eBay & Paypal - Policies and Practices

[Aronstg]

I wish you still had his/her address. You could show them your good foot up their ass.

[jsweet]

Oh, I do. It's all there on his PayPal payment. I did ask him to confirm if that was the correct address because if not, perhaps his credit card company could use that to track down whomever was using his account.

He didn't reply to that. :)

[Aronstg]

I wonder if you have a recourse to affect his credit report. You made a transaction and he did not pay for it. I seem to recall once before researching credit card disputes and reading that the company could report a chargeback to the credit reporting agencies. You may still need to be able to prove delivery but if you can do that you might be able to ping their credit. If they claim that they were a victim of identity theft then they would need to file a police report. I'm not 100% on any of this but it may be worth checking out.

[Fsmdr]

I would still try to speak with an Ebay supervisor and have them send you a copy of the listing. They have the listing, it's just not active to the public. Best of luck in getting this resolved. We are all pulling for you!.

[Randall Flagg]

Ebay cancelled all of my auctions because of TheDarkTower.org in the listings. I suppose I can either:


Leave the site name off completely
Leave the name out of the text of the listing, but put a picture of the business card in the photo section of the ad
Try using TheDarkTowerOrganization in the text and hope that ebay's "bots" don't catch it, and that people viewing the ad understand the references.

Thoughts?

[herbertwest]

I would say put a teeshirt / business card or something with the website name ON THE PICTURE OF THE ITEM : it seem fine by me as it is a way to show a picture of the item + proving that it is your own picture and not one stolen online.

And you can surely also mentions the website without mentionning it by saying something like : the online community "the TheDarkTower/Palaver" has contributed to a fundraiser for the Haven Foundation since several years blabla BS whatever you wanna say

[Lookwhoitis]

Ebay cancelled all of my auctions because of TheDarkTower.org in the listings. I suppose I can either:


Leave the site name off completely
Leave the name out of the text of the listing, but put a picture of the business card in the photo section of the ad
Try using TheDarkTowerOrganization in the text and hope that ebay's "bots" don't catch it, and that people viewing the ad understand the references.

Thoughts?

What a pain in the arse! Ebay and Paypal suck! That Erin Wells piece was up to a large bid too, wasnt it? I wonder if folks will re-bid.

[jhanic]

I think eBay is composed of idiots.

If it were up to me, I'd leave off the name of the site completely, although there is no good reason for it. It's their ball park with their rules, no matter how stupid they are.

John

[bdwyer19]

I think eBay is composed of idiots.

If it were up to me, I'd leave off the name of the site completely, although there is no good reason for it. It's their ball park with their rules, no matter how stupid they are.

John

I agree about leaving the site name off. Simon's auction for the slipcase is still up. It references the Haven Foundation, but not TDT.org

[Randall Flagg]

I'm leaning towards a picture of the business card.
I might lead the ad off with "Our Stephen King discussion forum is proud to...

[jhanic]

By the way, I think banning you was a chickenshit move.

John

[Randall Flagg]

I had been warned once before but i thought the changing to the different o would work.
Obviously I was wrong.

[herbertwest]

I'm leaning towards a picture of the business card.
I might lead the ad off with "Our Stephen King discussion forum is proud to...

Be a bit more specific : they could end up on the official forum.
I insist that you mention "The Dark Tower Palaver" online community or board

[TCCBodhi]

Ebay cancelled all of my auctions because of TheDarkTower.org in the listings. I suppose I can either:


Leave the site name off completely
Leave the name out of the text of the listing, but put a picture of the business card in the photo section of the ad
Try using TheDarkTowerOrganization in the text and hope that ebay's "bots" don't catch it, and that people viewing the ad understand the references.

Thoughts?

I know that we've been historically set up to send Haven Foundation a big check at the completion of all of the auctions, but is there perhaps more leeway allowed when using Community Selling when the auction proceeds go directly to Haven, since it is a Registered Charity (http://charity.ebay.com/charity-auctions/charity/the-haven-foundation/21385/)? Surely you have called them and spoken to someone above 1st level about how the auction can somehow refer people back to TDT.org somehow.

Outside of that, like other people said, just the same suggestion to have the business card on all of the item photographs (Oh, I'm just using that to hold the page flat, etc.). In the Description, perhaps "The Dark Tower" Forums. If I do a search on those key words it leads me here, so I'd think it would work.

I wish that they weren't the best place with the most potential buyers so that you could list in other places, but I'm sure that you'll find a way that works.

[Bunyip]

Can you put DT in text on the photos, like a watermark, or put your business card on the cover of book, plus back of book in one of several photos?

[Randall Flagg]

Can you put DT in text on the photos, like a watermark, or put your business card on the cover of book, plus back of book in one of several photos?
Right now I'm leaning towards putting the image of my card in the auction pictures. I always include my card and a bookmark to auction winners, so it's part of the deal. I'll just say "bonus bookmark and card included".
I doubt ebay's "bots" are capable of noticing such a thing, otherwise any picture that would lead a person to another business (Ford, Chevrolet, Stephen King published by Scribner...) would be pulled and they would have far fewer auctions.

[Bunyip]

The only drama would be if you are targeted as they have pulled your auctions. Great idea including the bookmark/card as part of the prize. Do you have fridge magnets with DT on them? Winner gets a special gift with auction etc...like when you buy a cheap phone cover from China and they all come with " special gifts." Either way,it's a heartbreaker with lots of good bids on the painting...hope it gets resolved sooner rather later...

[Randall Flagg]

The 3 auctions will return Sunday 2/21/2016.
I'll leave off all .org, .com, references and just include a "bonus bookmark and card" for the winner.

The card image will look something like this:

http://www.thedarktower.org/custom/images/1455914969-Darktowerorg%20business%20card_900px.jpg

[herbertwest]

I definitely wouldnt put an email address into it. It will surely be deleted if someone notices it. I would also tend to think that the @ in a picture would be 'easy' to be detected by robots. Nowadays, face recognition can be quite well done...
Any chance to make a test with 1 "valueless" auction and see how it goes?

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

The 3 auctions will return Sunday 2/21/2016.
I'll leave off all .org, .com, references and just include a "bonus bookmark and card" for the winner.

The card image will look something like this:

http://www.thedarktower.org/custom/images/1455914969-Darktowerorg%20business%20card_900px.jpg

This should be perfect. The picture has the site address but it is not a hyperlink.

[stroppygoblin]

I think eBay is composed of idiots.

If it were up to me, I'd leave off the name of the site completely, although there is no good reason for it. It's their ball park with their rules, no matter how stupid they are.

John

I agree about leaving the site name off. Simon's auction for the slipcase is still up. It references the Haven Foundation, but not TDT.org

My auction does reference it, its the first line of the text, exactly the same as RF's original ones. Either i've been lucky or eBay UK has different policies or Bots.

Definitely put the picture in with the auction item. Ebay prohibits ANY stand alone photos that are not advertising the item specifically.

[Randall Flagg]

Ebay said I could not list items for "1day". The message was sent to me 2/18/2016 @20:43.
As of right now, I still cant list anything. I wonder what their definition of 1 day is...

[T-Dogz_AK47]

eBay will probably get their period again, if they notice your email address in the card image. To be safe, my advice would be to leave it out.

[Randall Flagg]

I suppose I was "lucky". After 8 total minutes on the phone the ban was lifted. The lady I spoke with clearly understood and spoke English.

Here is the relisted Finders Keepers Broadside.

Thoughts:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/201527164322?

[jsweet]

Well - good news! PayPal ruled in my favor in the dispute I detailed above. Explanation was brief but welcome!

"We're happy to confirm that this transaction was covered under Seller Protection as you met the PayPal Seller Protection requirements. The disputed amount is now available in your PayPal balance."

I was worried because the tracking number was too old to confirm delivery, but perhaps the other evidence was enough, especially as I had proof the guy resold the same item he claimed never to have received from me.

[jhanic]

Wonderful!

John

[herbertwest]

Great news !

[tippy4]

Maybe someone here can shed some light on this.

in the last few months....when I search STEPHEN KING SIGNED on ebay......I get items that are not signed in addition to those that are.

As an exmple, THIS (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Needful-Things-by-Stephen-King-1991-Hardcover-1st-Edition-HC-DJ-/172572422841?hash=item282e1e32b9:g:qrsAAOSwEzxYQAy T) auction comes up fourth on the list, and THIS (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Liseys-Story-by-Stephen-King-2006-Hardcover-1st-Printing-Very-Nice-/172571638534?hash=item282e123b06:g:0JQAAOSwol5YxJG ~) auction comes up eleventh on the list when I do a search right now (and sort by NEWLY LISTED).

In both auctions, the book is not signed...and I cannot see the word SIGNED anywhere in the auction titles or descriptions.

I have the same issue if I am using a Mac or a PC

Anyone know what's going on?

And FYI...I am NOT checking the INCLUDE DESCRIPTION BOX....so it should only be pulling up auctions that have the those three words in the title.

[dnemec]

Maybe someone here can shed some light on this.

in the last few months....when I search STEPHEN KING SIGNED on ebay......I get items that are not signed in addition to those that are.

As an exmple, THIS (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Needful-Things-by-Stephen-King-1991-Hardcover-1st-Edition-HC-DJ-/172572422841?hash=item282e1e32b9:g:qrsAAOSwEzxYQAy T) auction comes up fourth on the list, and THIS (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Liseys-Story-by-Stephen-King-2006-Hardcover-1st-Printing-Very-Nice-/172571638534?hash=item282e123b06:g:0JQAAOSwol5YxJG ~) auction comes up eleventh on the list when I do a search right now (and sort by NEWLY LISTED).

In both auctions, the book is not signed...and I cannot see the word SIGNED anywhere in the auction titles or descriptions.

I have the same issue if I am using a Mac or a PC

Anyone know what's going on?

And FYI...I am NOT checking the INCLUDE DESCRIPTION BOX....so it should only be pulling up auctions that have the those three words in the title.

I was just thinking about this yesterday. I am having the same issue. At first, I thought perhaps they were listing it in the wrong category or checking an incorrect box while listing, but that doesn't appear to be the case. I'm not sure what the problem is, but I've been getting the same results so it's not just you.

[tippy4]

Thanks......

My assumption is that it is ebay giving me things to look at that they think I might be interested in.....even though I did not ask for them

A little cross promotion.

Problem is....what I am looking for is now getting buried in a sea of other items, and instead of increasing sales....I think they are losing sales.

[tippy4]

Next issue.......

For our UK cohort, this seller has some incredible items but (devastatingly) only ships locally (at this stage. I've messaged him to open it up)...

Salem's Lot, Stephen King Signed First Edition (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/222423653277?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT) ... Inscribed "Steve King 1975"

The Shining, Stephen King Signed First Edition (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/222423638267?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT) Inscribed 1979.

Skeleton Crew, Stephen King. Signed First Edition (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/222423620576?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT) Inscribed 1986.

He also has signed US 1sts of TGWLTG, Dark Half, and 11/22/63.

I took this post from another thread.......

When I click on any of the links, the auctions come up.

Yet when I click on SEE OTHER ITEMS (http://www.ebay.com/sch/roburas/m.html?item=222423653277&rmvSB=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562), nothing comes up....when the seller clearly has at least three auctions running.

[bdwyer19]

Next issue.......

For our UK cohort, this seller has some incredible items but (devastatingly) only ships locally (at this stage. I've messaged him to open it up)...

Salem's Lot, Stephen King Signed First Edition (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/222423653277?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT) ... Inscribed "Steve King 1975"

The Shining, Stephen King Signed First Edition (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/222423638267?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT) Inscribed 1979.

Skeleton Crew, Stephen King. Signed First Edition (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/222423620576?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT) Inscribed 1986.

He also has signed US 1sts of TGWLTG, Dark Half, and 11/22/63.

I took this post from another thread.......

When I click on any of the links, the auctions come up.

Yet when I click on SEE OTHER ITEMS (http://www.ebay.com/sch/roburas/m.html?item=222423653277&rmvSB=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562), nothing comes up....when the seller clearly has at least three auctions running.

Same with me... I think that's because the seller is only selling on eBay UK, and not selling to the U.S.

[amd013]

Next issue.......

For our UK cohort, this seller has some incredible items but (devastatingly) only ships locally (at this stage. I've messaged him to open it up)...

Salem's Lot, Stephen King Signed First Edition (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/222423653277?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT) ... Inscribed "Steve King 1975"

The Shining, Stephen King Signed First Edition (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/222423638267?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT) Inscribed 1979.

Skeleton Crew, Stephen King. Signed First Edition (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/222423620576?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT) Inscribed 1986.

He also has signed US 1sts of TGWLTG, Dark Half, and 11/22/63.

I took this post from another thread.......

When I click on any of the links, the auctions come up.

Yet when I click on SEE OTHER ITEMS (http://www.ebay.com/sch/roburas/m.html?item=222423653277&rmvSB=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562), nothing comes up....when the seller clearly has at least three auctions running.

Same with me... I think that's because the seller is only selling on eBay UK, and not selling to the U.S.

When I look at the 3 links you provided, they are all listed as sold, so it seems to make sense to me, unless you know of other items he is selling other then those.

[tippy4]

They were not sold when I looked at them....all auctions had over an hour to go.

Click on any link above....then click on SELLERS OTHER ITEMS...the check the box that says SOLD LISTINGS or COMPLETED LISTINGS....nothing shows up.

Perhaps Bryan is right in that they are UK ONLY auctions.

[Randall Flagg]

Seems like virtually all listings that show up in a "signed" search that are not signed are auctions by top rated sellers.

[dnemec]

Seems like virtually all listings that show up in a "signed" search that are not signed are auctions by top rated sellers.

Hmmm...hadn't noticed that. Interesting...

[herbertwest]

eBay to offer 3-day shipping for 20M items in new Guaranteed Delivery policy
>>>> http://marketingland.com/ebay-offer-3-day-shipping-20m-items-new-guaranteed-delivery-policy-209656

[Br!an]

eBay to offer 3-day shipping for 20M items in new Guaranteed Delivery policy
>>>> http://marketingland.com/ebay-offer-3-day-shipping-20m-items-new-guaranteed-delivery-policy-209656

I'll wait and see what this is. I already offer same day shipping.

[jsmcmullen92]

Anyone ever had an issue trying to return something? I opened a case and is it went in my favor. Now when I go to the case and click Print return label I just get an error message saying "Sorry we're not able to process the label at this time, please try again later." I have tried printing it a few times a day over the last 4 days and still nothing. I have contacted them and all they say is try again later. I have tried normal window, incognito window, allowing popups, allowing flash and nothing works.

Basically if I want to return it they want me to buy my own shipping and they will not reimburse me for it because they have technical difficulties.

[Br!an]

Anyone ever had an issue trying to return something? I opened a case and is it went in my favor. Now when I go to the case and click Print return label I just get an error message saying "Sorry we're not able to process the label at this time, please try again later." I have tried printing it a few times a day over the last 4 days and still nothing. I have contacted them and all they say is try again later. I have tried normal window, incognito window, allowing popups, allowing flash and nothing works.

Basically if I want to return it they want me to buy my own shipping and they will not reimburse me for it because they have technical difficulties.

I just won a case. I printed the return label from the Resolution Center link without a problem.

You might try a different browser. Clearing your cache and cookies might help too.

[jsmcmullen92]

Anyone ever had an issue trying to return something? I opened a case and is it went in my favor. Now when I go to the case and click Print return label I just get an error message saying "Sorry we're not able to process the label at this time, please try again later." I have tried printing it a few times a day over the last 4 days and still nothing. I have contacted them and all they say is try again later. I have tried normal window, incognito window, allowing popups, allowing flash and nothing works.

Basically if I want to return it they want me to buy my own shipping and they will not reimburse me for it because they have technical difficulties.

I just won a case. I printed the return label from the Resolution Center link without a problem.

You might try a different browser. Clearing your cache and cookies might help too.

Thanks maybe I'll try IE. If it doesn't work any where else it will usually work on IE but it's also true vice versa

EDIT: no-go. from what I have read once the system flags a shipping label wrong it is broken from then on. You would have to get them to generate a new label completely which they wont do.

[Br!an]

Anyone ever had an issue trying to return something? I opened a case and is it went in my favor. Now when I go to the case and click Print return label I just get an error message saying "Sorry we're not able to process the label at this time, please try again later." I have tried printing it a few times a day over the last 4 days and still nothing. I have contacted them and all they say is try again later. I have tried normal window, incognito window, allowing popups, allowing flash and nothing works.

Basically if I want to return it they want me to buy my own shipping and they will not reimburse me for it because they have technical difficulties.

I just won a case. I printed the return label from the Resolution Center link without a problem.

You might try a different browser. Clearing your cache and cookies might help too.

Thanks maybe I'll try IE. If it doesn't work any where else it will usually work on IE but it's also true vice versa

EDIT: no-go. from what I have read once the system flags a shipping label wrong it is broken from then on. You would have to get them to generate a new label completely which they wont do.

I've had success when I call them. They don't make it easy to do anything online.

[Randall Flagg]

It took almost 3 weeks, but ebay refunded my purchase and shipping price for a German Duddits that was shipped in a piece of paper and thus was damaged. Since it's international, they didn't even want it returned.

[Fsmdr]

I would like to clear up some misconception regarding Paypal fees since between members, we do quite a bit of sending and receiving. Paypal fees are NOT 4%, but only 2.9% for domestic transactions (plus 30 cents per transaction). However fees are 4.4% if receiving from an international sender. Here is the information from Paypal website:

https://www.paypal.com/businessexp/fees/paypal-fees

[darkseer]

I would like to clear up some misconception regarding Paypal fees since between members, we do quite a bit of sending and receiving. Paypal fees are NOT 4%, but only 2.9% for domestic transactions (plus 30 cents per transaction). However fees are 4.4% if receiving from an international sender. Here is the information from Paypal website:

https://www.paypal.com/businessexp/fees/paypal-fees

Thanks I've been wondering about that. :thumbsup:

[herbertwest]

How long for can one complain to paypal after paying?
For instance, with ebay purchases that are mentionned are preorders, is it safe to do so?

[Br!an]

How long for can one complain to paypal after paying?
For instance, with ebay purchases that are mentionned are preorders, is it safe to do so?

180 days. Ebay presales must be honored within 30 days, so you should be fine.

[herbertwest]

Well, I ordered two of those Fye Pennywise figurine off ebay, so will see :)

[herbertwest]

eBay launched a petition : SAY NO TO NEW INTERNET SALES TAXES IN EUROPE
> https://www.ebaymainstreet.com/say-no-new-internet-sales-taxes-europe
>>> https://www.ebaymainstreet.com/petition/2017/vat

[herbertwest]

I dont often sells on ebay anymore, but today I was surprised that on a product that I sold for 9.99€, they took a commission of 3.20€
I''ve just realised that they take into account the cost of SHIPPING in the commission.

The book was sold to a member here, and so ebay considered the total cost of 39.99€ to calculte the commission, therefore the commission was 8% of the price+shipping.

Apparently it's like this since 2014, but still annoying! Need to take into account that when setting up a delivery price !

[Br!an]

I dont often sells on ebay anymore, but today I was surprised that on a product that I sold for 9.99€, they took a commission of 3.20€
I''ve just realised that they take into account the cost of SHIPPING in the commission.

The book was sold to a member here, and so ebay considered the total cost of 39.99€ to calculte the commission, therefore the commission was 8% of the price+shipping.

Apparently it's like this since 2014, but still annoying! Need to take into account that when setting up a delivery price !

There was a time when eBay didn't charge a percentage of the shipping fee. Of course people started taking advantage of that by selling cheap and charging outlandish prices for shipping.

Now eBay and PayPal both get full fees for the total order exclusive of taxes.

[herbertwest]

I am interested by a concert that takes place in Paris on my upcoming birthday, but turns out that all tickets seems to be sold, on all websites.

I have noticed that someone sells 2 tickets on ebay at a not too expensive price (if I can sell back the second ticket).
We all have heard about not buying tickets on the secondary market as they could be fake, so my question is : if i buy tickets on ebay and pay via paypal, can I complain afterwards if I cannot attend the concert?
What kind of proof could I provide?

It however SEEM fine as the seller has about 300 feedback and a 100% rating, all of the sales being concert tickets...
-

[Randall Flagg]

If the tickets are fake, and you are denied entry to the event, you certainly can file a dispute with ebay. Scan the tickets before the concert so that you have your own image of them. If they are fake, they could be confiscated, and all you have is a story.

[herbertwest]

I may try that and order the tix if still available when I get paid.
If things dont go well, how may I prove to paypal that I couldnt enter the venue? Wont they be annoying about it?

[Randall Flagg]

I often do a simple search for "Stephen King" with newly listed as my sorting criteria. In the past, the date and time of the posting was listed on the search results. I don't see it anymore.
Puzzling.

[jhanic]

My search still shows the date and time about the same level as the price but on the right side.

John

[Randall Flagg]

Looks like it might be Firefox. Doesn't happen with Chrome.

[jhanic]

Interesting!!

John

I just downloaded Chrome and my eBay search also did not show the date and time. Weird.

John

[dnemec]

Mine doesn't show the date and time on some searches, but does on others. I've noticed it, but couldn't figure out why. I use Chrome.

[jsweet]

eBay to Intermediate Payments on its Marketplace Platform
eBay has signed an agreement with Adyen, a leading global payments processor, to become its primary payments processing partner.
https://www.ebayinc.com/stories/news/ebay-to-intermediate-payments-on-its-marketplace-platform/

[Randall Flagg]

eBay to Intermediate Payments on its Marketplace Platform
eBay has signed an agreement with Adyen, a leading global payments processor, to become its primary payments processing partner.
https://www.ebayinc.com/stories/news/ebay-to-intermediate-payments-on-its-marketplace-platform/
Reading through the babblespeak...what does that mean for the common ebay buyer/seller?

[ur2ndbiggestfan]

I'd like to know that too. They say the transition will take a number of years.

[Bev Vincent]

Here’s a good article on the subject. https://www.recode.net/2018/1/31/16957212/ebay-adyen-paypal-payments-agreement

[jhanic]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/31/ebay-in-split-from-paypal-will-start-using-adyen.html

John

[herbertwest]

I forgot that eBay sold Paypal a few years back, that explains that, but that would be annoying for ebay users who dont necessarily want to use/trust another payment platform...

edit : "Customers will have the option of using Adyen on its site or going off-site to pay via PayPal."

[DoctorZaius]

Anyone ever gotten a 1099-K tax form from PayPal before, the one called "Payment and Third Party Network Transactions"? What gives? I've sold for years on eBay and have never gotten one of these before.

[firemonkey66]

Anyone ever gotten a 1099-K tax form from PayPal before, the one called "Payment and Third Party Network Transactions"? What gives? I've sold for years on eBay and have never gotten one of these before.

Me too! And for less than 2000 dollars! WTF?

[DoctorZaius]

Anyone ever gotten a 1099-K tax form from PayPal before, the one called "Payment and Third Party Network Transactions"? What gives? I've sold for years on eBay and have never gotten one of these before.

Me too! And for less than 2000 dollars! WTF?

Mine was for about $4000. This is absolute BS!

[Bev Vincent]

Aug 3, 2017 - Introduces new requirements for taxpayers who must file an pay 1099-K taxes. Payment Settlement Entities (e.g. credit card companies) and third party payment networks (e.g., Paypal and Google Checkout) send the 1099-K to the business owner.

https://www.irs.gov/businesses/understanding-your-1099-k

[firemonkey66]

Aug 3, 2017 - Introduces new requirements for taxpayers who must file an pay 1099-K taxes. Payment Settlement Entities (e.g. credit card companies) and third party payment networks (e.g., Paypal and Google Checkout) send the 1099-K to the business owner.

https://www.irs.gov/businesses/understanding-your-1099-k

So it only happened because the buyer used a credit card? Haha, i got a tax form for one transaction on eBay for selling a book I spent 900 dollars on. I guess I’m never going to sell anything on eBay ever again.

Still ruminating on this: And now I’m out that one book! After I pay tax on that as income, I’m going to have sold it for a price I wouldn’t have sold it for! God-fucking-damnit.

[jhanic]

I have not researched these regulations, but it seems to me that you should be able to offset the sale price by how much you paid for the item. If you paid $900 for the book and you sold it for $1000, you should only be responsible for the $100 profit.

John

[Randall Flagg]

My understanding is that PP doesn't issue the 1099k unless you have 20K in payments received, AND 200 transactions. I know because in 2013, because of the fundraiser (and personal sales) I exceeded both thresholds and thus received one. It was a bit of a PITA, but with the help of a tax preparing friend, I suffered no financial harm.

[firemonkey66]

My understanding is that PP doesn't issue the 1099k unless you have 20K in payments received, AND 200 transactions. I know because in 2013, because of the fundraiser (and personal sales) I exceeded both thresholds and thus received one. It was a bit of a PITA, but with the help of a tax preparing friend, I suffered no financial harm.

That’s what I used to think, but I sold one book on eBay in 2017, and received a 1099 from PayPal for the exact amount of that sale.

[Randall Flagg]

My understanding is that PP doesn't issue the 1099k unless you have 20K in payments received, AND 200 transactions. I know because in 2013, because of the fundraiser (and personal sales) I exceeded both thresholds and thus received one. It was a bit of a PITA, but with the help of a tax preparing friend, I suffered no financial harm.

That’s what I used to think, but I sold one book on eBay in 2017, and received a 1099 from PayPal for the exact amount of that sale.
So the sale was by someone who used a Credit Card rather than PP?

[Randall Flagg]

Or a Credit card within the PP system?

[firemonkey66]

Or a Credit card within the PP system?

Must have been this, but there’s no way to prevent this, I don’t think.

[lotuz]

Who gets a 1099-K?
Most retailers who accept online credit card payments from customers will receive a 1099-K if its annual processing activity has met the following guidelines:
Through third party processors, if the volume is over $20,000 AND if there were more than 200 individual transactions.
In limited instances: If the sales volume is over $600 per year.

Sounds like you guys just got lucky! :frown2::frown2::frown2:

But as was mentioned earlier, you should only have to pay tax on the profits.

[Bev Vincent]

Have people stopped giving feedback on eBay? The last half dozen sales or so I've made, the buyers haven't provided any feedback. As a seller, I always wait for the buyer to give feedback first, to indicate the transaction is complete.

[jsmcmullen92]

Have people stopped giving feedback on eBay? The last half dozen sales or so I've made, the buyers haven't provided any feedback. As a seller, I always wait for the buyer to give feedback first, to indicate the transaction is complete.

Not going to lie. I have really stopped caring about it. I still stay away from people with terrible feedback scores but at the same time I don't rely on them because there is buyer protection. If the seller screws up it's on them and the buyer can return the item. Kinda removes the need to be extremely cautious.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

Have people stopped giving feedback on eBay? The last half dozen sales or so I've made, the buyers haven't provided any feedback. As a seller, I always wait for the buyer to give feedback first, to indicate the transaction is complete.

I always give feedback, for that reason. As a buyer, I want the seller to know I received the item and all is well.

[divemaster]

Used to be, a buyer and seller would exchange e-mails, work out a payment method, discuss shipping, etc. Now you have to "check out" with a computer-generated payment platform; computer-generated invoices; computer generated e-mails--often from an eBay "store." So many of these transactions can be accomplished without any interaction between buyer and seller at all. Myself, I always leave feedback as either a buyer or seller, but I understand if I don't ever hear from the other party. When I buy from Amazon, I don't leave feedback or a review. It's just shopping.

It's this impersonal aspect of eBay that turned me from a very frequent user to a very infrequent one. It's basically no different than any other web store. This is much to eBay's detriment, in my opinion.

[Randall Flagg]

Have people stopped giving feedback on eBay? The last half dozen sales or so I've made, the buyers haven't provided any feedback. As a seller, I always wait for the buyer to give feedback first, to indicate the transaction is complete.
IMO, you have it backwards. They buyers responsibility is to pay for the item in a reasonable time. Once the buyer has paid, I promptly package the item up and mail it with a tracking number. I input the tracking number on the ebay part, then provide positive feedback.
I have noticed that fewer buyers reciprocate, but as long as I don't receive negative feedback (I have none), I no longer worry about increasing my score

[Hunchback Jack]

As a buyer, I always leave feedback, and will never leave negative feedback without trying to resolve the issue first.

I rely on feedback - particularly for expensive items - so I figure it pays to contribute to that system.

[herbertwest]

I agree with Bev that since awhile, buyers do not seem to give feedbacks anymore. But as Jerome said, as long they dont give negative feedbacks, that's fine by me.

[Fsmdr]

Ebay 20% off coupon for today only:


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[DoctorZaius]

A dilemma.

I purchase many items off eBay for my school plays. I needed two identical dresses, in differing colors. I found what I wanted, but the shipping was $15 for each $20 dress. $30 to ship two dresses seemed ridiculous to me, so I reached out the seller to find out about combined shipping. I received an instant autobot response that they do not offer combined shipping. I was pissed off, and I will admit a bit petty in the end. I needed the dresses, so I ordered them in separate auctions, even paid for them separately. I fiigured that if I was paying for two separate shipping charges, then they should have to ship two separate items. I am sure you know where this is going. They then combined the two items into one package, never asking me if that was OK, and did not offer any refund in the way of shipping.

What to do? Negative feedback regarding shipping practices and lack of communication? Neutral feedback for the same reasons? Approach them about a partial refund for one shipping charge? What do you think?

[Randall Flagg]

A dilemma.

I purchase many items off eBay for my school plays. I needed two identical dresses, in differing colors. I found what I wanted, but the shipping was $15 for each $20 dress. $30 to ship two dresses seemed ridiculous to me, so I reached out the seller to find out about combined shipping. I received an instant autobot response that they do not offer combined shipping. I was pissed off, and I will admit a bit petty in the end. I needed the dresses, so I ordered them in separate auctions, even paid for them separately. I fiigured that if I was paying for two separate shipping charges, then they should have to ship two separate items. I am sure you know where this is going. They then combined the two items into one package, never asking me if that was OK, and did not offer any refund in the way of shipping.

What to do? Negative feedback regarding shipping practices and lack of communication? Neutral feedback for the same reasons? Approach them about a partial refund for one shipping charge? What do you think?
Give them a chance to offer a refund on the shipping. Be polite and succinct. Do not mention negative feedback. Give them 7 days to respond. If you receive no positive response (refund), give negative feedback AND contact ebay/PP for a partial dispute.

[AstroDad]

A dilemma.

I purchase many items off eBay for my school plays. I needed two identical dresses, in differing colors. I found what I wanted, but the shipping was $15 for each $20 dress. $30 to ship two dresses seemed ridiculous to me, so I reached out the seller to find out about combined shipping. I received an instant autobot response that they do not offer combined shipping. I was pissed off, and I will admit a bit petty in the end. I needed the dresses, so I ordered them in separate auctions, even paid for them separately. I fiigured that if I was paying for two separate shipping charges, then they should have to ship two separate items. I am sure you know where this is going. They then combined the two items into one package, never asking me if that was OK, and did not offer any refund in the way of shipping.

What to do? Negative feedback regarding shipping practices and lack of communication? Neutral feedback for the same reasons? Approach them about a partial refund for one shipping charge? What do you think?

I had the exact same thing happen not too long ago with a couple of books. I pointed out to the seller that he said he could not combine shipping, but then he did. I asked for a partial shipping refund and they obliged. It was enough to make me not want to do business with them again though as I find it shady.

[redsoxfan565]

Ebay 20% off coupon for today only:


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[Tommy]

If you order something from ebay and it never shows up and the seller is now no longer a registered member, is there a way to get a refund? Because under the contact the seller heading, a request refund option is usually listed but it's not there now.

[herbertwest]

Did you pay via Paypal?
Otherwise, try via your bank cards maybe?

[Tommy]

Did you pay via Paypal?
Otherwise, try via your bank cards maybe?

It was a preorder for something that still hasn't come out (which I didn't know) but I guess I let it go too long and it looks like nothing can be done. I'm thankful it was not a big purchase. I will be much more cautious about preorders on ebay now.

[Fsmdr]

Did you pay via Paypal?
Otherwise, try via your bank cards maybe?

It was a preorder for something that still hasn't come out (which I didn't know) but I guess I let it go too long and it looks like nothing can be done. I'm thankful it was not a big purchase. I will be much more cautious about preorders on ebay now.

It doesn't hurt to call Ebay and inquire. Not sure how long the statue of limitation is, but guessing 3 months?

[Br!an]

Per the site rules pre-orders can only be for 30 days prior to shipment. They aren't allowed to sell anything that takes longer.

The time limit for opening a case is 30 days after the latest estimated delivery date. If you used PayPal, you have six months to dispute the charge.

[Tommy]

I will have to look into this further, thank you for the info everyone. :grouphug:

[jsweet]

Per the fall seller update that went out today, eBay final value fees for books (along with other media) is going up to 12% starting next month
https://pages.ebay.com/seller-center/seller-updates/2018-fall/marketplace-update.html

[Randall Flagg]

The rich get richer.

[Father Cody]

Jesus. Then they get another, what, 3-4% from the PayPal transaction? Facebook Marketplace must be killing them.

[Br!an]

Jesus. Then they get another, what, 3-4% from the PayPal transaction? Facebook Marketplace must be killing them.

PayPal is 2.9% + .30¢ per transaction. So it totals ~15% now.

$100 sale - $12 for eBay - $3.20 for PayPal leaves $84.80 for the seller.

To make $100.12 I'd have to sell at $118.

[webstar1000]

Jesus. Then they get another, what, 3-4% from the PayPal transaction? Facebook Marketplace must be killing them.

PayPal is 2.9% + .30¢ per transaction. So it totals ~15% now.

$100 sale - $12 for eBay - $3.20 for PayPal leaves $84.80 for the seller.

To make $100.12 I'd have to sell at $118.

PayPal is that for US sellers.. NOT for the rest of us:( I am pretty much 15% now! :(

[Br!an]

Jesus. Then they get another, what, 3-4% from the PayPal transaction? Facebook Marketplace must be killing them.

PayPal is 2.9% + .30¢ per transaction. So it totals ~15% now.

$100 sale - $12 for eBay - $3.20 for PayPal leaves $84.80 for the seller.

To make $100.12 I'd have to sell at $118.

PayPal is that for US sellers.. NOT for the rest of us:( I am pretty much 15% now! :(

That's for a US seller with a bank account attached to the PP account which is what I am.

Outside the US is different and using a credit card link to PP is different. Y'all'l have to do the math for your own situation.

[Father Cody]

Jesus. Then they get another, what, 3-4% from the PayPal transaction? Facebook Marketplace must be killing them.

PayPal is 2.9% + .30¢ per transaction. So it totals ~15% now.

$100 sale - $12 for eBay - $3.20 for PayPal leaves $84.80 for the seller.

To make $100.12 I'd have to sell at $118.

PayPal is that for US sellers.. NOT for the rest of us:( I am pretty much 15% now! :(

Greedy bastards! That sucks, Kris. Had no idea they charge more for non-US sellers. Luckily we don’t really need eBay. I’m just going to stick to selling here and on Facebook. Still 2.9% + .30¢ but that’s worth it for the convenience imo.

[playdohman]

eBay coupon today. 15% Coupon until 10 pm PT to save on everything. Use code PRONTO15.

[herbertwest]

So, I am an ebay member since 2005, with a 100% rating :
https://feedback.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=herbert_west1&ftab=AllFeedback&myworld=true&rt=nc


Last week, I did put 3 boxes of "wax music cylinder for sale", which was found at my moms garage : https://www.ebay.fr/itm/273398333086?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1561.l2649
The auction was for a hand delivery.

Someone living a few hours away was interested but wanted me to send them. We talked a bit on the phone and a few text messages. I sent them.
While discussing on the phone, I made clear that I dont know what they are supposed to look like etc
He has recieved them, but now complains that they werent stored properly, took some humidy and are useless.

For me, my auction do shows a few wax tubes (maybe not many), allowing him to judge.
He paid via paypal, item (60€) + shipping (50€), at the time, he asked me about the shipping charge (on my phone) cause were a bit pricey. I was honnest and said that I needed to pack them and charged a bit extra because the original plan was to be hand delivered.

So, I am guessing that he will log a dispute with Paypal because the items are, according to him, not in the state of the description. Which I am going to dispute back mentionning the pictures but then it shows maybe 3-4 tubes out of roughly 80 or more


What can happen from that point of view?
I am guessing that Paypal may give him his money back... maybe... but will I lose that money?
Will Paypal's insurance reimburse him without impacting me either?

I dont have any money on my account just now, but my visa is linked to Paypal.
This is the first time that I have a dispute, and therefore I am intrigued of what can happen.


Oh and the buyer has the same ratings : about 300, at 100%, and registered on ebay since 2003

[webstar1000]

So, I am an ebay member since 2005, with a 100% rating :
https://feedback.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=herbert_west1&ftab=AllFeedback&myworld=true&rt=nc


Last week, I did put 3 boxes of "wax music cylinder for sale", which was found at my moms garage : https://www.ebay.fr/itm/273398333086?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1561.l2649
The auction was for a hand delivery.

Someone living a few hours away was interested but wanted me to send them. We talked a bit on the phone and a few text messages. I sent them.
While discussing on the phone, I made clear that I dont know what they are supposed to look like etc
He has recieved them, but now complains that they werent stored properly, took some humidy and are useless.

For me, my auction do shows a few wax tubes (maybe not many), allowing him to judge.
He paid via paypal, item (60€) + shipping (50€), at the time, he asked me about the shipping charge (on my phone) cause were a bit pricey. I was honnest and said that I needed to pack them and charged a bit extra because the original plan was to be hand delivered.

So, I am guessing that he will log a dispute with Paypal because the items are, according to him, not in the state of the description. Which I am going to dispute back mentionning the pictures but then it shows maybe 3-4 tubes out of roughly 80 or more


What can happen from that point of view?
I am guessing that Paypal may give him his money back... maybe... but will I lose that money?
Will Paypal's insurance reimburse him without impacting me either?

I dont have any money on my account just now, but my visa is linked to Paypal.
This is the first time that I have a dispute, and therefore I am intrigued of what can happen.


Oh and the buyer has the same ratings : about 300, at 100%, and registered on ebay since 2003

Why not just save a potentially bad rating and refund his money? He isnt happy.... the choice to me is clear no?

[ke7285]

So, I am an ebay member since 2005, with a 100% rating :
https://feedback.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=herbert_west1&ftab=AllFeedback&myworld=true&rt=nc


Last week, I did put 3 boxes of "wax music cylinder for sale", which was found at my moms garage : https://www.ebay.fr/itm/273398333086?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1561.l2649
The auction was for a hand delivery.

Someone living a few hours away was interested but wanted me to send them. We talked a bit on the phone and a few text messages. I sent them.
While discussing on the phone, I made clear that I dont know what they are supposed to look like etc
He has recieved them, but now complains that they werent stored properly, took some humidy and are useless.

For me, my auction do shows a few wax tubes (maybe not many), allowing him to judge.
He paid via paypal, item (60€) + shipping (50€), at the time, he asked me about the shipping charge (on my phone) cause were a bit pricey. I was honnest and said that I needed to pack them and charged a bit extra because the original plan was to be hand delivered.

So, I am guessing that he will log a dispute with Paypal because the items are, according to him, not in the state of the description. Which I am going to dispute back mentionning the pictures but then it shows maybe 3-4 tubes out of roughly 80 or more


What can happen from that point of view?
I am guessing that Paypal may give him his money back... maybe... but will I lose that money?
Will Paypal's insurance reimburse him without impacting me either?

I dont have any money on my account just now, but my visa is linked to Paypal.
This is the first time that I have a dispute, and therefore I am intrigued of what can happen.


Oh and the buyer has the same ratings : about 300, at 100%, and registered on ebay since 2003

Your pictures are fairly good, as a cylinder and phonograph your pictures show where there could have been humidity issues, when buying lot’s like your’s is the chance you take. At over 100 years old what would one expect unless you mentioned that the were in great condition.

[herbertwest]

So, I am an ebay member since 2005, with a 100% rating :
https://feedback.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=herbert_west1&ftab=AllFeedback&myworld=true&rt=nc


Last week, I did put 3 boxes of "wax music cylinder for sale", which was found at my moms garage : https://www.ebay.fr/itm/273398333086?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1561.l2649
The auction was for a hand delivery.

Someone living a few hours away was interested but wanted me to send them. We talked a bit on the phone and a few text messages. I sent them.
While discussing on the phone, I made clear that I dont know what they are supposed to look like etc
He has recieved them, but now complains that they werent stored properly, took some humidy and are useless.

For me, my auction do shows a few wax tubes (maybe not many), allowing him to judge.
He paid via paypal, item (60€) + shipping (50€), at the time, he asked me about the shipping charge (on my phone) cause were a bit pricey. I was honnest and said that I needed to pack them and charged a bit extra because the original plan was to be hand delivered.

So, I am guessing that he will log a dispute with Paypal because the items are, according to him, not in the state of the description. Which I am going to dispute back mentionning the pictures but then it shows maybe 3-4 tubes out of roughly 80 or more


What can happen from that point of view?
I am guessing that Paypal may give him his money back... maybe... but will I lose that money?
Will Paypal's insurance reimburse him without impacting me either?

I dont have any money on my account just now, but my visa is linked to Paypal.
This is the first time that I have a dispute, and therefore I am intrigued of what can happen.


Oh and the buyer has the same ratings : about 300, at 100%, and registered on ebay since 2003

Why not just save a potentially bad rating and refund his money? He isnt happy.... the choice to me is clear no?

Why should I ?
I consider that my description and pictures were helping the customer, which could have asked for more details and more pictures shall he wanted to.

I dont think that 1 negative note will very badly impact by ratings...
In the very worst case, he paid : 60e for the items + 50 shipping, and ebay/paypal charge/will charge me about 15e.
SO in the very worst, I could reimburse 45€, but I dont think that he will be happy with, and I dont think that technically I was wrong

[webstar1000]

So, I am an ebay member since 2005, with a 100% rating :
https://feedback.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=herbert_west1&ftab=AllFeedback&myworld=true&rt=nc


Last week, I did put 3 boxes of "wax music cylinder for sale", which was found at my moms garage : https://www.ebay.fr/itm/273398333086?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1561.l2649
The auction was for a hand delivery.

Someone living a few hours away was interested but wanted me to send them. We talked a bit on the phone and a few text messages. I sent them.
While discussing on the phone, I made clear that I dont know what they are supposed to look like etc
He has recieved them, but now complains that they werent stored properly, took some humidy and are useless.

For me, my auction do shows a few wax tubes (maybe not many), allowing him to judge.
He paid via paypal, item (60€) + shipping (50€), at the time, he asked me about the shipping charge (on my phone) cause were a bit pricey. I was honnest and said that I needed to pack them and charged a bit extra because the original plan was to be hand delivered.

So, I am guessing that he will log a dispute with Paypal because the items are, according to him, not in the state of the description. Which I am going to dispute back mentionning the pictures but then it shows maybe 3-4 tubes out of roughly 80 or more


What can happen from that point of view?
I am guessing that Paypal may give him his money back... maybe... but will I lose that money?
Will Paypal's insurance reimburse him without impacting me either?

I dont have any money on my account just now, but my visa is linked to Paypal.
This is the first time that I have a dispute, and therefore I am intrigued of what can happen.


Oh and the buyer has the same ratings : about 300, at 100%, and registered on ebay since 2003

Why not just save a potentially bad rating and refund his money? He isnt happy.... the choice to me is clear no?

Why should I ?
I consider that my description and pictures were helping the customer, which could have asked for more details and more pictures shall he wanted to.

I dont think that 1 negative note will very badly impact by ratings...
In the very worst case, he paid : 60e for the items + 50 shipping, and ebay/paypal charge/will charge me about 15e.
SO in the very worst, I could reimburse 45€, but I dont think that he will be happy with, and I dont think that technically I was wrong

All I can say my man is when selling a book... IF FOR ANY reason they want to return it.. I do. It is just good customer service. That is why.... There is something wrong with the product you sold WHETHER you knew it or not... so why be like that and not allow the return? Is there a reason you won't? That is all I am saying man. I just think it would be good karma to do the right thing is all. All I am saying brother:)

[Father Cody]

I dont think that 1 negative note will very badly impact by ratings...

One negative feedback out of a lot of positives wouldn’t stop me from buying something. If nothing was wrong with the product, I wouldn’t refund a dime. Some people just want things for free. What does his buyer feedback look like?

[webstar1000]

I dont think that 1 negative note will very badly impact by ratings...

One negative feedback out of a lot of positives wouldn’t stop me from buying something. If nothing was wrong with the product, I wouldn’t refund a dime. Some people just want things for free. What does his buyer feedback look like?

I totally agree... but Jeremy even states he isn't familiar with them. Maybe there were bad? And what would this guy have to gain from wanting to return them? He wanted them in the first place right? Just playing Devils Advocate here is all I should say. haha

[Father Cody]

I dont think that 1 negative note will very badly impact by ratings...

One negative feedback out of a lot of positives wouldn’t stop me from buying something. If nothing was wrong with the product, I wouldn’t refund a dime. Some people just want things for free. What does his buyer feedback look like?

I totally agree... but Jeremy even states he isn't familiar with them. Maybe there were bad? And what would this guy have to gain from wanting to return them? He wanted them in the first place right? Just playing Devils Advocate here is all I should say. haha

Oh yeah if something was wrong with it then definitely I’d refund. And I agree the buyer could be genuinely upset and just wants a refund. My comment was more of a general one. Those “want everything for free” types drive me up a wall and I barely ever sell anything!

Good luck with whatever you decide to do, Jeremy!

[Randall Flagg]

Why argue? Just give a refund (as long as product is returned in condition you sent it out). If they dispute, they will win, and in most cases nowadays, the seller even pays return shipping.

[Br!an]

So, I am an ebay member since 2005, with a 100% rating :
https://feedback.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=herbert_west1&ftab=AllFeedback&myworld=true&rt=nc


Last week, I did put 3 boxes of "wax music cylinder for sale", which was found at my moms garage : https://www.ebay.fr/itm/273398333086?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1561.l2649
The auction was for a hand delivery.

Someone living a few hours away was interested but wanted me to send them. We talked a bit on the phone and a few text messages. I sent them.
While discussing on the phone, I made clear that I dont know what they are supposed to look like etc
He has recieved them, but now complains that they werent stored properly, took some humidy and are useless.

For me, my auction do shows a few wax tubes (maybe not many), allowing him to judge.
He paid via paypal, item (60€) + shipping (50€), at the time, he asked me about the shipping charge (on my phone) cause were a bit pricey. I was honnest and said that I needed to pack them and charged a bit extra because the original plan was to be hand delivered.

So, I am guessing that he will log a dispute with Paypal because the items are, according to him, not in the state of the description. Which I am going to dispute back mentionning the pictures but then it shows maybe 3-4 tubes out of roughly 80 or more


What can happen from that point of view?
I am guessing that Paypal may give him his money back... maybe... but will I lose that money?
Will Paypal's insurance reimburse him without impacting me either?

I dont have any money on my account just now, but my visa is linked to Paypal.
This is the first time that I have a dispute, and therefore I am intrigued of what can happen.


Oh and the buyer has the same ratings : about 300, at 100%, and registered on ebay since 2003

Why not just save a potentially bad rating and refund his money? He isnt happy.... the choice to me is clear no?

All eBay communication is supposed to go through ebay. If you had communicated that way then everything would be recorded. eBay has no idea what you said on the phone.

You did say in the description that some were damaged. You show six individual cylinders and 24 in a box. All of them look damaged or severely worn to me. I'm not sure how much of a case he has because they're damaged since you stated that in the description and showed it in photographs.

Has he left you feedback yet? If not then you have to play nice.

You could do as Kris suggests and refund his money. Of course he would have to return them to get his 60€. (Shipping not being refundable since it was indeed shipped.) That will cost him the return shipping, which if he spends 50€ to return them he nets 10€ refund.

I'd probably start by offering him a partial refund, say 30€, and he can keep them. He doesn't have to pay return shipping that way. You're out 30€, but you are also up 30€. He saves 30€ and now owns some novelty antique wax cylinders and boxes for a very reasonable price.

*

If he opens a case, and wins, he'll have to return the items at his own expense for a refund of the purchase price of 60€.

PayPal will place a hold on the value of the purchase. I'm not sure if that will include the shipping charge, but I'm guessing it will until the dispute is resolved. They won't charge your card. They will hold any money deposited in your PayPal account up to their hold amount until the dispute is resolved.

[Br!an]

Why should I ?
I consider that my description and pictures were helping the customer, which could have asked for more details and more pictures shall he wanted to.

I dont think that 1 negative note will very badly impact by ratings...
In the very worst case, he paid : 60e for the items + 50 shipping, and ebay/paypal charge/will charge me about 15e.
SO in the very worst, I could reimburse 45€, but I dont think that he will be happy with, and I dont think that technically I was wrong

If he gives you negative feedback, you can post an explanation.

They charge final value fees. If you issue a refund they will only charge you fees on the shipping portion.

[herbertwest]

Contacting each other outside of ebay : wouldnt it be interesting to know that he was the one suggesting, via ebay messenger, to contact him by phone to talk more about the transaction?

Otherwise, there are obviously no proofs of what was said on the phone. I have the (few) text messages which I can do a screenshot of, although I guess that it could be argued it's photoshopped.
One of those text messages is interesting I believe because I mention that there are :3 empty boxes, 1 broken cylinder, but 76 unbroken one. Mostly white, but I noticed about ten "brown" ones and 4-5 black ones".

He replied "ok"

Otherwise, it seems that most people here would go with a refund. Of which I could only do a partial one, hence the ebay/paypal fees & shipping that couldnt be reimbursed.

I personally dont care about the item. It was actually going to be binned within a few more days shall it not send.
My issue with a refund is merely based on principles : I tried to be as truthful as possible, I didnt arrange the truth, and he could have asked for more pictures, and I would have been happy to send them to him.
My gut feeling has always been that he was taking a bet. Maybe he was getting a good deal, maybe it wasn't, and no he wants to get his money back because it was a lost bet.

So I am not sure yet what I will do. Maybe i'll tell him to open a dispute with paypal if he wants to, or maybe i'll offer a partial refund of 30€, which I doubt that he will accept.

Then another question crosses my mind : I personally dont care about the item. If I recieve them, I'll just get rid of them.
So, knowing that the auction was saying "hand delivery" and refusing return, should I therefore ask him to send them back to me (at his expense), or tell him to do whatever he wants.
I may ask him to return them because we both disagree, so why should I make his life easier?

[webstar1000]

Contacting each other outside of ebay : wouldnt it be interesting to know that he was the one suggesting, via ebay messenger, to contact him by phone to talk more about the transaction?

Otherwise, there are obviously no proofs of what was said on the phone. I have the (few) text messages which I can do a screenshot of, although I guess that it could be argued it's photoshopped.
One of those text messages is interesting I believe because I mention that there are :3 empty boxes, 1 broken cylinder, but 76 unbroken one. Mostly white, but I noticed about ten "brown" ones and 4-5 black ones".

He replied "ok"

Otherwise, it seems that most people here would go with a refund. Of which I could only do a partial one, hence the ebay/paypal fees & shipping that couldnt be reimbursed.

I personally dont care about the item. It was actually going to be binned within a few more days shall it not send.
My issue with a refund is merely based on principles : I tried to be as truthful as possible, I didnt arrange the truth, and he could have asked for more pictures, and I would have been happy to send them to him.
My gut feeling has always been that he was taking a bet. Maybe he was getting a good deal, maybe it wasn't, and no he wants to get his money back because it was a lost bet.

So I am not sure yet what I will do. Maybe i'll tell him to open a dispute with paypal if he wants to, or maybe i'll offer a partial refund of 30€, which I doubt that he will accept.

Then another question crosses my mind : I personally dont care about the item. If I recieve them, I'll just get rid of them.
So, knowing that the auction was saying "hand delivery" and refusing return, should I therefore ask him to send them back to me (at his expense), or tell him to do whatever he wants.
I may ask him to return them because we both disagree, so why should I make his life easier?

If he bought the item and hoped it was ok.. and was not.. how did he lose a bet? He hoped to get a product that worked. It does not. And IF YOU don't care.... just refund it. Case closed. Your a good guy ( We all know this brother) so I guess I cannot understand why the internal dilemma. To me, this is easy, send it back and I will refund you. I do wish you luck in whatever you decide my man:)

[Randall Flagg]

Kris is (IMO) correct. Don't get emotional over a small transaction. Just give a refund upon return, trash the item, and move on. I know you are venting a bit, but your time is worth more than spending it writing about, and disputing the issue.

[ke7285]

Jeremy I understand why Jerome and Kris are suggesting to just give the refund and not stress too much about one sale. The brown cylinders are the rarest they were made from about 1880-1907, they sell for more than $50-$100 each. Just like a fine book condition is everything, the inside part that sit’s on the mandrel is plaster water is not it’s friend at all!

[herbertwest]

I did some quick research online before putting them for sell, and did notice that they were quite a few for sale on ebay at 5€ or so. Hence i decided to put the entire lot on ebay, cheaply, and not bother too much.
Anyway, he suggested that I refund him 40€ and keeps them. I accepted, and sent him the money, and the case should now be sorted.

----

Just to try to understand better what happens in case of dispute : Paypal freeze your credits on your account until the matter is resolved?
Meaning that one cannot use Paypal until it's sorted?

[Br!an]

Just to try to understand better what happens in case of dispute : Paypal freeze your credits on your account until the matter is resolved?
Meaning that one cannot use Paypal until it's sorted?

You can still use it. You could purchase something with PayPal and they would charge your card as normal. If you deposit cash into PayPal they will hold an amount equal to the dispute. So if you sold something by accepting PayPal that money - up to the disputed amount - wouldn't be available to you.

[tippy4]

Seems like ebay is moving to a new shipping label page layout....one in which you cannot buy insurance for Media Mail.

There is a link to the "classic label page" for now.......where you can insure Media Mail.....but for how long?

[jsmcmullen92]

Seems like ebay is moving to a new shipping label page layout....one in which you cannot buy insurance for Media Mail.

There is a link to the "classic label page" for now.......where you can insure Media Mail.....but for how long?

Try grabbing the URL of the old one and seeing if you can figure out the pattern for it. Most web developers leave old pages live for quite some time if not indefinitely. They just change the links to the new one. You can also buy your shipping outside of eBay with paypal.com/shipnow and then just add the tracking information into eBay afterwards.

[Br!an]

Seems like ebay is moving to a new shipping label page layout....one in which you cannot buy insurance for Media Mail.

There is a link to the "classic label page" for now.......where you can insure Media Mail.....but for how long?

Try grabbing the URL of the old one and seeing if you can figure out the pattern for it. Most web developers leave old pages live for quite some time if not indefinitely. They just change the links to the new one. You can also buy your shipping outside of eBay with paypal.com/shipnow and then just add the tracking information into eBay afterwards.

If the customer paid with PP then then shipnow will populate the label with customer info and automatically provide eBay with tracking.

[jsweet]

Was shipping an item today and noticed the insurance and signature options were now available with media mail on the new postage page.

[Fsmdr]

Not sure if everyone knows, but Ebay fees is now 12%. Sucks.

[Kingfan24]

Wow 12% - won’t be selling much there anymore.

[Br!an]

Not sure if everyone knows, but Ebay fees is now 12%. Sucks.

I noticed that for my November sales. I don't have any idea when that started.

[jsweet]

Not sure if everyone knows, but Ebay fees is now 12%. Sucks.

I noticed that for my November sales. I don't have any idea when that started.

They announced it in August; it started September 15

[firemonkey66]

It’s 12% specifically for book sales, which is more than a little annoying. Now with 3% PayPal fees, it costs just as much to sell a book on eBay as it does to sell a book through a consignment operation. Pretty lame. That’s why I only list stuff when they have some kind of promotional thing that reduces final value fees.

[Phalucha]

I quit selling on Ebay a long time ago. Between shipping and fees there is nothing left! And for buyers outside the US the global shipping program helpfully collects duties for foreign governments. Super helpful! I think they are ripe to be disrupted.

[DoctorZaius]

It’s 12% specifically for book sales, which is more than a little annoying. Now with 3% PayPal fees, it costs just as much to sell a book on eBay as it does to sell a book through a consignment operation. Pretty lame. That’s why I only list stuff when they have some kind of promotional thing that reduces final value fees.

Time to send more work David's way.

[Br!an]

It’s 12% specifically for book sales, which is more than a little annoying. Now with 3% PayPal fees, it costs just as much to sell a book on eBay as it does to sell a book through a consignment operation. Pretty lame. That’s why I only list stuff when they have some kind of promotional thing that reduces final value fees.

Time to send more work David's way.

Definitely send more business to David.

Remember though that he charges a fee too.

[firemonkey66]

Jesus Christ Almighty, I received a 1099-K from Paypal today that I wasn't expecting. Last year I got a 1099-K for selling ONE book for 1500 dollars and found out that Massachusetts had changed their tax laws such that EACH payment in excess of 600 dollars would result in a 1099-K. So this year I kept the few things that I sold to under 600 dollars EACH, but I got a 1099-K anyway. Turns out Massachusetts changed its tax law again so that if you receive payments IN TOTAL over 600 dollars for the year, you get a 1099-K. So literally everything I sold on ebay in 2018 is on the form. I got a 16.17 dollar refund from Cemetery Dance recently that they just had to issue via Paypal payment because it had been longer than 180 days since I bought the book, and even that is on there. So much for selling anything on ebay anymore and/or pursuing a hobby that involves a little buying and selling from time to time. Thank you, government (state, federal, whatever), for squeezing every last drop from us. My only consolation while I'm bled dry is the knowledge that my ample tax dollars will keep the government running smoothly.

[Randall Flagg]

Taxachusetts is just plain brutal.

[Br!an]

My only consolation while I'm bled dry is the knowledge that my ample tax dollars will keep the government running smoothly. :wtf:

From Intuit:

If you received money from paypal, but not as a business or with the intention of making money, you would not have to report the income on your tax return- unless you sold the items for more than you purchased them for. Even though you do not have to report the income, keep a copy of the 1099-K with a list of the items you sold and how much, with your tax records. If you did sell items as a side job, you would include the income on Schedule C (as business income)

From the Massachusetts Department of Revenue:

If you receive either a federal Form 1099-K or a Massachusetts Form M-1099-K that shows amounts paid to you, you must report taxable amounts on Schedule X, as other income, or if such amounts are derived from a trade or business, on Schedule C. See TIR 17-XX.

[herbertwest]

Did paypal recently change something in their fees?
I made a family/friends payment of $80. I had to use $60ish from my account or visa, because I didnt have enough money on paypal.

They charged me $2 or so.
I am pretty sure that I wouldnt have any fees before for paying from my account.

Or maybe it was the currency actually

[Br!an]

Did paypal recently change something in their fees?
I made a family/friends payment of $80. I had to use $60ish from my account or visa, because I didnt have enough money on paypal.

They charged me $2 or so.
I am pretty sure that I wouldnt have any fees before for paying from my account.

Or maybe it was the currency actually

They will charge for currency exchange and they charge for a credit card. If it's directly from your bank with no currency exchange then there shouldn't be fees.

[Fsmdr]

Did paypal recently change something in their fees?
I made a family/friends payment of $80. I had to use $60ish from my account or visa, because I didnt have enough money on paypal.

They charged me $2 or so.
I am pretty sure that I wouldnt have any fees before for paying from my account.

Or maybe it was the currency actually

They will charge for currency exchange and they charge for a credit card. If it's directly from your bank with no currency exchange then there shouldn't be fees.

Unless it's International. Even with F&F funded with a transfer from a bank, there is still a small fee if overseas.

[herbertwest]

So would you think that it's related to FF being international, being paid from the account, or currency exchange? :)

[Fsmdr]

So would you think that it's related to FF being international, being paid from the account, or currency exchange? :)

The International fees. The currency exchange should be inclusive in the total amount converted.

[amd013]

Hi all, in another thread I mentioned I got a damaged book from ebay seller. I requested a return, and he offered a $50 partial refund. I said I wanted $75 or I would like to return it. He said, ok, and asked how we proceed. I wasn't sure. Does anyone here know what I (or he) need to do?

Thanks,
Mike

[Randall Flagg]

Have him pp you the money.

[amd013]

Ok, I didn't know if ebay needed to be in the loop since I went through the request return process.

[Randall Flagg]

Ok, I didn't know if ebay needed to be in the loop since I went through the request return process.
The burden is on him/her. Not sure how far you are in the dispute process, but if ebay approved the return and sent a shipping label, it is probably too late without actually speaking with an ebay rep, but cancelling W/O getting your $75 exposes you.

[jsweet]

Ok, I didn't know if ebay needed to be in the loop since I went through the request return process.

After you get your $75, you can just go into the Return Details and click on cancel return - but I wouldn't cancel until you get your money, just to be safe

[amd013]

Ok, I didn't know if ebay needed to be in the loop since I went through the request return process.

After you get your $75, you can just go into the Return Details and click on cancel return - but I wouldn't cancel until you get your money, just to be safe

Yeah, that's what I was thinking, but thought he might be leery of that route. Will see if he is ok with that.

[Br!an]

Hi all, in another thread I mentioned I got a damaged book from ebay seller. I requested a return, and he offered a $50 partial refund. I said I wanted $75 or I would like to return it. He said, ok, and asked how we proceed. I wasn't sure. Does anyone here know what I (or he) need to do?

Thanks,
Mike

If it went through PayPal, the seller can go to his PayPal account and click on the transaction. He can issue a partial refund there.

[TnTzDad]

Has anyone had issues with sold items being shown as unsold? Two of my auctions just ended, both with bids, but one is listed as unsold and the buyer can't pay nor can I send an invoice.

[darkseer]

That's weird, the only trouble I've ever had is when a buyer wants to cancel. I usually always agree but it takes ebay a long time to approve it. They keep asking me to send the item or waiting on
payment. :shrug:

[TnTzDad]

I called and spoke with a lady that confirmed what was on the community forum. It's a known issue that has been happening for about a month but they can't figure out why. She was able to do something on her end, refresh and it reset the auction to sold.

[darkseer]

Glad to hear they could fix it.

[herbertwest]

Sneaky bast*** :
On ebay, there was an auction still having about 24h to go.
The auctions were low, but I was planning to add a snipe just in case

The seller, who has a rating of 100% on over 6,500 items, have cancelled all bids and cancelled the auction...

[darkseer]

I've found in a lot of my auctions that is when you get the most bids, at the very last. Because lots of bidders wait to the end. :shrug:

[herbertwest]

Agreed.
There is no point showing in advance how much one is willing to pay, because that can only increase the ending price if undecided people see the bids.
Hence the use of snipers...

[amd013]

Did PayPal change its currency conversion fee. Just paid $4.99 fee to send about $200 converted to British pounds. My last transaction (3/2018 ), was for more then that, and was only $1.35 fee.

[knightmare]

I Had the fee for first time yesterday as well, I am not sure I was paying someone international or not...probably as I didn’t have the fee to pay Camelot today

[cit74]

So I need to ask peoples thoughts on this one:
Purchased a book from a UK seller (off Ebay) but through PayPal - as goods/services. Book was paid for on 24 May and reportedly shipped on 12 June. Seller used Parcelforce. I have repeatedly asked for tracking information from seller - but he claims that his partner dropped the package off and couldn't find the tracking info. Also he was unable to obtain tracking info when he "contacted" Parcelforce earlier this week. I had previously purchased a book (similar price - David Bowie signed limited) from this seller - and there were some initial screw ups using parcel force (wrong address, etc) - but that package did arrive after about two weeks - purchased earlier this year.

Here is the latest email from seller from 25 June:

Hi Chad,

I have chased them.

It should be with you shortly.

They haven’t given me a tracking number.

Sorry it is so slow.

Best,

And I have saved all emails correspondences and basically have checked in each week - to say that the book has not arrived yet, are you able to get any more information on tracking.

So - the big question: How long would you let this go on for? With PayPal goods/services I have until 20 November to make a claim (as noted on my PayPal transaction on the website) - but I would not wait that long. So any thoughts on the matter? Thanks.

[knightmare]

I don’t see why you don’t right now. They would then be forced to provide the tracking or some sort of proof. It send the message that you have lost patience, which based on your story is fair.

[WeDealInLead]

Hmm. I'd wait two more weeks until opening a claim. If they're a legitimate seller it wouldn't be in their interest to lose a repeat customer. If they really shipped the book on June 12 it's reasonable you don't have it yet.

I wouldn't rush with the claim. There's also the chance the seller might have something you want again. Your call though, and if your gut feeling is that there's something fishy going on vs. merely incompetence, open the claim.

[cit74]

Hmm. I'd wait two more weeks until opening a claim. If they're a legitimate seller it wouldn't be in their interest to lose a repeat customer. If they really shipped the book on June 12 it's reasonable you don't have it yet.

I wouldn't rush with the claim. There's also the chance the seller might have something you want again. Your call though, and if your gut feeling is that there's something fishy going on vs. merely incompetence, open the claim.

Thanks for input - my plan was to wait a month from shipping date - but still communicate once a week - to say it has not arrived and ask if any update on tracking info - being as polite as possible. plus there is a long window left for PayPal process - but 6 weeks from sale and 4 weeks from shipping seems reasonable

[Randall Flagg]

Waiting 30 days is more than reasonable on your part. Day 31 I would open a claim. It takes time for the claim process to happen, and if during that wait, the book arrives, you can always close the claim. Otherwise, you have begun the process and if it never shows, you will likely prevail. In fact, even if it shows, if they don't have tracking info or signature proof, they would be lucky that you are an honest person and don't simply deny ever receiving the item. The seller should be the one worried, not you.

[amd013]

Hmm. I'd wait two more weeks until opening a claim. If they're a legitimate seller it wouldn't be in their interest to lose a repeat customer. If they really shipped the book on June 12 it's reasonable you don't have it yet.

I wouldn't rush with the claim. There's also the chance the seller might have something you want again. Your call though, and if your gut feeling is that there's something fishy going on vs. merely incompetence, open the claim.

Thanks for input - my plan was to wait a month from shipping date - but still communicate once a week - to say it has not arrived and ask if any update on tracking info - being as polite as possible. plus there is a long window left for PayPal process - but 6 weeks from sale and 4 weeks from shipping seems reasonable

I would wait a few more weeks, since it is coming from UK. I have had at least one book or box of books, held up by customs, I think they did open it up and inspected that it was indeed a book.

[tippy4]

Hmm. I'd wait two more weeks until opening a claim. If they're a legitimate seller it wouldn't be in their interest to lose a repeat customer. If they really shipped the book on June 12 it's reasonable you don't have it yet.

I wouldn't rush with the claim. There's also the chance the seller might have something you want again. Your call though, and if your gut feeling is that there's something fishy going on vs. merely incompetence, open the claim.

Thanks for input - my plan was to wait a month from shipping date - but still communicate once a week - to say it has not arrived and ask if any update on tracking info - being as polite as possible. plus there is a long window left for PayPal process - but 6 weeks from sale and 4 weeks from shipping seems reasonable

I disagree....this whole thing seems shady.

Open the claim now......as Jerome mentions above, it takes a while for the claim to process anyhow.

Might as well get the ball rolling.

[knightmare]

Hmm. I'd wait two more weeks until opening a claim. If they're a legitimate seller it wouldn't be in their interest to lose a repeat customer. If they really shipped the book on June 12 it's reasonable you don't have it yet.

I wouldn't rush with the claim. There's also the chance the seller might have something you want again. Your call though, and if your gut feeling is that there's something fishy going on vs. merely incompetence, open the claim.

Thanks for input - my plan was to wait a month from shipping date - but still communicate once a week - to say it has not arrived and ask if any update on tracking info - being as polite as possible. plus there is a long window left for PayPal process - but 6 weeks from sale and 4 weeks from shipping seems reasonable

I disagree....this whole thing seems shady.

Open the claim now......as Jerome mentions above, it takes a while for the claim to process anyhow.

Might as well get the ball rolling.

Yep, tippy is a fellow seller and has that spidey sense of something rotten in Denmark. Nothing lost in putting in claim, if they are on the up and up they shouldn’t hold against you for having concerns.

[Fsmdr]

I did have an incident similar, also from Europe. Seller unable to provide tracking or did not ship it trackable. Filed a claim after 30 days and received a refund shortly as seller had no tracking. To my surprise, book arrived around 50 days after! No clue where it was between. I contacted the seller and told him the book did actually arrive and offered to send him funds via Paypal. So...if it does come, you can also send funds later.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

For info:
Royal Mail's parcel division is called Parcelforce. You do not automatically get a tracking number with Royal Mail. You have to ask for it and it costs extra. Maybe this person did not pay for one. The "signed for" service I use gets you a tracking number automatically, but it costs a lot more.

[The Library Policeman]

Any books I send via Airmail to USA (with tracking) are normally at their destination within 10 days.

The receipt from the Post Office the seller obtained should have had the tracking number on it (if he used a tracking service).

Get your claim in, Chad.

[cit74]

I really appreciate everyone’s input (as well as more info about parcelforce - I sent parcelforce an inquiry through customer service too). I’ll wait the 30 days from supposed shipping - and then open claim. I’ll update any progress (or delays).

I had requested tracking/signature as well - so if they decided to skip this (to pocket more money) - well then that’ll be on them.
Thanks

[Fsmdr]

Just an update guys in case you're not aware. But starting Oct 11th, Paypal will no longer give back any of the fees when you refund a transaction. In another word, the fees stays with Paypal under all circumstance.

[Br!an]

Just an update guys in case you're not aware. But starting Oct 11th, Paypal will no longer give back any of the fees when you refund a transaction. In another word, the fees stays with Paypal under all circumstance.

That actually sounds fair to me. I'm a bit surprised they ever refunded their fee since the refund doubles their involvement in the transaction.

[webstar1000]

Just an update guys in case you're not aware. But starting Oct 11th, Paypal will no longer give back any of the fees when you refund a transaction. In another word, the fees stays with Paypal under all circumstance.

That sucks for me. So many people screw up paying me in US and it’s always in CAD! Ugg

[herbertwest]

What happens if you recieve a book that is not the condition described in the auction?

The seller suggested that I return it and he'll refund me, but I am guessing that in this case I'll also lose the shipping I paid to return it?

[jsweet]

What happens if you recieve a book that is not the condition described in the auction?

The seller suggested that I return it and he'll refund me, but I am guessing that in this case I'll also lose the shipping I paid to return it?

Not sure if the same applies outside the U.S., but you should be able to file a return through eBay and they will issue you a return shipping label that the seller will be charged for.

[herbertwest]

Thanks. I opened a return request on ebay

[herbertwest]

I recently sold two of the SHINING folio signed edition.
The buyer of the first copy has only about 10+ evaluations but of 100%. Including from some autographs auctions.

Remembering the issues that David experienced, I was being caution. All communications were done by ebay messages. And I sent the book with insurance and delivered on signature. I also took a picture of the package with the shipping label and everything proving it was sent to him.
When I asked the seller if I should add a phone number to the delivery, he told me "No phone number is okay.. Send as is"
I sent the book, and gave him the tracking. As well as added it on ebay.
I later recieved a tracking notification saying that it was delivered. And sent him a message afterwards saying that it was apparently delivered and telling him to enjoy the book.

It was 4 days ago.
He never replied.
Nor left any ebay evaluation.

I made screenshots and saved the tracking saying it was delivered. In case that he contacts me in 6 months about it and complains he never recieved it.

Remembering the issues David experienced, do you think that I should worry about it?

Is there any chance that he could complain 6 months from now, maybe after the tracking is not available from their website, claiming, he never got it?
I tried to be as careful as possible and covering my ass as much as I could..... but I dont know. Something seems odd.

[The Library Policeman]

I wouldn’t worry, Jeremy. Some folks on ebay are just like that. You have all the relevant tracking/delivery info saved so all should be cool I would think.

[Randall Flagg]

I wouldn't fret at all. It sounds like you did everything properly.
Worry about Brexit, and the dissolution of the European union.

[kingfan2323]

Thanks. I opened a return request on ebayNever ever pay for return shipping on a bad description. You did the best thing just filing a return.

looking for: NOS4A2 (sub press)
Dead Zone 1st/1st, Boy's Life S/L

[herbertwest]

I wouldn't fret at all. It sounds like you did everything properly.
Worry about Brexit, and the dissolution of the European union.

Thanks all for the replies.
And @Jerome : I couldnt really care about Brexit. The only thing is that my wife is scottish. But she lived here for 10+ years. Have a work. And we did a civial partnership about 5 years ago.
Which means that technically she can apply to french citizenship.
Besides that... they have decided to leave europe. Cant do much about it. I guess that mostly, whenever the brexit will take place, they'll have to deal with the consequences

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

How did politics creep into the ebay thread?

I love ebay since they started £1 max selling fees. I have saved a large amount in fees over the last few months.

[Johnny007]

I don't know much about ebay selling practices so I ask the question how do they make money on a transaction? Do they still get a percentage of the sale? Thanks.

John

[Br!an]

I don't know much about ebay selling practices so I ask the question how do they make money on a transaction? Do they still get a percentage of the sale? Thanks.

John

It depends on what you are selling. There are various listing charges. There are also Final Value fees.

For books the seller can list up to 50 items for free. That is without any bells or whistles. If a seller has a store, then the limits are higher.

The Final Value fee for books is 12% of the total sale including shipping. There is also a $.30 plus 2.9% PayPal fee. So the seller gets ~85% of the total sale price.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

The Final Value fee for books is 12% of the total sale including shipping. There is also a $.30 plus 2.9% PayPal fee. So the seller gets ~85% of the total sale price.

In the UK the Final Value Fee I have been paying is £1.00 whatever the sale price. If the sale price was £5000 I pay £1.00

[Br!an]

The Final Value fee for books is 12% of the total sale including shipping. There is also a $.30 plus 2.9% PayPal fee. So the seller gets ~85% of the total sale price.

In the UK the Final Value Fee I have been paying is £1.00 whatever the sale price. If the sale price was £5000 I pay £1.00

That is a sweet promotion.

[Randall Flagg]

Question for ebay veterans out there. I recently sold an item (medical supply). The buyer paid promptly and I promptly sent the item to the address the buyer provided on Paypal.
The auction was a BIN, with free shipping. The cost to ship was $9.54.
The item was returned to me and the tracking said : Moved, Left no Address".

I sent the buyer a message through ebay, and have yet to hear back from them.


Besides waiting for a response, what if anything should I do, and what are my obligations if she provides a new address? I certainly don't want to eat another $10 in shipping.

[tippy4]

Besides waiting for a response....there is nothing you can/should do.

I have no doubt that the person will contact you with a new address....at which point you will ask them for another $10 for shipping.

Not your fault they moved.

[playdohman]

Question for ebay veterans out there. I recently sold an item (medical supply). The buyer paid promptly and I promptly sent the item to the address the buyer provided on Paypal.
The auction was a BIN, with free shipping. The cost to ship was $9.54.
The item was returned to me and the tracking said : Moved, Left no Address".

I sent the buyer a message through ebay, and have yet to hear back from them.


Besides waiting for a response, what if anything should I do, and what are my obligations if she provides a new address? I certainly don't want to eat another $10 in shipping.

You could refund the payment less the shipping or hold onto the items and wait for them to contact you. You fulfilled your original obligation.

[Dolan]

Guys -
Anyone ever have a Paypal issue where - when you try to send $ to someone (F&F) - and enter the total, the payment options disappear and says link card? It's asking me to enter cards and accounts that are already linked.

The amount is under $3k. And i've never had an issue before. Thoughts?

[Br!an]

Guys -
Anyone ever have a Paypal issue where - when you try to send $ to someone (F&F) - and enter the total, the payment options disappear and says link card? It's asking me to enter cards and accounts that are already linked.

The amount is under $3k. And i've never had an issue before. Thoughts?

Is your card expired? That's all I've got.

[Dolan]

Guys -
Anyone ever have a Paypal issue where - when you try to send $ to someone (F&F) - and enter the total, the payment options disappear and says link card? It's asking me to enter cards and accounts that are already linked.

The amount is under $3k. And i've never had an issue before. Thoughts?

Is your card expired? That's all I've got.

So I broke the payments up and it went through. So bizarre.

[jsweet]

Anyone had this happen before?
Sent a package through eBay last month and was just charged via PayPal for additional shipping. This was the explanation
Reason: Service printed on label didn't match service used
Shipping service on label: USPS - USPS Media Mail Package
Actual shipping service: USPS - USPS Priority Mail Flat Rate Envelope

I shipped the book in a plain brown box ...

[Randall Flagg]

That's odd. Of course try to dispute it.

[playdohman]

Anyone had this happen before?
Sent a package through eBay last month and was just charged via PayPal for additional shipping. This was the explanation
Reason: Service printed on label didn't match service used
Shipping service on label: USPS - USPS Media Mail Package
Actual shipping service: USPS - USPS Priority Mail Flat Rate Envelope

I shipped the book in a plain brown box ...

I have seen the USPS do that when shipped as Media Mail but determined upon inspection not to qualify for media mail. They then update to the next level of service which would be 1st class or priority.

[TnTzDad]

When I do have to take a box to the post office, for a private sale, the teller always says it runs the possibility of being inspected to verify it qualifies for media mail. Did you ship something along with books, that didn't qualify as media mail?

[Br!an]

Anyone had this happen before?
Sent a package through eBay last month and was just charged via PayPal for additional shipping. This was the explanation
Reason: Service printed on label didn't match service used
Shipping service on label: USPS - USPS Media Mail Package
Actual shipping service: USPS - USPS Priority Mail Flat Rate Envelope

I shipped the book in a plain brown box ...

I have seen the USPS do that when shipped as Media Mail but determined upon inspection not to qualify for media mail. They then update to the next level of service which would be 1st class or priority.

That would be my guess too. Was it a book? Magazines and slipcases don't qualify for MM.

[jsweet]

It was a stack of my kid's Level 2 reader books. I wonder if someone glanced at it and thought they were magazines?

[Br!an]

It was a stack of my kid's Level 2 reader books. I wonder if someone glanced at it and thought they were magazines?

Probably so.

Another reason they bump you up to Priority Mail is if you use any Priority Mail shipping products. A piece of cardboard, tape or shipping label that says Priority Mail is enough for them to charge you for it.

[jsweet]

It was a stack of my kid's Level 2 reader books. I wonder if someone glanced at it and thought they were magazines?

Probably so.

Another reason they bump you up to Priority Mail is if you use any Priority Mail shipping products. A piece of cardboard, tape or shipping label that says Priority Mail is enough for them to charge you for it.

New box, plain tape, books in bubble wrap and packing peanuts, that's it. Same way I send everything. Have sent hundreds of packages and never had this happen before. Just an overzealous employee would be my guess

[allasorte]

Anyone get emails from ebay about their new payment policies? Why do you need to add your social security number for this? Doesn't this seem a tad excessive to giving out information just to sell something?

[Randall Flagg]

If true, it's just one more way for the IRS to track "income".


BTW, I'd be very slow to provide my SSN to someone claiming to be from ebay.

[allasorte]

If true, it's just one more way for the IRS to track "income".


BTW, I'd be very slow to provide my SSN to someone claiming to be from ebay.

Trust me, it is weighing on my mind as to why ebay is wanting this information. I have gotten several emails from ebay, and these emails are in my messages on my account. I believe this to be real, I am hesitant as to why ebay wants to take PayPal out of the equation. I believe ebay owns PayPal.

[Randall Flagg]

What if any measures does ebay say they will implement if you don't provide the information?

[darkseer]

If true, it's just one more way for the IRS to track "income".


BTW, I'd be very slow to provide my SSN to someone claiming to be from ebay.

Trust me, it is weighing on my mind as to why ebay is wanting this information. I have gotten several emails from ebay, and these emails are in my messages on my account. I believe this to be real, I am hesitant as to why ebay wants to take PayPal out of the equation. I believe ebay owns PayPal.

I never got any messages like that. I use paypal with no trouble on ebay.

[Br!an]

I believe ebay owns PayPal.

It was announced on September 30, 2014, that eBay would spin off PayPal into a separate publicly traded company, a move demanded in 2013 by activist hedge fund magnate Carl Icahn. The spin-off was completed on July 18, 2015.[45][46][47] Dan Schulman is the current president and CEO, with former eBay CEO John Donahoe serving as chairman.[44] On January 31, 2018, eBay announced that "After the existing eBay-PayPal agreement ends in 2020, PayPal will remain a payment option for shoppers on eBay, but it won't be prominently featured ahead of debit and credit card options as it is today. PayPal will cease to process card payments for eBay at that time." The company will "instead begin working with Amsterdam-based Adyen"

[Merlin1958]

Man, IDK if it were me then it would be too bad but that would end my dealings on ebay. You just can't trust this shit online now a days. Maybe if through the mail. Out of curiousity what kind of transactions are in play here? I mean if you are solely a buyer I don't see any reason for the SSN to be involved. Even as a seller, by having your CC on file they can validate your ID for tax purposes. FWIW this is a first in my experience and I haven't seen any news or what not. I buy quite a bit on ebay and have never been asked for that info. I do not sell though.

[GenericEric]

As stated above, since they're separate now, it was only a matter of time before ebay delivered their payouts directly instead of through paypal.

ebay gets a bigger slice of the pie this way. They say sellers will save more doing it this way, but in the end I doubt it. I'm sure they'll just tack on more fees anyway.

[herbertwest]

Anyone get emails from ebay about their new payment policies? Why do you need to add your social security number for this? Doesn't this seem a tad excessive to giving out information just to sell something?

Yup - they are saying its due to a change in the way payments will be made. Instead of going through paypal funds go directly to your bank.

Why don't you contact ebay directly to ask whether it's a true request or not?
Otherwise, as Jerome as said, the only reason I can think of is tax related
I am guessing you may have sold a LOT on ebay, and that triggered something at ebay?

[RC65]

It's true. Under the new managed payments program, eBay is the legally responsible reporting party for the IRS via the 1099-K form. The threshold for 1099-K form is $20,000 via 200 transactions, but even though a seller may sell much less than that (as I have...just $600 this year), the potential exists in their mind...so because they don't want to chase a seller down after the fact, eBay requires the SSN now. I spent one hour and fifteen minutes being transferred around and discussing the issue with eBay's "customer service" (and I use those quotes intentionally) reps a week ago, and the answer is definitive: if you wish to sell on eBay and have been alerted to this requirement, you must provide your SSN to continue selling.

[Hunchback Jack]

Yeah, I'm not happy about this at all. I don't sell much on eBay, and would be fine providing them the same info I provided Paypal to enable payments. But I do not want to give them my SSN.

Not sure what I'm going to do ... find other marketplaces, I guess.

HBJ

[tippy4]

Finally signed up for Managed Payments on bay....because I was forced to.

So now, selling books on ebay costs me 14.35% of the total sale....and that total sale includes shipping and sales tax...even if ebay collects that tax on your behalf. Plus 30 cents.

Sold a book today for $129.00....shipping was $7.01....ebay collected $8.06 tax from the buyer. Buyer paid $144.07 total.

Ebay hit me for $20.97 fee (14.35% of $144.07 plus $0.30) on a $129 sale.....16.25%.

Fuckers!

[GenericEric]

That's exactly why I try to sell higher priced books off of ebay and on the facebook collectors groups.

Or lately I would come to an agreement with the buyer on ebay to do the sale off of ebay and just through PayPal instead. I did that recently with The Exorcist, The Silence of the Lambs, and CD's gift edition of IT.

Saved me hundreds of dollars. Ebay's fees are getting ridiculous.

[Cook]

Finally signed up for Managed Payments on bay....because I was forced to.

So now, selling books on ebay costs me 14.35% of the total sale....and that total sale includes shipping and sales tax...even if ebay collects that tax on your behalf. Plus 30 cents.

Sold a book today for $129.00....shipping was $7.01....ebay collected $8.06 tax from the buyer. Buyer paid $144.07 total.

Ebay hit me for $20.97 fee (14.35% of $144.07 plus $0.30) on a $129 sale.....16.25%.

Fuckers!

So what does eBay's "Managed Payments" do for you?
Thanks

[tippy4]

NOTHING

They have just taken Paypal put of the equation and raised their prices.

And to add insult to injury......in "the old days"....when I sold something and someone paid.......I could use that money immediately to buy something. Now....it sits in ebays hands for 1 to 3 days....then takes another 1-3 days to be deposited into my bank. So I cannot use that money for 2-6 days.

With one exception....I can use that money to pay for shipping labels.

[Fsmdr]

Finally signed up for Managed Payments on bay....because I was forced to.

So now, selling books on ebay costs me 14.35% of the total sale....and that total sale includes shipping and sales tax...even if ebay collects that tax on your behalf. Plus 30 cents.

Sold a book today for $129.00....shipping was $7.01....ebay collected $8.06 tax from the buyer. Buyer paid $144.07 total.

Ebay hit me for $20.97 fee (14.35% of $144.07 plus $0.30) on a $129 sale.....16.25%.

Fuckers!

and that's before PayPal fees!

[Cook]

Finally signed up for Managed Payments on bay....because I was forced to.

So now, selling books on ebay costs me 14.35% of the total sale....and that total sale includes shipping and sales tax...even if ebay collects that tax on your behalf. Plus 30 cents.

Sold a book today for $129.00....shipping was $7.01....ebay collected $8.06 tax from the buyer. Buyer paid $144.07 total.

Ebay hit me for $20.97 fee (14.35% of $144.07 plus $0.30) on a $129 sale.....16.25%.

Fuckers!

and that's before PayPal fees!

Generally, how much are paypal selling fees?

[tippy4]

Finally signed up for Managed Payments on bay....because I was forced to.

So now, selling books on ebay costs me 14.35% of the total sale....and that total sale includes shipping and sales tax...even if ebay collects that tax on your behalf. Plus 30 cents.

Sold a book today for $129.00....shipping was $7.01....ebay collected $8.06 tax from the buyer. Buyer paid $144.07 total.

Ebay hit me for $20.97 fee (14.35% of $144.07 plus $0.30) on a $129 sale.....16.25%.

Fuckers!

and that's before PayPal fees!

There are no Paypal fees on ebay transactions now.

[tippy4]

Finally signed up for Managed Payments on bay....because I was forced to.

So now, selling books on ebay costs me 14.35% of the total sale....and that total sale includes shipping and sales tax...even if ebay collects that tax on your behalf. Plus 30 cents.

Sold a book today for $129.00....shipping was $7.01....ebay collected $8.06 tax from the buyer. Buyer paid $144.07 total.

Ebay hit me for $20.97 fee (14.35% of $144.07 plus $0.30) on a $129 sale.....16.25%.

Fuckers!

and that's before PayPal fees!

Generally, how much are paypal selling fees?

Paypal fees are usually 2.9% plus 30 cents......but Paypal is no longer part of the ebay equation.

[Cook]

Finally signed up for Managed Payments on bay....because I was forced to.

So now, selling books on ebay costs me 14.35% of the total sale....and that total sale includes shipping and sales tax...even if ebay collects that tax on your behalf. Plus 30 cents.

Sold a book today for $129.00....shipping was $7.01....ebay collected $8.06 tax from the buyer. Buyer paid $144.07 total.

Ebay hit me for $20.97 fee (14.35% of $144.07 plus $0.30) on a $129 sale.....16.25%.

Fuckers!

and that's before PayPal fees!

Generally, how much are paypal selling fees?

Paypal fees are usually 2.9% plus 30 cents......but Paypal is no longer part of the ebay equation.

Thank you both for the help.. good to know.

[tippy4]

Finally signed up for Managed Payments on bay....because I was forced to.

So now, selling books on ebay costs me 14.35% of the total sale....and that total sale includes shipping and sales tax...even if ebay collects that tax on your behalf. Plus 30 cents.

Sold a book today for $129.00....shipping was $7.01....ebay collected $8.06 tax from the buyer. Buyer paid $144.07 total.

Ebay hit me for $20.97 fee (14.35% of $144.07 plus $0.30) on a $129 sale.....16.25%.

Fuckers!

and that's before PayPal fees!

Generally, how much are paypal selling fees?

Paypal fees are usually 2.9% plus 30 cents......but Paypal is no longer part of the ebay equation.

Thank you both for the help.. good to know.

Let me clarify....buyers can pay with Paypal.....but as far as sellers go.....there is no Paypal in the equation for them now.

The buyer's money goes from Paypal, to ebay, to the seller.

[averagegatsby]

That's exactly why I try to sell higher priced books off of ebay and on the facebook collectors groups.

Or lately I would come to an agreement with the buyer on ebay to do the sale off of ebay and just through PayPal instead. I did that recently with The Exorcist, The Silence of the Lambs, and CD's gift edition of IT.

Saved me hundreds of dollars. Ebay's fees are getting ridiculous.

Provided it's not against the rules of this forum, are you able to share the facebook collectors groups?

[webstar1000]

Hey I sold something on eBay. It was $1350 shipped but eBay only
Took $53 on the PayPal invoice. I know before I’d get an invoice later at the end of the month.... but I hear that’s changed? It seems like a small amount. Anyone help me here?

[JeremyM]

Sounds like your account hasn't been moved to the managed payments scheme yet.

As you noted, that's just the payment processing fee - expect to get an invoice for the final value fee at the end of the month, which is 12% on books, so another $162.

[Br!an]

That's almost 16% in fees. Doesn't seem totally out of line to me with 15% being fairly standard. Still a little high.

[herbertwest]

I've read that Paypal is taking off fees for their offer of credit, paying in 4 times

[DoctorZaius]

any advice on handling 1099-K for ebay sales?

[Randall Flagg]

any advice on handling 1099-K for ebay sales?
Report the net income. Just because you were issued a 1099-K doesn't mean that it all was 100% profit.

[Br!an]

any advice on handling 1099-K for ebay sales?
Report the net income. Just because you were issued a 1099-K doesn't mean that it all was 100% profit.

:thumbsup:

[DoctorZaius]

any advice on handling 1099-K for ebay sales?
Report the net income. Just because you were issued a 1099-K doesn't mean that it all was 100% profit.

:thumbsup:

Thanks, and thanks.

[herbertwest]

That's a subject that interest me. I am not sure of what precisely is the 1099-k
But how do you justify a net income if there is a control?

Wont they have access to the sale, and consider someone should declare the gross income?
And what does a "net income" means for a declaration? Sale minus shipping minus purchase cost? But can the purchase cost really be deducted for an individual and not a company?

[Randall Flagg]

For the purposes of ebay, anyone who sells 200 or more items on ebay for a combined total of $20,000 or more will be issued a 1099-K.


Understanding your form 1099-K (https://www.irs.gov/businesses/understanding-your-form-1099-k)

[JeremyM]

Starting in 2022, the threshold for 3rd party payment processors to issue a 1099-K will be reduced to $600, with no min number of transaction. Section 9674 of the recent stimulus bill included this provision. This includes paypal, venmo, etc as well - though should not apply to F&F transactions (but who knows how paypal, etc will actually report).

[Randall Flagg]

Ouch

[Kingfan24]

Starting in 2022, the threshold for 3rd party payment processors to issue a 1099-K will be reduced to $600, with no min number of transaction. Section 9674 of the recent stimulus bill included this provision. This includes paypal, venmo, etc as well - though should not apply to F&F transactions (but who knows how paypal, etc will actually report).

Holy shit.

[herbertwest]

For the purposes of ebay, anyone who sells 200 or more items on ebay for a combined total of $20,000 or more will be issued a 1099-K.


Understanding your form 1099-K (https://www.irs.gov/businesses/understanding-your-form-1099-k)

Interesting.
In France, if i remember correctly the emails of ebay, they have to declare to the local IRS if someone sells 20 or more items or a value of 3k

[billstand]

Interesting view on it from a seller point of view (replace 'magic cards' with 'books')

https://www.quietspeculation.com/2021/04/section-9674-how-the-stimulus-bill-will-impact-your-online-magic-card-sales/

[Kingfan24]

Interesting view on it from a seller point of view (replace 'magic cards' with 'books')

https://www.quietspeculation.com/2021/04/section-9674-how-the-stimulus-bill-will-impact-your-online-magic-card-sales/

I mean it effectively ends any motivation I have of selling out of my collection for anything other than cash.

[Fsmdr]

Interesting view on it from a seller point of view (replace 'magic cards' with 'books')

https://www.quietspeculation.com/2021/04/section-9674-how-the-stimulus-bill-will-impact-your-online-magic-card-sales/

I mean it effectively ends any motivation I have of selling out of my collection for anything other than cash.

Or sending each other the ol' check in the mail!

[Randall Flagg]

True.

[RC65]

Interesting view on it from a seller point of view (replace 'magic cards' with 'books')

https://www.quietspeculation.com/2021/04/section-9674-how-the-stimulus-bill-will-impact-your-online-magic-card-sales/

I mean it effectively ends any motivation I have of selling out of my collection for anything other than cash.

I’m inclined to agree. I started selling more aggressively on eBay last year and this year to try and winnow the collection down a bit, but that appears to be coming to an end next year with this new law. Taxation on profit aside, the burden of establishing profit and loss and history of purchase, etc. is far more than I have the time and interest to take on.

It’ll be curious to see how this affects book values, by presumably diminishing availability of product.

[Kingfan24]

Interesting view on it from a seller point of view (replace 'magic cards' with 'books')

https://www.quietspeculation.com/2021/04/section-9674-how-the-stimulus-bill-will-impact-your-online-magic-card-sales/

I mean it effectively ends any motivation I have of selling out of my collection for anything other than cash.

I’m inclined to agree. I started selling more aggressively on eBay last year and this year to try and winnow the collection down a bit, but that appears to be coming to an end next year with this new law. Taxation on profit aside, the burden of establishing profit and loss and history of purchase, etc. is far more than I have the time and interest to take on.

It’ll be curious to see how this affects book values, by presumably diminishing availability of product.

I’ve been reading some of the coin collecting forums and they are really concerned about what this is going to do to the hobby.

[amd013]

Does this have any impact on selling via consignment? Can you get around it by selling that way?

[Kingfan24]

Does this have any impact on selling via consignment? Can you get around it by selling that way?

I mean technically no because you are still making the money but it’s harder to trace I guess. Using any of the payment apps is going to become impossible. They are going to start tracking every penny to ensure compliance.

[Lookwhoitis]

time for crypto! :clap: :thumbsup:

[Br!an]

That's a subject that interest me. I am not sure of what precisely is the 1099-k
But how do you justify a net income if there is a control?

Wont they have access to the sale, and consider someone should declare the gross income?
And what does a "net income" means for a declaration? Sale minus shipping minus purchase cost? But can the purchase cost really be deducted for an individual and not a company?

That is the beauty of the US tax system.

It's vague.

Gross income minus deductions equals net income.

So the way it works now is that if you sell over $20000 worth of stuff, the IRS would like to know how much of that was profit and receive the taxes due.

Remember, you only have to pay taxes on the profit after deductions. Those deductions include expenses and a variety of other things.


The "variety of other things" is the key to not paying a lot in taxes.

Taxes in the US are self reported. We are all supposed to pay the taxes we owe. The 1099 doesn't change that. It just sends an alert to the IRS that might be better left unmentioned.

[JeremyM]

time for crypto! :clap: :thumbsup:

Not sure I want to be paid in a wildly volatile 'currency' that is under a ton of government/IRS scrutiny. It's all great until you have to turn it into fiat and then you're either paying the taxes or taking enough of a hit on the spread that you might as well do.

Reminds me of a line out of Gibson's 'Count Zero'

"this fact was a grim and accepted constant for the Wig, like death or taxes" ... "(he didn't file, although he paid a Singapore money laundry a yearly percentage that was roughly equivalent to the income tax he would have been required to pay if he'd declared his gross)."

Not to get way too far off track, but the IRS also makes a distinction between business income and hobby income. You get to pay the taxes either way, but you don't get to claim deductions on a hobby - which means you're not able to deduct the eBay fees to help offset the income. Funny how that works.

[Rahfa]

Not to get way too far off track, but the IRS also makes a distinction between business income and hobby income. You get to pay the taxes either way, but you don't get to claim deductions on a hobby - which means you're not able to deduct the eBay fees to help offset the income. Funny how that works.

The ebay fees are part of the profit/loss, not a deduction - so you deduct them from the profit.

Item = Bought for $100
Sold for $200
Ebay Fees = $30
Shipping= $10
Profit reported and taxed = $60

The hard part is the accounting - because we'd get a 1099-K with $10,000 on it, let's say, but if we report profit of $50, the IRS might (or might not) ask us to prove that we had $9950 invested in what we sold. If we can't show some sort of documentation for the original cost of the items, THEN we could get in trouble.

But as long as we can show the original cost of an item, it's fine - we only pay taxes on the true profit of the item, not the selling price. In the real world, if you get a 1099-K that shows $10,000 and you pay taxes on $2500 profit, I don't personally think that would raise a red flag.

But of course the documentation is the hassle that makes it a pain and makes it less of a hobby than it was before...

It's also important to remember that this IS a hobby, because if we call it a business, we pay self-employment and social security. The fact that it's a hobby will save us tax money for the most part. (determining whether it is hobby income takes a series of steps that most of us here would fit under)

(but let's remember that this profit was *always* taxable income. If you weren't paying tax on ebay sales that brought profit, that was and is tax evasion.. this is just the gov't finally wanting their nickels and dimes...sorry/not sorry.)

[herbertwest]

Recieved an email from ebay, telling me that from today onwards i NEED TO link my bank account to my profile, otherwise I cannot sell anything anymore.
The argument is that this way I get the money directly and save paypal fees, but I remember some members saying earlier that it ends up costing more fees in the end... but have to, in order to sell on ebay.

(Or maybe it's not true and just a way to push users to activate this)

[Curly]

It's true. If you want to sell on eBay you have to link to a bank account.

[Kingfan24]

Recieved an email from ebay, telling me that from today onwards i NEED TO link my bank account to my profile, otherwise I cannot sell anything anymore.
The argument is that this way I get the money directly and save paypal fees, but I remember some members saying earlier that it ends up costing more fees in the end... but have to, in order to sell on ebay.

(Or maybe it's not true and just a way to push users to activate this)

No chance would I EVER give eBay my banking info.

[ur2ndbiggestfan]

I just called my banker about this, and she suggested opening another checking account to deal exclusively with E-Bay.
Which I did.
Which led to total confusion.
However, I clicked on CALL ME, E-Bay called within ten seconds, and we straightened the whole thing out in about 7 minutes.
Now, to see if it works. I have an auction that just ended, the money for it should go into my new account, BUT, it may take 2 days to get there. That's what bugs me.
At least this way, E-Bay has no access to any of my other bank accounts.
PayPal had access to my bank account for over 20 years, was owned by E-Bay, and I never had a single problem with Pay-Pal, so I am not too worried.