Remakes

[Jimmy]

From Yahoo :


"Nightmare" to haunt big screen again

By Borys Kit Tue Jan 29, 8:50 PM ET

LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - Freddy's back. Again.

New Line is in talks with horror production company Platinum Dunes to re-launch the "Nightmare on Elm Street" movie series, the franchise that helped establish the studio.

The first "Nightmare" movie was made by Wes Craven and released in 1984. The runaway success of the film spawned a slew of sequels and created one of the most popular villains in screen history, Freddy Krueger, played by Robert Englund.

The film centered on Krueger, a serial child killer murdered by angry parents, who returns with a burned face and a razor glove to terrorize teens in their dreams.

A screenwriter will be hired once the Writers Guild of America strike ends. The producers -- Michael Bay, Brad Fuller and Andrew Form -- are hoping to focus part of the new movie on Krueger's backstory.

Platinum Dunes is prepping another re-launch, "Friday the 13th," which will be directed by Marcus Nispel for New Line, for whom it remade "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" and its sequel.

The company is remaking "Near Dark" for Rogue and "The Birds" for Universal. It is also prepping a non-remake project, an untitled David Goyer thriller.

Reuters/Hollywood Reporter

I wish I had a fedora like Freddy's, so I could vomit into it and send it to Michael Bay and Marcus Nispel.

Remaking The Birds and Near Dark too... yay for originality.

I really need to get 5000 Beam Bucks so I can make my member title "The Bearer of Bad News." :lol:

[fernandito]

I think there's also a Friday the 13th remake in the works.


vomit x2

[Jimmy]

I think there's also a Friday the 13th remake in the works.


vomit x2

How much you want to bet that Jason's mom is cut out and he gets the hockey mask on day one?

YAWN!

I'd like to see Japan start remaking our horror movies for a change. It'd be cool to see some fucked up insane Japanese Freddy Krueger mayhem.

[Aaron]

This might suck...or it might be decent. I just always remember that the one saving grace for any film or series that's being remade is that the originals will never die and will always be available.

[Odetta]

I'm really disappointed that any Alfred Hitchcock would be remade... The Birds is my all-time fave and I can't imagine it any other way!

THAT being said, leave Freddy alone as well!

[Jimmy]

A Michael Bay produced remake of The Birds will have exploding birds.

You heard it here first.

[Aaron]

A Michael Bay produced remake of The Birds will have exploding birds.

You heard it here first.

Not to mention either Nicolas Cage or Jamie Foxx with their shirt off for most of the movie. I call this the Bruckheimer Gay Porn Paradigm. Michael Bay was a quick learner.

[Jimmy]

A Michael Bay produced remake of The Birds will have exploding birds.

You heard it here first.

Not to mention either Nicolas Cage or Jamie Foxx with their shirt off for most of the movie. I call this the Bruckheimer Gay Porn Paradigm. Michael Bay was a quick learner.

I'm looking forward to the action hero doing something heroic and action-packed and saying "I'm giving you the bird!"

[Odetta]

A Michael Bay produced remake of The Birds will have exploding birds.

You heard it here first.

Not to mention either Nicolas Cage or Jamie Foxx with their shirt off for most of the movie. I call this the Bruckheimer Gay Porn Paradigm. Michael Bay was a quick learner.

I'm looking forward to the action hero doing something heroic and action-packed and saying "I'm giving you the bird!"

STOP IT! ALL OF YOU, JUST STOP!!!!




(mainly because of how likely this could happen)

[Jimmy]

STOP IT! ALL OF YOU, JUST STOP!!!!

(mainly because of how likely this could happen)

The action hero squashes a rabid chicken under his bootheel and says, "Who's fowl now, motherf*cker?"

[Heather19]

Oh no! I really hope that's not true about The Birds. Why would you even what to remake a Hitchcock film, it won't even compare. Remember what happened with Psycho.

[jayson]

Why would you even what to remake a Hitchcock film, it won't even compare.

exactly!! i've never been a fan of "cover movies" but covering hitchcock? that's just not right. get yer own damn movie!

[Malficeus]

lol wow and yes these are asll going to suck like that last micheal movie or freddie vs jason wtf was the point?

[fernandito]

wtf was the point?

To milk the $ cow.

[Odetta]

well, they won't be getting my $$$.
I haven't seen the remakes of... THe Fog, The Hitcher, Halloween... I don't plan on seeing these either

[jayson]

well, they won't be getting my $$$.
I haven't seen the remakes of... THe Fog, The Hitcher, Halloween... I don't plan on seeing these either

same, if anything, i will rent the originals the night the remakes open just to make a personal protest!

[Odetta]

well, they won't be getting my $$$.
I haven't seen the remakes of... THe Fog, The Hitcher, Halloween... I don't plan on seeing these either

same, if anything, i will rent the originals the night the remakes open just to make a personal protest!

oooh! Good idea!

[jayson]

well, they won't be getting my $$$.
I haven't seen the remakes of... THe Fog, The Hitcher, Halloween... I don't plan on seeing these either

same, if anything, i will rent the originals the night the remakes open just to make a personal protest!

oooh! Good idea!

well, if you do it too they will see two countries in protest :lol:

[Odetta]

well, they won't be getting my $$$.
I haven't seen the remakes of... THe Fog, The Hitcher, Halloween... I don't plan on seeing these either

same, if anything, i will rent the originals the night the remakes open just to make a personal protest!

oooh! Good idea!

well, if you do it too they will see two countries in protest :lol:

I'm on it!

[jayson]

O and I are forming the Canadian/American Alliance Against Shitty Remakes!

[Odetta]

O and I are forming the Canadian/American Alliance Against Shitty Remakes!

Please sign up and join our coalition!




*membership fee is $25 - which will be used for beer and popcorn*

[jayson]

Better acronyms welcome!

[Malficeus]

im in but can i just donate the popcorm

[jayson]

Sure thing Malficeus!
:thumbsup:

[Mattrick]

I should be writing/directing this. Would make it some freaky shit. Screw Freddy being comical, that is the old Freddy. The new one should be one evil mother fucker and there should be some creepy nightmares for him to kill in. Take the boiler room to the max.

If it's anything like Halloween then I'm sad already. I can deal with Jason (never liked him) and Michael Myers being messed with by not Freddy! NOT FREDDY!

[fernandito]

not Freddy! NOT FREDDY!

HE CAN'T COME BACK, IF NO ONE'S AFRAI-EE-AIIIIDDD!!

[Odetta]

I'M afraid.... of what they're gonna do to him!

[Jimmy]

Since Michael Bay's producing it, Freddy will probably not be wearing a shirt, have an 8 pack of abs and be wearing 2 razor gloves. He might possibly also have emo hair.

[Malficeus]

grr transformers was ok but i think someone else could had probably gotten it better

[Mattrick]

What happened to Michael Bay being involved with movies like The Rock :(


with make up today and a high budget, this movie could seriously make Freddy look evil and twisted. Robert Englund IS Freddy but I sure wouldn't be opposed to a new Freddy, if they fit the role.

Willem Dafoe could do it. I just know he could.

[Odetta]

Why can't people come up with their OWN IDEAS? Why so many remakes????

[Mattrick]

I've got no problem with remakes if they take it in their own direction and make it their own. Batman to Batman Begins and Rob Zombies Halloween. I didn't like Zombie's movie but at least he tried to bring something new to the table. then you have remakes like 'The Omen' which are almost shot for shot.

[jayson]

Why can't people come up with their OWN IDEAS? Why so many remakes????

It's easier to just adapt/update someone else's work than come up with your own idea. A lot of it goes under the concept of "well, with today's technology it could be so much better" but that's bullshit. There is more to film than high-tech. Some of it is part of the fake nostalgia craze. More bullshit. My memory works just fine, I don't need cover movies.

[CyberGhostface]

Turns out Robert Englund isn't playing Freddy this time...

[Odetta]

of course not... one more reason it'll be stupid

[fernandito]

I heard about that. Of course the studio tried to calm the outcries by saying that they had Englund's "blessing" in finding a new actor to replace him.

[Brice]

Even if they truly did. Sorry...Robert Englund IS Freddy Krueger. His blessing isn't enough. He should do the movie or they should not.

[Mattrick]

You forget that 15 years have passed since the last movie was made and 30 since the original. Robert Englund has to be in his sixties now. I just couldn't take Freddy Kruger seriously as a geriatric, but perhaps that's just me. Robert Englund is awesome, but there are times when you have to hang it up, both as an actor and as a fan of an actor/role. This is why Hulk Hogan, somehow, still makes millions and has a massive fan base.

If they find the right actor, with the right look, I can see it being good. I think it would be awesome to see Johnny Depp be Freddy after getting a start in Nightmare on Elm Street. The role is right up his alley.

[Odetta]

You forget that 15 years have passed since the last movie was made and 30 since the original. Robert Englund has to be in his sixties now. I just couldn't take Freddy Kruger seriously as a geriatric, but perhaps that's just me. Robert Englund is awesome, but there are times when you have to hang it up, both as an actor and as a fan of an actor/role.

This is precisely why it shouldn't be done.

[jayson]

This is precisely why it shouldn't be done.

exactly. nothing is sacred, not a story, not a role someone made famous, nothing. eventually, it will ALL be remade, and the day someone remakes Citizen Kane or Dr. Strangelove is the day I am going to do a little gunslinging in Hollywood.

[Brice]

agreed

[Míchéal]

i'll back you up...couple of rocket launchers and its all good...

[jayson]

cool i feel that ka-tet assembling nicely.

[Mattrick]

This is precisely why it shouldn't be done.

Rob Zombie is why Halloween shouldn't have been redone but that didn't stop Hollywood.

Shakespheare has been redone and reimaged hundreds of times. Dickens has, Twain, Stroker... The remaking Nightmare On Elm Street should be the least of your 'sabotaging classics' bandwagon worries.

[Odetta]

This is precisely why it shouldn't be done.

Rob Zombie is why Halloween shouldn't have been redone but that didn't stop Hollywood.

Shakespheare has been redone and reimaged hundreds of times. Dickens has, Twain, Stroker... The remaking Nightmare On Elm Street should be the least of your 'sabotaging classics' bandwagon worries.

They ALL piss me off, sir.

[jayson]

Shakespheare has been redone and reimaged hundreds of times. Dickens has, Twain, Stroker... The remaking Nightmare On Elm Street should be the least of your 'sabotaging classics' bandwagon worries.

Yeah but let's look at it in context. Elm St. started as a movie and is being redone as a movie. Dickens or Twain stories start as books. The movies made from them are re-imaged yes, but not in the same form. If someone re-wrote Tom Sawyer, yes, that'd be the same thing as this, a cover in the same medium. Also, it's Stoker, not Stroker. Huh huh, you said "stroker".

[Odetta]

:lol:

[Voltare]

if you've never seen the original psycho, then the remake ain't half bad.

Cape fear, the re-make, is much much better than the original, due to the insane robert deniro character.

I remember the original hobbit, the cartoon.Loved it.Still do.


A list of films never to be re-made :

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.
Oliver! the musical.
Citizen Kane.
Vertigo.
Rebecca.
Blazing Saddles.
A Clockwork Orange.
Soylent Green.


I think we need to get some sort of list together....some sort of petition going somehow.

[Heather19]

if you've never seen the original psycho, then the remake ain't half bad.

I don't know, I think I disagree. I just did not find Anne Heche believable in that role. I could not imagine her causing Norman Bates to go crazy. Had someone else been cast, then I think it could have been alot better.

I also agree with some of your movies to not remake. Vertigo, Citizen Kane, Clockwork Orange. The remakes would never do them justice. And I too would add on Hitchock's version of Rebecca, but I'm pretty sure there's more versions out there. I was just having this conversation with a friend of mine at lunch today.

[Mattrick]

if you've never seen the original psycho, then the remake ain't half bad.

Cape fear, the re-make, is much much better than the original, due to the insane robert deniro character.

I remember the original hobbit, the cartoon.Loved it.Still do.


A list of films never to be re-made :

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.
Oliver! the musical.
Citizen Kane.
Vertigo.
Rebecca.
Blazing Saddles.
A Clockwork Orange.
Soylent Green.


I think we need to get some sort of list together....some sort of petition going somehow.

Rear Window was remade...

twice

[citiesburnred]

So I've heard there's an Evil Dead remake being made set for 2009 (according to IMDB) I also heard that this one is not going to have an Ash which really confuses me. How can you have The Evil Dead without an Ash? of course I wouldn't want anyone other then Campbell to play Ash but still....:orely:

what do you guys think?

[razz]

a remake without Ash?
how does that work?

[sarah]

horsepiss!

I won't see it on principle.

[citiesburnred]

I've heard since Ash is so closely connected to Campbell that they didn't want to cast another character to play him and are doing some strange thing focusing on the friends or some shit. Honestly I think it's stupid and couldn't be a remake without Ash...maybe a prequel if they want to keep out Ash focusing on the professor (forgot his name) translating and his wife turning and such...but still remake with no Ash:nope:

[razz]

won't be good or funny at all, will it?

[citiesburnred]

probably not

Just saw something that suggested a possible female lead for the remake....

[Oy the Brave]

I will never see such an abomination. There is no Evil Dead Series w/o Ash. Rediculous!

[HanzouNorak]

thats it, i offically dub 2009-

The Year Of Unneeded Remakes

[Woofer]

Don't forget they're remaking Hellraiser, too. And Doug Bradley won't be playing Pinhead.

Personally, I refuse to acknowledge either the ED or Hellraiser remakes. Wait, I just did. *bursts into flames*

[LadyHitchhiker]

Bruce Campbell's a foxy man!!!

[lophophoras]

No Ash? That's odd. Why call it a remake then? Just call it Evil Dead 5 or 6 (whatever number it would be).

:nope:

[Woofer]

Bruce Campbell's a foxy man!!!

Oooo, that he is. I just finished Make Love the Bruce Campbell Way. Rawr!

Here's a Solstice shrubbery we made for a fellow Bruce and ED fan:
http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/562/solstice_shrubbery.JPG

[Odetta]

NOOOO! Not my precious Evil Dead! Leave it alone and come up with your own freaking ideas.

NO MORE REMAKES!!!!


(i heart bruce)

[jayson]

Here's a Solstice shrubbery we made for a fellow Bruce and ED fan:
http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/562/solstice_shrubbery.JPG

That's freakin' cool!


NOOOO! Not my precious Evil Dead! Leave it alone and come up with your own freaking ideas.


Couldn't agree more.

[fernandito]

What makes it worse is that Sam Raimi will be the one helming this remake.


Remaking your own movies? :orely:

[Rider_of_Discordia]

It is one of those movies that is of such quality that a remake isn't required. A remake without Bruce Campbell is doubly unrequired. Afterall EVIL DEAD 2 was really just a remake of Evil Dead with a budget anyway! Mmmmmmmm..

New Hellraiser movie without Doug Bradley?? Insanity!

Next we will be discussing making a PHANTASM movie without The Tall Man!!

"BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOY!"

[razz]

you know, if Bruce were younger he might have made a good Eddie Dean.
*covershead,waitsforbeating*

[LadyHitchhiker]

I feel all squirmy and squishy inside when I see the Bruce Campbell Old Spice commercials..

[Odetta]

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/3128/brucecampbelloy6.jpg

[razz]

yeah, that seems Eddie-ish.

[Woofer]

Here's a Solstice shrubbery we made for a fellow Bruce and ED fan:
http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/562/solstice_shrubbery.JPG

That's freakin' cool!


NOOOO! Not my precious Evil Dead! Leave it alone and come up with your own freaking ideas.


Couldn't agree more.

Thanks, R_of_G. She loved it. She is the friend who is still reading DT 7. It's hard to believe that she rushed through 1-6 but is now stalled on 7. But I digress. At any rate... er, no ED remake!

Yes, I left the picture in for more Bruce Campbell as Ash action figure goodness. Can a thread really have too much of that? Hmmmm? I didn't think so.


What makes it worse is that Sam Raimi will be the one helming this remake.


Remaking your own movies? :orely:

Yeah! I'm looking at YOU, George Lucas. Although, he didn't remake all of Star Wars just parts of it. And added stuff.


you know, if Bruce were younger he might have made a good Eddie Dean.
*covershead,waitsforbeating*

No beatings! Young Bruce Campbell has been suggested as Eddie before - at least once by me. :D

[razz]

No beatings! Young Bruce Campbell has been suggested as Eddie before - at least once by me. :D
very good then thanks for that

[citiesburnred]

gotta say the more I think about an Evil Dead with no Campbell let alone no Ash..well first it's the evil dead anymore next who with any true respect for the original would be excited for such a load of shit? yeah..this just shouldn't be done

[Woofer]

Rocky Horror movie to be remade

Cult musical film The Rocky Horror Picture Show is to be remade 33 years after it was first released, it has been announced.

Rest of the article here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7558091.stm).

Mods, I know this'll be merged with the current RHPS thread, but I felt it needed to stand out a bit first. Horrible, horrible news for fans of the original. I am heartbroken. Don't muck with my RHPS.

[jayson]

I agree Woofer that this is a terrible idea but it doesn't surprise me in the least. The film industry is completely out of ideas. Everything now is either a sequel of a sequel of another sequel or a remake of an older film/tv show/commercial. It's why I prefer music.

[B Rag]

:scared: Remake?! It's perfect already, they don't need a remake!
At least Richard O'Brien is still involved, though...

[herbertwest]

remake of this classic?

wont never be as great as the original...

$$$$$$$$$ money talks $$$$$$$$

[William50]

remake of this classic?

wont never be as great as the original...

$$$$$$$$$ money talks $$$$$$$$

I agree, I don't think they should make another. :nope:

[Brice]

Dear GOD!!!! NO!!!!!!!!

:panic::panic::panic::panic::panic:

[Shamey]

We have a small theater here that still does the live prop show. A new version is not necessary.

[Woofer]

:scared: Remake?! It's perfect already, they don't need a remake!
At least Richard O'Brien is still involved, though...

Well, not really. From the article:


"I have no view on whether it should be remade but it doesn't have my blessing," he added.

and


Sky announced on Wednesday that Lou Adler, executive producer on the original film, would return in the same role, while O'Brien would co-produce.

But O'Brien told the BBC: "I'm not co-producing it and I won't be involved in any way.

"The first I heard about it was when people sent me cuttings from US papers."

[B Rag]

:doh:
Dang...

[LadyHitchhiker]

I don't know how they expect to make it any better. I will watch it reluctantly, but I think it will be like the charlie and the chocolate factory movie... the new Wonka just won't be the same....

I'm excited yet disgusted at the same time...

Just watch, they'll try and put Marilyn Manson as Dr. Frank N Furter... And Jack Black as Meatloaf... Bleeeeeeghhhh..

[LadyHitchhiker]

"Our hope has always been that each new endeavour and rebirth will expose the Rocky Horror experience to new audiences and expand the fan base" <-- I don't understand this... why don't they just rerelease the original movie to all the movie theatres and do some mega promoting? Then they don't have to spend money on making a new movie and they can get even more money!!!!! Slapnuts...

[jayson]

...but I think it will be like the charlie and the chocolate factory movie... the new Wonka just won't be the same....

Though I still have a nostalgic love for the first one and preferred it to the newer one, the newer one was significantly closer to the book than the first was and therefore had some redeeming value (not to mention brilliant music by the genius Danny Elfman). That's obviously not an issue with this proposed remake.

[B Rag]

Just watch, they'll try and put Marilyn Manson as Dr. Frank N Furter... And Jack Black as Meatloaf... Bleeeeeeghhhh..

Marilyn Manson would be terrible for that... if anything, he'd make a good Riff Raff! But my love for the original cast would keep me from accepting any replacement, I think.

[LadyHitchhiker]

As for the comment about the wonka moving being closer to hte book, this is true, but I still didn't like the high pitched voice for the oompa loompas. The squirrels being in the movie was excellent, and allbeit I liked the movie and all, the original movie will always be my favorite...

I've got the golden ticket....

(I have both movies though ;))

and as for b rag's comment, I think I will probably agree. See, the Rocky Horror Picture Show is my favorite movie of all time. I have seen it thousands of times, even once with B Rag... :wub: Buuuuuuut I don't know that anything could be as good as the first movie. And will they stall enough so that way audience participation is applicable? will they change the songs to be more current? Will the new audiences even get all of the old references?

I suppose we will have to see.

[Darkthoughts]

I have only one thing to say...


...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOO!!!

[LadyHitchhiker]

How can you make something perfect better?

[cozener]

They can remake it. Can't see whats wrong with the original but...whatever. I don't care. Its not like I have to watch it. :)

[B Rag]

I think I'll have to. Because I can't be "not watching Rocky Horror Picture Show"...

[LadyHitchhiker]

Then we can play a late night double feature picture show of the original and the remake, B Rag..

[B Rag]

:excited:

I wanna go! Oh-oh-oh-oh-oh...

[LadyHitchhiker]

do you think any of these youngsters are going to get the myriad of references to movies and cinematic matters that they have never witnessed?

[B Rag]

Hard to say - I'm not sure if I've ever actually seen any of the movies mentioned in SFDF... :blush:

[LadyHitchhiker]

What? Really? I've seen most of them!! LOL

Well then let's be perfectly honest:

do you get them?

[B Rag]

Well, I've looked them all up and pretty much know what they're about.

[Tiffany]

No.

There's a theatre here that does a screening every last Friday of the month. :thumbsup:

There's also already a stage play, The Rocky Horror Show (it's actually not bad, though I wouldn't choose it over the movie). Is a remake really necessary?

[LadyHitchhiker]

I say if they redo it they should use the original cast. :D

[Spencer]

Remake Rocky Horror?

BAD IDEA.

[Telynn]

That is totally unnecessary.

[Rjeso]

Rocky Horror movie to be remade

Cult musical film The Rocky Horror Picture Show is to be remade 33 years after it was first released, it has been announced.

WHY WHY WHY?

:arg:

[Aaron]

I know for a fact that there is no way that this could touch the original, but it might be okay...if they bring back Tim Curry, that is. <_<

[Sam]

I'll not be partaking of any sequel.

I REMEMBER do the Time Warp!

[LadyHitchhiker]

I do the time warp every day...

[Hornet of Death]

Evil Dead without Bruce? Doesn't work.

I'm happy because the show MY NAME IS BRUCE tomorrow at a special screening in my town. Can't wait.

[Heather19]

I so want to see that. Let me know how it is.

[Darkthoughts]

All discussion of movie remakes have been merged here ;)

[The Lady of Shadows]

good call! :clap:

now then, about this rocky horror remake? how can anyone top tim curry and/or anthony stewart head? you can't so a remake is a total waste of time. discussion over. :nope:

[educatedlady]

Don't forget they're remaking Hellraiser, too. And Doug Bradley won't be playing Pinhead.

Personally, I refuse to acknowledge either the ED or Hellraiser remakes. Wait, I just did. *bursts into flames*

I just saw this and I think that the only thing that gives me hope about the remake of Hellraiser is Barker's work on it. I think that since he is involved it might just be great. *I hope*

[Woofer]

Don't forget they're remaking Hellraiser, too. And Doug Bradley won't be playing Pinhead.

Personally, I refuse to acknowledge either the ED or Hellraiser remakes. Wait, I just did. *bursts into flames*

I just saw this and I think that the only thing that gives me hope about the remake of Hellraiser is Barker's work on it. I think that since he is involved it might just be great. *I hope*

But Doug Bradley is Pinhead. Why not just make another crappy, straight-to-video sequel starring Lance Henriksen?

[HanzouNorak]

id like to interject a bit about Abrams here, ok hes famous for Lost, something i consider another overhyped, boring, reused local channel drama, and even though im going to be flamed for that, its where i still stand to this day. in the wake of Star Trek:Enterprise, nobody wanted to see another trek movie that had ANYTHING to do with the past. then this Cloverfield toting dickhead comes along, redesigns the icon of Star Trek (the original Rodenberry Enterprise) and suddenly, people think this is going to be JUST FUCKING DANDY. Star Trek 11 is rather anticipated by the Star Trek communtiy, and i have no idea why, faithful verterans see it as bullshit, but everyones blinded by the Almighty Movie Director God. yea you made a tv drama, and you made a boring ass Blair Witch/Godzilla 98 hybrid (Cloverfield), but you dont deserve this blinded devotion . it blows my mind, this guy is doing everything Star Trek fans dont want to see and they're all jumping on the bandwagon. this is overly ambitious, and just plain retarded, hey what if i said i was remaking star wars, but darth vader would have a new helmet and his fucking suit would be green? its the same idea. compare the two damn ships, theres a conceptual sketch based off a model from the Neuburg Toyfair held a few months ago at Ex Astris Scientia, in the Starship Database section. they look so different from each other that im doubting Abrams sainity. new cast, new ship, what new fucking history too? im just firing off a pointless rant but i just cant believe this bullshit is happening. and whats worse, old Dark Tower Movie rumors state that Abrams was going to direct it. i swear i'll just kill myself if the shock doesn't cripple my ability to think. but im digressing here.

BOTTOM LINE: STAR TREK 11 IS AN OVERLEY AMBITOUS REMAKE THAT WILL BURN IN HELL ONCE TREKKIES SEE HOW TERRIBLE IT IS.

*note:i realize only star trek fans will be able to relate and that i look like a nerd with this long rant about a franchise thats mostly dead being remade. i have just insulted Abrams to a large degree and i will stand by it no matter how many Lost fans flame me for my angry and hateful comments.

[Darkthoughts]

I can't flame you for your Lost hating, because that rant was just class :lol: :clap:

[Woofer]

What, exactly, is your definition of flaming? From what I can tell, if anyone disagrees, then they're flaming. On the other hand, your rant sounds suspiciously like flaming, though perhaps trolling would be better.

With that out of the way, let me continue:

I disagree with your assessment of LOST as a program although I do agree it is overhyped.
I still think Enterprise was better than Deep Space Nine and Voyager.
It's not blind devotion because it is grounded in something - his body of work (no matter how small). The same thing is often said of King fans.
I agree with you. I'm not thrilled about a new Trek either - especially with the ship redesigned.

[BeDaN]

Just read in the newspaper today that writing has begun on a "Poltergeist" remake. Some of the writers are fearful of the "Poltergeist" curse.

[B Rag]

Just watch, they'll try and put Marilyn Manson as Dr. Frank N Furter... And Jack Black as Meatloaf... Bleeeeeeghhhh..

I hear Dakota Fanning is going to be Columbia.

[jayson]

Just read in the newspaper today that writing has begun on a "Poltergeist" remake. Some of the writers are fearful of the "Poltergeist" curse.

This time Heather O'Rourke can play a ghost. What? Too soon?

[Woofer]

The Day the Earth Stood Still with Keanu Reeves.

http://psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/cryeyesout.gif

ETA: This is post #666 for me - how appropriate.

[jayson]

The Day the Earth Stood Still with Keanu Reeves.

I can't help but read that as an accurate critique of Reeves' acting "abilities". :P

[Heather19]

The Day the Earth Stood Still with Keanu Reeves.

http://psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/cryeyesout.gif

ETA: This is post #666 for me - how appropriate.

is this for real?

[Woofer]

The Day the Earth Stood Still with Keanu Reeves.

I can't help but read that as an accurate critique of Reeves' acting "abilities". :P

Too true. Reminds me of that Family Guy episode. http://psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/birdiewolf.gif



The Day the Earth Stood Still with Keanu Reeves.

http://psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/cryeyesout.gif

ETA: This is post #666 for me - how appropriate.

is this for real?

I am afraid so. Info here (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0970416/).

[jayson]

The Day the Earth Stood Still with Keanu Reeves.

I can't help but read that as an accurate critique of Reeves' acting "abilities". :P

Too true. Reminds me of that Family Guy episode. http://psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/birdiewolf.gif

Was thinking the same thing.

Brian: You know there's a woodpecker on your head?
Keanu: Yeah, he comes and goes.

[Odetta]

Just read in the newspaper today that writing has begun on a "Poltergeist" remake. Some of the writers are fearful of the "Poltergeist" curse.

what is the curse?

[jayson]

Just read in the newspaper today that writing has begun on a "Poltergeist" remake. Some of the writers are fearful of the "Poltergeist" curse.

what is the curse?

The urban legend of a curse on these films mostly stems from four cast members dying in a six year span between the release of the first film and the release of the third.

[Sam - Son of Ian]

I've been thinking a lot about remakes recently due to the abundance of them in production.

Yes, remaking Nightmare, Friday the 13th, The Birds and Near Dark are very bad ideas.

What I do think would be interesting to see would be a prequel to A Nightmare on Elm Street, depicting Freddy's conception, murdering ways and eventual death - although it has been touched upon in the sequels, it would b nice to have a definitive Freddy Film.

[B Rag]

I'd like that too. They've pretty much told his back-story, but it'd still be really cool.

[flaggwalkstheline]

http://movies.yahoo.com/news/movies.reuters.com/new-film-version-quotrats-nimhquot-works-reuters

the secret of nimh is one of the greatest animated films ever, say what u will about his other films but the secret of nimh is Don Bluth working at the hight of his abilities
And some director (this Neil Burger person) thinks it would be a good idea to remake it with a mix of live action and cgi and he cited alvin and the fucking chipmunks as an example of what to expect



Kill me now:pullhair::arg:

[BROWNINGS CHILDE]

This story should be left as is. I don't think that it would be improved with a retelling.

[Tvmorbid]

Ahem *clears throat*

WHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHY!? Why would anyone even mention The Rats of Nimh in the same sentence as that gods awful Alvin and the Chipmunks rubbish?! http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a16/Tvmorbid/Smileys/Mad.gif http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a16/Tvmorbid/Smileys/frustration.gif What a friggin' travesty.

[Brice]

My feelings on the whole idea-----> <_<

[ladysai]

AAACK!
They are going to ruin one of my favorite movies! My girls and I enjoyed this movie over and over when they were little...
and now they are going to remake it a la Alvin and the Chipmunks?!?!!!
:scared:
Holy shit, Hollywood...get some ORIGINAL ideas for crying out loud and STOP ruining great stories from the past!!! :shoot:

[turtlex]

First Footloose and now this !!

Oh, the humanity !! :panic:

[Brice]

They remade Footloose? :scared:

[turtlex]

They are remaking it right now. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1068242/)

I shudder when I think about it.

I'm fairly sure Kevin Bacon, Lori Singer, Chris Penn, Sarah Jessica Parker, Dianne Wiest and John Lithgow pretty much captured every nuance of that story that there was.

Sad. Very sad.

[Brice]

*stabs self in the eyes*

[jayson]

not that i don't find this appalling, because i do

but, is anybody really even remotely surprised by this?

face it, everything will eventually be remade. they are out of ideas for original stories and are tripping over themselves to either adapt every possible book, song, commercial into a film or simply remake every movie that's ever been made. it's unfortunate but shouldn't be at all shocking.

[Brice]

Someday there will be a remake of Gigli....it will be worse than the original.

[turtlex]

How would that be possible?
Oh, wait... JLo plays all parts. Nuff said.

[Brice]

Actually JLo will also write, direct, and produce too. :lol:

[turtlex]

..and there goes that one remaining brain cell. :lol:

[Brice]

:lol:

[turtlex]

Note to self... when planning a remake of a beloved animated classic... refer to a current, piece of crap, CGI rendered embarrassment... in order to win over fans. ( you'd think the director would have at least grabbed something like Stuart Little rather than Alvin as an example ).

[flaggwalkstheline]

Someday there will be a remake of Gigli....it will be worse than the original.

a cgi-Hamster remake of gigli would be superior to the original and I would totally watch it:P

[AIMB]

This story should be left as is. I don't think that it would be improved with a retelling.

I know, I don't understand remakes of classics. Why don't they just rerelease the original. If they played old movies in the theatre I would still go just as often just for the fact that the theatre is a whole different experience.

[Woofer]

List below; details at the link (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/166239/55_movie_remakes_currently_in_the_works.html):

1. Arthur
2. They Live
3. The Crazies
4. Romancing The Stone
5. The Incredible Shrinking Man
6. The Illustrated Man
7. When Worlds Collide
8. Fantastic Voyage
9. Back To School
10. Meatballs
11. Metropolis
12. The Dirty Dozen
13. 13
14. Conan
15. Clash Of The Titans
16. Akira
17. The Karate Kid
18. Death Wish
19. Footloose
20. The Taking Of Pelham 123
21. State Of Play
22. The Last House On The Left
23. Fame
24. Red Dawn
25. Short Circuit
26. The Thing
27. The Birds
28. Hellraiser
29. Poltergeist
30. Oldboy
31. Westworld
32. 36
33. Logan’s Run
34. Child’s Play
35. The Rocky Horror Picture Show
36. Flash Gordon
37. Rosemary’s Baby
38. The Jetsons
39. Starfighter
40. Forbidden Planet
41. Sympathy For Lady Vengeance
42. Near Dark
43. Barbarella
44. Red Sonja
45. Last Tango In Paris
46. Angel Heart
47. The Host
48. High and Low
49. My Fair Lady
50. Rashomon
51. All Of Me
52. 10
53. Captain Blood
54. Highlander
55. Brighton Rock

[razz]

that's just fucking sad.

[Kidd Ikarus]

Wow. They're going to remake 'They Live'? Isn't that that alien movie with Rowdy Roddy Piper? and I might be mistaken, but isn't Billy Blanks in that too?

[Brice]

And then they can remake the remakes. :lol:

There are some movies on that list that make me want to stab somebody.

[jayson]

i can think of at least two dozen of those movies which never should have been made the first time around.

[Brice]

I wonder if Jayson's list and my list would be similar.

[pathoftheturtle]

Which is worse, doing a bad remake of a good film, or remaking an awful film into one which is no better?

...they are out of ideas for original stories...On the contrary, I think that there are original ideas out there, but those are now seen as too risky.

[jayson]

Which is worse, doing a bad remake of a good film, or remaking an awful film into one which is no better?

...they are out of ideas for original stories...On the contrary, I think that there are original ideas out there, but those are now seen as too risky.

i agree mike. i should clarify. what i meant to say is that studios are no longer very interested in original ideas. they are definitely out there. there will always be writers and directors who try to do original things. they just get marginalized by the mainstream. one upside to technological advances is that there are more and more options available to them to get their work done and out to the public than there were previously.

[Tvmorbid]

List below; details at the link (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/166239/55_movie_remakes_currently_in_the_works.html):


2. They Live
14. Conan
15. Clash Of The Titans
25. Short Circuit
26. The Thing
28. Hellraiser
29. Poltergeist
34. Child’s Play
35. The Rocky Horror Picture Show
37. Rosemary’s Baby
54. Highlander


FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!

All the above should never EVER be touched. They are all perfect the way they are, in most cases its the cheap campness of them that makes them so bloody brilliant! If they start chucking CGI at them is just going to ruin iiiiiiiiit :cry:

And seriously, unless they are planning on getting a Frenchman playing a Scotsman and a Scotsman playing a Spaniard with a newly resurrected Freddy Mercury doing the the soundtrack there is no point in remaking Highlander! Argh argh argh...

[flaggwalkstheline]

southopark already remade They Live, gloriously, IE the legendary cripple fight:onfire: :)

[John Blaze]

My feelings on the whole idea-----> <_<
I felt this way at first, specially after reading the comparison to Alvin and the damn chippies.

But that's just that writer's idea of what it will probably be, it's probably still in the planning stages. Also, I love the book, I have it, but the movies sucked so bad! They changed so much stuff, adding the magical mysticism crap, bleh.

If Pixar did something with it, I'd be interested to see what they do, they have a good instinct when it comes to animated movies.

[turtlex]

I'm getting a tad sick of Pixar and it's claim to be animation... actually.

It's CGI.

[Brice]

My feelings on the whole idea-----> <_<
I felt this way at first, specially after reading the comparison to Alvin and the damn chippies.

But that's just that writer's idea of what it will probably be, it's probably still in the planning stages. Also, I love the book, I have it, but the movies sucked so bad! They changed so much stuff, adding the magical mysticism crap, bleh.

If Pixar did something with it, I'd be interested to see what they do, they have a good instinct when it comes to animated movies.

I just don't like the idea of it being remade. In general I don't like remakes anyhow and if they must I wish they'd stay away from the movies I like.

Pam, right now Buzz Lightyear is crying cause you said that. :(

[turtlex]

:lol: Buzz Lightyear can cry all he wants. It's a huge pet peeve of mine. :lol:

[John Blaze]

I just don't like the idea of it being remade. In general I don't like remakes anyhow and if they must I wish they'd stay away from the movies I like. I don't like remakes when the original was good.

Case in point, Footloose, which Pam mentioned. The original was good, why would they mess with that? If tomorrow they decide to remake The Lion King, i'll go murder someone. If tomorrow they announce a remake of The Legend of 1900, i'll go shoot someone.

Secret of NIMH? It sucked bad. I mean, I have it, and I let my kids watch it, but when they get old enough to read it I'm gonna make them read the book to understand how bad the movie sucks. Now, if they remade it, and stayed closer to the book, I'd be happy.

[pathoftheturtle]

<_< Wasn't that the rationale behind Charlie and the Chocolate Factory? And, for that matter, behind Planet of the Apes? :P

[John Blaze]

I like both versions of Planet of the Apes, actually.

of course, some movies, made in another era, are remade sometimes in an effort to update the story and bring it to a wider audience, for example, I am Legend.
In cases like this, the intention is noble and thus a remake is acceptable to me.

[pathoftheturtle]

I like both versions of Planet of the Apes, actually.
Well, I guess I should have thought more carefully about what I was posting... cause, actually, I don't much care for either of them.
Or the book, come to think of it.


...some movies, made in another era, are remade... to update the story and bring it to a wider audience... the intention is noble...That's arguable.
I vaguely recall a comedian asking why it was that, when the thing that was usually applauded about Harry Potter was that it got more kids to start reading, there was such a rush to put it onto film?
If the audience is spoiled, doesn't that defeat the purpose of the better stories?

The Streets

[ladysai]

I vaguely recall a comedian asking why it was that, when the thing that was usually applauded about Harry Potter was that it got more kids to start reading, there was such a rush to put it onto film?
If the audience is spoiled, doesn't that defeat the purpose of the better stories?


The rush to get the HP stories to film was all about cashing in on the amazing worldwide popularity of the series. Moneymoneymoney!
I won't even get started on how those movies mutilated some of my favorite stories...
:rolleyes:

[Darkthoughts]

I just wanted to give Path kudos for posting a Streets clip :cool:

I am against book to movie adaptations from the get go, so I have nothing to add.

[John Blaze]

I like both versions of Planet of the Apes, actually.
Well, I guess I should have thought more carefully about what I was posting... cause, actually, I don't much care for either of them.
Or the book, come to think of it.


...some movies, made in another era, are remade... to update the story and bring it to a wider audience... the intention is noble...That's arguable.
I vaguely recall a comedian asking why it was that, when the thing that was usually applauded about Harry Potter was that it got more kids to start reading, there was such a rush to put it onto film?
If the audience is spoiled, doesn't that defeat the purpose of the better stories?
I don't think so. Some argue that comic books get kids into reading. Are comic book movies so bad? Iron Man? Some stories bring things to light that no one even knows. The 300 for example. I've been fascinated with the story of Sparta since I read about it in middle school. But how many people didn't know about it? How many kids or teens who saw the movie and heard that it was based on a true story went out and read about it? It works both ways, and I for one, like seeing movie adaptations of books because it gives me something to be pissed off about.

As to all remakes sucking, please allow me to slap you in the face with the pure awesomeness of Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.

[pathoftheturtle]

The 300 for example. ... How many kids or teens who saw the movie and heard that it was based on a true story went out and read about it?
Sure, that's good. But, then, how many didn't?
...As to all remakes sucking...I never said that. I try to avoid narrow-minded declarations.
Secret of NIMH? It sucked bad.

[jayson]

The 300 for example. ... How many kids or teens who saw the movie and heard that it was based on a true story went out and read about it?
Sure, that's good. But, then, how many didn't?bad.

probably many more than those that did. i find there are far too many people who see a quasi-true story on the screen and feel they now understand the history and don't need to read about it.

the real question is... how many read up on the history afterwards and then declared "i liked the movie better?" :rolleyes:

[John Blaze]

the point is, that maybe if even only one person was moved to read up on the history, and while reading it, read that they believed themselves to be descended from Hercules himself, and therefore decided to read Hercules, which lead him to read all the Greek mythology he could find, which lead him to enjoy reading and history and mythology, then it was worth it.

[pathoftheturtle]

$60,000,000, really? Is that what they were thinking of?
:orely:You know the expression, "more harm than good"?

My problem is not so much with the idea of films "bringing" good stories to "a wider audience." It just bugs me when they "update" them to death.

Maybe this will clear up what point I'd like to make:
When I was a little kid, I saw a film that I enjoyed so much that I went out and read all of the books.
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s12/POTT2007/drd67.jpg
Doctor Dolittle

[cozener]

1. Arthur….but the first one is one of my favorite comedies of all time. In fact, its in my top five as it is and they want to remake it? Can we say, “reinventing the wheel”?

2. They Live I seriously doubt they’ll be able to capture the feel of the first one. Its going to be an entirely different movie, that’s for sure. Not saying it’ll be bad, just saying it won’t have the same magic. (Roddy Piper had a lot to do with that magic, btw)

4. Romancing The Stone…who cares?

9. Back To School….why?

10. Meatballs Teenie comedies are not sacred…even if it has Bill Murray in it. Go ahead and remake it. I won’t watch it but go ahead.

11. Metropolis….considering that the original is a silent movie…yeah…I’d say a remake is in order.

12. The Dirty Dozen….Grrrrrr….I wonder how many pretty boi actors they’ll get to be in this movie. Ah well…maybe Posey will get to live in this one. That would be cool.

14. Conan….Conan is my favorite “fantasy” movie barring LotR. In fact, I like it as much as I like LotR. They’re just different flavors. It doesn’t need a remake.

15. Clash Of The Titans...Greek myths are not sacred...go ahead and good luck

17. The Karate Kid...don't care.

18. Death Wish ….Sweet!

19. Footloose I didn’t much like the first one. I don’t care if they remake this piece of shit.

23. Fame…don’t care. As far as I’m concerned Fame is a chick flick and I don’t care what they do to chick flicks…unless they remake them as porn in which case I’d be very interested.

24. Red Dawn The first one was good but one of the things that made it good was the fact that THE COLD WAR WAS ACTUALLY GOING ON AT THAT POINT! HELLO!!! A remake would be, how shall I put it, UNTIMELY?

25. Short Circuit. The first one was a bit silly and uninteresting to me. Maybe they’ll do a better job this time.

26. The Thing…..I just don’t see how they can make it better than Carpenter’s but seeing as how Carpenter’s was a remake I have to say its fair game.

27. The Birds….I’m actually excited about this one.

28. Hellraiser…I can see how this movie could be improved but it won’t be easy

29. Poltergeist. Interesting but the phrase “straight to video” keeps popping into my head

31. Westworld….I would actually like to see this one redone.

33. Logan’s Run…this could stand a makeover too. I’m glad they’re remaking it.

34. Child’s Play…The first one wasn’t freaky enough?

35. The Rocky Horror Picture Show…just plain stupid

36. Flash Gordon Oh cool! I can’t wait for this remake. I like the one from the 70s too but I’m always down for a Flash Gordon movie being made.

38. The Jetsons *shrug* It’s a fuckng kids cartoon. It ain’t sacred. They can remake it as much as they like.

39. Starfighter (the Last Starfighter you mean?) I liked the first one a lot. I don’t think it really needs to be remade but, whatever.

40. Forbidden Planet …could stand to be remade. The original, while great for its time, is kinda boring.

42. Near Dark….You gotta be shitting me. This was an excellent vampire movie. It does not need to be remade…certainly not this early.

43. Barbarella….lol….ok…but I want to see more sex in this one.

44. Red Sonja…well…the first one kinda sucked so I’m ok with this

45. Last Tango In Paris……You gotta uphill battle on your hands making your piddly ass little remake being even half as good as the first. Good luck to ya, Mr. Hollywood.

49. My Fair Lady…sorry all my purist friends but anything old enough to have Rex Harrison in it could stand an update. I doubt it will better but it could be done as well.

51. All Of Me….who cares?

52. 10 This movie needs to be redone and redone with a woman in it that actually is a 10. Bo Derek was pretty but if you have no ass you can’t be a 10. So I see this as an opportunity for the movie’s heroine to finally live up to the movie’s name. (not that it'll happen this way, they'll probably get another no ass actress like Cameron Diaz to play the part)

53. Captain Blood…it’s about damn time.

54. Highlander…NOOOOOO! Not my precious Highlander! You BASTAAAARDS!!!!

[LadyHitchhiker]

Oh nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooos Secret of Nimh was perfect! Why don't they just remaster it and rerelease it to the movie theatres?

[Brice]

Because they are soulless money sucking bastards?

[LadyHitchhiker]

But this would be a cheaper way of not expending a lot of money and yet still MAKING a lot of money if they remastered it and put it back out to theatres, don't you think?

Btw I don't know why they would redo RHPS either. It's perfect the way it is. How could you make it better? Another one that should be remastered perhaps but not redone.

And Pathoftheturtle, I did the same! But now the new Doctor Dolittle would never make me want to read the books because it is so far removed from the books, it is ridiculous!

[jayson]

27. The Birds….I’m actually excited about this one.


this is the one i find the most disturbing.

what director has the audacity to suggest that they should touch a hitchcock film? the director who has this film has two recent bond films and two zorro films to his credit. not exactly the resume of someone who needs to be reworking hitchcock.

the concept of needing to update for a younger audience is preposterous. it was already twenty years old when i first saw it as a teenager and it worked just fine for me. i find the whole concept insulting.

[Brice]

I find it deeply disturbing too, Jayson. Any director who could do Hitchcock justice would probably opt to make their own film instead. If a director would make this film, they can't. :nope:

[turtlex]

Coz, dude. Romancing the Stone was tons of fun ! .... Oh wait, I am reading the rest of your comments and I see now... nevermind.

[jayson]

Any director who could do Hitchcock justice would probably opt to make their own film instead.

you just nailed it brice. :clap:

inspired by hitchcock, good. now take what you've learned and make it your own.

[Brice]

:thumbsup:

[turtlex]

( hey, maybe we should rename this thread "Movie Remakes : Comments, Concerns and Comdemnations" - we haven't been talking about the NIMH remake for pages :lol: )

[Brice]

Or we could call it "Stab Me In My Fucking Eyes; They're Destroying Another Film With A Goddamned Remake!"

[flaggwalkstheline]

Or we could call it "Stab Me In My Fucking Eyes; They're Destroying Another Film With A Goddamned Remake!"

thats a good title:clap:

[pathoftheturtle]

15. Clash Of The Titans...Greek myths are not sacred...Oh, the irony.:P
I am against book to movie adaptations from the get go, so I have nothing to add.Perhaps you'd care to clarify, maybe on this (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6427) thread?
( hey, maybe we should rename this thread "Movie Remakes : Comments, Concerns and Comdemnations" - we haven't been talking about the NIMH remake for pages :lol: )I think we have been, here and there. There's a bit more that I still hope to say about that, before the topic is entirely subsumed. Won't really bother me, though, if flaggwalkstheline wants to change the title.

[flaggwalkstheline]

15. Clash Of The Titans...Greek myths are not sacred...Oh, the irony.:P
I am against book to movie adaptations from the get go, so I have nothing to add.Perhaps you'd care to clarify, maybe on this (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6427) thread?
( hey, maybe we should rename this thread "Movie Remakes : Comments, Concerns and Comdemnations" - we haven't been talking about the NIMH remake for pages :lol: )I think we have been, here and there. There's a bit more that I still hope to say about that, before the topic is entirely subsumed. Won't really bother me, though, if flaggwalkstheline wants to change the title.

hey whoah I had totally forgotten that I started this thread :wtf:

[jayson]

so, um...

if we turn this thread into a thread on movie remakes in general, isn't it just a remake of this thread? (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=2006&highlight=remake&page=4)

:rolleyes:

i feel a merge coming on.

[sarajean]

uh oh. is jayson putting his mod-goggles and merging gloves on?

:panic:

[cozener]

The problem with these older movies is that no one is watching them. If, by remaking The Birds, more attention is brought to the original (and Hitchcock in general) I'm happy.

[Brice]

If the original must be blasphemed by a remake in order to get people to watch it it'd just be better if the people who aren't watching them just didn't.

[jayson]

The problem with these older movies is that no one is watching them. If, by remaking The Birds, more attention is brought to the original (and Hitchcock in general) I'm happy.

inevitably what we get is a generation of people who saw the remake first and declare it superior to the original. that is unacceptable.

[turtlex]

so, um...

if we turn this thread into a thread on movie remakes in general, isn't it just a remake of this thread? (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=2006&highlight=remake&page=4)

:rolleyes:

i feel a merge coming on.


uh oh. is jayson putting his mod-goggles and merging gloves on?

:panic:

Okay, this is getting freaky.

I completely thought the first post here was you, sarajean! ><

[sarajean]

that's why people have user names, pam.

:P

:rolleyes:

[turtlex]

Oh, see, and no one told me this was pick on pam day. My bad.

[sarajean]

:lol:

:eta:

why would we notify you of that ahead of time?

[turtlex]

Oh, I don't know... out of the kindness of your hea... nevermind.

[Heather19]

I don't understand why more people aren't willing to watch classic films. They're closing themselves off from some amazing movies. And as for the Hitchcock remakes, I'm sure you all know how I feel about that.

And Metropolis! Please don't tell me that's actually getting a remake.

[flaggwalkstheline]

I don't understand why more people aren't willing to watch classic films. They're closing themselves off from some amazing movies. And as for the Hitchcock remakes, I'm sure you all know how I feel about that.

And Metropolis! Please don't tell me that's actually getting a remake.

the only way remaking a classic works is to change it into something different
case in point: herzog's Nosferatu (1979) is a very different film from Murnau's (1922 i think) and its awesome in it's own right

[Heather19]

I haven't seen that one, but the original was perfect, I can't imagine a remake of it.
Is it really worth checking out?

I know they did a remake of The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, which I think might even be shot for shot the same, but I just can't make myself watch it.

[flaggwalkstheline]

I haven't seen that one, but the original was perfect, I can't imagine a remake of it.
Is it really worth checking out?


Oh hell yes it is
it's very different from the murnau film, they actually use names of characters from dracula which murnau couldnt do becaue of copyright shennanagins plus herzog's nosferatu has the freakiest ending in a vampire film that I've ever seen, really crazy, and klaus kinsksi is really spooky as dracula, its far and away better than coppolas dracula from 92, keanu reeves ruins everything (except the 1st matrix) lol

[Heather19]

I haven't seen that one, but the original was perfect, I can't imagine a remake of it.
Is it really worth checking out?


Oh hell yes it is
it's very different from the murnau film, they actually use names of characters from dracula which murnau couldnt do becaue of copyright shennanagins plus herzog's nosferatu has the freakiest ending in a vampire film that I've ever seen, really crazy, and klaus kinsksi is really spooky as dracula, its far and away better than coppolas dracula from 92, keanu reeves ruins everything (except the 1st matrix) lol

well then I might just have to check it out

[Brice]

Hrerzog's remake is great. IMO, it's light years away from being as fantastic as the original, but still worth watching a couple times.

[Woofer]

keanu reeves ruins everything (except the 1st matrix) lol

Fixed that observation.

[cozener]

The problem with these older movies is that no one is watching them. If, by remaking The Birds, more attention is brought to the original (and Hitchcock in general) I'm happy.

inevitably what we get is a generation of people who saw the remake first and declare it superior to the original. that is unacceptable. Look at it this way, Hitchcock's movie was based on a novel. It isn't like he made up the story. So you could say that they aren't trying to remake a Hitchcock movie as much as making another movie based on the same story. Of course, you could use the same argument for any movie based on a book and frankly, if you're going to make a movie based on a book that you didn't write then you can't really bitch if someone makes another movie based on the same book...even if you are Hitchcock. :)

[pathoftheturtle]

...you could say that they aren't trying to remake a Hitchcock movie as much as making another movie based on the same story. ...You could say that... but I'm pretty sure that you'd be fooling only yourself.


I don't understand why more people aren't willing to watch classic films.Especially when they're all willing to pay for these remakes. :beat:

[jayson]

...you could say that they aren't trying to remake a Hitchcock movie as much as making another movie based on the same story. ...You could say that... but I'm pretty sure that you'd be fooling only yourself.

precisely.

one could say it, and get away with it, right up to the first scene in the remake which is clearly stolen from hitchock's version. anybody want to lay odds on how far into the movie before that happens? i'll start the bidding at 10 minutes.

[flaggwalkstheline]

...you could say that they aren't trying to remake a Hitchcock movie as much as making another movie based on the same story. ...You could say that... but I'm pretty sure that you'd be fooling only yourself.

precisely.

one could say it, and get away with it, right up to the first scene in the remake which is clearly stolen from hitchock's version. anybody want to lay odds on how far into the movie before that happens? i'll start the bidding at 10 minutes.

I have not nor do I plan to see disturbia, the remake of rear window with shia le-boof (dont know how to spell his stupid name) in the role that was originally played by jimmy stewart
I also have not seen the remake of that film with christopher reeves but at least that one had the nerve to keep the same name as the original and cast a good actor as that lead role but Shia le-boof in a role originally played by jimmy stewart?! kill me now:pirate:

[Brice]

Oh, allright! :shoot:

[pathoftheturtle]

... Everything now is either a sequel of a sequel of another sequel or a remake of an older film/tv show/commercial. It's why I prefer music."What do you get from a glut of TV?
A pain in the neck and an IQ of three.
Why don't you try simply reading a book?
Or could you just not bear to look?

You'll get no...
You'll get no...
You'll get no...
You'll get no...
You'll get no commercials!" :)

[candy]

ok peoples. i had quoted tons of stuff and it turned into almost two pages so i decided against it

i will try and remember my arguments;-
prior to reading all the posts - my main comment was going to be that any remake is good if the original was bad.However, this argument became fractured whilst reading everyone’s comments as i realised everybody had different ideas over what was bad (coz seemed to demonstrate this with his full list that had me in turns chortling, gasping in horror and wanting to slap him with a wet fish)

personal opinion (on the ones i can remember)
Elm Street - the first film only was good before it went stupid. This original film was aimed at my then age group and gave me nightmares for years to come. taking a bath just never had the same lie back and relax quality. i dont see the point of a remake due to the fact that they failed so miserably with 2,3 etc etc
hell raiser this is a strange one, again i dont see why they would want to remake, i only watched this a few years ago, but the oldish ness of it helped the whole creepy feel. And any new film will have too much gloss
footloose – this film was quite a cult film for my age group, so I can see how people would not want it touched. I am more curious as to the why, these type of films where very popular in the 80’s but I cant see the youth of today being as captured by it as we were then.
Batman – to me, there had never been a good adaption. When I heard it was being redone as batman begins I was very cautious, but this is now one of my all time favourite films as it went in the direction it was always meant to go in. dark dark and darker
Charlie and the chocolate factory – another strange one, I know a lot of people love the new one with Mr Depp in, and they feel it closer followed the book. for me though Gene hackman is and always will be Willy Wonker – but that’s just the softie in me.
The Day the earth stood still – I love my classics, and this is probabley one of my oldy favourites. I must say though that I got my arm twisted to go and see the new one of the cinema, and I was curious how they would adapt it to the big screen. It was a meeeh one, they did an ok job, and Keanu reeves did a swell job as the emotionless Klaatu (it matched his acting skills perfectly)
The same holds with the war of the worlds, but I have rambled on far too long, and taken up far too much of your time:huglove:

[Heather19]

Is anyone else excited to see Rob Zombie's Halloween 2? I loved his take on the first one and can't wait to see this one.

[mystima]

some one earlier said that My Fair Lady needed to be remade for the times...well it has been made twice. They starred Julia Roberts and Richard Gere in Pretty Woman and in the movie She's All That with Freddy Prince Jr. and Rachael Leigh Cook. Also My Fair Lady was a remake to begin with. The original was called Pygmalion.

[pathoftheturtle]

...prior to reading all the posts - my main comment was going to be that any remake is good if the original was bad.However, this argument became fractured whilst reading everyone’s comments as i realised everybody had different ideas over what was bad (coz seemed to demonstrate this with his full list that had me in turns chortling, gasping in horror and wanting to slap him with a wet fish)...Exactly. Coz brilliantly parodied narrow focus and asthetic self-righteousness.
It's absurd to debate any of the specific judgements he made up.

Theatrical remakes were pretty standard, of course, before motion pictures were invented. What can resonably be called negative here is not the remake in itself, or various pet peeves.
Rather, it is certain trends in culture and contemporary cinema which call for attention.

[cozener]

wanting to slap him with a wet fish... Why is it that only chicks from half way around the world want to do cool stuff like this to me?



Coz brilliantly parodied narrow focus and asthetic self-righteousness. Nah...I really am narrowly focused and aesthetically self-righteous. :)

[flaggwalkstheline]

some one earlier said that My Fair Lady needed to be remade for the times...well it has been made twice. They starred Julia Roberts and Richard Gere in Pretty Woman and in the movie She's All That with Freddy Prince Jr. and Rachael Leigh Cook. Also My Fair Lady was a remake to begin with. The original was called Pygmalion.

I think that there should be a version of my fair lady made that involves jason voorhees (sp?) teaching a young lady how to be a proper mass murderer, played by helena bonham carter (of course) it would be a slasher film with showtunes!
THAT, I would pay money to see

[mystima]

some one earlier said that My Fair Lady needed to be remade for the times...well it has been made twice. They starred Julia Roberts and Richard Gere in Pretty Woman and in the movie She's All That with Freddy Prince Jr. and Rachael Leigh Cook. Also My Fair Lady was a remake to begin with. The original was called Pygmalion.

I think that there should be a version of my fair lady made that involves jason voorhees (sp?) teaching a young lady how to be a proper mass murderer, played by helena bonham carter (of course) it would be a slasher film with showtunes!
THAT, I would pay money to see

:excited::excited::excited:

on another note, tom cruise's son is to have a role in the remake of Red Dawn....:orely:

[Kidd Ikarus]

I really don't understand why they are remaking Red Dawn either . . .

[pathoftheturtle]

some one earlier said that My Fair Lady needed to be remade for the times...well it has been made twice. They starred Julia Roberts and Richard Gere in Pretty Woman and in the movie She's All That with Freddy Prince Jr. and Rachael Leigh Cook. Also My Fair Lady was a remake to begin with. The original was called Pygmalion.

I think that there should be a version of my fair lady made that involves jason voorhees (sp?) teaching a young lady how to be a proper mass murderer, played by helena bonham carter (of course) it would be a slasher film with showtunes!
THAT, I would pay money to seePsychos in Love (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093800/)



Coz brilliantly parodied narrow focus and asthetic self-righteousness. Nah...I really am narrowly focused and aesthetically self-righteous. :)Ah. In that case, I disagree with practically every word you've said.
ASAP, I'll explain... at length... count on it. :P

[turtlex]

Hey, I liked Red Dawn. It's a horrible movie and I watch it every time it's on. I embrace it's awfulness... and honestly, they need to leave these good "bad" movies alone.

Let this generation find their own good "bad" movies instead of stealing all of mine.

Oh, and just because someone has a famous parent, that doesn't mean they can - or should - act. For every Gwyneth Paltrow we get six or seven Liv Tylers.

[Kidd Ikarus]

Oh no, don't get me wrong, I liked Red Dawn . . . Me and my friends used to play it out on the playground. I was always C. Thomas Howell's character and would just always omit the fact that he got blown away by a Russian Helicopter. I just don't see the point in remaking it. We're kind of allies with Russia now, so why would there be a Red Dawn.

And while I'm on the subject I very much want to start a boycott of the Karate Kid remake. There is absolutely no need for that! Especially when Big Willy Style Smith's son is going to be Daniel's character. Ugh!! I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.:pullhair:

[flaggwalkstheline]

I saw a preview for a new final destination film basically copying the retitling that the new fast and furious film did, its called "The" final destination

I think both of those franchises are too young to be rebooted
and they already suck lol

[Kidd Ikarus]

I agree with you . . . Not that there was a need for a second Final Destination, but they really should have stopped after that.

[pathoftheturtle]

For every Gwyneth Paltrow we get six or seven Liv Tylers.How many here would be happy to get even one Liv Tyler?
...for me though Gene hackman is and always will be Willy Wonker...Not to be picky, candy, (everybody makes mistakes) but just for clarity--

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s12/POTT2007/gh-gw.jpg

[turtlex]

For every Gwyneth Paltrow we get six or seven Liv Tylers.How many here would be happy to get even one Liv Tyler?

Um, an excellent point.

Count me in... for Gwyneth as well. :D

[candy]

For every Gwyneth Paltrow we get six or seven Liv Tylers.How many here would be happy to get even one Liv Tyler?
...for me though Gene hackman is and always will be Willy Wonker...Not to be picky, candy, (everybody makes mistakes) but just for clarity--

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s12/POTT2007/gh-gw.jpg

doh! god i am having a bad week:beat:

[pathoftheturtle]

For every Gwyneth Paltrow we get six or seven Liv Tylers.How many here would be happy to get even one Liv Tyler?

Um, an excellent point.

Count me in... for Gwyneth as well. :DSome people get famous because they have sex appeal, some get sex appeal because they have fame. Either way, their children have a better chance of inheriting good looks. And in Hollywood, all that glitters is gold.

Anyway, I apologize for running off-topic.

[turtlex]

Oh, I understand sex appeal - and for sure Liv has tons of that... what she doesn't have tons of is acting ability. :D

[pathoftheturtle]

Yes, I did get your point.
...just because someone has a famous parent, that doesn't mean they can - or should - act.http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0119143/bio

[Woofer]

ok peoples. i had quoted tons of stuff and it turned into almost two pages so i decided against it

i will try and remember my arguments;-
prior to reading all the posts - my main comment was going to be that any remake is good if the original was bad.However, this argument became fractured whilst reading everyone’s comments as i realised everybody had different ideas over what was bad (coz seemed to demonstrate this with his full list that had me in turns chortling, gasping in horror and wanting to slap him with a wet fish)

personal opinion (on the ones i can remember)
Elm Street - the first film only was good before it went stupid. This original film was aimed at my then age group and gave me nightmares for years to come. taking a bath just never had the same lie back and relax quality. i dont see the point of a remake due to the fact that they failed so miserably with 2,3 etc etc
hell raiser this is a strange one, again i dont see why they would want to remake, i only watched this a few years ago, but the oldish ness of it helped the whole creepy feel. And any new film will have too much gloss
footloose – this film was quite a cult film for my age group, so I can see how people would not want it touched. I am more curious as to the why, these type of films where very popular in the 80’s but I cant see the youth of today being as captured by it as we were then.
Batman – to me, there had never been a good adaption. When I heard it was being redone as batman begins I was very cautious, but this is now one of my all time favourite films as it went in the direction it was always meant to go in. dark dark and darker
Charlie and the chocolate factory – another strange one, I know a lot of people love the new one with Mr Depp in, and they feel it closer followed the book. for me though Gene hackman is and always will be Willy Wonker – but that’s just the softie in me.
The Day the earth stood still – I love my classics, and this is probabley one of my oldy favourites. I must say though that I got my arm twisted to go and see the new one of the cinema, and I was curious how they would adapt it to the big screen. It was a meeeh one, they did an ok job, and Keanu reeves did a swell job as the emotionless Klaatu (it matched his acting skills perfectly)
The same holds with the war of the worlds, but I have rambled on far too long, and taken up far too much of your time:huglove:


Writers, directors, and producers need to find themes and concepts that work today instead of dredging up old movies, adding half a cup of flour, a tablespoon of ginger root, and a generous helping of T&A and hoping that's good enough to update it for a new generation.

[cozener]

I don't think Liv Tyler is a bad actress. No, she isn't dazzling, but I'd give her an average rating at worst.

And no, the thought of fellatio pounding in my brain in hot deep resonating bursts every time her image is displayed to me has nothing to do with this...nope...none whatsover.

[turtlex]

I don't think Liv Tyler is a bad actress. No, she isn't dazzling, but I'd give her an average rating at worst.


In what?

[jayson]

a rating of 'average' would be her greatest performance ever.

[turtlex]

I'd go with "average" ( maybe ) for That Thing You Do, but I'd be stretching it cause that's probably the best I've seen her and it happens to be on of my favorite bad movies.

[pathoftheturtle]

Writers, directors, and producers need to find themes and concepts that work today instead of dredging up old movies, adding half a cup of flour, a tablespoon of ginger root, and a generous helping of T&A and hoping that's good enough to update it for a new generation.
*sigh* "A" for effort, Woofer. That is an awesome summary of the on-topic discussion.

[flaggwalkstheline]

And no, the thought of fellatio pounding in my brain in hot deep resonating bursts every time her image is displayed to me has nothing to do with this...nope...none whatsover.

:thumbsup:

[pathoftheturtle]

"Well, that's the end of the film. Now, here's the meaning of life.
... Well, it's nothing very special. Uh, try and be nice to people, avoid eating fat, read a good book every now and then, get some walking in, and try and live together in peace and harmony with people of all creeds and nations. And, finally, here are some completely gratuitous pictures of penises to annoy the censors and to hopefully spark some sort of controversy, which, it seems, is the only way, these days, to get the jaded, video-sated public off their fucking arses and back in the sodding cinema. Family entertainment? Bollocks. What they want is filth: people doing things to each other with chainsaws during tupperware parties, babysitters being stabbed with knitting needles by gay presidential candidates, vigilante groups strangling chickens, armed bands of theatre critics exterminating mutant goats. Where's the fun in pictures?"-- The Meaning of Life

[ArtherEld]

Saw Clash of the Titans.

Reaction: eh, s'alright...

Liked the Bobo reference. Glad they didn't take that any further.

Pretty damn cheesy dialogue though and acting. Some of the action scenes were a little anticlimactic.

Like how Perseus kills Hades, it was just... blam, done.

Sort of an unanswered question when the Stigen witches tell him he's going to die. Well, we didn't see that happen, or at least they didn't actually deal with it. Why and how did he escape that prophecy? It can't be as simple as, he fought and lived. Sequel, maybe? A God of War movie where they deal with the crossover, as Kratos fights Perseus? Nevermind.

Given that I thought it was "eh alright, but cheesy", and that I'm pretty leniant when it comes to movies, even when they're remakes, the lot of you will probably blow chunks at the screen.

Really, it's just good for popcorn and that's all. Don't expect to see an epic to rival Lord of the Rings.

[ArtherEld]

I don't think Liv Tyler is a bad actress. No, she isn't dazzling, but I'd give her an average rating at worst.

And no, the thought of fellatio pounding in my brain in hot deep resonating bursts every time her image is displayed to me has nothing to do with this...nope...none whatsover.

Here's something that might help: she gets those lips from her dad.

[Woofer]

Saw Clash of the Titans.

Reaction: eh, s'alright...

Liked the Bobo reference. Glad they didn't take that any further.

Pretty damn cheesy dialogue though and acting. Some of the action scenes were a little anticlimactic.

Like how Perseus kills Hades, it was just... blam, done.

Sort of an unanswered question when the Stigen witches tell him he's going to die. Well, we didn't see that happen, or at least they didn't actually deal with it. Why and how did he escape that prophecy? It can't be as simple as, he fought and lived. Sequel, maybe? A God of War movie where they deal with the crossover, as Kratos fights Perseus? Nevermind.

Given that I thought it was "eh alright, but cheesy", and that I'm pretty leniant when it comes to movies, even when they're remakes, the lot of you will probably blow chunks at the screen.

Really, it's just good for popcorn and that's all. Don't expect to see an epic to rival Lord of the Rings.

Bolding mine --> So it's a lot like the original?

[ArtherEld]

Saw Clash of the Titans.

Reaction: eh, s'alright...

Liked the Bobo reference. Glad they didn't take that any further.

Pretty damn cheesy dialogue though and acting. Some of the action scenes were a little anticlimactic.

Like how Perseus kills Hades, it was just... blam, done.

Sort of an unanswered question when the Stigen witches tell him he's going to die. Well, we didn't see that happen, or at least they didn't actually deal with it. Why and how did he escape that prophecy? It can't be as simple as, he fought and lived. Sequel, maybe? A God of War movie where they deal with the crossover, as Kratos fights Perseus? Nevermind.

Given that I thought it was "eh alright, but cheesy", and that I'm pretty leniant when it comes to movies, even when they're remakes, the lot of you will probably blow chunks at the screen.

Really, it's just good for popcorn and that's all. Don't expect to see an epic to rival Lord of the Rings.

Bolding mine --> So it's a lot like the original?

Very much so. If the original had been made now, probably would look a lot like the remake.

I will say that the dialogue and acting reminded me a lot of Krull, more so than the original Clash of the Titans. Krull and the original Clash are both favorite cult classics of mine as a kid. The remake probably doesn't hold that same power.

[Woofer]

It doesn't have Ray Harryhausen. It has computers.

[giggler5]

clash of the titans = terrible. if anyone here has seen the original from the 80s, don't bother. watered down with cgi, as expected. i feel like i got raped.

[fernandito]

I went in to the theater wanting to love Clash , left the theater hoping the director's car exploded.

[pathoftheturtle]

:OMG: What is wrong with people?
: "21 Jump Street" film in the works (http://www.ontheredcarpet.com/2010/11/21-jump-street-film-in-the-works-may-star-channing-tatum.html?rss=rss-kabc-snippet-7778741) :

[John Blaze]

:lol: crazy

[ArtherEld]

A Michael Bay produced remake of The Birds will have exploding birds.

You heard it here first.

Oh, I've already seen the scene. I'm just imagining what a Michael Bay "Birds" will be, but with this description I guarantee you'll think I was on set:

There will be a Trevor Rabin (or another Hanz Zimmer-ish) soundtrack. Lots of slo-mo. The two main characters standing up in slo-mo as the camera view circles around them. All the while the soundtrack in the background making a low electric bass with a rapid monotonous "dow-dow-dow-dow-dow", over that enter the strings making a minor key emotional theme. The characters looking all around them at the flock of birds encircling them in the sky. Cut to camera view following a single bird as it dives toward the Melanie Daniels (played by Tea Leoni). Mitch Brenner (played by Nick Cage) will look up (all in slow motion), see the bird diving on Melanie, and dive himself toward her, shoving them both to the ground, milisecond (although with the slo-mo it might be a little longer) before the bird explodes (cgi explosion of course) over their heads.

Melanie glances over her shoulder in fear. Mitch jumps to his feet and pulls Melanie up. "LET'S GO! COME ON!" Mitch yells. Now it's not in slo mo. They're running for cover. All the while, birds are diving and exploding, but they dodge by... simply ducking their heads a few inches. They finally find shelter.

They're both panting.

Melanie: "What the hell was all that!?"

Mitch: "Are you kidding, it was like Pear Harbor in there!"

[RUBE]

A thread about remakes and no mention of True Grit? I have not seen it yet but it looks pretty good. My dad is a huge John Wayne fan so he gets really agitated whenever anyone mentions the new one.

[John Blaze]

I am really looking forward to watching the new one, now that you mention it. I have never been of fan of JW's movies, thinking them too "clean" for westerns, and not very realistic. I'm more a fan of the "gritty" Clint Eastwood type westerns, as I believe they are closer to the way things actually were. I hope the new one kind of blends the two into something good.

[RUBE]

That sums up my thoughts on westerns as well.

[John Blaze]

I KNEW you had good taste. :)

[JRM]

I don't mind remakes, just as long as they're done well.

[mystima]

Not sure if this remake was mentioned...they are doing a reboot of RoboCop...the villain is Hugh Laurie.

http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/hugh-laurie-signs-juicy-robocop-role-182822776.html

[John Blaze]

that's some bullshit