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ATG
01-30-2008, 05:42 PM
I believe that Roland was Jakes true father, despite his ' parents ' in the story.
He even called him Father.

Eddie was Cuthbert. On some level of the Tower Roland has a son, and his name is Jack Sawyer, aka Jake Chambers.

Wuducynn
01-30-2008, 05:46 PM
I believe that Roland was Rolands true father.

Yeah, I'm all for the idea of Roland being Roland's true father. It makes sense.

ATG
01-30-2008, 05:47 PM
Oh wow, fixed.

Error in title too, shit.
Ban me. You'll be doing the site a favor. ( hic )

jayson
01-30-2008, 05:48 PM
You had me until Jake is Jack. I believe them to be two completely separate entities, characters, people, whatever. As for the poll question, I don't know how to answer it. I think all of the Tet considered Roland their "true" father in some way, I at least remember Eddie and Jake saying so. What this means I am not sure. I don't think it means there are other versions of them on other levels that have another Roland as their father. I don't think there is another Roland. I'd say "yes" he is Jake's metaphorical true father in that he provided him a truer love than Elmer Chambers, but Elmer Chambers is his father nonetheless.

EDIT: btw, you may want to fix "Roalnds" name up there in the poll ;)

Wuducynn
01-30-2008, 05:49 PM
Damn, and I thought you were getting deep and mystical! Yes, to me Roland was Jake's true father.

ATG
01-30-2008, 05:50 PM
Jack/Jake.

C'mon.

Wuducynn
01-30-2008, 05:50 PM
Jake = Jack though? Interesting thought..I'll have to mull that one over.

jayson
01-30-2008, 05:51 PM
Yes, they are similar names. That's the truth. I'm not sure that's compelling enough evidence for them being the same "person." what else you got?

Wuducynn
01-30-2008, 05:53 PM
Well that Jack might be Jake's twinner. I've never thought of that before.

jayson
01-30-2008, 05:54 PM
it's intriguing theory for sure, i'd like to hear more about it...

ATG
01-30-2008, 05:56 PM
Yes, they are similar names. That's the truth. I'm not sure that's compelling enough evidence for them being the same "person." what else you got?


Sai King and I are linked via telepathy.

He didn't know it, but he was channeling my past lives when he wrote the DT.

I intend to go to where he lives and take this up over wine him him.














kidding.







http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=1813

Daghain
01-30-2008, 07:59 PM
I believe Roland was Jake's true father. I said it somewhere else, but he was a better parent to that kid than his biological parents ever were.

Not too sure about the Jack/Jake connection thought. :)

ATG
01-30-2008, 08:06 PM
Both are boys. And warriors.
The fate of worlds hinge on their actions.

Wuducynn
01-30-2008, 08:08 PM
They both have first names that begin with 'J'

Daghain
01-30-2008, 08:26 PM
And the earth is round. So? :lol:

Still not convinced. :)

ATG
01-30-2008, 08:52 PM
And the earth is round. So? :lol:

Still not convinced. :)


It's actually sorta egg shaped.

/win.

Wuducynn
01-30-2008, 09:01 PM
While it is an interesting idea, I'm not convinced either.

Letti
01-30-2008, 11:41 PM
It depends on what you mean by father and true father. Yes, Roland was Jake's true father but not his genetical father.

Jean
01-31-2008, 12:54 AM
It depends on what you mean by father and true father. Yes, Roland was Jake's true father but not his genetical father.
::nods::

Mattrick
01-31-2008, 01:16 AM
They just held Roland in high respects. Roland guided them and instructed them and helped them be better people. That's all I ever seen father as, just a sign of the utmost respect.

Darkthoughts
01-31-2008, 04:10 AM
Jake = Jack is not cutting it for me either. King has many young/adolescent boys as heroes of his storys, I think it says more about King's fondness for childhood than it does for correlations between characters.

jayson
01-31-2008, 04:16 AM
and maybe Wolf is Oy. Think about it. Both furry. Both talk. That's proof, right? :lol:

Mattrick
01-31-2008, 04:29 AM
Jake = Jack is not cutting it for me either. King has many young/adolescent boys as heroes of his storys, I think it says more about King's fondness for childhood than it does for correlations between characters.

Or maybe King loves getting inside little boys.....heads. Oh, you thought I was making him out to be like Michael Jackson! You all got dirty minds. :cool:

Darkthoughts
01-31-2008, 04:32 AM
I was trying to be careful how I worded that :lol:

ManOfWesternesse
01-31-2008, 05:27 AM
Voted "No".
And Jake = Jack? - I dont think so.
and...

and maybe Wolf is Oy. Think about it. Both furry. Both talk. That's proof, right? :lol:

:lol:

Storyslinger
01-31-2008, 08:05 AM
I only think Jake is Roland's son, not the part about Jake=Jack.

Daghain
01-31-2008, 10:03 AM
Actually, I think that made his case a little stronger. :lol:

Wuducynn
01-31-2008, 10:13 AM
Actually, I think that made his case a little stronger. :lol:


What do you mean, Daghina?

Daghain
01-31-2008, 10:39 AM
Sorry, I was replying to this post:


Voted "No".
And Jake = Jack? - I dont think so.
and...

and maybe Wolf is Oy. Think about it. Both furry. Both talk. That's proof, right? :lol:

:lol:

LadyHitchhiker
02-04-2008, 03:49 PM
I voted that he was Roland's son... I totally believe in adoption so yes.

HanzouNorak
02-04-2008, 07:31 PM
he was his adopted son, in my opinion

the question is vague, but i answered no because hes not blood related.

Arthur Heath
02-04-2008, 07:46 PM
I cant believe anyone would vote no in this poll. Yes, Roland is not Jakes biological father. A father is a person who cares for a child day in and day out. And though Rolands relationship with the boy is much shorter than Jakes biological dad he showed much more care and respect day in and day out than Jakes coke head work addicted dad. If Jake himself calls Roland his father then thats the end of story.

Jean
02-04-2008, 11:49 PM
I cant believe anyone would vote no in this poll. Yes, Roland is not Jakes biological father. A father is a person who cares for a child day in and day out. And though Rolands relationship with the boy is much shorter than Jakes biological dad he showed much more care and respect day in and day out than Jakes coke head work addicted dad. If Jake himself calls Roland his father then thats the end of story.
but, if we understand the word "father" in this sense, isn't the answer obvious and the question pointless?

Letti
02-05-2008, 01:32 AM
Anyway Eddie called him father, too.

sarah
02-05-2008, 09:08 AM
I believe that Roland was Jakes true father, despite his ' parents ' in the story.
He even called him Father.

Yes even more than Roland was his Dinh, I believe that Roland was his true father.

I think the love that they have for each other would be of a true father and son.

ATG
02-05-2008, 09:37 AM
And if the quest is an endless loop, on some level of the Tower this could be so.

And all forum topics are basically useless.

Letti
02-05-2008, 09:48 AM
And all forum topics are basically useless.
*shivers*
No way, sir. No way. :)

HanzouNorak
02-05-2008, 09:51 AM
like said before, the question is vague, it took me 30 min to decide what the hell to vote.

Brice
02-05-2008, 10:02 AM
And all forum topics are basically useless.

:o Blasphemy! Take it back. :shoot: