Best Sci-Fi Tournament - Round 1 Group K

[Heather19]

Note: Although you can vote for a maximum of 6 films in the polls, it doesn't necessarily mean you HAVE to vote for 6. We encourage you to vote only on those you strongly feel deserve to move on to the next round.

Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/22/Invasion_of_the_body_snatchers.jpg

2001 : A Space Odyssey
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0b/2001Style_B.jpg

The Blob (1988 )
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/78/Blobposter.jpg

Altered States
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fc/Altered_states.jpg

The Incredible Shrinking Man
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/71/IncredibleShrinkingMan-poster.jpg/640px-IncredibleShrinkingMan-poster.jpg

Star Wars Episode VI : Return of the Jedi
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b2/ReturnOfTheJediPoster1983.jpg

Seconds
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3a/Seconds_poster.jpg

The Abyss
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ad/TheAbyss.jpg

Barbarella
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f5/Barbarella-french-film-poster.jpg

Gattaca
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bb/Gataca_Movie_Poster_B.jpg

[Heather19]

The Abyss (probably my personal top sci-fi film)
Invasion of the Body Snatchers

[fernandito]

2001 : A Space Odyssey (obviously)
Gattaca
Episode VI
The Abyss

[Ben Staad]

Some amazing movies in this bracket!

Edit: I didn't realize this was the 1988 version of The Blob (Yes, I now see where it clearly states that in the poll). I haven't seen that version of the film so please delete my vote for it. Thanks.

[Mattrick]

Can't vote. Only seen two of them and I don't remember Gattaca well enough to vote for it and I cannot vote for Jedi...I'm with Hurley, the ewoks sucked dude.

[Randall Flagg]

Altered States (still having flashbacks on that movie), 2001 Space Odyssey, and The Abyss. Intentionally left out ROTJ, Sorry Mr. Lucas.

[Still Servant]

Can't vote. Only seen two of them and I don't remember Gattaca well enough to vote for it and I cannot vote for Jedi...I'm with Hurley, the ewoks sucked dude.

You have to watch The Abyss and 2001, Matt.

Also, I've been meaning to mention how much I love those old movie posters. They really are classic and you just don't see them anymore.

[Mattrick]

2001 is going to be the last Kubrick I watch. I have to watch Full Metal Jacket, Lolita and The Killing first. The Abyss my brother has owned on DVD for like a decade and half of that time it's been with my DVD's and I still haven't watched it...I actually wouldn't be surprised to see that it is still with my DVD's.

[Tommy]

2001 is going to be the last Kubrick I watch. I have to watch Full Metal Jacket, Lolita and The Killing first. The Abyss my brother has owned on DVD for like a decade and half of that time it's been with my DVD's and I still haven't watched it...I actually wouldn't be surprised to see that it is still with my DVD's.

Full Metal Jacket and Lolita are my least favorite Kubrick movies but The Killing is essential!

Have you seen Fear and Desire, Killer's Kiss, The Seafarers, Day of the Flight and the Flying Padre?

[mae]

Coming soon:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3cZJ3iURzk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTaQ-oKHvp8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXgQ2QcKG-k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67lYG7a4YOA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETajEa2ZGrE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsDwpF3uiZI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-vmD-vhh4I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLbv-xIKbv0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6TgV2JAeJw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpzVFdDeWyo

[mae]

Going with:

Invasion of the Body Snatchers
2001: A Space Odyssey
Return of the Jedi
Seconds
The Abyss
Gattaca

[mae]

The Abyss and Gattaca should go very very far. The Abyss is one of my favorite movies of all time and the best sci-fi film ever made, bar none.

[mae]

Some amazing movies in this bracket!

Edit: I didn't realize this was the 1988 version of The Blob (Yes, I now see where it clearly states that in the poll). I haven't seen that version of the film so please delete my vote for it. Thanks.

I don't know why the remake was nominated instead of the classic original :confused: I would've voted for that.

[mae]

2001 is going to be the last Kubrick I watch. I have to watch Full Metal Jacket, Lolita and The Killing first. The Abyss my brother has owned on DVD for like a decade and half of that time it's been with my DVD's and I still haven't watched it...I actually wouldn't be surprised to see that it is still with my DVD's.

How have you not seen some of these?? And don't watch The Abyss on DVD, the transfer is very sub-par by today's standards. It's being shown in HD on Cinemax, so a blu-ray edition should be out soon.

[Still Servant]

2001 is going to be the last Kubrick I watch. I have to watch Full Metal Jacket, Lolita and The Killing first. The Abyss my brother has owned on DVD for like a decade and half of that time it's been with my DVD's and I still haven't watched it...I actually wouldn't be surprised to see that it is still with my DVD's.

I haven't seen Lolita, The Killing is classic and Full Metal Jacket is one of the best war films of all time. So many classic scenes. I'm sure you've seen/heard all the F. Lee Ermey scenes. My favorite scene is the "get some" scene. It truly captures the mental state of some of these soldiers and how for some of them there really was no coming back from that war.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06nIz4scvI

[needfulthings]

KUBRICK'S PATHS OF GLORY 1957 WILL KICK YOU'R ASS.

[Tommy]

KUBRICK'S PATHS OF GLORY 1957 WILL KICK YOU'R ASS.

Agree with that, it's a far better war film than Full Metal Jacket

[Mattrick]

2001 is going to be the last Kubrick I watch. I have to watch Full Metal Jacket, Lolita and The Killing first. The Abyss my brother has owned on DVD for like a decade and half of that time it's been with my DVD's and I still haven't watched it...I actually wouldn't be surprised to see that it is still with my DVD's.

How have you not seen some of these?? And don't watch The Abyss on DVD, the transfer is very sub-par by today's standards. It's being shown in HD on Cinemax, so a blu-ray edition should be out soon.

Because I've watched Paths of Glory too many times and I'm afraid I won't enjoy his any of his films as much as Paths of Glory...which is why I am saving The Killing and 2001 for last.


KUBRICK'S PATHS OF GLORY 1957 WILL KICK YOU'R ASS.

If the ending doesn't kick even the toughest, coldest man into a steamy puddle of tears I would be surpised. If I had to pick my two favourite endings to every film I've seen it is: 1) Synecdoche, New York and 2) Paths of Glory and there isn't much separating their placements on that list.

[frik]

2001: A Space Odyssey - (Hope to travel to the UK this Fall for the re-release...)
The Abyss - Maybe Cameron's best movie
The Incredible Shrinking Man
Invasion of the Body Snatchers
Barbarella - Jane Fonda in the opening sequence alone is a reason to vote....LOVE this movie.

sk

[Heather19]

Can't vote. Only seen two of them and I don't remember Gattaca well enough to vote for it and I cannot vote for Jedi...I'm with Hurley, the ewoks sucked dude.

Drop everything and watch The Abyss right now! :D

[mae]

Mattrick is blowing my mind! Gattaca is superb and The Abyss should win this whole tourney.

[fernandito]

Idk about that, I'd rank 2001 and Blade Runner both above The Abyss. Having said that however, I haven't seen the Abyss in years so maybe a rewatch is in order to determine where it stands exactly among my personal echelon.

Gattaca is an exceptional film. As far as profound, contemplative sci fi goes, you can't do much better.

[Heather19]

I know 2001 is a scifi classic, but it's far from the easiest or funnest movie to watch. Maybe I should give it another viewing, it's been so long since I last saw it.

[Ricky]

Is The Abyss really that good? The one with Ed Harris? It's been in my queue for forever but I just never got around to watching it. I heard that it wasn't that great, so I'm surprised you guys are so enthusiastic about it.

[fernandito]

I haven't watched it in years and to be quite frank I remember liking it but not being blown away by it like so many here seem to be. However, I'm a firm believer that you view films in a very different light as you watch them throughout the years so I'll be giving it another whirl and see if my opinion on it changes.

[Heather19]

The Abyss is one of my favorites. I urge everyone to watch it. I'm with Pablo that it should win the whole thing.

[WeDealInLead]

Here's a little secret, Space Odyssey 2010 is a great flick.

[fernandito]

Here's a little secret, Space Odyssey 2010 is a great flick.
I IMDB'd it a few days ago and it seems there's a healthy cross section of people who even prefer it to 2001. I'm hoping to scope it out sometime soon.

[Randall Flagg]

In 1968 Roger Ebert nailed it in a review of 2001 a Space Odyssey:

"It was e. e. cummings, the poet, who said he'd rather learn from one bird how to sing than teach 10,000 stars how not to dance. I imagine cummings would not have enjoyed Stanley Kubrick's "2001: A Space
Odyssey," in which stars dance but birds do not sing. The fascinating thing about this film is that it fails on the human level but succeeds magnificently on a cosmic scale.
Kubrick's universe, and the space ships he constructed to explore it, are simply out of scale with human concerns. The ships are perfect, impersonal machines which venture from one planet to another, and if men are tucked away somewhere inside them, then they get there too.
But the achievement belongs to the machine. And Kubrick's actors seem to sense this; they are lifelike but without emotion, like figures in a wax museum. Yet the machines are necessary because man himself is so helpless in the face of the universe.
Kubrick begins his film with a sequence in which one tribe of apes discovers how splendid it is to be able to hit the members of another tribe over the head. Thus do man's ancestors become tool-using animals.
At the same time, a strange monolith appears on Earth. Until this moment in the film, we have seen only natural shapes: earth and sky and arms and legs. The shock of the monolith's straight edges and square corners among the weathered rocks is one of the most effective moments in the film. Here, you see, is perfection. The apes circle it warily, reaching out to touch, then jerking away. In a million years, man will reach for the stars with the same tentative motion.
Who put the monolith there? Kubrick never answers, for which I suppose we must be thankful. The action advances to the year 2001, when explorers on the moon find another of the monoliths. This one beams signals toward Jupiter. And man, confident of his machines, brashly follows the trail.
Only at this point does a plot develop. The ship manned by two pilots, Keir Dullea (http://www.rogerebert.com/cast-and-crew/keir-dullea) and Gary Lockwood (http://www.rogerebert.com/cast-and-crew/gary-lockwood). Three scientists are put on board in suspended animation to conserve supplies. The pilots grow suspicious of the computer, "Hal," which runs the ship. But they behave so strangely -- talking in monotones like characters from "Dragnet (http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/dragnet-1987)" -- that we're hardly interested.
There is hardly any character development in the plot, then, as a result little suspense. What remains fascinating is the fanatic care with which Kubrick has built his machines and achieved his special effects. There is not a single moment, in this long film, when the audience can see through the props. The stars look like stars and outer space is bold and bleak.
Some of Kubrick's effects have been criticized as tedious. Perhaps they are, but I can understand his motives. If his space vehicles move with agonizing precision, wouldn't we have laughed if they'd zipped around like props on "Captain Video"? This is how it would really be, you find yourself believing.
In any event, all the machines and computers are forgotten in this astonishing last half-hour of this film, and man somehow comes back into his own. Another monolith is found beyond Jupiter, pointing to the stars. It apparently draws the spaceship into a universe where time and space are twisted.
What Kubrick is saying, in the final sequence, apparently, is that man will eventually outgrow his machines, or be drawn beyond them by some cosmic awareness. He will then become a child again, but a child of an infinitely more advanced, more ancient race, just as apes once became, to their own dismay, the infant stage of man.
And the monoliths? Just road markers, I suppose, each one pointing to a destination so awesome that the traveler cannot imagine it without being transfigured. Or as cummings wrote on another occasion, "listen -- there's a hell of a good universe next door; let's go.""

[mae]

2001 is not supposed to be fun, it's pure art. But The Abyss is still better.

[divemaster]

I also am a big fan of The Abyss. However, I first saw it on DVD, which I believe was a "special edition Director's Cut" or something. I got the impression that the restored scenes really helped flesh out the movie.


The release of the Special Edition in 1993 garnered much praise. It also helped some of the above people and others see the film as less confusing. Each giving it thumbs up, Siskel remarked, "The Abyss has been improved," and Ebert added, "It makes the film seem more well rounded." In the book Reel Views 2, James Berardinelli comments, "James Cameron's The Abyss may be the most extreme example of an available movie that demonstrates how the vision of a director, once fully realized on screen, can transform a good motion picture into a great one."

So if you only saw the theatrical version and were underwhelmed, I'd suggest seeing the restored cut. It's really an awesome movie.

[mae]

More Shrinking Man votes needed to break the tie!

[pathoftheturtle]

Should have nominated Fantastic Voyage.

[mae]

Should have nominated Fantastic Voyage.

Or Innerspace :)

[pathoftheturtle]

Osmosis Jones.

[Ricky]

The Abyss is On Demand for free, so I'm going to try and watch it before the poll closes.

[mae]

The Abyss is On Demand for free, so I'm going to try and watch it before the poll closes.

I believe HBO GO or MAX GO has it streaming in HD. Did you get a chance to watch it yet?

[mae]

:eek: The Blob should not be leading Altered States and The Incredible Shrinking Man :cry:

[Ben Staad]

If not already done please make sure to deduct my vote for The Blob from the totals.


:eek: The Blob should not be leading Altered States and The Incredible Shrinking Man :cry:

[Ricky]

The Abyss is On Demand for free, so I'm going to try and watch it before the poll closes.

I believe HBO GO or MAX GO has it streaming in HD. Did you get a chance to watch it yet?

Not yet. I still have a couple days.

[mae]

Holy shit, a four-way tie for first place :onfire:

[mae]

If not already done please make sure to deduct my vote for The Blob from the totals.


:eek: The Blob should not be leading Altered States and The Incredible Shrinking Man :cry:

Might as well switch my vote for Seconds to The Incredible Shrinking Man

[fernandito]

I thought for sure 2001 was going to dominate this group. Interesting...

[frik]

Same here.
I bet many here have never even seen it. Or only on the small screen.
Shouldn't, but this does make a difference.

sk

[Still Servant]

I'm just happy Gattaca is getting some love. I wasn't sure how many people saw that one.

[fernandito]

I'm just happy Gattaca is getting some love. I wasn't sure how many people saw that one.
I hadn't seen Gattaca in years, and after seeing it mentioned it recently in one of the other threads I decided to revisit it. So glad I did. Now I can confidently vote for it throughout the rest of the tournament, regardless of what films it might go up against. Whatever shortcomings it might have stylistically, it more than makes up for in poignancy. A great fable about the power of the human spirit.

[divemaster]

I'm just happy Gattaca is getting some love. I wasn't sure how many people saw that one.

I have never seen it. Barely even heard of it. But b/c of this thread I've added it to my Netflix queue.

[fernandito]

Gattaca is a sci fi must.

[mae]

One of the best sci-fi films of all time, hands down.

[frik]

2001 is not supposed to be fun, it's pure art. But The Abyss is still better.

I'm afraid it isn't, Pablo!

sk

[Ben Staad]

Yes! I think we have finally agreed on something. :)


Gattaca is a sci fi must.


One of the best sci-fi films of all time, hands down.

[frik]

How many films (of each group) move on to round 2? If it's only 1, and Return of the Jedi (the worst of the Star Wars originals) beats 2001, my faith in this tournament will be severely shaken.......:arg:

sk

[Mattrick]

Top half moves if I'm not mistaken. Jedi isn't very good, can't believe it has this many votes.

[pathoftheturtle]

Say what you like about the Ewoks, that's the movie that finally showed us the Emporer, finally showed us Jabba, finally let Lando do good stuff...

Quite a contrast between the emotional restraint of 2001 and the wild emotion of ACO, the other Kubrick-directed nominee.

I liked Altered States, really. Didn't like the ending so much, but it's still a better movie than the Blob 88.

[fernandito]

How many films (of each group) move on to round 2?
Six films move on. I'm posting the winners from each group in the initial thread. Once the opening group stage finalizes I'll post a roadmap of the 'playoff' rounds.


Say what you like about the Ewoks, that's the movie that finally showed us the Emperor, finally showed us Jabba, finally let Lando do good stuff...
In all honesty I don't mind the Ewoks, and I like Ep. VI as a whole, I just feel it doesn't quite reach the high watermark of its predecessor. Having said that, Luke vs Vader and the latter's ultimate redemption is one of the series' most crucial moments.



Quite a contrast between the emotional restraint of 2001 and the wild emotion of ACO, the other Kubrick-directed nominee.
You know, I've never drawn that contrast in my mind before now. Good call. Both films are an assault on the senses but at a very, very different tempo. Man, those are such great films. I don't know what we did as a species to deserve Kubrick but I'm so glad we did it.

[Mattrick]

Jedi has its worthwhile parts sure its just not nearly as good as it's predecessors. The best part of the it is Bib Fortuna, that guy rules. The bad outweighs the good or at least evens out. Phantom Menace has worthwhile parts just not enough and Episode 3 is about on par with Jedi, probably a little higher. Just hoping Jedi doesn't get too far because it's weaker than a lot of nominees.

[pathoftheturtle]

Six slots available. I'll save further RotJ comparisons for later rounds - it clearly will get at least a little farther. The Blob/AS/Incredible Shrinking Man race is what worries me ATM.

[Merlin1958]

Jedi has its worthwhile parts sure its just not nearly as good as it's predecessors. The best part of the it is Bib Fortuna, that guy rules. The bad outweighs the good or at least evens out. Phantom Menace has worthwhile parts just not enough and Episode 3 is about on par with Jedi, probably a little higher. Just hoping Jedi doesn't get too far because it's weaker than a lot of nominees.

Oh c'mon Jedi has talking fish!! LOL


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F4qzPbcFiA

[mae]

I hope the votes will be adjusted as per earlier request before being counted.

[Heather19]

I'm just happy Gattaca is getting some love. I wasn't sure how many people saw that one.
I hadn't seen Gattaca in years, and after seeing it mentioned it recently in one of the other threads I decided to revisit it. So glad I did. Now I can confidently vote for it throughout the rest of the tournament, regardless of what films it might go up against. Whatever shortcomings it might have stylistically, it more than makes up for in poignancy. A great fable about the power of the human spirit.

I saw Gattaca in the theater when it first come out. Don't really recall enjoying it all that much. Should I go back and rewatch it?


And Ricky have you watched The Abyss yet?!

[Ben Staad]

I know this wasn't directed at me but my vote is yes.




I saw Gattaca in the theater when it first come out. Don't really recall enjoying it all that much. Should I go back and rewatch it?

[fernandito]

I saw Gattaca in the theater when it first come out. Don't really recall enjoying it all that much. Should I go back and rewatch it?


Absolutely.

[Ricky]

And Ricky have you watched The Abyss yet?!

No. :unsure:

BUT. I made a list/set up DVR recordings of a lot of the ones in the tournament that I haven't seen. I won't be able to watch The Abyss by the time this poll closes, but will definitely get to it before the next round.

[pathoftheturtle]

I saw Gattaca in the theater when it first come out. Don't really recall enjoying it all that much. Should I go back and rewatch it?I third the motion. You have to really think about it to get it. It's that kind of film.

[mae]

This poll actually has three of my Top 5 sci-fi movies of all time, I think: Gattaca, 2001, and The Abyss. All masterpieces of genius.

[mae]

Looks like poll editing went a bit awry, hoping Jerome can fix it in time for the poll's closing. The Blob, Altered States, and The Incredible Shrinking Man should be tied at 9 at this time.

[Heather19]

I know this wasn't directed at me but my vote is yes.




I saw Gattaca in the theater when it first come out. Don't really recall enjoying it all that much. Should I go back and rewatch it?





I saw Gattaca in the theater when it first come out. Don't really recall enjoying it all that much. Should I go back and rewatch it?


Absolutely.



I saw Gattaca in the theater when it first come out. Don't really recall enjoying it all that much. Should I go back and rewatch it?I third the motion. You have to really think about it to get it. It's that kind of film.
Well that's 3/3. I guess I'll give it a go.




And Ricky have you watched The Abyss yet?!

No. :unsure:

BUT. I made a list/set up DVR recordings of a lot of the ones in the tournament that I haven't seen. I won't be able to watch The Abyss by the time this poll closes, but will definitely get to it before the next round.

You better! I need you to be able to vote for it in future rounds :D

[fernandito]

The following films are advancing to the next round

Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956)
2001 : A Space Odyssey
Star Wars Episode VI : Return of the Jedi
The Abyss
Gattaca


There will be a tie breaker between the following films for the final berth
The Blob
Altered States
The Incredible Shrinking Man

[Ricky]

The Abyss is On Demand for free, so I'm going to try and watch it before the poll closes.

I believe HBO GO or MAX GO has it streaming in HD. Did you get a chance to watch it yet?

And Ricky have you watched The Abyss yet?!

Watched it today and I've got to say that I was pretty underwhelmed by it as a whole. I kind of figured I might be (I'm generally not a fan of underwater exploration movies). There were a couple of scenes that I enjoyed (Lindsey's drowning and resuscitation) and the last half hour, but overall I thought it was a pretty standard action/adventure/Sci-Fi movie.

[Heather19]

:o:o:o

[mae]

:o:o:o

I know.

First of all, I love underwater scenes, and with a whole movie taking place underwater is just bliss. Secondly, the aliens are pretty amazing-looking and the idea of aliens living on the ocean floor is really original and great. The score is one of the best ever. Acting is solid throughout. Great effects. And that descent into the abyss is just holy-crap awesome.

Yes, The Abyss, in my view, is the best sci-fi film ever made and one of the very best films of the 1980s.

[frik]

No Cameron movie is pretty standard. The Abyss stands head and shoulders above most action/sf movies.

sk

[Ricky]

Sorry, guys. I would disagree. The aliens and effects may have been cool, but the characters were pretty forgettable. I wouldn't rank it anywhere near the top of Sci-Fi films.

[divemaster]

I, too, loved The Abyss. Top-5 sci-fi for me. I didn't find the characters forgettable at all. In fact, that's what bumped the movie up a notch for me--above just aliens and FX. The motivations and interactions between the husband/wife having relationship troubles, and the Michael Biehn character, especially. It made the move deeper and more "real" to me. Sure, some of the others were filling out stock roles, but with leads like that I thought it was a surprisingly deep movie (no pun intended).

[fernandito]

I need to watch it again. Like I mentioned elsewhere, I remember liking The Abyss but not being blown away by it, certainly not to put it in the Top of anything lists.

[Heather19]

Sorry, guys. I would disagree. The aliens and effects may have been cool, but the characters were pretty forgettable. I wouldn't rank it anywhere near the top of Sci-Fi films.


I need to watch it again. Like I mentioned elsewhere, I remember liking The Abyss but not being blown away by it, certainly not to put it in the Top of anything lists.

I don't know about you boys....

I love that it takes place underwater. Especially since it's typically the opposite when it comes to scifi. I know I've said it numerous times already, but it's probably my number one scifi film.

[Still Servant]

I love underwater films. I've always been fascinated by the ocean and everything that inhabits it. It's true that the mysteries of our oceans can literally match the mysteries of outer space. We've hardly even scratched the surface of exploring our oceans.

This alone is why I loved The Abyss.

[Mattrick]

GO MARRY THE OCEAN WHY DON'T YOU! GOSH!
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[needfulthings]

Sorry, guys. I would disagree. The aliens and effects may have been cool, but the characters were pretty forgettable. I wouldn't rank it anywhere near the top of Sci-Fi films.


I need to watch it again. Like I mentioned elsewhere, I remember liking The Abyss but not being blown away by it, certainly not to put it in the Top of anything lists.

I don't know about you boys....

I love that it takes place underwater. Especially since it's typically the opposite when it comes to scifi. I know I've said it numerous times already, but it's probably my number one scifi film.

U.K. 1st EDITION (ONLY HARDCOVER EDITION) ORSON SCOTT CARD & MICHAEL BIEHN.
1989
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