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zelig
11-23-2014, 12:35 PM
Although variant DJ and book states have been discussed in numerous posts scattered around the forum, here's a thread dedicated to the topic.

This list started by consolidating as many of the past discussions as I could find, and is certainly open to correction and/or edits.

Excluded from the list:

Limited editions
Book proofs/ARC's (DJ Proofs are included.)
Reprints


Links to the books in the Catalog are included where applicable, and I also hunted down some forum posts with more information. It would be great for members who have the various states to post pictures in this thread so they're all together.

US Dust Jacket Variants

'Salem's Lot - 1st, 2nd & 3rd state DJ's. - Catalog (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Stephen+King+First+Editions:Sal ems+Lot+-+Trade+HC) | Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?377-Your-New-Pride-and-Joy!&p=829033&viewfull=1#post829033), Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?9403-Book-Collection-ur2ndbiggestfan&p=533875&viewfull=1#post533875), Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?18763-Which-is-the-most-coveted-King-book&p=881825&viewfull=1#post881825)
Pet Sematary - 1982/1983 date on back of DJ - Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?18803-Book-Collection-zelig&p=884897&viewfull=1#post884897)
The Bachman Books - Possibly a misprint? - Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?14300-Book-Collection-needfulthings&p=688186&viewfull=1#post688186)
The Tommyknockers - Red/Gold lettering - Catalog (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Stephen+King+First+Editions:Tom myknockers+The+-+Trade+HC) | Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?18803-Book-Collection-zelig&p=884784&viewfull=1#post884784)
Insomnia - Red/White DJ variants - Catalog (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Stephen+King+First+Editions:Ins omnia+-+Trade+HC)
Just After Sunset - DVD special - Catalog (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Stephen+King+First+Editions:Jus t+After+Sunset)
Under the Dome - White/Grey Lettering - Catalog (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Stephen+King+First+Editions:UND ER+THE+DOME+-+TRADE+HC)
Revival - 'Barnes & Noble' DJ - Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?17490-Stephen-King-s-Revival-Book-Tour-Collecting-Thread&p=884180&viewfull=1#post884180)


US Book Variants

Four Past Midnight - Black/Gold "SK" initials on boards - Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?18338-Book-Collection-jonp&p=899231&viewfull=1#post899231), Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?18848-Stephen-King-Dust-Jacket-Book-and-Proof-Variants&p=899350&viewfull=1#post899350)


US - Printer Variants (Thanks jonp)

Eyes of the Dragon - Arcata Graphics Fairfield, Pennsylvania OR Arcata Graphics Hawkins County, Tennessee OR Haddon Craftsmen, Scranton, Pennsylvania. - Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?18338-Book-Collection-jonp&p=924649&viewfull=1#post924649)
Misery - R.R. Donnelley & Son, Harrisonburg, Virginia OR Arcata Graphics, Fairfield, Pennsylvania
Needful Things - R.R. Donnelley & Son, Harrisonburg, Virginia OR Arcata Graphics, Fairfield
Gerald's Game - R.R. Donnelley & Son Company OR Book Press, Inc
Dolores Claiborne - R.R. Donnelley & Son Company OR Arcata Graphics, Fairfield OR Arcata Graphics, Martinsburg
Nightmares And Dreamscapes - Arcata Graphics, Fairfield OR R.R. Donnelley & Son Company
Insomnia - Arcata Graphics Fairfield, Pennsylvania OR R.R. Donnelley & Son, Harrisonburg, Virginia
Rose Madder - Quebecor Printing, Fairfield OR R.R. Donnelley & Son Company
Desperation - Quebecor Printing, Fairfield OR Quebecor Printing, Martinsburg
Black House - Q, DC, DH codes on copyright page (assumed to be printers codes - Q - Quebecor Printing Fairfield? DH - Donnelley Harrisonburg? - DC? ?) - Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?18338-Book-Collection-jonp&p=903126&viewfull=1#post903126)


US Proof DJ's

The Backman Books - Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?1987-Current-Market-Value-Experts-assess-yours-or-other-s-collectible-King-item&p=932920&viewfull=1#post932920)
Four Past Midnight - Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?18848-Dust-Jacket-Variants&p=885347&viewfull=1#post885347)
Needful Things - Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?9403-Book-Collection-ur2ndbiggestfan&p=762744&viewfull=1#post762744)
Rose Madder - Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?1283-Stephen-King-Collecting-Questions&p=345966&viewfull=1#post345966), Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?18848-Dust-Jacket-Variants&p=885347&viewfull=1#post885347)
Desperation - Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?18848-Dust-Jacket-Variants&p=885347&viewfull=1#post885347)


UK Dust Jacket Variants

Christine - Export edition jacket with £8.95 price sticker - Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?18803-Book-Collection-zelig&p=937943&viewfull=1#post937943)
The Stand Uncut - £14.95/£16.95 - Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?377-Your-New-Pride-and-Joy!&p=411830&viewfull=1#post411830)
Four Past Midnight - £14.95/£14.99 - Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?18803-Book-Collection-zelig&p=881700&viewfull=1#post881700)
Nightmares & Dreamscapes - £15.99/£16.99 - Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?377-Your-New-Pride-and-Joy!&p=433306&viewfull=1#post433306)
Black House - Black/White DJ's - Catalog (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Stephen+King+First+Editions:Bla ck+House+-+Trade+HC+UK)
From a Buick 8 - Alternate DJ art - Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?9403-Book-Collection-ur2ndbiggestfan&p=726500&viewfull=1#post726500)
TWTTK - WHSmith - Catalog (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Stephen+King+First+Editions:Win d+Through+The+Keyhole+The+-+Trade+UK)
11/22/63 - Red/Grey lettering - Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?18803-Book-Collection-zelig&p=885215&viewfull=1#post885215)
Doctor Sleep - WHSmith - Catalog (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Stephen+King+First+Editions:Doc tor+Sleep+-+Trade+Hardcover+UK&redirect=no)
Mr. Mercedes - WHSmith
Revival - WHSmith - Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?18767-Revival-UK-Limited-edition&p=883733&viewfull=1#post883733)
Finders Keepers - WHSmith - Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/custom/images/1441212814-FindersKeepersWH.jpg)
The Bazaar of Bad Dreams - WHSmith - Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/custom/images/1454679060-UK%20Bazaar%20of%20Bad%20Dreams%20WHSmith_zpspsgeu ebc.jpg)
End of Watch - WHSmith - Link (http://btmedia.whsmith.co.uk/pws/client/images/catalogue/products/9781/47/3634008/xlarge/9781473634008_1.jpg)


UK Book Variants

Rose Madder - Blood drop endpapers
Doctor Sleep - Waterstones - Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?18848-Stephen-King-Dust-Jacket-Book-and-Proof-Variants&p=885321&viewfull=1#post885321)
Revival - Waterstones (blue page edges) - Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?18767-Revival-UK-Limited-edition&p=883733&viewfull=1#post883733)


UK Proof DJ's


The Tommyknockers - Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?443-Stephen-King-Proofs&p=902604&viewfull=1#post902604)
Four Past Midnight - Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?18848-Stephen-King-Dust-Jacket-Book-and-Proof-Variants&p=908006&viewfull=1#post908006)
The Dark Half - Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?18803-Book-Collection-zelig&p=881830&viewfull=1#post881830)
On Writing - Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?1283-Stephen-King-Collecting-Questions&p=626492&viewfull=1#post626492)
Lisey's Story - Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?1283-Stephen-King-Collecting-Questions&p=626492&viewfull=1#post626492)
Hearts in Atlantis - Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?443-Stephen-King-Proofs&p=607037&viewfull=1#post607037)


BCE's

Cell - Larger shoe on spine - Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Stephen+King+First+Editions:Cel l+-+Trade+HC&viewfull=1&page=1&do=comments#post774432), Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?1283-Stephen-King-Collecting-Questions&p=887246&viewfull=1#post887246), Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?1283-Stephen-King-Collecting-Questions&p=887259&viewfull=1#post887259)
Insomnoa - Red boards and black boards with white pastedowns. Gold "SK" stamping. Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?18848-Stephen-King-Dust-Jacket-Book-and-Proof-Variants&p=1004170&viewfull=1#post1004170)

Room 217 Caretaker
11-23-2014, 12:41 PM
I think #13 Black House UK should be Black/White.

Great thread by the way. I love variants.

Mulleins

Mr. Rabbit Trick
11-23-2014, 12:48 PM
Waterstones did not have variant jackets, did they? I thought they were exactly the same as the normal H&S versions.

The books themselves has "extras".

jonp
11-23-2014, 12:50 PM
It's not a variant Dust jacket but it's in the list above. I have posted below a photo of the two variant endpages of the UK Rose Madder 1st HB. The blood drop on the Rose endpage state also has a cotton bound-in bookmark which is not present in the black endpage state.
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y496/fenpad/IMG_3761_zpse0e7602d.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/fenpad/media/IMG_3761_zpse0e7602d.jpg.html)

zelig
11-23-2014, 12:56 PM
I think #13 Black House UK should be Black/White.

Great thread by the way. I love variants.

Mulleins

Yes, you're right. That was a mistake and I've corrected it in the list. Thanks!

jonp
11-23-2014, 12:56 PM
Yep, No: 13 should be Black/White for Black House as below.
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y496/fenpad/IMG_3762_zps94143223.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/fenpad/media/IMG_3762_zps94143223.jpg.html)

zelig
11-23-2014, 01:04 PM
Waterstones did not have variant jackets, did they? I thought they were exactly the same as the normal H&S versions.

The books themselves has "extras".

I'm not sure which one you're referring to, but I know there was a Waterstones DJ for Revival, and for Doctor Sleep, there was one too. Pictures below. Looks like the same DJ as the regular Hodder 1st, but it has that sticker at the bottom right. And then there's the "author note" on the inside that is referred to on the sticker.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c330/zelig7/IMG_2019_zpscff56b4d.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c330/zelig7/IMG_2020_zps654b7fe2.jpg

CyberGhostface
11-23-2014, 01:11 PM
Yep, No: 13 should be Black/White for Black House as below.
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y496/fenpad/IMG_3762_zps94143223.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/fenpad/media/IMG_3762_zps94143223.jpg.html)

I really like the white cover.

jonp
11-23-2014, 01:21 PM
UK Nightmares and Dreamscapes - 1st State has a DJ priced at £15.99 and has the house illustration facing page 448 and the 2nd state has a DJ priced £16.99 and has the house illustration facing page 433.
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y496/fenpad/IMG_3763_zps6baa60a6.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/fenpad/media/IMG_3763_zps6baa60a6.jpg.html)
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y496/fenpad/IMG_3764_zps30ab7804.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/fenpad/media/IMG_3764_zps30ab7804.jpg.html)

Is it just me or does photo bucket now refuse to rotate photos. Aaargh!

Randall Flagg
11-23-2014, 01:23 PM
Is it just me or does photo bucket now refuse to rotate photos. Aaargh!
You uploaded it that way.

jonp
11-23-2014, 01:24 PM
The Waterstones editions of Doctor Sleep and Revival Dust jackets are as the trade 1st editions. It is the books only that differ, as in Doctor Sleep an extra author's note and Revival blue edges to the pages.

jonp
11-23-2014, 01:26 PM
Is it just me or does photo bucket now refuse to rotate photos. Aaargh!
You uploaded it that way.

I used to be able to rotate the photos around but now they have upgraded the site it refuses to do it or just rotates them a quarter turn.

Scoogs
11-23-2014, 01:27 PM
Aren't there only two version of The Eyes of the Dragon, smooth and embossed?
From what I see in the catalog, the three printer variants only affect the copyright page.

zelig
11-23-2014, 01:29 PM
The Waterstones editions of Doctor Sleep and Revival Dust jackets are as the trade 1st editions. It is the books only that differ, as in Doctor Sleep an extra author's note and Revival blue edges to the pages.

Ah, okay. Good point. I think we should have some flexibility on this for the thread to include variants that may not be limited to DJ's. The vast majority are DJ variants but in the case of the UK Rose Madder and what you just mentioned for example, I think it's a good idea to include those as well.

Randall Flagg
11-23-2014, 01:30 PM
Aren't there only two version of The Eyes of the Dragon, smooth and embossed?
From what I see in the catalog, the three printer variants only affect the copyright page.
The dj's are all the same. People think there are variants, but the coloring difference is due to fading. Obviously different printers on the CR page isn't a dj variance issue.

Lurker
11-23-2014, 01:37 PM
This looks like a great thread for a question I've had for a while; maybe it's been discussed somewhere else and I missed it...

I have a UK FDNS that has "Harry Streeter" instead of Dave Streeter" on the inside flap. Did they ever put out a DJ with the name corrected?

jonp
11-23-2014, 01:40 PM
This looks like a great thread for a question I've had for a while; maybe it's been discussed somewhere else and I missed it...

I have a UK FDNS that has "Harry Streeter" instead of Dave Streeter" on the inside flap. Did they ever put out a DJ with the name corrected?

Mine says Harry Streeter.

zelig
11-23-2014, 01:57 PM
This looks like a great thread for a question I've had for a while; maybe it's been discussed somewhere else and I missed it...

I have a UK FDNS that has "Harry Streeter" instead of Dave Streeter" on the inside flap. Did they ever put out a DJ with the name corrected?

Mine says Harry Streeter.

Didn't know about this. I'll add it to the list.

zelig
11-23-2014, 02:05 PM
Actually we should probably confirm whether there was a correct DJ issued before it's considered a variant.

Br!an
11-23-2014, 02:28 PM
Great idea for a thread. Positive rep coming your way.

I suggest that the list be divided into separate categories, so that the various different variants can be grouped together for ease of reference. e.g. US 1sts, US proofs, Uk 1sts, UK proofs, etc., even BCE variants like the larger shoe on the spine of Cell.

Perhaps we could also add links to the catalog in addition to the various thread links. The catalog often has information about the variants.

Sir_Boomme
11-23-2014, 02:57 PM
not sure if you would classify these as variants.... They are more proofs of the jackets...
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/sir_boomme/My%20Book%20Collection/sk-Doubleday/A3-PROOFCOVERS.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/sir_boomme/My%20Book%20Collection/sk-Doubleday/A0-PROOFCOVERS.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/sir_boomme/My%20Book%20Collection/sk-Doubleday/A1-PROOFCOVERS.jpg

jhanic
11-23-2014, 03:00 PM
I think those would be classified as proof dust jackets. I have a number of proof jackets with the only difference being there is a zero price on them. I wouldn't call them variants.

John

Sir_Boomme
11-23-2014, 03:01 PM
(the white stand is a publisher mockup for the limited edition)

zelig
11-23-2014, 03:07 PM
Great idea for a thread. Positive rep coming your way.

I suggest that the list be divided into separate categories, so that the various different variants can be grouped together for ease of reference. e.g. US 1sts, US proofs, Uk 1sts, UK proofs, etc., even BCE variants like the larger shoe on the spine of Cell.

Perhaps we could also add links to the catalog in addition to the various thread links. The catalog often has information about the variants.

Thanks! Looks like I've given myself a new job here. Makes sense what you're saying. I'll make some updates to the list.

Sir_Boomme
11-23-2014, 03:07 PM
I think those would be classified as proof dust jackets. I have a number of proof jackets with the only difference being there is a zero price on them. I wouldn't call them variants.

John

I agree they are proofs... but they definitely differ more than just no price....
the rose madder one is very different, in the letter coloring, size and type

note that the 2nd four past midnight has different spine lettering and a different author photo on the back

the Regulator/Desperation look pretty much the same...missing the UPC codes though

zelig
11-23-2014, 03:14 PM
I think those would be classified as proof dust jackets. I have a number of proof jackets with the only difference being there is a zero price on them. I wouldn't call them variants.

John

Hmm... I don't know whether to continue to keep track of proof DJ's in the list. Now that I see these photos from Sir_Boomme, I think it could become unwieldy trying to keep track of them all. Although I do like that they're documented here... I'm open to advice on that front... I never even knew about many of those proof DJ's...

zelig
11-23-2014, 03:39 PM
Great idea for a thread. Positive rep coming your way.

I suggest that the list be divided into separate categories, so that the various different variants can be grouped together for ease of reference. e.g. US 1sts, US proofs, Uk 1sts, UK proofs, etc., even BCE variants like the larger shoe on the spine of Cell.

Perhaps we could also add links to the catalog in addition to the various thread links. The catalog often has information about the variants.

Thanks! Looks like I've given myself a new job here. Makes sense what you're saying. I'll make some updates to the list.

Okay, I found the inspiration and have now re-organized the list. Also included links to the catalog where applicable. And for now, I've included the proof DJ's. I'm sure the list will continue to evolve...Now I'm going to rest... :smile:

Br!an
11-23-2014, 04:45 PM
Nice! Ya done good! :thumbsup:

You've earned a nap. :yawn:

zelig
12-08-2014, 12:30 PM
Happened to come across this (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?14300-Book-Collection-needfulthings&p=688186&viewfull=1#post688186). Never seen that before, and could possibly be a misprint per Michaël's comment lower down.

Randall Flagg
12-08-2014, 12:33 PM
Happened to come across this (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?14300-Book-Collection-needfulthings&p=688186&viewfull=1#post688186). Never seen that before, and could possibly be a misprint per Michaël's comment lower down.
Which book? Link takes to entire collection.

jonp
12-08-2014, 12:35 PM
Bachman Books I guess

zelig
12-08-2014, 12:35 PM
Happened to come across this (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?14300-Book-Collection-needfulthings&p=688186&viewfull=1#post688186). Never seen that before, and could possibly be a misprint per Michaël's comment lower down.
Which book? Link takes to entire collection.

The Bachman Books. That link takes me directly to post #583.

jhanic
12-08-2014, 04:33 PM
Here's a dust jacket error (I don't know what else to call it) for The Bachman Books. It's missing the color completely:

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr60/johnhanic/Other_items/BachmanBookswithdustjacketerror_zps72881b94.jpg (http://s469.photobucket.com/user/johnhanic/media/Other_items/BachmanBookswithdustjacketerror_zps72881b94.jpg.ht ml)

John

zelig
12-08-2014, 04:36 PM
Interesting. Thanks for posting it.

zelig
12-25-2014, 11:02 AM
I was browsing Steve's collection thread, and came across this post (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?9403-Book-Collection-ur2ndbiggestfan&p=655021&viewfull=1#post655021) from Bill. Picture copied below.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c330/zelig7/005bez_zps685cb26b.jpg

Is it just me, or is that gold lettering?

These are the two states I know of (red and grey):

http://www.thedarktower.org/custom/images/1329655989-IMG_0549.JPG

Any idea on this?

Joe315
12-25-2014, 11:16 AM
There also this one on liljas site. Could be a proof jacket though.

http://www.liljas-library.com/img/other/11-22-63_uk_dustjacket.jpg

jonp
12-25-2014, 11:19 AM
Yes, there are two variants, with the silver variant being scarce. I only have the red, I think Michael also has the silver. I have been looking out on eBay since I've known about it but have not seen one.

zelig
12-25-2014, 11:30 AM
Okay, but what about that gold one I posted? I know about the silver (which I'm guessing is the silver you mentioned) and the red. What about that gold one?

jonp
12-25-2014, 11:34 AM
I have seen photos of the red edition where the flash reflects off the red lettering to make it appear gold. Could be that, but it generally only reflects on part of the lettering?

zelig
12-25-2014, 11:40 AM
Yeah, it's odd. All the letters look gold. Even the text above it. Maybe Bill can shed some light on this.

jhanic
12-25-2014, 01:50 PM
I wrote H&S about the two colors of dust jackets and this was the reply:



We only had one finished jacket for the hardback - but maybe we proofed one in different coloured lettering before deciding to change it. I know that the lettering was white on the proof. Maybe that is the answer.


John

zelig
12-25-2014, 02:01 PM
Maybe the "white" they are referring to is the grey version. Still doesn't explain the gold one. Unless it's just an anomaly with how the photo was taken.

stroppygoblin
02-03-2015, 02:52 PM
Four Past Midnight - Gold embossed version

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad223/stroppygoblin/2DB55465-6BC7-474B-9D10-2160E2BA97D7_zps8oskepmd.jpg (http://s938.photobucket.com/user/stroppygoblin/media/2DB55465-6BC7-474B-9D10-2160E2BA97D7_zps8oskepmd.jpg.html)

I also include a picture of the CP to compare to the Black embossed one to see if there are printer differences.
http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad223/stroppygoblin/5ACC11F7-1BC6-427E-A298-136719084A29_zpseecuatzv.jpg (http://s938.photobucket.com/user/stroppygoblin/media/5ACC11F7-1BC6-427E-A298-136719084A29_zpseecuatzv.jpg.html)

zelig
02-03-2015, 02:55 PM
Thanks for posting that Simon. This thread doesn't get updated too often, and most variants that surface tend to appear in places like collection threads. I do actually keep the 1st post with the main list updated whenever I see a new variant come up, as in this case. jonp had mentioned this one here (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?18338-Book-Collection-jonp&p=899231&viewfull=1#post899231), where you can see the non-gold version.

jonp
02-03-2015, 02:59 PM
This is the CP page of the black embossed variant (sorry for the crap photo)
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y496/fenpad/IMG_4123_zpslw9v4rdl.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/fenpad/media/IMG_4123_zpslw9v4rdl.jpg.html)

jonp
02-03-2015, 03:01 PM
Looks the same to me.

stroppygoblin
02-03-2015, 03:01 PM
Ok CP's are identical then.

zelig
02-03-2015, 03:01 PM
Yeah, I checked mine and it looks the same. So just the front board is different.

jhanic
02-03-2015, 03:38 PM
Is the lettering on the spines also different or are they the same?

John

zelig
02-03-2015, 03:39 PM
Lettering on the spine is the same. I have the black version, and spine lettering is gold on it.

jhanic
02-03-2015, 03:40 PM
Thanks, Paul.

John

stroppygoblin
02-03-2015, 04:17 PM
I wonder if this is more likely to be a production flaw? Maybe the stamping machine was not loaded with the foil and it just stamped it 'blank' ?

zelig
02-03-2015, 04:19 PM
I wonder if this is more likely to be a production flaw? Maybe the stamping machine was not loaded with the foil and it just stamped it 'blank' ?

Could be... I supposed there's no way of knowing for sure...

needfulthings
02-03-2015, 09:33 PM
The Regulators 1st Edition CANADA VIKING / U.S.A. DUTTON.
http://imageshack.com/a/img844/7808/88t3.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img538/1629/RfieoS.jpghttp://imageshack.com/a/img661/6256/jyrQyx.jpg

jonp
02-19-2015, 02:53 AM
The three different book variants for the US first of The Black House, 'Q', 'DC' and 'DH' codes (?printer codes)

http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y496/fenpad/IMG_4113_zpsgkyhi20q.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/fenpad/media/IMG_4113_zpsgkyhi20q.jpg.html)
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y496/fenpad/IMG_4116_zpspuk5nsfg.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/fenpad/media/IMG_4116_zpspuk5nsfg.jpg.html)http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y496/fenpad/IMG_4181_zpshompwtmm.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/fenpad/media/IMG_4181_zpshompwtmm.jpg.html)http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y496/fenpad/IMG_4194_zpsmztpdb96.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/fenpad/media/IMG_4194_zpsmztpdb96.jpg.html)

herbertwest
02-19-2015, 07:42 AM
Should those really be considered variants?
Isnt it more like something related to the book printer?

racerx45
02-19-2015, 08:39 AM
Should those really be considered variants?
Isnt it more like something related to the book printer?

Interesting questions.

I guess it is all how you look at it. For me I think of variants as dust jackets that used different color text, or copy right pages that designate which printer printed the books, or the ‘bookstore’ vs. ‘Barnes and Noble’ references on Revival. So anything that is a purposeful change or variation. Everything else I think of as errors, for example the Four Past Midnight books that don’t have the gold ‘SK’ on the cover board, I think it is an error not a variation. Don’t get me wrong I love seeing both the variants and the errors. I guess someone could change the tread title to include ‘errors’.

zelig
02-19-2015, 08:46 AM
I'd include the Black House variants. The idea behind starting this thread was to document all the variations of a book. Basically everything you see organized into sections on the main list shown in the first post of the thread. Printing errors, I hadn't accounted for but I'd like to see those here as well. I'd imagine there will be so few of these that it won't be an issue. I don't have a separate section for that in the list though. The Four Past Midnight ones for example, I've listed under "Book Variants".

zelig
03-11-2015, 08:22 PM
I've been keeping the main list in the first post updated whenever I see a variant that isn't documented. I recently got this DJ and noticed it wasn't in the list. I've added it now.

This is a proof DJ of the 1st UK edition of Four Past Midnight. The differences are on the front and back flaps.

The one on the left is the proof.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c330/zelig7/IMG_2968_zpsif4pqity.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c330/zelig7/IMG_2969_zpsuwitwasn.jpg

racerx45
03-11-2015, 08:57 PM
Very cool

herbertwest
03-11-2015, 11:56 PM
Wondering if books that have been recalled should be in this thread or not?

Last year, the french mass paperback of FULL DARK NO STARS, was published then quickly recalled because of some editorial problems (to be short, the text published wasnt the one supposed to be).
Here are the two covers :


I am sure that there must be similar stories for other books, and even more interesting.
Left to right : recalled, then published (I stll have the two versions)

http://club-stephenking.fr/img/NEWS/janvier/2014/Couverture_Nuit_noire_-toiles_mortes_LeLivreDePoche.jpg http://club-stephenking.fr/img/NEWS/avril/2014/nuit-noire-etoiles-mortes--lldp--v2-2014.jpg

And the published ebook version of the short story "Under the weather" (they didnt change the color)
http://club-stephenking.fr/img/NEWS/janvier/2014/a-la-dure/a-la-dure-stephenking-livredepoche.jpg

carlosdetweiller
03-12-2015, 04:00 AM
I've been keeping the main list in the first post updated whenever I see a variant that isn't documented. I recently got this DJ and noticed it wasn't in the list. I've added it now.

This is a proof DJ of the 1st UK edition of Four Past Midnight. The differences are on the front and back flaps.


I'm guessing that the proof dj came on a copy of Twice The Power. Is that right?

jonp
03-12-2015, 09:08 AM
I've been keeping the main list in the first post updated whenever I see a variant that isn't documented. I recently got this DJ and noticed it wasn't in the list. I've added it now.

This is a proof DJ of the 1st UK edition of Four Past Midnight. The differences are on the front and back flaps.


I'm guessing that the proof dj came on a copy of Twice The Power. Is that right?

Mine came folded in a Hodder promo pack advertising Four Past Midnight.

zelig
03-12-2015, 09:17 AM
I've been keeping the main list in the first post updated whenever I see a variant that isn't documented. I recently got this DJ and noticed it wasn't in the list. I've added it now.

This is a proof DJ of the 1st UK edition of Four Past Midnight. The differences are on the front and back flaps.


I'm guessing that the proof dj came on a copy of Twice The Power. Is that right?

Mine came folded in a Hodder promo pack advertising Four Past Midnight.

Yes, that's where it comes from. It's included in the promo pack.

zelig
03-12-2015, 09:19 AM
Wondering if books that have been recalled should be in this thread or not?

Sure, I suppose it's fine to include it since it is a variant. I haven't been tracking other language editions though. Interesting to see the cover and thanks for posting it. I like that cover effect.

carlosdetweiller
03-12-2015, 11:46 AM
I've been keeping the main list in the first post updated whenever I see a variant that isn't documented. I recently got this DJ and noticed it wasn't in the list. I've added it now.

This is a proof DJ of the 1st UK edition of Four Past Midnight. The differences are on the front and back flaps.


I'm guessing that the proof dj came on a copy of Twice The Power. Is that right?

Mine came folded in a Hodder promo pack advertising Four Past Midnight.

Yes, that's where it comes from. It's included in the promo pack.

One of my copies of Twice The Power has that proof dust jacket on it. I don't have the promo pack so I was wondering.

jhanic
03-12-2015, 11:55 AM
I have the promo pack with the dust jacket. I never thought to compare the two, thopugh.

John

jhanic
06-07-2015, 02:14 PM
A question came in today in Tomas' site, the SK Collector. The questioner asked if what he had was a second printing, because it had a different printer than his other copy. Both started the number line with a "1". One printer was R.R. Donnelly & Sons Company while the other was Quebecor Printing Fairfield. I haven't checked my copies to see which I have.

John

jonp
06-07-2015, 02:17 PM
A question came in today in Tomas' site, the SK Collector. The questioner asked if what he had was a second printing, because it had a different printer than his other copy. Both started the number line with a "1". One printer was R.R. Donnelly & Sons Company while the other was Quebecor Printing Fairfield. I haven't checked my copies to see which I have.

John

Which book is this for John?

jonp
06-07-2015, 02:20 PM
Just found it, Rose madder! I will check.

jonp
06-07-2015, 02:23 PM
My copy is Quebecor Printing Fairfield. It has a full number line.

zelig
06-07-2015, 02:27 PM
My copy is Quebecor Printing Fairfield. It has a full number line.

Mine too. So if there's a report of "R.R. Donnelly & Sons Company", then this could be a printer variant we weren't aware of right?

Randall Flagg
06-07-2015, 02:40 PM
My copy is Quebecor Printing Fairfield. It has a full number line.

Mine too. So if there's a report of "R.R. Donnelly & Sons Company", then this could be a printer variant we weren't aware of right?
I have the rarer "R.R. Donnelly...." books. Purportedly there were 900,000 printed by Quebecor, and only 750,000 printed by R.R. Donnelly...

jonp
06-07-2015, 02:44 PM
Damn! If they're that rare I'll never find one!

zelig
06-07-2015, 02:46 PM
I'll add this to the main list.

Edit: Thanks for posting this here John.

Randall Flagg
06-07-2015, 02:48 PM
I'll add this to the main list.
Please don't quote the printing quantities I mentioned. Top secret.

zelig
06-07-2015, 02:54 PM
Funny.

jhanic
06-07-2015, 04:46 PM
A question came in today in Tomas' site, the SK Collector. The questioner asked if what he had was a second printing, because it had a different printer than his other copy. Both started the number line with a "1". One printer was R.R. Donnelly & Sons Company while the other was Quebecor Printing Fairfield. I haven't checked my copies to see which I have.

John

Which book is this for John?

As was reported, Rose Madder. Another senior moment!

John

Bev Vincent
06-07-2015, 05:19 PM
I think that multiple printers as often used to satisfy huge first printings. The question is whether it's always possible to tell.

Sir_Boomme
06-07-2015, 08:22 PM
I was browsing Steve's collection thread, and came across this post (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?9403-Book-Collection-ur2ndbiggestfan&p=655021&viewfull=1#post655021) from Bill. Picture copied below.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c330/zelig7/005bez_zps685cb26b.jpg

Is it just me, or is that gold lettering?

These are the two states I know of (red and grey):

http://www.thedarktower.org/custom/images/1329655989-IMG_0549.JPG

Any idea on this?




this made me curious... so I went and looked at all my copies... the two regular 1st edition copies I got from amazon, both are red lettered.
the two copies I have that are part of the Collector's Set: Limited Edition & DVD slipcased edition.... both are white.


I think that might be the difference.
perhaps they had extra jackets from the collector's set... that they put on non-collector set books?

needfulthings
06-07-2015, 09:34 PM
BACK OF REVIVAL DUST JACKET.
http://imageshack.com/a/img661/754/qrCEZx.jpg
BACK OF BARNES & NOBLE REVIVAL DUST JACKET.
http://imageshack.com/a/img909/5640/3Ldsjo.jpg

jonp
06-12-2015, 09:03 AM
After it was found that there are at least two printer variants of Rose Madder, I thought it was possibly time to see if some of us could get together and compare information on the copyright pages. Unfortunately, I do not have all the US firsts, only about half, so I need help from some of you to compare with my list below and also to fill in some of the gaps. Where I have put below 'No Printers mentioned', these titles DO NOT need to be checked. Only the ones with notes or question marks.
Tomas at TheCollector wishes to input the data into his first edition catalog, I will transfer any variant findings into the TDT.org catalog into the comments sections. Thank you in advance for your help.


Carrie - No Printer Mentioned
'Salem's Lot - No Printer Mentioned
The Shining - No Printer Mentioned
The Stand (Edited) - No Printer Mentioned
Night Shift - No Printer Mentioned
The Dead Zone - No Printer Mentioned
Firestarter - No Printer Mentioned
Danse Macabre - No Printer Mentioned
Cujo - No Printer Mentioned
Different Seasons - No Printer Mentioned
Christine - No Printer Mentioned
Pet Sematary - No Printer Mentioned
The Talisman - R.R. Donnelley & Son Company, Harrisonburg, Virginia
Thinner - No Printer Mentioned
Skeleton Crew - No Printer Mentioned
The Bachman Books - No Printer Mentioned
It - R.R. Donnelley & Son, Harrisonburg, Virginia
Eyes of the Dragon - Arcata Graphics Fairfield, Pennsylvania OR Arcata Graphics Hawkins County, Tennessee OR Haddon Craftsmen, Scranton, Pennsylvania.
Misery - R.R. Donnelley & Son, Harrisonburg, Virginia OR Arcata Graphics, Fairfield, Pennsylvania
The Tommyknockers - No Printer Mentioned
The Dark Half - No Printer Mentioned
Four Past Midnight - No Printer Mentioned
The Stand (Uncut) - BVG code at the bottom of copyright page (this seems to be the normal)
Needful Things - R.R. Donnelley & Son, Harrisonburg, Virginia OR Arcata Graphics, Fairfield
Gerald's Game - R.R. Donnelley & Son Company OR Book Press, Inc
Dolores Claiborne - R.R. Donnelley & Son Company OR Arcata Graphics, Fairfield OR Arcata Graphics, Martinsburg
Nightmares And Dreamscapes - Arcata Graphics, Fairfield OR R.R. Donnelley & Son Company
Insomnia - Arcata Graphics Fairfield, Pennsylvania OR R.R. Donnelley & Son, Harrisonburg, Virginia
Rose Madder - Quebecor Printing, Fairfield OR R.R. Donnelley & Son Company
The Green Mile (Complete) - No Printer Mentioned
Desperation - Quebecor Printing, Fairfield OR Quebecor Printing, Martinsburg
The Regulators - No Printer Mentioned
Bag of Bones - No Printer Mentioned
The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon - No Printer Mentioned
Hearts in Atlantis - No Printer Mentioned
On Writing - No Printer Mentioned
Dreamcatcher - No Printer Mentioned
Black House - Q, DC, DH codes on copyright page (assumed to be printers codes - Q could be Quebecor Printing Fairfield? DH - could be Donnelley Harrisonburg? - DC? ?)
Everything's Eventual - No Printer Mentioned
From a Buick 8 - No Printer Mentioned
Faithful - No Printer Mentioned
'Salem's Lot (Illustrated) - No Printer Mentioned
Cell - No Printer Mentioned
Lisey's Story - No Printer Mentioned
Blaze - No Printer Mentioned
Duma Key - No Printer Mentioned
Just After Sunset - No Printer Mentioned
Under the Dome - No Printer Mentioned
Full Dark No Stars - No Printer Mentioned
11/22/63 - No Printer Mentioned
Wind Through The Keyhole - No Printer Mentioned
Doctor Sleep - No Printer Mentioned
Mr. Mercedes - No Printer Mentioned
Revival - No Printer Mentioned
Finders Keepers - No Printer Mentioned

All DT books - No Printer Mentioned

zelig
06-12-2015, 09:21 AM
Jon, checked my copies and found two printer variants as follows:

Misery - "Arcata Graphics, Fairfield, Pennsylvania"
Needful Things - "Arcata Graphics, Fairfield"

They show exactly as I've written them in the quotes.

jonp
06-12-2015, 09:27 AM
Thanks Paul. I have edited my post with them.

zelig
06-12-2015, 09:32 AM
I also went ahead and updated the master list in the 1st post of this thread.

jonp
06-12-2015, 01:32 PM
It looks like there are more printers variants of US 1st editions than we thought. EOTD (3), Misery (2) , Needful Things (2), Gerald's Game (2), Dolores Claiborne (3), Insomnia (2), Rose Madder (2) and Black House (3) all have multiple printers variants.
Possible variants as printer listed on the copyright pages in The Talisman, It and Desperation. It seems to be if a copyright page lists a printer there is a variant - I know that's a big assumption.

Still unconfirmed Carrie, 'Salem's Lot, The Stand, Night Shift, Cujo, Nightmares and Dreamscapes, WTTKH and Finders Keepers. It is unlikely that the early books were produced in large enough numbers to need multiple printers.

biomieg
06-12-2015, 01:42 PM
Jon and Paul, you guys are insane and therefore true assets to this community of bibliophile weirdos. Thank you for all your efforts!

Br!an
06-12-2015, 04:02 PM
This is going to cost me more money!

jhanic
06-12-2015, 05:06 PM
Funny, but I don't have any desire to try to get each of the printer variants. It's just me.

John

zelig
06-12-2015, 05:57 PM
Funny, but I don't have any desire to try to get each of the printer variants. It's just me.

John

With all these newly discovered ones, I kinda feel the same way. I mean, it's interesting to find out about them, and I do feel it would be nice to have them all because of the completist in me, but at the same time the effort required to hunt them down kind of exhausts me just thinking about it. I'm looking forward though to seeing updates from Jon because my guess is he will go after them! Jon I will be cheering you on buddy.

WeDealInLead
06-12-2015, 06:01 PM
Funny, but I don't have any desire to try to get each of the printer variants. It's just me.

John

Same. There could be seven variations of Tommyknockers but at the end of the day, it's still Tommyknockers and one copy of that book is enough. A full US first edition set is no less complete without the variants.

zelig
06-12-2015, 06:15 PM
Funny, but I don't have any desire to try to get each of the printer variants. It's just me.

John

Same. There could be seven variations of Tommyknockers but at the end of the day, it's still Tommyknockers and one copy of that book is enough. A full US first edition set is no less complete without the variants.

Well, I'm just referring to all these new printer variants. There are definitely certain let's say "non-printer variants" that I would still want in my collection. DJ variants for sure and book variants like the blue pages edges. Things like that.

jhanic
06-12-2015, 06:18 PM
Funny, but I don't have any desire to try to get each of the printer variants. It's just me.

John

Same. There could be seven variations of Tommyknockers but at the end of the day, it's still Tommyknockers and one copy of that book is enough. A full US first edition set is no less complete without the variants.

Well, I'm just referring to all these new printer variants. There are definitely certain let's say "non-printer variants" that I would still want in my collection. DJ variants for sure and book variants like the blue pages edges. Things like that.

I agree, Paul. It's just the printer variants I have no use for. If there were some other difference between them, then okay, but just a different printer--no thanks.

John

Merlin1958
06-12-2015, 08:34 PM
Variants just vex me. I can't really get involved. I get my US 1/1 and my UK 1/1 and thank the collecting, Gods.

jonp
06-12-2015, 09:25 PM
Funny, but I don't have any desire to try to get each of the printer variants. It's just me.

John

I'm beginning to feel that way too. I didn't realise there were potentially this many. I chased down the printer variants of Black House and EOTD. There is just no need to get all these other printers variants (at least at the moment), too many other books to chase. I might get the two printers variants of Insomnia if they have different DJs. I am at the moment just trying to get one copy of each US 1st, boost my proofs and get new releases. I just don't have shelf space to get all these. And these are just ones I know about!! There are bound to be more. These are ones for the TOTAL completist, but interesting to know and get the information out there just in case someone does want to pursue these.

zelig
06-13-2015, 08:20 AM
Yes, I do agree that it's good to document these so that the information is available for whoever is interested in it.

Brian861
04-11-2016, 12:35 AM
Paul. Could you please update post #1 with TBOBD WHSmith variant?

zelig
04-11-2016, 08:04 AM
Paul. Could you please update post #1 with TBOBD WHSmith variant?

Updated. Thanks for the reminder.

Brian861
04-11-2016, 09:49 AM
Thanks!

Brian861
04-12-2016, 03:23 AM
Possible variant or is the red just rubbed off the lettering in King's name?

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/500/medium/NT_Possible_Variant.jpg

Randall Flagg
04-12-2016, 04:56 AM
Faded or rubbed IMO.

Brian861
04-12-2016, 08:38 AM
Faded or rubbed IMO.

Thanks. Haven't ever seen one in this state before and I'm pretty sure you guys would have discovered any variants by now. Thought I'd double check all the same though.

Brian861
04-13-2016, 08:34 PM
Faded or rubbed IMO.

Thanks. Haven't ever seen one in this state before and I'm pretty sure you guys would have discovered any variants by now. Thought I'd double check all the same though.

The seller got back to me and it turns out that the flash from the camera caused the appearance. That indeed the red lettering is still in place.

jonp
04-24-2016, 01:53 AM
Looks like there's going to be another purple WHSmith variant of End Of Watch

http://btmedia.whsmith.co.uk/pws/client/images/catalogue/products/9781/47/3634008/xlarge/9781473634008_1.jpg
http://btmedia.whsmith.co.uk/pws/client/images/catalogue/products/9781/47/3634008/xlarge/9781473634008_2.jpg

Order page

http://www.whsmith.co.uk/products/end-of-watch/9781473634008

zelig
04-24-2016, 08:49 AM
Looks like there's going to be another purple WHSmith variant of End Of Watch

http://btmedia.whsmith.co.uk/pws/client/images/catalogue/products/9781/47/3634008/xlarge/9781473634008_1.jpg
http://btmedia.whsmith.co.uk/pws/client/images/catalogue/products/9781/47/3634008/xlarge/9781473634008_2.jpg

Order page

http://www.whsmith.co.uk/products/end-of-watch/9781473634008

Thanks for posting Jon. I updated the 1st post in the thread.

Sir_Boomme
04-24-2016, 09:02 AM
anyone in the UK want to order me a couple of copies of the Waterstone Watch eds? Site's not letting me enter my data I the order form (doesn't recognize US phone numbers).
I can paypal you the money for the books and any shipping costs... IM me if so.
Thanks,
Terry

Brian861
04-24-2016, 09:43 AM
Looks like there's going to be another purple WHSmith variant of End Of Watch

http://btmedia.whsmith.co.uk/pws/client/images/catalogue/products/9781/47/3634008/xlarge/9781473634008_1.jpg
http://btmedia.whsmith.co.uk/pws/client/images/catalogue/products/9781/47/3634008/xlarge/9781473634008_2.jpg

Order page

http://www.whsmith.co.uk/products/end-of-watch/9781473634008

Yes, thank you very much, Jon! I love the purple variants of their DJs. PM sent :evil: +1.

jonp
04-24-2016, 09:52 AM
Just sent a PM Terry.

HONKYTONKSMASH
04-24-2016, 11:10 AM
I would also be interested if someone could snag me a WH Smith copy of End of Watch

Brian861
05-19-2016, 11:00 PM
Asked this question over on the catalog thread for the US Insomnia. Didn't get a response so I thought I'd check here. Not quite being sure if this was ever resolved or not; I ran across what is supposedly a BCE edition on eBay that has all black boards and no price inside of the DJ. I have both the gray board and the red board copy, each with a price inside of the DJ and a full number line. If the red is considered the BCE, is this one with all black boards considered the revised edition that's mention on the catalog article page? It has the full number line as well. Sorry photos aren't that great as they were taken from what was sent to me by the seller. It seems there never was a definitive answer given to RF's question about the red board edition being considered the official BCE copy. Thanks!

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/500/129.jpg
http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/500/148.jpg

OneFathom
05-22-2016, 02:22 PM
Perhaps it's been discussed before, but can anyone educate me on the value of those early Doubleday dust jackets in which a price sticker was affixed to the dust jacket instead of a printed price? What is their value compared to their printed price counterparts? Thanks for the help!

biomieg
05-23-2016, 03:24 AM
AFAIK this was only done with Night Shift, and I think those were actually Book Club editions that were sold as regular trade editions when the first print run was depleted (?). I don't think they have much value.

I'm pretty sure this was discussed elsewhere but I have no idea where...

I'm sure some of the veterans will chime in :)

OneFathom
05-23-2016, 09:45 AM
AFAIK this was only done with Night Shift, and I think those were actually Book Club editions that were sold as regular trade editions when the first print run was depleted (?). I don't think they have much value.

I'm pretty sure this was discussed elsewhere but I have no idea where...

I'm sure some of the veterans will chime in :)

Thanks for your insight. I've discovered it was also done with 'Salem's Lot. Posted a pic in the "Current Value" thread yesterday.

Brian861
06-07-2016, 07:54 PM
After reading a bit through the Collecting Questions thread, apparently board color can also decide between a BCE and a true 1st/1st. The bottom two photos of Insomnia are the 1st/1st priced DJs with the variant DJs. The top two are what would have to be considered BCE because of no priced DJ. They both do however, have full numberlines just like the 1st/1st. The black board edition I found on eBay and have never seen before. I was issued the red board edition via the SKBC without the priced DJ so I'm assuming it'd definitely be a BCE. Maybe the black board one is a later print for the BCE :confused: The CP is exactly the same in all four copies with the exception of the printer variant in one of the grey board copies. The red and black board copies both have R.R. Donnelley & Son, Harrisonburg, Virginia listed as the printer. Not sure, Paul if you want to update the BCE section with this info or not.

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/500/Insomnia_Variants_1.JPGhttp://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/500/IMG_2229.JPG

zelig
06-08-2016, 07:44 AM
Thanks Brian, yes I will go ahead and update the 1st post with this.

Brian861
06-08-2016, 12:31 PM
Thanks Brian, yes I will go ahead and update the 1st post with this.

Thank you, Sir!

Randall Flagg
06-08-2016, 02:04 PM
Pastedown colors?

I know this is a DJ thread, but the physical books should be Quarter bound in white cloth with grey boards having grey pastedowns or red boards with white pastedowns.
If there is no discernible difference in DJ's that wrapped BCE's or trade 1st's, the book is what matters.
To be a true 1st/1st the book must meet the criteria. The DJ that wraps the book must also meet the criteria.

A "true" BC edition could be some combination of correct and incorrect defining factors.

Brian861
06-08-2016, 02:34 PM
Pastedown colors?

I know this is a DJ thread, but the physical books should be Quarter bound in white cloth with grey boards having grey pastedowns or red boards with white pastedowns.
If there is no discernible difference in DJ's that wrapped BCE's or trade 1st's, the book is what matters.
To be a true 1st/1st the book must meet the criteria. The DJ that wraps the book must also meet the criteria.

A "true" BC edition could be some combination of correct and incorrect defining factors.


Pastedown colors for the books I own are as you have stated above. The black board edition I have has white pastedowns. I know I continue to beat the hell of this dead horse, but is it your opinion, Jerome that the red board editions are true 1st as well? Maybe issued to book club members without a priced DJ to thereby make them BCEs? The photo in the catalog shows a red board copy with a priced DJ but as I've said before; that's an easy manipulation or "bastardization" as have seen it written elsewhere. Cell continues to bother me too but I guess with a different spine color and a larger shoe on the DJ; the combination of correct and incorrect defining factors as you've stated above, comes into play. I don't know. I guess it really doesn't matter as long as you have all copies to cover all bases :-/.

Br!an
06-08-2016, 07:11 PM
The first editions are as stated in the "Catalog." In order to be a first edition and first printing - the most desirable trade edition - the book must have every component required of a 1st/1st.

The book club editions can have various components which are present in the 1st/1st. They will not have them all. e.g., If they had extra page blocks with full numberlines they used them, but the boards or pastedowns, endpapers, gutter codes, size, etc., will be different. If they had a bunch of dustjackets with the price printed on it they used them, or they could have been swapped. etc.

I collect the 1st/1st editions and a few BCE that have unique features. Some people collect everything. It's up to you.

Brian861
06-08-2016, 07:15 PM
The first editions are as stated in the "Catalog." In order to be a first edition and first printing - the most desirable trade edition - the book must have every component required of a 1st/1st.

The book club editions can have various components which are present in the 1st/1st. They will not have them all. e.g., If they had extra page blocks with full numberlines they used them, but the boards or pastedowns, endpapers, gutter codes, size, etc., will be different. If they had a bunch of dustjackets with the price printed on it they used them, or they could have been swapped. etc.

I collect the 1st/1st editions and a few BCE that have unique features. Some people collect everything. It's up to you.

That was my train of though as well on them being unique. Thanks for the info guys!

Cuppa
01-16-2021, 01:45 AM
Wanted to resurrect this thread as I often use it as a reference and have managed to obtain some of the UK variants thanks to the photos contained in here.

So a HUGE thank you for this reference.

Many of the photos posted are no longer accessible though due to the photobucket changes a while ago so wondered if we could refresh the thread with up to date photos if anyone has them?

herbertwest
12-11-2021, 11:39 AM
I dont know if it was mentionned in the previous messages. But I dont see it in the catalog about "Four past midnight" (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Stephen+King+First+Editions:Fou r+Past+Midnight+-+Trade+HC)
Although it seems hinted out on skcollector

Going through an old issue of the SKIN magazine, it says that there are 2 states of "Four past midnight" :



"The SK Stamp on the front bottom corner of the book was intended to have been stamped in gold. Unfortunately halfway during the process the machine ran out of ink. Consequently, a number of these books exists with the imprint of "SK" but not in gold ink. The gold SK is the first state and considered to be the first edition. (althought still not the true first edition... see our article in SKIN 1.8)"


Although I guess I should go back and check the last info.

herbertwest
12-11-2021, 11:42 AM
Also this from another issue, regarding "Rose Madder"


"Even today publishers makes msitakes, as with the original dust jacker proof of Rose Madder. The original DJ proofs which have blank front and back flaps, had already been distributed when King notified Viking of his dissatisfaction with the font size of his name. Viking is presently reprinting this dj, but because of this error, the original proof will not become a collectible. The new versions of the dust jacket will be distributed april 10th"