2008, 12:18 AM

I don't really know how to describe this film. I had been looking forward to it since I saw Batman Begins. Everything I was expecting... ALL of my expectations... ..it exceeded them ten million fold. Incredible. Phenominal. I consider myself a film buff and I will go out on a limb and say (FOR ME) it was one of the best movies in the history of movies. I know a lot of other film buffs will kill me for saying it, but I'm sorry it's the truth. I was blown away. EVERY SINGLE ASPECT WAS... ...I can't even find the words. That's what I thought of it. Perfect. As of right now on IMDB it has a 9.6. I feel it should be even higher. I'm a straight man who will be getting married in less than a year... ...I might consider going gay for Christopher Nolan. OK, maybe not BUT DAMN CLOSE!

4 out of 4 stars. I can't even remember the last time I gave a film that high of marks.

Randall Flagg

07-19-2008, 09:02 AM

I saw the movie yesterday and thought it was very good, but a bit too long. There really were some things that could have/should have been cut.
Heath Ledger was great, but I don't think it was an Oscar winning performance.
Mick Lasalle, a reviewer for the San Francisco Chronicle described Ledger and the audiences expectations far better than I could, and I completely agree with him.

Rather than have everyone skip ahead, first let's talk about Heath Ledger. He's the linchpin of "The Dark Knight," and he's terrific. Director Christopher Nolan wanted to make an action movie that was different from other action movies - darker, more twisted, more despairing, more bleak - and he has mostly succeeded in this latest Batman installment. He can thank Ledger for a lot of that.
"The Dark Knight" rides on Ledger's performance as the Joker. So does a lot of audience hope, and that's another element at work here. There has never been a situation quite like this: Audiences for the biggest blockbuster of the summer are flooding in, not just hoping an actor will be good but also expecting and needing him to be absolutely amazing. They want something profound, to put alongside Ledger's Ennis in "Brokeback Mountain." They want the fabled gift that arrives six months after the loved one's death.
Ledger's performance can't live up to that. Perhaps no performance ever could, but especially in this case, with the limits built into the role. Nolan and his collaborators set out to deepen the action-movie form, but the Joker remains in essence a great comic book character, not Iago (or even Javier Bardem in "No Country for Old Men"). Nor will audiences find some of the other things they may be unconsciously looking for - a valedictory aspect or a suggestion that the role was eating the actor alive. The truth is, Ledger's death was a surprise to everybody, and "The Dark Knight" neither hints at it nor makes sense of it. Nothing could.

Full review (http://www.sfgate.com/eguide/movies/playing/)

I give it 5 Beers on the RFSPRS (Randall Flagg Six Pack Rating System)

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/941/5beersfz8.jpg

fernandito

07-19-2008, 09:12 AM

Randall Flagg

07-19-2008, 09:42 AM

I disagree - what did Bardem to in No Country (acting wise) that Ledger didn't do in TDK? Both were maniacal , yet charming in their own way. Both were extremely entertaining to watch, and they both immersed themselves in their respective roles to admirable extent. For me, Heath Ledger didn't play the Joker - Heath Ledger was The Joker...and I'm sure many feel the same way. Isn't that worthy of an Oscar?
It is worthy of consideration (IMO), but I don't nominate, nor do I vote once the nominees are determined.
My opinion, and perhaps mine alone is: it is a great performance, but people want it to be more than it is. I could be wrong. I often am. We'll know what those in Hollywood think in February 2009.

Seymour_Glass

07-19-2008, 10:14 AM

I think I amicably disagree with you, RF. I was actually more impressed with Heath ledger than I was with the great Javier Bardem. Heath scared you and made you laugh at the same time. He was perfect. He threw himself into the part like Javier did, but while Bardem had quiet moments, he had loud ones, ones where the Joker thought of himself as a comedy star, which in my opinion is harder to pull off.

obscurejude

07-19-2008, 05:19 PM

Fever, is there any way we could stop marking spoilers since the movie is already out? I'd like to talk some specifics without having to mark every other sentence. If you don't think its a good idea, no worries.

Seymour_Glass

07-20-2008, 01:34 PM

fernandito

07-20-2008, 04:36 PM

Sure, why not? It seems that the only people coming in here are the people that have seen it anyway....

Let me edit the title accordingly.

bangoskank1

07-20-2008, 05:03 PM

Just got done watching this and I have only one comment on the whole thing......Heath Ledger fucking rocked out The Joker...dot,period,the end.

The Lady of Shadows

07-20-2008, 05:12 PM

there is no way in hell that i am not seeing this in imax. i don't care if i have to fucking haunt movietickets.com for the rest of my natural life.

oh, and did i mention how much i fucking loved heath ledger in this movie? just checking.

Empath of the White

07-20-2008, 05:48 PM

I'd be satisfied if the franchise ended here, tell ya true. My only complaint was Two-Face dying at the end. I'd rather they saved him for the third movie and done a deeper exploration into the Batman/Joker freaky relationship. That pencil trick was crazy, man, as was that video of Joker and Brian.

Actually, I felt that this was proof Spider-Man 3 could've worked if Raimi had been more open-minded about the Venom character.

Ka-mai

07-20-2008, 07:43 PM

obscurejude

07-20-2008, 08:24 PM

Wait, Two-Face died? I thought he was just unconscious and waiting for the hypothetical third movie! Eh, either way.

Okay. First off, I loved this movie. Especially the motorcycle scene. And seeing the Joker in a nurse outfit. And not looking at Katie Holmes' stupid "I married Tom Cruise and became a Scientologist" face (seriously, I can't even look at her anymore). All the major actors (Bale, Ledger, Oldman, Gyllenhal, Eckhart, Freeman, Caine [spelling for some of those?]) were fantastic. I would love to see a third, but I don't want them to drag this forever. Pencil scene = awesome. Boat scene = awesome (I admit when the big black prisoner got up and reached for the detonator I thought "Oh shit, they're making the black guy the villain!" :lol: So I'm very glad I was wrong about that.). Also, THANK GOD someone finally realized where Batman got his Batmobile! I kept thinking during BB that someone in that freaking company had to recognize it, or someone had to at least wonder where Batman got his toys. So it made me happy that they addressed the issue.

Things I did not like:
- I thought having that first scene with Cillian Murphy cameoing as the Scarecrow was pretty lame. It felt out of place. Nothing led into it and nothing came out of it. Just very odd. Stupid fanservice.
- The last five minutes were very preachy and cheesy and I just felt they could have cut the "Batman sacrifices himself for Gotham, he is so wonderful, I want to have his batbabies!" fanboyness of Gordon out of it. Or shortened it, anyway.
- I thought Two-Face's face was overdone. And if his burns had been that severe, he would have had severely limited motion left, so all that talking would be pretty much impossible. They could have made him shocking without going to that level. It just seemed very camp to me. Also, his death that I didn't notice was a little fast.

I have to admit this movie was a little too layered and fast-paced for me to keep track of everything, so I have to go see it again. I'm sure I'm not the only person thinking this, though.

Two Face died. :( I thought that was obvious since Batman took the rap for the his murders in order to preserve the image of the "White Knight" (why he was running at the end).

The moto scene was bad ass, especially when he used that wall to do the 180. Very cool. :cool:

The black guy throwing the detonator out the window was a surprise for me and a clear example of the ambiguity between good and evil that the movie was striving for. Some of the dialog was so infused with sordid thoughts about justice that I had a hard time knowing what to feel. This scene conveyed a lot of philosophy much more concretely in my opinion.

I agree about the Scarecrow scene. That wasn't really needed and I found myself repeatedly thinking about it throughout the movie. I was trying to piece it somewhere, but realized it was better left alone.

I thought the last five minutes were some of the best, because again, it was difficult for me to understand some of the dialog about justice at times (I read a reviewer on npr that also thought it lacked cohesion at points). What did Gordon say? Something to the effect "Batman is the hero that Gotham deserves, and that is why we are chasing him." I look forward to seeing it again and thinking through some of this in regards to the deeper structure of the movie.

Two face overdone? I found it pretty frightening and thought it was cool. Sort of like the previous Joker adaptations compared to the terrifying Ledger. The visual efficacy of both characters is tandem to their motives. Dent's fall from grace was shocking, and I thought the visual fit.

I'm going to save some of my complaints about the plot. I want to think about it some more.

:gladiator voice:
Ka Mai, are you satisfied? Are you satisfied?

Ka-mai

07-20-2008, 08:34 PM

Ok, yes, that makes sense now. He died. I just didn't think they'd kill him off that fast so I just assumed he was still breathing.

The detonator scene actually started a discussion between Matt and myself about if we would press the button. We were both very pleased that no one did... I actually thought the timer would be automatic and both ships would blow. I'm glad they didn't do it like that.

I thought Dent's fall from grace would have been equally characterized by shiny, red raw flesh without holes in it. Maybe oozing a little. Still gross, still shocking, but not caricaturized.

Anyway, I can see your points, I just think Gordon's little lecture could have been shorter. It got boring.

Yes, I'm satisfied. :D Thank you.

obscurejude

07-20-2008, 08:39 PM

The Lady of Shadows

07-20-2008, 09:17 PM

i actually thought the detonaters would blow up their own ships. i was heartened to see that neither ship would blow up the other. especially that the one prisoner, who seemed like he was going to do it based on his dialogue, in the end didn't. it was like, "look you don't have the guts to stand up and be a man - here let me. i may be a prisoner but i am still a man." i loved that.

Seymour_Glass

07-21-2008, 03:51 AM

The boat scene was one of my favorites. Dark, but still optimistic about the human spirit.

valtr0n

07-21-2008, 04:16 AM

The Scarecrow scene was necessary for a few reasons.

It ties up the loose end from Batman Begins. We last see him freaking out on his horse.

The scene also sets up a reason for a new batsuit.

Thirdly, it sets up the idea that Gotham loves Batman and wants to emulate him. It shows that he's been making a difference since the last movie ended.

fernandito

07-21-2008, 06:01 AM

The Scarecrow scene was necessary for a few reasons.

It ties up the loose end from Batman Begins. We last see him freaking out on his horse.

Exactly. It's a response to the last moments in BB when Gordon tells Batman that all the inmates have escaped, and Bats says somethign to the effect of "We will get them back."

The scene also sets up a reason for a new batsuit.

Right on. :cool:

obscurejude

07-21-2008, 10:15 AM

Good points Valtron and Feev. I still think it was a little confusing in the midst of the initial viewing.

Erin

07-21-2008, 11:22 AM

Saw the movie last night and loved it.

My absolute favorite part...the Joker in the nurse uniform scene. I loved when he's walking out with the place blowing up behind him, twitching his fingers. And when he starts shaking the detonator when it doesn't work. :lol:

Also loved the boats scene, especially the look of surprise on the Joker's face when he realizes it's after midnight and no one blew anyone else up.

Loved how Batman proved he's international, going to Hong Kong to bring back a crook. :lol:

Seriously though, I throughly enjoyed the movie and was amazed by Ledger's performance. I've been a huge Batman comic fan for years, with the Joker being one of my favorites and I think justice was done.

Seymour_Glass

07-21-2008, 12:10 PM

I didn't really like the Hong Kong sequence. I just think that batman should be kept in Gotham.

fernandito

07-21-2008, 12:15 PM

Erin - my sister loved the nurse joker scene as well. When we came out of the theatres, she was like "I'm going to tattoo Nurse-Joker on my back, and then I'm planning on naming my son Heath Ledger". :lol:

Erin

07-21-2008, 12:22 PM

:rofl: Now that's a tattoo i've got to see.

His "I believe in Harvey Dent" sticker on the uniform was priceless too. I loved the attention to detail.

theBeamisHome

07-21-2008, 12:55 PM

Yay! I wasn't coming in here until i could speak on spoilers.. and i don't usually have internet on the weekends.

I agree with Feev about the Scarecrow scene... I was actually glad to see him again.

Am I the only person that KNEW that Zeus (big black prisoner) wasn't gonna push the button? I was actually more worried about the asshole in the citizen boat trying to blow the prisoners to smithereens... lol maybe cuz I'm black but that's a different thread :D.
And I agree completely with t/s... I told Nigel that too, if they had pressed the button they'd have blown up their own boat I think. Just seems so Joker.

Heath Ledger was a fucking GENIUS Joker... even better than Nicholson and that's almost blasphemous for me. The pencil scene was chilling. The nurse scene was hilarious. I also liked the touch with the Dent sticker.

I also loved how they played on The Killing Joke... how the Joker doesn't even remember how he got his scars, he's given so many different stories.

Two-Face's face didn't bother me much, but I understand the problem with it being unrealistic. And I didn't think he should die just because of the whole Batman story comic book-wise, but in the movie I think he had to die.

Seymour_Glass

07-21-2008, 01:11 PM

Am i the only person in the world who thought that Jack Nicholson made a crappy Joker?

Empath of the White

07-21-2008, 04:05 PM

No, I'm of the same opinion. Aside from his reveal in Grissom's office, he was kinda a drag for me. I preferred Catwoman and Penguin in BR to Nicholson's Joker. Not that he didn't capture one of the many facets of the Joker's persona...its just that I liked the aspects Ledger personified more than the silly ones Nicholson did.

Seymour_Glass

07-21-2008, 04:37 PM

Empath of the White

07-21-2008, 07:38 PM

Aw thankee sai. :)
I was following this for a while on a superhero message board. You wouldn't believe the uproar over Joker applying makeup and not having his usual bleached skin look. Another thing this movie had that I really enjoyed was the car chase to get Dent to the prison. I hated the one in Begins, Returns, Forever, and B&R (the phallic imagery here was quite overwhelming, tell ya true). It was just that good, imo.

Ka-mai

07-21-2008, 08:07 PM

Ok, I can kind of see why Scarecrow was brought back, but I did think the scene was a little out of place. They might have been able to have it flow better.

Nurse Joker (complete with sticker) was absolute genius. I can't wait to see it again. :D

I read an article voicing the opinion that the Joker's different stories on his scars were just another way to point out that he's a liar. I think he's right.

obscurejude

07-21-2008, 08:13 PM

Loved how Batman proved he's international, going to Hong Kong to bring back a crook. :lol:

I thoroughly agree. I thought that was awesome and made it more realistic. One of the things I like about Batman is that he's a normal human being (like Ironman) and not genetically engineered or supernatural etc... The Hong Kong sequence accentuated this aspect for me.

Sam

07-21-2008, 10:10 PM

TheBeamisHome, I was with you in knowing that Lister (Zeus) wasn't going to push the button.

I truly enjoyed the movie. I thought Ledger's Joker was easily the best characterization so far. I was disappointed with the makeup though. The Joker never had a painted (or permanent) smile. He had ruby red lips and had a big smile. The smile of a maniac. It's just exaggerated in the comics. Aside from that, I had no issues with The Joker.

Two-Face was wasted in this picture. That is my biggest complaint. He is just as big a character as The Joker and just as important to the mythos. They took a great character and basically threw him away with this film. They could have kept him alive and had the makings for the next feature. That story could have written itself. Such potential, and such waste.

I was disappointed to see the character of Rachel die (and happy too, she knew too much) but it was well used to further the Two-Face character.

It was good, and it was the better of the two stories so far by Nolan, but it could have been more. Like its predecessor, it was overly convoluted and long. I am not opposed to a lengthy film, but when I'm looking at my watch to see how long it's been going, that means the story had started plodding. I can easily name five films that did not result in me looking at my watch the first time I saw them. 300, The Notebook, Seven Samurai (204 minutes running time for that one), The Last Samurai, and Where the Heart Is. As you can tell, this is not just a list of action films. Rather, it is a list of films that held my interest with good story, good acting, and good STORY!!! I just wish they had done more culling with the story and concentrated on one thing rather than adding as much as they did and creating chaos with the plot. This isn't like the comics, we can't go back and re-read the section that we misread. The film moves on regardless if we like it or not or understand it. Just my thoughts.

I had high hopes. The movie delivered on many levels, but failed on a few too.

All in all, worth your time to see it in the theater. Worth your time, your money, and the gas to get there. You'll enjoy it. BUT... I think this film will be better the second or third time I see it. I'll be waiting for the dvd for more viewings.

theBeamisHome

07-22-2008, 04:14 AM

I didn't think any villain was ever on the same level as Joker. Every other villain comes secondary to him... except maybe Ra's al Ghul

Sam

07-22-2008, 05:44 AM

Have you ever read "The Long Halloween"? Harvey Dent/Two-Face plays a big role in that story, and it cements his status as one of the MAJOR Batman villians.

theBeamisHome

07-22-2008, 05:48 AM

mmmmmm..... idk.... i guess he should be since he and Bruce were friends before, but i've just always thought that Joker was Batman's arch-nemesis.... but Two-Face.... idk... but i haven't read that Halloween one tho so...

hey anyone here read No Man's Land?

Spencer

07-22-2008, 08:02 AM

(I admit when the big black prisoner got up and reached for the detonator

Oh, that was no ordinary prisoner, That was Tiny "Zeus" Lister, (Also known as Debo from the "Friday" movies), in an awesome cameo, making this movie even cooler.

Zeus:
http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/04/machozues.jpg
http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/z/zeus/03.jpg
http://www.theboxset.com/images/reviewcaptures/976capture_friday02.jpg

Spencer

07-22-2008, 08:03 AM

Lister (Zeus)

Ah, you beat me to it. :lol:

Empath of the White

07-22-2008, 09:35 AM

If anyone has read Dark Victory, I was hoping for a similar plot with Two-Face, playing the freaks and the traditional mobsters against each other to create a city-wide gang war.

I always viewed Joker as the archnemesis and Two-Face as the distorted image of Batman.

Spencer

07-22-2008, 09:37 AM

I've read Dark Victory. Liked The Long Halloween much better, but that one was good. Of course, The Killing Joke is best of all, and much of Ledger's inspiration came from there.

Ka-mai

07-22-2008, 10:40 AM

I never read the comic books, but I'm wondering how faithful any Batman movie was to them... I'm guessing not much. Most movies have only vague resemblances to book/comic plots (Harry Potter movies take the "vague" resemblance to a whole new level <_<).

Hannah

07-22-2008, 10:48 AM

Loved it. I think my panties were wet this whole movie. Geez.

I loved the monologue with the Joker when he was in Harvey's hospital room.

I am an agent of chaos.

Probably one of the best monologues I've seen in a long time.

I loved Bruce Wayne running his car to save the Gordon and the whistle blower in the police van.

Gordon: That was a brave thing you did right there.
Bruce: What, trying to beat the light?

So cute.

Heath Ledger killed the joker performance. I was telling Aaron, I always loved Jack N's Joker, but I think that had more to do w/ watching Batman as a kid. But Heath Ledger's joker was scarier. He was more real.

I loved the little pop in of scarecrow and the fake batmans (batmen?).

fernandito

07-22-2008, 11:12 AM

Dark Victory and The Long Halloween were great, Haunted Knight was....ehhh...

theBeamisHome

07-22-2008, 11:16 AM

Mark

07-22-2008, 11:28 AM

The film isn't out here yet i don't think, which is a bummer 'cause i go away this weekend so i doubt i'll be able to watch it until i get back :cry:

Matt

07-22-2008, 11:30 AM

So Batman beats his mother? :lol:

Empath of the White

07-22-2008, 11:53 AM

So Batman beats his mother? :lol:

Wait...are you referring to something Two-Face/Harvey Dent did? If so, excuse me since my knowledge of Two-Face/Harvey Dent is limited to TLH and DV. :ninja:

Matt

07-22-2008, 12:12 PM

I'm just saying that the actor that plays Batman was arrested this morning for beating his mother.

That's what I heard anyway

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=672044

fernandito

07-22-2008, 12:16 PM

WTF...

Unfound One

07-22-2008, 12:22 PM

Fox News has a bit different story - he was released on bail.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,388124,00.html

theBeamisHome

07-22-2008, 12:25 PM

hmmmm... who to believe...

fernandito

07-22-2008, 12:29 PM

Maybe they refused to tell him where the Joker was hiding -

WHERE IS HE?!

Matt

07-22-2008, 12:36 PM

I just posted the first random link I found on the internet. Not sure of the source and all that.

I saw the story originally on Fox this morning (America's News Room)

Spencer

07-22-2008, 02:56 PM

Batman and Joker: They are nothing without each other© July 20, 2008
By Hank Stuever

I'VE BEEN THINKING lately. About you and me. About what's going to happen to us, in the end. We're going to kill each other, aren't we?"

That's the Batman talking, a couple of decades ago, to his archnemesis, The Joker, in the opening pages of a graphic novel that changed both of them and made their relationship more wonderfully sick.

Usually The Joker is the one who articulates the nutty co-dependence here. Almost every time they meet, Joker has the gall to remind Batman that they are each nothing without the other, and he usually brings this up as Batman is kicking the heck out of him, in an almost erotic moment of sadomasochism. Joker loves it, laughing his head off with each punch. (And Batman loves it, yes?) The world doesn't quite understand, even though these two have been going at it for 68 years.

"To them, you're a freak," Heath Ledger's Joker tells Christian Bale's Batman in the just-opened "Dark Knight." "Like me."

As if Batman didn't have enough problems, around which entire dissertations have been written. But the problem of Joker, the cruel terrorist with the appalling clown face, has nagged him in one way or another since 1940. Writers and artists (and filmmakers, and actors) adore The Joker because the narrative dynamic is so arresting, as a pure visual: The guy in black is the good one? And the clown is the bad one?

Sometimes, especially in the 1950s and '60s, their tangles were built for laughs. (Oh, that Joker - spray-painting priceless works at the Gotham Museum of Art!) That was about as interesting as going to a cheap circus.

Later, in the '80s, Joker story lines and depictions got scary enough that you didn't want to sleep in the same room with your comic books, but none of his antics ever trumped his infamous calling card: a joker from the deck, left on corpses. Corpses with frozen stares and frozen smiles.

From the first, the makers of the early Batman comic books felt Joker should be a mass killer, and that there shouldn't be any reason why he kills, other than it introduces anarchy into Batman's world. This was awful to think about back in '40s America, when there wasn't a serial killer with a new fetish greeting you in every bookstore and on the screen. A killer clown, imagine!

"Batman" creator Bob Kane and others took their cues from the 1928 silent movie adaptation of Victor Hugo's "The Man Who Laughs," starring Conrad Veidt as the tormented soul with a garishly immobile smile that had been carved onto his face as a child. The plan was to kill Joker off in an issue or two, but, as comic book legend has it, the last panel of Joker's debut story was redrawn on deadline. That way, he could escape death and return sometime later.

Joker came back again, and keeps coming: as an elaborately prankish bank robber in the 1950s, as Cesar Romero's buffoonish baddie on the "Batman" TV series in the '60s; as a deranged post-Carnaby Street dandy with Charlie Manson undertones in the '70s.

Once the best comic books grew up and became graphic novels, the cruelty and psychosis of Joker became fuller and more terrifying. Instead of becoming more of a cartoon, he became quiet and deliberate and that's where he got creepy. There was a lot more blood.

The world has become much more accustomed to anarchy as a form of trendiness, and in a way The Joker is a symbol of that. Also, it helps his case enormously that people have a special, deep loathing for clowns. (Thank you, John Wayne Gacy.)

Batman pays a visit to Joker's cell at Arkham Asylum, that Gothic criminal mental ward on the outskirts of town, in the opening pages of the classic 1988 graphic novel "Batman: The Killing Joke."

"Perhaps you'll kill me. Perhaps I'll kill you. Perhaps sooner - perhaps later," Batman tells his foe, starting to sound like he'd banged bongos in a men's support group. "I don't fully understand why ours should be such a fatal relationship... "

But The Joker isn't listening.

He's just playing solitaire. The Joker isn't listening because it's not really The Joker, it's a jail-cell impostor. Batman grabs him and runs a finger over the face, and the white makeup comes off, and now he knows: Joker is on the outside, escaped again. In every Joker story this is always the best moment. He is not where you think he is, and the joke's on you.

Finally, in this re-evaluation of Joker, there is the obvious matter that the actor playing him in "The Dark Knight" died in January, not long after completing the film.

In all the fretting about whether this would affect the marketing of "The Dark Knight," people found it very difficult to say the awful, Joker-like truth: We like it better because of it.

Batman, the vigilante: so yesterday.

Joker, unhinged, bringing death: so today.

Who needs whom the most now?

Spencer

07-22-2008, 02:57 PM

PS, This is my favorite movie in the history of the universe.

Ka-mai

07-22-2008, 04:23 PM

I kind of think that Bale's mom and sister probably said something retarded, and he probably got pretty pissed off, but I think if he had actually hit someone they'd be holding him. A man that big hits you, you're gonna have a mark to show to the police.

I don't know, maybe it's just that I've been a huge fan since we were both little, but I think it's total crap. Or at least not nearly the big deal they're making it.

Girlystevedave

07-22-2008, 04:32 PM

Just saw The Dark Knight today, and what can I say but :drool:
I enjoyed EVERY FUCKING SECOND of it!! And I can really see now why Ledger's portrayal of Joker has been so talked about. I can't vouch as far as the comics, but growing up with Nicholson as the Joker that I knew of...I liked seeing this darker, more twisted portrayal of Joker. :) He's a f'n maniac and I loved it.
I wish I could list all my favorite scenes, but Damn! They were all awesome. ..:clap:

Spencer

07-22-2008, 05:23 PM

You my kind of girl, stevedave. :D I agree with you, every scene with The Joker was a classic.

Seymour_Glass

07-22-2008, 06:02 PM

Sai Joshua

07-22-2008, 07:25 PM

Saw the "Dark Knight" the night it opened and I literally wanted to go right back in and see it again. I have only done this with a handful of movies. Heath Ledger's Joker was beyond belief. I think it will be a shame if he doesn't get a nod for an oscar at least. Maybe Christian Bale's mom and sister told him Heath blew his doors off, that's why he blew a fuse!
I will say he is the best Batman we've had, but I am not sure if I've ever seen anything that compared to what Heath Ledger accomplished in this film.

Girlystevedave

07-22-2008, 08:14 PM

Yeah...I totally plan to go back to the theater soon to see this again. :nana:

Rjeso

07-22-2008, 08:21 PM

OMGOMGOMG. That was AWESOME. And we know who the next villains are gonna be. Sweeeeet.

I had no idea Two-Face was going to be in this one, and I love how they brought about the scarred, twisted side of his face/personality. Well done. MUCH better than "oh, here's some acid and a file folder." :rolleyes:

I completely lost Heath Ledger in the Joker. I wasn't seeing Ledger at all; all I saw was a criminally insane guy with some crazy effin' facepaint. Fabulous.

I also really enjoyed Aaron Eckhardt. He did a great job. Michael Caine and Gary Oldman are always good, no matter what they do. :D

But what the hell's up with Gordon having a daughter? Where's that niece, eh?

Rjeso

07-22-2008, 08:30 PM

I've read Dark Victory. Liked The Long Halloween much better, but that one was good. Of course, The Killing Joke is best of all, and much of Ledger's inspiration came from there.

The Killing Joke = :wub:

theBeamisHome

07-23-2008, 04:52 AM

I thought Barbara Gordon was the commissioners daughter... That's what I remember from No Man's Land.

Oh and with all this commentary on Ledger's performance I would like to expound on what Sai Joshua said and say that Bale is the best Batman. I was talking to my Nigel about it after we came out of the theater and the reason I love him so much as the Caped Crusader is because he plays Bruce Wayne perfectly!! The way he crashed his own party for Harvey Dent coming down in a helicopter with three pretty girls on his arm. THAT is Bruce Wayne. He plays Bruce Wayne like he's they mask, which he is. Batman is the real man, Bruce Wayne is just a cover-up and he's supposed to be this trust-fund baby playboy. And Christian Bale kills it. Like someone mentioned earlier (too lazy to look it up) the scene where he crashes his Lambo (cringe) and then acts like he didn't do it on purpose was pure genius.

Aaron

07-23-2008, 06:53 AM

Last night on the local news they were saying that Bale wasn't charged at all. Said that they just questioned him.

I have things...many things to say about this awesome movie. But I have to do that working thing right now. To be continued...

Seymour_Glass

07-23-2008, 03:47 PM

Gordon's wife is named barbara, and his niece/daughter was named after her. Like his son was named after him. Those writers were real creative with the names.

fernandito

07-23-2008, 04:07 PM

*This article is pretty lengthy, but completely worth it!*

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The Villains of Batman 3
IGN wonders who might terrorize Gotham City in the next movie.
by Jim Vejvoda

July 22, 2008 - With The Dark Knight now in theaters, IGN Movies is already looking ahead to a third Christopher Nolan-directed Batman movie and pondering what it might be about. Just as the ending of Batman Begins introduced the theme of escalation that its sequel explored, The Dark Knight established that things were going to get much worse for Batman and for Gotham City before they will get better.

TDK ends with Batman a wanted man, falsely accused of murdering five people including police officers. Batman sacrificed his own reputation in order to protect the memory of fallen district attorney Harvey Dent, who had transformed into the vengeful Two-Face. Gotham needed a hero, a figure of hope to believe in so that it could remain inspired to save itself from crime and corruption. In the end, Batman finds himself alone, hunted by his former police allies, and mourning the loss of his beloved Rachel Dawes.

A third Batman film would likely focus on the redemption of the Caped Crusader in the eyes of the public. What better or more obvious way for that to happen than for Batman to save the city (once again) from a villain bent on its destruction. The trick is to select villains that can be adapted to a real world environment AND fit in thematically with the storyline and stakes established in the first two films. That's a rather tall order and would seem to narrow down the list of potential villains quite a bit.

Why not just recast the Joker and bring back Two-Face, you ask? With Heath Ledger dead and his portrayal of the Joker now indelibly etched into filmgoers' minds, we think it highly unlikely that the filmmakers would recast the role to bring the Clown Prince back. It would also be tough for that character to top what he did to Batman and Gotham in TDK so perhaps once is enough. Likewise, the ending of TDK seemed to suggest that Harvey Dent/Two-Face was dead, although producer Emma Thomas told IGN after an early press screening that Dent's last scene was ambiguous enough to suggest that perhaps he was still alive.

If Dent is still alive, did Gordon have him covertly locked away in Arkham? Given TDK's overt political overtones, the idea of a secret prisoner hidden from the world would be in line with the ethical questions raised in the second film. Having Dent escape and show the city what he'd really become would at least get Batman off the hook for the murders that he didn't commit, but we don't see the filmmakers bringing Dent back either. Story-wise, what more could be done with Joker or Two-Face that TDK didn't accomplish? We suggest the filmmakers bring in new villains for the third movie, but that doesn't mean they can't be tied to the events of the first two films.

Employing a villain such as Talia al Ghul, the estranged daughter of Batman Begins' Ra's al Ghul, would not only tie Batman 3 back to the first film but also give the series a new female lead (and potential love interest) now that Rachel Dawes has been killed off. Talia could be out to finish the job her father had failed to do: destroy Gotham, which after TDK seems more hopeless than ever. Ra's may have had a Lazarus pit in the comics, but we don't see Nolan resorting to such comic book gimmickry to bring him back. Talia and a new League of Shadows would be enough. Talia would have the resources and will to bring about Gotham's destruction, the prevention of which might just put the Dark Knight back in the good graces of his hometown. (One problem with Talia, however, is that Warner Bros. might not want Nolan to use the character if they make a JLA movie and she's a villain in that.)

Perhaps the filmmakers could use a "No Man's Land"-esque storyline that finds Gotham City sealed off from the rest of the county, the victim of some terrible calamity such as a biochemical attack or a viral outbreak. In keeping with the series' war on terror metaphors, as well as the abandonment of Gotham City in "No Man's Land," a private corporation could be brought in to save and secure the city and those who have stayed behind. This outfit, obviously, would be a front for the villains who were behind the attack (Talia and the League). Batman would have to expose and defeat them, thus restoring himself as Gotham's savior. Even playboy Bruce Wayne could be redeemed in the public eye thanks to his philanthropic efforts in aiding his forsaken city.

What of the more colorful (and better known) members of Batman's rogue's gallery? Is there room for them in a third Nolan Bat-flick? The answer might be found in TDK.As the Joker told Batman, "You've changed things forever. There's no going back." A third film would likely show how this has panned out, with the underworld being divvied up between increasingly eccentric criminals, such as The Penguin (who is perhaps never referred to by that name), Black Mask and maybe even the Ventriloquist. None of them have to be the main villain; they could merely be there to show how wild and bizarre things are getting in Gotham. Some characters, no matter how popular they are, just might not fit into the world that Nolan has created or operate on a grand enough scale for the stakes that have been established in the first two films (nothing less than the salvation of Gotham City and Bruce Wayne's efforts not to abandon his own moral code in pursuit of that goal). Catwoman might be cool but how exactly does she fit into Nolan's take on the Batman universe? How do you explain a woman dressing up as a cat? It took a whole movie just to justify why Batman wore his outfit. The real world tone necessitates a supervillain who could conceivably exist. That's why we think the next major villain Batman will fight on-screen will be King Tut. Just kidding. No, our hunch is that the Riddler will be the secondary (yet better known) supervillain in the next film.

Given the ending of TDK, the most obvious antagonist for Batman to face in a third film would be Jim Gordon and the GCPD. With Batman now a wanted murderer (a cop killer to boot), it would make sense for the public and politicians to demand the GCPD bring in Batman once and for all. But seeing as how Batman has made short work of the cops in the past, they would need help catching him. The Mayor (or perhaps Boss Rupert Thorne) could demand that they bring in a hired gun to help get the job done. Enter the Riddler, who is currently portrayed in the comics as a good bad guy who helps the cops crack cases. He possesses a superior intellect and proves it by solving mysteries.

The trick with the Riddler is not portraying him as a Joker wannabe or a garish buffoon. By making him Batman's intellectual equivalent and a possible replacement hero for the city, he becomes more of a threat to Batman. What if Edward Nygma is brought in to find out who Batman really is and help the cops get him, but he secretly has his own nefarious agenda? Primary villain Talia al Ghul doesn't have to know that Bruce was Ra's pupil or is Batman, so her seeking Riddler's help would make that much more sense then. Whomever that next villain is their job will be to test Batman. Ra's al Ghul did so by seeing if Batman's compassion was also his weakness; the Joker pushed Batman to the brink of breaking his one rule (no killing) and almost revealing his true identity. Seeing as how the Riddler has always posed questions to Batman, he seems like the right villain to continue Nolan's tradition of testing Batman's ethical boundaries.

valtr0n

07-23-2008, 04:16 PM

I'd really like to see Zsasz.

He would be absolutely fantastic on the big screen, even if it's a minor-type role.

Ka-mai

07-23-2008, 05:51 PM

I heard on the radio (sorry to say I wasn't paying attention until the end, because I didn't realize who they were talking about) that some words were thrown around between Bale and his mom and sister, basically the usual "you'd be nothing without me, you think you're such a big shot, etc." from the family, well he tried to get them out of the building, and pushed his mom out the door, and she fell.

Sounds like just a family dispute causing a scene to me. Since he wasn't charged I don't think anything more serious happened at all and people are just making a big deal of it.

Empath of the White

07-23-2008, 07:10 PM

Last week I got the batman anime, Gotham Knight. One of the villains was a guy named Deadshot. I could easily see him brought into the third movie. Maybe in their want to bring Batman to justice, a higher up in the GPD could hire the assassin to pursue Batman while the mob utilizes Riddler to track down the Bat. Or vice-versa. Then whichever works for the mob could sell them out by giving them false info on Batman or his whereabouts. Said info could lead them into a trap organized by a freak mobster, like say Ventriloquist or Black Mask.

Admitedly, I'd prefer for Gordon to have had Two-Face secretly incarcerated while having thrown a false funeral/memorial to hide his deeds from the public. Nolan does like twists, but I don't know about this one. I was just really hoping for a freaks vs mob in the last movie, with Joker in this one being something of a catalyst for the war. Acutally, Two-Face, in keeping with his psyche, could be playing both sides of the war to wipe out the freaks and the mob. Two sides, one lives, one dies.

But, tis only a dream now.<_<

Oh, and Zsazs was in Begins. He made a cameo appearance in Dr. Crane's court scene, and again in the third act as the head of the mob approaching Rachel and the kid in the Narrows.

Anyone think Scarecrow getting pwned could be a running gag? While I'm glad he finally made it to the big screen, I'd be willing to accept it. If we do get Riddler, I'd like him to be fairly built, like in TAS and with an equally calm demeanor, as if everything fits into his plans. I didn't care for the jittery guy he was written as in The Long Halloween or Dark Victory.

citiesburnred

07-23-2008, 08:02 PM

So I saw this movie like a whole 2 hours ago and it was easily one of my favorite movies...and the best one so far this year...Ledger as The Joker was just brilliant loved every second and every weird out of that lunatics mouth, Bale is my favorite actor as Batman.

The only thing that I somewhat don't understand is the point of having Scarecrow for the whole..10 minutes he's on the screen...I mean at the end of Begins wasn't he doused with his own drug and institutionalized? maybe I'm just recalling the movie wrong since it's been a while since I've seen it but the Scarecrow being part of that drug deal really confused me...Anyone have any idea?

Empath of the White

07-23-2008, 08:29 PM

I mean at the end of Begins wasn't he doused with his own drug and institutionalized? maybe I'm just recalling the movie wrong since it's been a while since I've seen it but the Scarecrow being part of that drug deal really confused me...Anyone have any idea?

No, he was still loose. They were just tying up loose ends, though I would have preferred he still be in the tattered straight jacket thingy. Its a minor complaint. I'm just glad they didn't kill him.:rock:

citiesburnred

07-23-2008, 09:01 PM

Ah alright that makes more sense...I guess I should have watched Begins today before going to see this ones like I had planned to but I couldn't find it so oh well

theBeamisHome

07-24-2008, 10:32 AM

see? like i said No Man's Land, but I though Ra's al Ghul's daughter's name was Cassandra??? :wtf:

Rjeso

07-24-2008, 11:47 AM

Pretty sure the villains in Batman 3 will be The Riddler and Catwoman.

"Does it [the armor] protect against dogs?"
"It'll stop a cat."

Also, what about Anthony Michael Hall's character's name? Mr. Reese? Doesn't that sound like "Mysteries/Mr. E."?

theBeamisHome

07-24-2008, 11:54 AM

.... Anthony Michael Hall.... isn't that Dexter?

fernandito

07-24-2008, 11:58 AM

Pretty sure the villains in Batman 3 will be The Riddler and Catwoman.

While I do think that The Riddler will be the next villian in the final movie, I don't think that Catwoman will make an appearance...or at play a major role, anyway. Like the guy in the article said - it took a whole movie to justify why a man would dress up like a bat, how much time would Nolan need to devote to explain why a woman would need to dress up like a cat?

theBeamisHome

07-24-2008, 12:02 PM

i thought Nolan wasn't even sure if he was doing a third movie...

fernandito

07-24-2008, 12:21 PM

Yeah, technically he doesn't have to direct it if he doesn't want to, his contract was only for 2 movies. Hopefully he comes to his senses and decides to go ahead with it; Bale has already stated on a couple occasions that he would love to reprise his role for a third film.

Seymour_Glass

07-24-2008, 01:23 PM

But how could they top this one?

The Lady of Shadows

07-24-2008, 02:03 PM

.... Anthony Michael Hall.... isn't that Dexter?

noooo. that would be michael c. hall. (who is amazing and awesome by the way!)

Yunsung

07-24-2008, 02:07 PM

.... Anthony Michael Hall.... isn't that Dexter?

noooo. that would be michael c. hall. (who is amazing and awesome by the way!)

Anthony Michael Hall was Johnny in the TV series of The Dead Zone, though.

Empath of the White

07-24-2008, 07:09 PM

In your opinion, what stood out from everything else in the movie?

For me it was the television broadcast with Brian, the fake Batman. That was genuinely frightening.

What they need to do, should they continue, is find a way to redeem Batman in the eyes of the city. My preferred way is for Two-Face to actually be alive, having been secretly incarcerated by Jim Gordon to hide the truth of Dent's actions from Gotham. Two-Face would escape and start a gang war between freaks (Scarecrow, maybe Ventriloquist, and another low level flunkie that qualifies as a freak) and the mob. They could bring in the Phantasm, a female villain with a grudge against the mob (see Mask of the Phantasm). Another masked vigilante (vigilantess, not that the public would know) killing mobsters? This new character makes Batman seem a lot tamer.

Girlystevedave

07-24-2008, 07:51 PM

I'm gonna randomly post scenes that I loved.....:D

I really liked the silent scenes when Batman was just gliding through the night air. It was so serene and peaceful, then BAM! crash through a window and beat the crap out of a bunch of people.
SWEET!

fernandito

07-24-2008, 08:45 PM

THE BAT POD.

Girlystevedave

07-24-2008, 09:05 PM

Ooh ooh ooh...the part where the Batmobile gets all f*cked up and the warning messages keep coming across the screen and I'm watching like: "Oh hell..what's he gonna do?" Then the fucking bike transforms from the Batmobile. :excited:
Nice!

Spencer

07-25-2008, 02:57 AM

'The Dark Knight' voted best movie of all-time

'The Dark Knight' has been voted as the best movie of all-time on popular website Internet Movie Database's (IMDb) list of the top 250 movies of all time.

Even though it has only been on release for one week in Australia and the US, the Batman sequel has taken the number one slot from 'The Godfather', which previously held the position since the late Nineties.

Positioning on the chart is decided by average ratings from public votes. 'The Dark Knight' has a rating of 9.4 out of 10 with around115,000 votes registered. It beats 'The Godfather's rating of 9.1.

The next highest-placed movie on the list from this century is 'The Lord of The Rings: The Return of The King', which is at number 14 in the chart.

Odetta

07-25-2008, 07:24 AM

I shouldn't be in here I shouldn't be in here I shouldn't be in here I HAVEN'T SEEN THE MOVIE YET!

*averts eyes and backs out slowly*

valtr0n

07-25-2008, 01:29 PM

While it may be #1 on IMDB, it won't last. Most new, popular movies shoot up in popularity extremely quickly, sometimes breaking the top ten, then work their way back down the chart. I'd say it'll wind up in the top 20-30, but I doubt it'll remain in the top 10.

fernandito

07-25-2008, 03:03 PM

I doubt it - the top 10 movies on that list have been there for quite some time now - Pulp Fiction, Schindlers List, The Godfather, Casablanca etc. I check that list regularly, and on the few occasions that there is movement in the top 10, it's only amongst those that are already there. The Dark Knight is here, and it's here to stay.

Spencer

07-25-2008, 03:32 PM

Yeah there's a LOT of people, by my estimation Godfather fanatics :lol: , who have given the movie a 1 rating today. It'll get knocked down for sure, but I think it'll still rate high.

Spencer

07-25-2008, 03:35 PM

Oddly enough, The Shawshank Redemption and The Godfather have swapped places today, making Shawshank #2 of all time, and Godfather #3.

fernandito

07-25-2008, 03:37 PM

In that case, let me give The Godfather a 1 rating :evil:

valtr0n

07-25-2008, 03:58 PM

valtr0n

07-25-2008, 03:58 PM

Spencer

07-25-2008, 04:28 PM

In that case, let me give The Godfather a 1 rating :evil:

:lol: I couldn't do it. Godfather got a 9 from me.

Empath of the White

07-25-2008, 05:34 PM

Interrogation room. Gordon leaves. Lights come on. Oh snap!

Also, the interrogation room scene where Joker was taunting that cop about knowing his comrades better than he (the cop) did.

Spencer

07-27-2008, 06:45 AM

My favorite line, where Ledger won the Oscar in my estimation with one word, was when The Joker goes into the hospital to see Dent, who freaks out when he sees The Joker. The Joker then sits down, dressed as a nurse in a red wig, and in his best teenage gossip girl voice, says "Hiiii." :rofl: I was scared shitless and cracking up at the same time.

fernandito

07-27-2008, 07:29 AM

"Ah ho ho. Ah Ah Ah Ah. He he He. And I thought my jokes were bad."

Ricky

07-27-2008, 10:13 AM

I saw The Dark Knight on Friday night and it was well worth the wait since Batman Begins came out!! It was an amazing film and the Joker was the most psychotic villian I think I've ever seen. Fantastic. I loved the overall dark theme of the film. Definitely worth the (LONG!) wait.

I really was disappointed when the memorial was interrupted by the Joker and we thought that Gordon had died. A few scenes later, he pops back up. That was a relief for me. As a big fan of his character from Batman Begins, they couldn't kill him off! Now, Rachel on the other hand...who saw that coming? It's been a long time since I've seen a film that has the guts to kill of the female love interest. It was a nice twist for me but it's not fair that she had to die.

While watching TDK, I found it impossible to laugh at the Joker's comments and actions--they were really disturbing (in a very good way). I saw alot of other people laughing like it was a comedy. I was really annoyed that so many people thought the Joker as comical rather than a psychotic villian.

This is one of the best films that I've seen this year and I can't wait to see it again!!

Girlystevedave

07-27-2008, 01:17 PM

If my sister don't back out on me...I'll be seeing this AGAIN this week. :dance:

Ves'Ka Gan

07-27-2008, 03:10 PM

Holy cow. I've seen it twice now. Both completely sold out showings a week apart. It's FANTASTIC. Heath Ledger creeped me the hell out, too! I just can't begin to say how awesome this movie is!

I honestly loved it so much, I STILL wouldn't mind seeing it again, making that 3 times in the theatre.

I am pretty bummed out about Heath Ledger though...seeing his performance in this film made it obvious Hollywood lost a very versatile & talented actor when he passed away.

Ves'Ka Gan

07-27-2008, 03:16 PM

feverishparade, you must not check it as often as you think, because yeah, the current top 10 is almost always the top 10, but there is a newcomer that comes and goes pretty regularly in it. It's happened already with several blockbusters this year. Several times a year, even. I'd bet by mid-August, The Dark Knight won't be in it at all, and if it is, it certainly won't be anywhere near #1. #8 or lower.

Wall-E was #9 the week of it's release. Where is it now? #25. There Will Be Blood also ranked very, very high. It's not common for movies to break that top 10, but the regulars almost always take their spots back within a few weeks or a month.

Yeah, The Dark Knight is a great movie. I'll give it that. It's probably the best movie I've seen in a few years, overall. But if Heath Ledger hadn't died, would it still be getting the public response that it's getting? We'll never know. It's only been out a week. Time will tell if it stands up over time or not. I personally think it will.

I am positive it would not be getting the same response if Ledger had not died. However, it was still an amazing movie. I think that this film is what will seal the deal with Ledger hitting a "legendary" status as he was young, good looking, and has the admiration of a few key groups i.e. young girls who crushed on him (I did in HS!), the gay community and the controversial film that earned him that respect, and now, a huge blockbuster with an amazing, chilling performance that showcases his acting talent and versatility. Combine that with a death under dark circumstances...well, we know the rest don't we?

Ricky

07-27-2008, 04:28 PM

Spencer

07-27-2008, 08:22 PM

I forgot to ask this in my previous post: while watching this, did anyone notice Richard Alpert from LOST as the Mayor? I thought he looked familiar but didn't remember from where until I left the theater.

I had the same thought you did, and didn't remember till you just told me. :lol: Maybe they can send Two-Face's coffin to the island so he'll be alive for the next movie. :D

Ricky

07-28-2008, 07:38 AM

Great idea! I'd be completely okay with that. Man, that Richard sure get's around. :lol:

Spencer

07-29-2008, 03:46 AM

"Dark Knight" fastest to $300 million
Mon Jul 28, 2008
Dean Goodman

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Batman buried his rivals at the North American box office for a second weekend on Sunday, racing past $300 million in a record 10 days.

The Caped Crusader's blockbuster outing, "The Dark Knight," sold an estimated $75.6 million worth of tickets during the three days beginning Friday, taking its total to $314.2 million, distributor Warner Bros. Pictures said.

A week after it scored a record-breaking $158 million opening, "The Dark Knight" added a new title to its impressive list of superlatives: the best second weekend, surpassing the holiday-boosted $72 million haul of 2004's "Shrek 2."

The $180 million movie, which stars Christian Bale as Batman and late actor Heath Ledger as the anarchic Joker, has reportedly been drawing strong repeat business, and also has piqued the interest of people who avoid superhero flicks or rarely go to the movies at all.

"The Dark Knight" now ranks as the second-biggest movie of the year, just behind the $315 million haul of "Iron Man," and the 23rd-biggest of all time.

The previous speed record for a $300 million film was 16 days set by "Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest" in 2006. The next target is $400 million, which took "Shrek 2" 43 days to reach. Warner Bros. distribution president Dan Fellman predicted "The Dark Knight" would take just 18 days to reach that milestone.

"Where we go from there, it's uncharted waters," Fellman said.

The last movie to break $400 million was the 2006 "Pirates of the Caribbean" movie, which ranks No. 6 on the all-time list with $423 million. The 1997 epic "Titanic" leads the field with $601 million.

Ka-mai

07-29-2008, 07:55 PM

See, I wish they'd adjust those numbers for inflation... just to see if that changes anything.

fernandito

07-29-2008, 08:20 PM

Still #1 at IMDB.com :D

MonteGss

07-30-2008, 08:15 AM

The BEST Batman movie I've ever seen. Period. :D

Can't wait til the DVD release!

Spencer

07-31-2008, 07:06 AM

Spencer

07-31-2008, 07:07 AM

See, I wish they'd adjust those numbers for inflation... just to see if that changes anything.

You wouldn't need to do that, just see if anyone's ever made a list of the all time top movies rated according to number of tickets sold.

Wuducynn

07-31-2008, 07:34 AM

The BEST Batman movie I've ever seen. Period. :D

Can't wait til the DVD release!

This, all the way, Batman Begins coming in at a close second. Going to see it in IMAX on Saturday. :harrier:

fernandito

07-31-2008, 07:56 AM

Still #1 at IMDB.com :D

It's rating has dropped a couple of decimals, but it's still holding out so far. what's interesting is that The Shawshank Redemption and The Godfather keep flipflopping during all of this. :lol:

Alright, this is what we do : We each make 19 separate accounts per day, alright? We log in into each account and give TDK a 10 rating, we keep giving i10's until it reaches a rating of 11 - NEVER MIND THAT THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE, LET'S JUST GET IT DONE! ARE YOU WITH ME!?!!?!?

turtlex

07-31-2008, 08:13 AM

I'm probably going to take a beating for this... but I didn't like it.

I wanted to like it.

I wish I liked it.

But... I didn't like it.

It was too long, by about 45minutes.

Christian Bale doing that Clint-Eastwood-Whisper voice thing was just ... silly.

Heath Ledger stole the movie, for sure, and he was a great villian.

Unfortunately, I thought Maggie was terrible. Anyone could have played the part like that.

Oscars for Extras was around for Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman, but were they there for anything except the paycheck?

It was like a waste of talent for me, the whole movie.

Okay, let the flames come at me. Just being honest though.

Girlystevedave

07-31-2008, 08:15 AM

Whaaaat? :unsure:
While everyone is entitled to their opinion....your opinion is wrong. :lol:

Totally serious here.:D

Ves'Ka Gan

07-31-2008, 09:00 AM

The exception that proves the rule...?

turtlex

07-31-2008, 09:02 AM

Thing is - I so wanted to shout through the movie " Yo! The Bat Man! You have a nearly full face mask - no need to disguise your voice!"

Now Superman.... there's a guy that needs a lesson in disguises!

theBeamisHome

07-31-2008, 10:34 AM

while i do want to flame you for not liking the movie i won't because i COMPLETELY agree about the voice thing... i was just like wtf is up with his voice?? i almost understood it when he was fighting crime, but then he was with either Alfred or... dammit the Morgan Freeman character (can't remember the name) and he still used the voice. I'm thinking... Why are you changing your voice??? They already know who you are!!!.... that was very annoying, but it was the only part i didn't like :D

Girlystevedave

07-31-2008, 04:42 PM

Just as I suspected: The Dark Knight was just as good the second time around. :)

The Lady of Shadows

07-31-2008, 04:49 PM

I WANT TO SEE IT IN IMAX GODDAMN IT!!!!

of course my husband is out of town this weekend so we can't (and seeing it by myself would be complete and utter blasphemy). ::sigh:: maybe next weekend. ::sigh::

i hope you "i've seen it twice" people and you've "i've seen it in imax" people are content with yourselves. ::sigh::

shutup feev. :lol:

Girlystevedave

07-31-2008, 04:50 PM

If it makes you feel better...No I am still not content :D

Ricky

07-31-2008, 05:59 PM

I'm seeing it again on Saturday...does that help, turtlesong? :rofl:

The Lady of Shadows

07-31-2008, 06:43 PM

If it makes you feel better...No I am still not content :D

I'm seeing it again on Saturday...does that help, turtlesong? :rofl:

no it doesn't.

and no it doesn't.

:P

Ricky

08-01-2008, 06:42 AM

no it doesn't.

and no it doesn't.

:P

I feel bad for you so I made you something:

http://i33.tinypic.com/xg0jo1.jpg

:)

theBeamisHome

08-01-2008, 10:28 AM

i've never seen an IMAX movie....

fernandito

08-01-2008, 11:59 AM

I'm also going to post this in the General Movie Discussion thread.

------

More Batman Villain Buzz
Guess who's rumoured to play The Riddler and The Penguin?
by Orlando Parfitt, IGN UK

UK, August 1, 2008 - Speculation on the villains for the next Batman film is coming thick and fast, with the U.K.'s Daily Telegraph throwing two new stars into the mix.

The paper, quoting "unnamed sources," says that Warner Bros. have targeted Johnny Depp to play The Riddler, and Philip Seymour Hoffman to take the role of The Penguin.

According to their source: "Producers are convinced that the role of The Riddler is perfect for Depp. Johnny's a pro. He'll be able to take direction and still make the character his own. And what better Penguin is there than Philip Seymour Hoffman?"

- Frank Micelotta/Steve Granitz/WireImage.comDepp and Hoffman are being tipped to play The Riddler and The Penguin.
This comes off the back of the rumour we heard earlier this week that Angelina Jolie is interested it the role of Catwoman.

Bat-fans will remember that Jim Carey was the last actor to have a crack at playing the Riddler in Batman Forever, whilst Danny De Vito portrayed the villainous penguin in Batman Returns.

theBeamisHome

08-01-2008, 12:10 PM

:excited:

Johnny Depp as the Riddler is GENIUS!!! He's a fucking maniac!

Angelina would make a very good Catwoman as well... As long as it isn't Halle Berry :doh:

The Lady of Shadows

08-01-2008, 09:54 PM

no it doesn't.

and no it doesn't.

:P

I feel bad for you so I made you something:

http://i33.tinypic.com/xg0jo1.jpg

:)

:wub:

i've never seen an IMAX movie....

my first one was pretty bad. not the movie, the experience. i'm not good with loud noises and stuff so i jumped a lot and was pretty traumatized. it's a pretty overwhelming experience. i don't recommend the dark knight for your first time out if your sensitive to loud noises, have a big startle reflex, or are, ummmmm, easily overwhelmed. maybe kungfu panda might be better. seriously. something a little less dark and scary. something fun and funny.

Ricky

08-02-2008, 05:58 AM

I'm going at 1:30 to see it again. I know I keep saying that, but I'm just so darn excited!! :excited:

Bluenose

08-02-2008, 10:05 AM

I did hear someone on another board say that The Dark Knight is a 'bad' choice for Imax, cos there's just too much going on. I watched it on an ordinary cinema screen and walked away feeling a little overwhelmed. It was only when I thought about it later, that I realised just how good it was. It's over a week later and its still playing on my mind. Heath Ledger....what a waste.

Ricky

08-02-2008, 04:07 PM

Even more amazing the second time I watched it. :thumbsup:

Girlystevedave

08-02-2008, 04:36 PM

Yeah ...I can't wait to see how good it is the third time around. :D
Ad I think Feev will let us know about the fourth viewing.

Wuducynn

08-02-2008, 06:24 PM

Saw it on IMAX this afternoon. WOW! Now I am spoiled and don't want to watch it any other way.

cozener

08-02-2008, 09:43 PM

Just saw it. I enjoyed it immensely. Ledger's Joker was good in that it was amusing in a sick and frightening way. But it was understated. This isn't necessarily Ledger's fault. It might be the way Nolan wanted it. But the Joker is a bit louder or there's just more circus to him. I prefer a more classic look to the Joker as well.

To date, the best adaptation of the Joker is from Batman The Animated Series. I like the look and Mark Hamill gives him a perfect voice. He's funny too. Only complaint I have with him is that he isn't as violent as the one we see in The Dark Knight.

Wuducynn

08-02-2008, 09:48 PM

I'm the opposite. For me Heath's Joker was the best Joker I've seen and I used to think no one could top Jack Nicholson's version of him.

cozener

08-02-2008, 09:52 PM

I can certainly agree that Nicholson wasn't as good as Ledger.

theBeamisHome

08-03-2008, 12:26 PM

I'm the opposite. For me Heath's Joker was the best Joker I've seen and I used to think no one could top Jack Nicholson's version of him.

yes sir that's how i felt too.

me and Nigel went to Raleigh yesterday and they have an IMAX theater there. I mentioned that i wanted to see something in IMAX and he said we should go. we saw that there was a showing at 7. we were on our way and i thought to call the theater. i called and the machine said that all showings for that day were sold out. :(

Girlystevedave

08-04-2008, 01:47 PM

MonteGss

08-04-2008, 03:48 PM

Ledger licking his lips all the time, partnered with his other mannerisms and his voice made for a "creepy as hell" performance.. I thought the movie was going to be fantastic but I went into it believing most people were just hyping up Ledger's performance because of the circumstances. However I stand by what I say that his portrayal of The Joker is the best I've seen. Great stuff.

Spencer

08-06-2008, 11:59 AM

Absolutely great stuff, and he should get the Oscar on the merit of the performance.

cozener

08-06-2008, 03:54 PM

Conversation at dinner yesterday:

Husband: So, when we get done, you ready to go over to the theater to see Hellboy?
Me: I wanna see The Dark Knight again.
Husband: You can't see The Dark Knight three times before even seeing Hellboy once.
Me: Why not? :unsure:Actually, he's right. I think its an ordinance in most cities. However, if you do not reside within a municipality you might be able to get away with it without being cited.

Girlystevedave

08-07-2008, 08:12 AM

:lol:
Well, I'm a rebel then. Cause I'm going to my third viewing tonight. :harrier:

Ricky

08-07-2008, 01:53 PM

I envy you. I want to see it at least one more time before it leaves theaters. I've seen it twice now. :)

fernandito

08-07-2008, 08:04 PM

Batman 3 Babbling
Goyer, comics scribes chime in on the villains.
by Jim Vejvoda

August 7, 2008 - Even though there is no Batman 3 currently in development, that hasn't stopped speculation and rumors from running rampant about which characters might terrorize Gotham City in a potential third installment.

David Goyer, who co-wrote the script for Batman Begins and developed the story for The Dark Knight with director Christopher Nolan, suggested to SCI FI Wire that the villains in the next film might not be household names. "There's no reason why we necessarily have to use the same three or four that are still around," Goyer said. "I mean, Batman's got a wide variety, [a] rogues' gallery. Certainly we used two in the first movie that hadn't been in the films before."

MTV asked a number of prominent comic book writers and execs who they think should be the villain in Batman 3. For example, DC Comics Executive Editor Dan DiDio suggested Professor Hugo Strange. He added, "Characters like Catwoman, Riddler, and Hugo Strange make sense, because they're counterpoints to Batman's psychosis and fears. The Joker creates chaos. Two-Face shows the duality of the Batman-Bruce Wayne relationship, and how Batman's found peace with that duality. Batman searches for answers, and the Riddler has questions. Batman is driven, and Catwoman is sexual. They play well against each other and challenge aspects of what makes a hero."

30 Days of Night creator Steve Niles said, "I'd like to see Catwoman over the Penguin. Not as a prostitute, and not as the Tim Burton version — what, cats sniffed her back to life? — but perhaps the Adam Hughes design, with the goggles. That's very realistic. I can imagine her in street clothes that are designed just right. I also like the idea of them creating villains just for the movies."

theBeamisHome

08-11-2008, 11:25 AM

oooo.... but no creating villains.. i don't like that idea, but Catwoman in goggles and street clothes... yep. i can dig it.

The Lady of Shadows

08-11-2008, 06:25 PM

well, my husband and i saw the dark knight in imax on saturday night. and i have to admit it scared the fucking hell out of me. it was so big, so loud, so overwhelming . . . i thought i was gonna have a panic attack right in the fucking theatre. :lol: i walked out of there with my heart racing and my mind whirling. . . .

but you could see so much more detail. the subtle streaks of green in the joker's hair, the openings under the chin in batman's cowl where i'm sure his built in voice modulator is located (which answers the question that annoyed several people on this thread about why he continued to disquise his voice even when speaking to lucius fox and rachel dawes while in costume), etc. so many more details that were missed on the regular screen literally (and i do mean literally) JUMPED out at you during an imax viewing.

when the fake batman (brian?) fell dead against the window i actually screamed even though i had seen this movie before.

and i have to say, my favorite scene is still when the bombs don't go off exactly as planned and the joker turns around to look and starts shaking the detonater and then they do go off and he starts "quick marching" away. that just killed me. :lol:

i'm sure we'll see it together at least once more. and my husband is taking a friend of ours to see it (plus i'm sure he'll see it again with another group of guys who have an interest). he's becoming the "batman ambassador". :wtf:

oh, and my vote for a villian in the next movie is definitely catwoman. why else would lucius fox go out of his way to say the suit will withstand a cat attack? also, my husband says there's buzz on one of the forums he's on that it might be rachel dawes (somehow she's not really dead). and i have a question. who else here thinks that harvey dent isn't really dead? i just don't know that i buy it. he seemed to be kind of smirky when they turned his face so the nice side would show and i don't know why a fall from that height would kill him. also, nobody ever really checked him for life "on camera" now did they? that is always a dead giveaway in movies isn't it?

Spencer

08-11-2008, 08:20 PM

oooo.... but no creating villains.. i don't like that idea, but Catwoman in goggles and street clothes... yep. i can dig it.

Her costume from Hush is badass.

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m243/Batman1940/Comics/Catwoman/Catwoman72.jpg
http://www.toymania.com/news/images/0304_dcd_hush2_cat_sm.jpg

Ricky

08-12-2008, 09:55 AM

when the fake batman (brian?) fell dead against the window i actually screamed even though i had seen this movie before.

I'm with you on that one! I din't even see it in IMAX but the second time I saw it, I still jumped even though I knew it was going to happen.

also, my husband says there's buzz on one of the forums he's on that it might be rachel dawes (somehow she's not really dead).

I'd bet mucho dinero that Rachel is as dead as dirt. It's pretty improbable that she suvived a mega explosion AND a building collapse. This happened pretty early on in the movie so I think they would have found her body and word would have gotten out that she survived.

who else here thinks that harvey dent isn't really dead? i just don't know that i buy it. he seemed to be kind of smirky when they turned his face so the nice side would show and i don't know why a fall from that height would kill him.

I think it's a great possibility that he's alive too. He fell even less than the guy Batman dropped from the building (snapped his feet on the pavement) and HE survived. I mean, unless he fell on a spike that severed his spinal cord, I'd bet he's alive and kicking.

I really want to see this again. I might go see it with you, turtle. Sound good? :)

theBeamisHome

08-12-2008, 11:00 AM

if Rachel is alive then she could probably beat Batman as Catwoman :lol:
but i don't think she is :|
that is a badass costume..

and i do think that Two-Face is alive... he's not supposed to be dead!!! lol

aaaannnnd, now that voice thing makes sense... it really was irritating me... now i have NO reason to dislike anything about the movie :wub:

fernandito

08-12-2008, 11:14 AM

theBeamisHome

08-12-2008, 11:18 AM

true! so, in order to keep Dent as a hero, they lock up Two-Face in Arkham (am i spelling that wrong?) and fake his death! They do need to bring the asylum into the story i think.

Tiffany

08-12-2008, 11:25 AM

We saw this at the Imax and it was the only movie I've ever seen that's lived up to all the hype.

Ricky

08-12-2008, 12:53 PM

But if Harvey isn't dead, that means that Gordon and the GCPD covered it up, because at the end of the movie we see a funeral-esque event taking place, and theres a banner in the backround with an image of Dent.

Of course, they would need to have covered it up in order to maintain Harvey's image as the "white knight". If he were to have been alive at the end of the movie, the 6 (?) murders would have been blamed on him instead of Batman. Right now, Batman is taking the responsibility for Harvey's screw-ups. The only thing about faking his death is that he cannot be seen in public anymore so I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens. :orely:

fernandito

08-12-2008, 01:11 PM

A member over at the IMDB message board brought up a good point - couldn't they have easily blamed all of Harvey's murders on one of Joker's henchmen? Or even on the Joker himself?

The Lady of Shadows

08-12-2008, 02:04 PM

first - ricky, it's a date. :couple:

second - i don't think rachel is alive either. just letting you guys know what the buzz is on other boards. there would have needed to have been some pretty huge trickery to make it happen. like the joker lying about one of the addresses; but how could he know that batman would be him and go to the right address?

third - i completely see gcpd and gordon covering for dent and putting him away in the arkham asylum. they have to because he's totally batshit crazy now. of course, there would have to be a funeral to explain his absence and it would be full of pomp and circumstance so that he could remain the city's white knight. what i don't understand is the body count attributed to him. he killed whatshisface and his driver (that's two), he let rodriquez (was that her name) live, he killed that other cop in the bar (that's three). so where did the other two bodies come from? are we supposed to presume that he killed the cops in the hospital that were guarding him? we know that's not true because a nurse called them away to help. and the cop that came in looking for them was killed by the joker. so aren't they (i.e. gordon and batman) just assuming that he killed five people with no real proof? or did i miscount?

Ricky

08-12-2008, 04:29 PM

The Lady of Shadows

08-12-2008, 04:41 PM

first - ricky, it's a date. :couple:

what i don't understand is the body count attributed to him. he killed whatshisface and his driver (that's two), he let rodriquez (was that her name) live, he killed that other cop in the bar (that's three). so where did the other two bodies come from?

Okay, which theater are we going to? I may have a drive ahead of me if you're far. I really want need to see this again... I have only seen it twice.

I saw a post over at IMDB that explained the 5 people that he killed. I'll have to look for it and let you know.

yeah, if you could find that post i would appreciate it cause i don't get it.

and dude, you so threw over matt's quote for hannah's. :lol: see, i knew you were a stalker at heart!!!!!!!

about the movie, i'm not sure where you are either (i'll have to give you a turtle geography lesson some day :) ) but i'd say one of us is in for a drive probably. but that's cool my mini turtle loves road trips!

fernandito

08-12-2008, 08:15 PM

Alright guys, this a list that /someone/ posted over at the IMDB message boards, basically it's 34 reasons why he thought TDK failed as a coherent story. Check some of these out and let us know what you think :

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This isn't my list, I found it on the web...Though I must say I aggree with most of the list, and I am very angry that critics decided to Ignore what would have condemed any other comic book movie.

Here goes:

1. The bank raid

The school bus just happens to break through the wall at the exact moment that the last remaining bank robber is holding a gun on the Joker. How is everything so perfectly choreographed that the robber ends up in the exact spot he needs to be to get hit by the bus? Not realistic at all. Then, the school bus drives out of the bank at the exact right moment to join up with a huge procession of other school buses! And there just happens to be a space for the bus to enter. For this to happen, everything from the beginning to the end of the raid would have to happen with split-second precision and timing with no room for error.

Impossible, as there are too many variables at play. For example, the gunshot-toting bank manager. That was unforeseen and put a crimp in their plan. Yet despite this, everything *still* runs like clockwork. I also disliked the way the Bank robbers explained the plot as they set up the raid, talking about who gets a cut and about the Joker. Was this necessary? This kind of ‘hey folks, this is what’s happening!’ dialogue plagues the whole film. Another prime example is when Ramirez tells Gordon about the Joker card with three sets of DNA. Gordon responds: ‘The Joker is trying to tell us who he’s targeting’. Well, no *beep* That is OBVIOUS.

2. Other bank raid nonsense

i) Why was the alarm that can disable the entire security system of the bank on the roof - the easiest place for would-be criminals to get at it? ii) Why abseil onto the roof from across the street? This is the least inconspicuous way to get into the bank?! Furthermore, breaking that window would lead to glass showering down onto the street, which would attract attention, would it not? iii) Where are the Bank’s security guards? iv) At the beginning of the raid, there are screaming customers everywhere. Near the end of the raid, the customers have mysteriously disappeared. Where did they go? Running off into the street to alert the cops? v) Are we to believe that The Joker’s mob commandeered an entire fleet of school buses and that’s why everything was done with such precision?

3. Scarecrow scene

Batman jumps from the top level of the parking structure and lands on an escaping SUV. What happens? The SUV is crushed AND the impact of Batman makes it stop. GIVE ME A BREAK! Batman is only a mere mortal. He would have bounced off the car and would have made a minor dent at best. He was only about 50 feet up, yet when he lands *on his legs*, he is somehow strong enough to crush the entire roof of the vehicle!

4. The Hong Kong section

Overblown and overwritten. There are simpler ways to grab Lau and bring him back to the US. Why grab him in his office building?! Does he live there? I think not. Batman could’ve nabbed Lau *far easier* at his residence/on the street/in his car etc with less personal risk and expensive planning.

5. The Rachel/Dent/Wayne triangle.

I hated the fact that Rachel was in a serious relationship with Dent yet she still kissed Wayne on the balcony at that party. This made me lose respect for her character because she is basically cheating on Dent. Rachel is supposed to be this strong, moral woman with inalienable principles, yet she cheats on someone she clearly loves. The triangle didn’t need to be written this way; it would have been better if Bruce went in for the kiss and Rachel pulled back.

6. Commissioner Loeb’s death.

Right at the moment Gordon arrives with news of the threat, Loeb decides to have drink, and dies right at the moment Gordon is figuring out where the DNA could have come from. Okay, it’s possible but it’s just so contrived! Let’s assume that Loeb only found out about the threat when Gordon arrived. How ridiculous is this?! Surely if the Police Commissioner’s life is at risk, you want to let him know *straight away* just in case something happens? Gordon should have phoned Loeb and filled him in. This is just logical behavior, especially in the cell-phone age.

7. Bruce’s party

How does Bruce know of the triple threat to Dent/Loeb and the judge? There is no way he can know. If Gordon was going to call anyone, he would call Dent on his cell-phone to let him know, would he not? Dent has to have one, surely?! Batman is set in the cell phone age so the idea that Dent doesn’t have one is ridiculous. Also, Bruce was at the party with everyone else, so the chances of his listening to a police radio are slim at best. Besides, what would prompt him to be listening to police radio broadcasts in the middle of a party? On top of this, he manages to get to Dent and hide him seconds before the Joker appears. How convenient!

9. The Joker crashing Bruce’s party.

Why wait till Dent is at a party in Bruce Wayne’s penthouse *after* announcing to the world that Dent is a target? Of course, the whole thing is set-up so that the Joker can throw Rachel off the roof. This could have been written in a far more realistic way. People will argue that the Joker is an attention whore - okay, I can accept that to an extent, but it seems like a hell of a lot of trouble to go to find Dent when if he really wanted to kill Dent he could have done it in a far easier manner.

10. Rachel and Batman falling off the roof.

I can just about buy the fact that the fall was broken by Batman’s wings, but come on! No sign of any injury to Rachel? She wasn’t even winded. Ever so slightly beyond the realms of possibility I feel.

11. Fingerprints on the bullet sequence.

This doesn’t make sense because the fingerprint would be on the *shell casing* not the bullet itself! The bullet is encased in the shell-casing, which is discarded (along with fingerprints) when the bullet is fired. Furthermore, Bruce arrives in the room and finds those men tied up at the exact moment the shooting is going to take place. How convenient.

12. Commissioner Loeb’s funeral.

We’re expected to believe that with hundreds of Cops around and ridiculously tight security that the Joker managed to worm his way into the Police honour guard?! Didn’t anyone notice the guy with the huge scars on his face? Granted, it’s not beyond the realm of possibility, but with everyone *expecting* some kind of assassination attack and the Cops on alert, it’s just laughable that this could take place.

13. Gordon’s faked death.

Why would you put your family through the worst trauma imaginable when they were not even at risk?! Gordon says he faked his death because his family was at risk but this is utter nonsense. Why? Because the Joker thinks Gordon is dead. If he’s dead, he’s not a threat ergo his family is not at risk. Even if Gordon thought his family *could* be at risk, why not just get them out of the city and the state and into protective custody? Surely this is better than making them think he was dead?

14. The Gotham chase

Someone please explain exactly how a multi-tonne truck flips over so easily after snagging on some metal wire?! It’s a great action set-piece but once again it’s let down by bad writing in my view. Also, Batman has such prodigious control over the Bat-bike that he can execute a perfect 180 turn at speed using a wall as leverage, but when he’s charging the Joker he loses all control and flips the bike?! The Joker fires a bazooka missile at the SWAT van carrying Dent. If not for the tumbler getting in the way and taking the hit, Dent would have died. Again, this is all apparently part of the Joker’s fiendish plan to…get caught.

15. The Joker’s escape.

The Joker is Gotham’s most notorious and wanted criminal, yet they leave him *uncuffed* and guarded by a single Cop?! And of course, the Cop just happens to have a suspect temperament, which the Joker manipulates. If the Joker is in a locked room, why would there need to be a Cop inside the room with him?! Also, why was there no one stationed outside guarding the room? We can surmise that there wasn’t anyone guarding because if there was a fight going on, surely the guard would have heard it from outside? Again, everything happens at exactly the right time. All this is dependant upon having a single cop guarding the joker inside the room who loses his cool, allowing the Joker a chance to escape. And of course, the guy with a bomb in his stomach just happens to be captured and in jail at the exact time the Joker needs him.

16. The idea that the Joker ‘planned to be caught’.

After Rachel dies, Gordon is angry at himself and says ‘he wanted us to lock him up in the MCU’. So, let me get this straight: the massive chase scene through Gotham which culminated in Gordon capturing the Joker was really part of the Joker’s grand scheme as he ‘planned’ to get caught?! The Joker even explained *at length* that he was not someone who planned things, yet he is apparently the greatest criminal tactician that ever lived!

17. Reese revealing the true identity of Batman.

So, Reese goes on TV and says he’ll reveal the truth about Batman. Meanwhile, the scene is intercut with the Joker in a warehouse burning his half of the mob’s cash. Then, *in the very next scene*, the Joker is calling into the TV show and threatening to blow up a hospital if someone doesn’t kill Reese! How does the Joker go from burning money in a warehouse, to finding a TV, watching the show then calling up with his hospital threat in a matter of hours?

So, if the Joker decides to blow up a hospital in response to Reese’s TV ploy, how does he and his mob manage to rig the place with gas canisters and explosives *in broad daylight* without being seen? Come on! This is beyond ridiculous. And it’s not about suspension of disbelief, it’s about not treating your audience like morons. There is *no way* on earth that in this day and age of heightened security that an entire hospital could be rigged to blow in broad daylight and no one saw a thing! The entire building was pulverized – imagine the amount of explosives and petrol canisters needed to do that kind of damage. And again, what’s going on with the timeline? The Joker is burning money; somehow finds a TV to watch; calls in and threatens Reese; wires a hospital and visits Dent all in the space of the same day and seemingly within a few hours?

18. Sal Maroni’s confession.

After Gordon visits Dent, Maroni just happens to be in the hospital *right outside Dent’s room* and just happens to have an attack of conscience and tells Gordon where to find the Joker?!

19. Harvey Dent’s turn to the dark side.

For a start, the whole Dent story should have been saved for Part 3 instead of just being crammed into TDK. There wasn’t enough time to develop his fall into evil; it all happens in about 5 minutes. For 90 minutes, Dent is portrayed as this morally upstanding man of principle, but Dent goes from crime fighting golden boy with a an unshakeable dedication to doing good to a psychopathic murderer, and worse - potential child-murderer - in the space of 24 hours. Why? Because his girlfriend dies and he becomes disfigured? No, wait - it’s because the Joker - as well as being the greatest criminal tactician that ever lived - is also the greatest psychologist that ever lived, and a few lines of his cod philosophy at Dent’s bedside is enough to tip him over the edge and into child-murderer mindset.

20. Batman’s sonar scheme.

Lucius Fox says something along the lines of ‘You took my sonar concept and applied it to every phone in the city’. Someone explain to me how this is possible! Given the sonar technology has to be embedded in the phone itself (as we saw when Fox was in Hong Kong and left his sonar phone at security), are we expected to believe that Batman has the technology manually implanted into *every cell-phone in the city” – a city which, incidentally, has 30 million inhabitants, according to Fox. If it wasn’t manual, then how is this mass cell-phone scheme to be explained?

21. The ferry face-off.

When exactly did the Joker have time to rig two ferries with 100 barrels of fuel without anyone noticing? The whole idea is completely laughable and unrealistic, with no concern for the logistics of how something like that would be set up. Once again, for the sake of a ‘cool’ scene, the writers threw logic out of the window. But of course, the Joker is such a genius criminal, he planned this down to the last details (despite apparently now being a ‘planner’).

22. Batman’s sonar vision.

When batman faces the Joker, his sonar vision momentarily fails and this causes him to lose his bearings, allowing the Joker to attack. Why?! Earlier on in the sequence, *Batman switches between sonar vision and normal vision*. When the sonar fails, why doesn’t he just use his own vision?!

23. The Joker overpowering Batman.

After Batman’s sonar vision fails, the Joker somehow beats the crap out of Batman and manages to hold him down with a steel bar. Given the fact that Batman has been portrayed as almost superhuman for the preceding two hours (including easily subduing the Joker during interrogation), how is it possible that all of a sudden the Joker is stronger. In Batman begins, BW takes on about 20+ ninjas and none of them get the better of him. In TDK, all it takes to down Batman is steel bar and couple of rottweilers!

24. Dent at the hospital

After being marked for death, almost killed and then disfigured, why is Dent left alone at the hospital with no one guarding him?

25. Poor editing

i) How did the Joker leave the party after Batman and Rachel went off the roof? Dent is still locked in a cupboard somewhere and lots of party guests at risk. Should this not have been tied up with perhaps a five second shot? ii) The Joker taunts the cop guarding him and goads him into a fight. Cut to the next scene, the Joker has him as a hostage. Why cut out the scene with *how* he overpowered this guy? Surely this would be a scene than fans want to see?! iii) Dent and Rachel are kidnapped by the Joker’s henchmen. Why didn’t we see it? Again, we are just told it happened instead being shown what happened.

26. The kidnapping of Dent

It is standard police procedure to allow a senior public figure whose life has been threatened to go to visit his girlfriend seconds after being pursued by a madman hellbent on killing him? Is it also good police practice to let him go without any kind of police escort. The fact that the Joker’s vast network of henchmen were *not* captured and may still pose a threat did not seem to matter.

27. Gordon’s negligence

i) The new Police Commissioner has the apparent foresight to fake his own death, but he cannot foresee the possibility that the joker may try and escape. Of course, there’s no way anyone could have predicted the Joker might have some nefarious plan up his sleeve. After all, it’s not like he’d planned anything up to that point in the story. ii) Gordon botches the security job of protecting the Mayor *big time*. iii) Gordon allows the city’s most dangerous criminal to be guarded by a single cop. This is after he’s gone to great lengths to capture the Joker! And let’s not forget, at this point, Gordon is not Police Commissioner. The buck stops with him, and the way the Joker was guarded would have been down to him.

iv) So full of self-congratulatory bravado, Gordon just let’s Dent leave the scene of the Joker’s capture without assigning any police escorts, thus leading to Dent being kidnapped. v) Gordon just swallows the ‘let’s blame it all on Batman’ idea without question, ignoring the fact that the so-called 5 deaths could easily be blamed on any of the Joker’s henchmen. Gordon is too busy with composing his poetic monologue to actually think like a Cop.

28. Pointless ending

The film tries to make Batman into a mythical anti-hero with his sacrifice at the end, but the whole thing is moot really - Batman will be ‘hunted’ for about 10 minutes and then he’ll be Bruce Wayne again, so he won’t be in any danger! Anyway - what has changed since the beginning of the film? Gordon tells Dent that the official policy is to ‘arrest the vigilante known as Batman on sight’. Is this not the same situation at the end of the film?!

29. Lau’s immunity to the effects of fire

Lau doesn’t even scream whilst he’s being burnt alive!

30. Evacuation of the hospital

If you examine how things take place within the timeframe of the movie, it appears that entire hospital (Gotham’s biggest) was seemingly evacuated within the space of a few hours. i) The Joker calls into the TV show saying he’ll blow up a hospital. This happens during the day. ii) Seconds later, Gordon hears this and barks orders about evacuating the hospital. iii) A scene or two later, we find the hospital pretty much evacuated and *surprise surprise*, Dent is the only person left! The point here is, it’s still daytime, so the evacuation of such a huge hospital took no time at all apparently. Not realistic AT ALL. Not even slightly comic-book realistic.

31. Maroni’s miraculous recovery.

Batman throws Maroni to the street from 3 stories up. We hear the crunch as he lands feet first. Literally a day or so later, Maroni is walking easily with just the use a cane. No plaster cast or anything like that.

32. Dent and Maroni crash

Dent has Maroni trapped in his car, and instead of shooting Maroni, he kills the driver of the car, causing huge crash?! Half of Dent’s face is melted off and he must be in serious pain, yet he decides the best way to further his goal is to cause a car crash in which he could conceivably be killed?!

33. The Joker’s philosophy

As the Joker explains to Dent at the hospital, he doesn’t have a plan. He goes into detail about how he detests people with plans and how he’s all about chaos and anarchy. But wait, everything in the film completely negates his character because the story paints him as the greatest criminal tactician and planning mastermind that ever lived! For him to control *everything* to such a degree and have everything work *perfectly * with no mistakes, despite lots unforeseen events taking place, means that he must have planned everything to last detail. This is the reasoning of those defend the Joker’s apparent omnipotence, but it conflicts with his own philosophy! I’m sorry, but this is terrible writing.

34. The Scarecrow

Ridiculous treatment of the character after BB. made him into some weak caricature. When he stepped out of the van wearing the scarecrow mask, it just seemed out of place. And his dialogue was lame. Cut out the whole section and get on with story already. It was imperative we see that scene but not important to see how the Joker escaped the party/Dent and Rachel being kidnapped?

The Lady of Shadows

08-12-2008, 08:44 PM

so let me guess feev. . .you agree completely. right? :lol:

all i have to say is that this guy doesn't get that the joker is a psychopathic liar and a sociopath.

fernandito

08-12-2008, 08:52 PM

Some of them are half-valid, but most of them are just angry statements from some pissed off over-analyzer whos probably angry because his favorite movie (Battlefield Earth) didn't make any money at the box office.

The Lady of Shadows

08-12-2008, 08:57 PM

hehehehehehehe

you said "battlefield earth"

like it was a real movie

that's funny

:rofl:

Ricky

08-13-2008, 06:47 AM

yeah, if you could find that post i would appreciate it cause i don't get it.

and dude, you so threw over matt's quote for hannah's. :lol: see, i knew you were a stalker at heart!!!!!!!

about the movie, i'm not sure where you are either (i'll have to give you a turtle geography lesson some day :) ) but i'd say one of us is in for a drive probably. but that's cool my mini turtle loves road trips!

I couldn't find the post (I saw it after it first came out) but I found one that might answer the question of the 5 people that Harvey killed:

In the theatrical release, many posters here are correct that we only saw him actually shoot and kill 2 people - the corrupt cop at the bar along with the mob driver for the "Italian".

However, the theatrical version was unfortunately (believe it or not) cut back for time. At this moment, Christopher Nolan is working on a new extended 3-hour cut which apparently will show Two-Face killing more people, evidently 2 more regular people (likely criminals) and 1 more cop.

That's probably the best answer out there right now--they cut out the footage for time's sake. I'll bet that we'll see the other 3 murders on the Director's Cut.

As for that list that feev posted, it's obvious that people have too much time on their hands and use it to continue to bash excellent movies. I'm guessing all that hot air from living in their parents' basement is getting to their heads. 90% of those points are obviously made out of personal dislike for the movie. The other 10% are valid points that were not weaving well with the storyline.

Ok, I'm going to stop here...I could go on all day. :)

theBeamisHome

08-13-2008, 08:22 AM

feev, i couldn't even go thru the whole list... why is it that people want entertaining movies to be like documentaries or something? it's not supposed to be realistic!!! how realistic is it that a guy will don a cape and some ultra cool gadgets and weaponry to fight crime by night because of a trauma from when he was like 9??? i mean seriously!

like someone else said... too much time on their hands. and not enough appreciation for a really good movie.. and like feev said, some of the complaints were valid, but the fact that the movie is based on a comic book sort of negates those also.

The Lady of Shadows

08-13-2008, 08:30 AM

thanks ricky! and wow - a director's cut. that would be so awesome. but of course we wouldn't see feev on the board for like a month after it came out. . . . :lol:

Ricky

08-13-2008, 12:49 PM

No problem, turtle. I'm eager for the Director's Cut as well. If Nolan chooses to do one, it's going to be spectacular.

As of right now, I am trying to get a ride to see it again over the weekend. :cool:

Girlystevedave

08-13-2008, 02:39 PM

"NO MORE DEAD COPS!!"
:)

The Lady of Shadows

08-13-2008, 07:04 PM

ooooooooookay. feeling a little hormonal amanda?

how many of your friends have i killed?

Girlystevedave

08-13-2008, 07:12 PM

No, I'm good. Just felt like yelling that out. :cool:

Ricky

08-14-2008, 06:47 AM

how many of your friends have i killed?

"Do you wanna know...why I use a knife?"

fernandito

08-14-2008, 07:30 AM

"You can't savor all the...little emotions."

Ricky

08-14-2008, 07:53 AM

"Do you want to know which of your friends were cowards?"

fernandito

08-14-2008, 08:29 AM

"See this, is how CRAZY Batman has made Gotham! You want order restored? Then Batman must take off his mask, and turn himself in....Oh, and everyday he doesn't, people will die....I'm a man of my wordddd...HEHAHAHAHA!"

Girlystevedave

08-14-2008, 08:37 AM

"Do I look like a guy with a plan? I'm like a dog chasing cars. I wouldn't know what to do if I caught it!"

Ricky

08-14-2008, 09:32 AM

Wait, are we doing misc. quotes or quotes in order of appearance in the film? :)

fernandito

08-14-2008, 10:23 AM

Random quotes :)

"Where's Dent?
....what's the time?
What does that have to do with anything?
Well, depending on the time, he may be in one spot or several."

Ricky

08-14-2008, 11:28 AM

That's one of my favorites! :clap:

"See, I'm a man of simple tastes. I like dynamite...and gunpowder...and gasoline! Do you know what all of these things have in common? They're cheap!"

fernandito

08-14-2008, 11:41 AM

(burns his half)
"I'm only burning my half....all you care about is money. This town deserves a better class of criminal, and I"m gonna give it to them. Tell your men, they work for me now.
They won't work....for a freak.
Well, why don't we feed you to one of your pooches? Then we'll see how loyal a hungry dog, really is!!"

The Lady of Shadows

08-14-2008, 03:13 PM

The criminals in this town used to believe in things. Honor. Respect. Look at you! What do you believe in? What do you believe in!

italics and emphasis mine own say thankya!

Ricky

08-14-2008, 03:18 PM

What do you believe in!

I believe in Harvey Dent!!!

fernandito

08-14-2008, 03:22 PM

:lol: :clap:

Nice!