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What would the format be for this tournament?
And yes, The Vanishing is the original though as far as Funny Games, that's tough because both versions are great (directed by the same director shot-for-shot).
Heather19
03-30-2014, 05:40 AM
Here's what I was thinking, I was just waiting to hear back from Feev. Let me know if you have any suggestions.
Round 1 would consist of 16 groups of 8 with the top 2 films moving onto round 2. Round 2 will consist of 8 groups of 4 with the top film moving onto the next round. Round 3 will consist of 4 groups of 2 with the winner making in onto the semi-finals, which will then be put into a group with the top 2 going head to head in a final round.
How about in Round 1 we have the top three move on to Round 2 (48), because chopping the roster down to 32 right away seems a bit drastic. So Round 2 will be 12 instead of 8 groups, but otherwise the same. And it would be multiple choice to vote for the three to move on in the first round, right?
fearless-freak
03-30-2014, 05:51 AM
so when does the culling start?
I can't believe nobody nominated this yet, so hopefully you won't mind if I go out of turn for the last spot:
128. Let's Scare Jessica to Death
yes, that would have been my last nomination! great that it's there now
and many thanks to all dear friends for letting bears vote out of turn that once!
Heather19
03-30-2014, 12:10 PM
How about in Round 1 we have the top three move on to Round 2 (48), because chopping the roster down to 32 right away seems a bit drastic. So Round 2 will be 12 instead of 8 groups, but otherwise the same. And it would be multiple choice to vote for the three to move on in the first round, right?
Three sounds good. And I'm going to keep it similar to the past ones we've done. It'll be all single voting, so just vote for the one you want to move on the most.
The first rounds will be put up shortly.
Still Servant
03-30-2014, 02:44 PM
105. The Mummy Trilogy
A list of greatest Horror films MUST include, Frankenstein, Dracula, The Werewolf, The Mummy and a monster or two more!! LOL
You don't consider Jaws horror, but you do consider the Mummy trilogy horror? Are we talking about the Brendan Fraser films? I just don't get that. If that's the case, then we should consider Indiana Jones horror because it has melting skeletons and creepy voodoo dudes.
That is not fair. The Mummy is a supernatural entity even though the films are kinda "action/adventure". "Jaws" is a fish. Wholly natural.
It seems like you're hung up on the idea of horror films having to have a supernatural quality. I don't subscribe to that idea. I guess it's just a difference of taste and philosophy. Therefore, they probably both should be in. We will sort it out later.
Heather19
03-30-2014, 02:53 PM
First polls have been posted :D
Merlin1958
03-30-2014, 08:20 PM
105. The Mummy Trilogy
A list of greatest Horror films MUST include, Frankenstein, Dracula, The Werewolf, The Mummy and a monster or two more!! LOL
You don't consider Jaws horror, but you do consider the Mummy trilogy horror? Are we talking about the Brendan Fraser films? I just don't get that. If that's the case, then we should consider Indiana Jones horror because it has melting skeletons and creepy voodoo dudes.
That is not fair. The Mummy is a supernatural entity even though the films are kinda "action/adventure". "Jaws" is a fish. Wholly natural.
It seems like you're hung up on the idea of horror films having to have a supernatural quality. I don't subscribe to that idea. I guess it's just a difference of taste and philosophy. Therefore, they probably both should be in. We will sort it out later.
Like I said before. Agree to disagree and we can move on. I have a different opinion than others, stated my case and was fairly out voted. No issue from me. Though I reserve the right to my opinion. I am looking forward to the voting and we shall see what we see. I guess I am showing my age to a degree. In my day a "Horror" movie included a supernatural element. I don't consider say, Saw or Scream to be a "Horror flick". To me they are "slasher" films. Horrible, gross, shocking? yes, but not a "Horror Movie". I'm just stating my opinion and view. Let's go VOTE!!! :rock:
Still Servant
03-31-2014, 05:09 AM
I know you want to drop the subject, and I'm fine with that, but I'm still trying to understand. I'm not trying to be combative. I don't consider there to be any supernatural quality to films like Halloween or Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Under your definition, both of those films wouldn't be considered horror. I hope you can see how odd that might seem to others. I know you are classifying them as "slasher" films, but that's merely a sub-genre of horror.
I could see not counting Jaws, but Halloween?
I generally don't know if we can define "horror" to universal satisfaction. The first definition that leaps to mind is, "a movie whose primary aim is to scare". This would leave out all films with a meaning, from Repulsion to Pontypool. If we define it as "inspiring a feeling of fear and disturbance during most of the running time", we'll have to include tons of dramas, from "M" to Apocalypto. Thus, we are doomed to rely on intuition only. If someone considers something a horror film, let it be.
I, for example, had to tie my own paws not to nominate The Tenant, which is, in my opinion, the best horror, drama, comedy, and whatever other genre one can think of... but I'd hate to see my favorite film of all times losing to something like The Ring, so I passed. Such considerations help keep nominations within reason, anyway.
How many of those on the list has anyone seen? My count is 84, and I am going to improve it before the tournament is over.
I would consider The Tenant a horror film, being in the psychological horror sub-genre perhaps. I actually wanted to nominate it, but I though you would, Jean.
How many of those on the list has anyone seen? My count is 84, and I am going to improve it before the tournament is over.
My watched count from the overall list in an even 80. Don't know if I'll be able to squeeze in all 48 movies, but I'll definitely try checking out most of them.
Iwritecode
03-31-2014, 07:42 AM
I say Evil Dead 2 should be off the list since it's basically a comedic remake of the first one which is also nominated.
I specifically nominated ED2 because it was basically a remake of the first one. The first one kinda sucked and the sequel was an improvement IMHO. It had some comedic elements to it but should still qualify as horror.
87. Army of Darkness
C'mon, it has to get it's due, no? "Hail to the King, baby"!!!
Now when they made Army of Darkness they pretty much threw the "horror" part out the window. It's one of my favorite movies not because it's scary but because I LMAO when I watch it.
Heather19
03-31-2014, 10:58 AM
I generally don't know if we can define "horror" to universal satisfaction. The first definition that leaps to mind is, "a movie whose primary aim is to scare". This would leave out all films with a meaning, from Repulsion to Pontypool. If we define it as "inspiring a feeling of fear and disturbance during most of the running time", we'll have to include tons of dramas, from "M" to Apocalypto. Thus, we are doomed to rely on intuition only. If someone considers something a horror film, let it be.
I, for example, had to tie my own paws not to nominate The Tenant, which is, in my opinion, the best horror, drama, comedy, and whatever other genre one can think of... but I'd hate to see my favorite film of all times losing to something like The Ring, so I passed. Such considerations help keep nominations within reason, anyway.
How many of those on the list has anyone seen? My count is 84, and I am going to improve it before the tournament is over.
I've seen at least 90 (possibly another 1 or 2 that I don't remember too well).
I think everyone has a different interpretation of horror. There's some that are even listed as horror, that I personally would never put in that category. Repulsion, The Tenant, Whatever Happened to Baby Jane... They're psychologically dark yes, but a horror, definitely not by my standards. But slashers, like Halloween, Texas Chainsaw, Scream... would be a definite yes. What other genre would they fit into? Films can definitely blur the lines between genres, I don't think it has to be one or another. And it is interesting how different people see them. That's why I left it that if someone views it as a horror it makes the list.
fernandito
03-31-2014, 11:06 AM
Yeah, this tournament was always going to be about broad strokes because of how subjective and varied the genre can be.
Ricky
03-31-2014, 12:23 PM
I counted 46 that I've seen off our list. Guess I've got some watching to do. :lol:
Merlin1958
03-31-2014, 12:26 PM
I know you want to drop the subject, and I'm fine with that, but I'm still trying to understand. I'm not trying to be combative. I don't consider there to be any supernatural quality to films like Halloween or Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Under your definition, both of those films wouldn't be considered horror. I hope you can see how odd that might seem to others. I know you are classifying them as "slasher" films, but that's merely a sub-genre of horror.
I could see not counting Jaws, but Halloween?
Well, if you want a debate, and it doesn't bother anyone else, I'm cool with the subject. "Halloween" actually did have a "supernatural" element. He became the "Boogie-Man" somehow. Otherwise, how do you account for the amount of times he died through out the films. TCM I am not as familiar with so I can't comment. "Jaws" arguably had a minor supernatural element as something was definitely "off" with that shark!! LOL That's why I said an argument could be made for it. I just don't see it as traditional "Horror" is all. JMHO
For the record, I don't think I ever said "Halloween" wasn't a "Horror" movie. Also, for the record, this discussion has been rather intriguing in that I never really looked very hard at what I considered "Horror" and "Slasher" films to be. I just sort of "knew" if you know what I mean. Also, for the record, my opinion may be in the minority and that's okay. I bear no ill will to anyone who thinks differently. They are just as entitled to their view as I am. This is all just for the sake of argument is all. FWIW this discussion has made me look a little harder at the subject.
Merlin1958
03-31-2014, 12:31 PM
I say Evil Dead 2 should be off the list since it's basically a comedic remake of the first one which is also nominated.
I specifically nominated ED2 because it was basically a remake of the first one. The first one kinda sucked and the sequel was an improvement IMHO. It had some comedic elements to it but should still qualify as horror.
87. Army of Darkness
C'mon, it has to get it's due, no? "Hail to the King, baby"!!!
Now when they made Army of Darkness they pretty much threw the "horror" part out the window. It's one of my favorite movies not because it's scary but because I LMAO when I watch it.
I hear what you are saying, but it seemed a shame not to include it on the list. Though it has plenty of blood, dismemberment, supernatural and scary elements as well as being perhaps, the funniest fucking "Horror" film ever made!! LOL
"What's that on your face"? LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmgJXUQloUc
Iwritecode
03-31-2014, 01:10 PM
I counted 46 that I've seen off our list. Guess I've got some watching to do. :lol:
I'm only at 33. ><
Yet I’ve seen every single Nightmare on Elm St, Friday the 13th, Halloween and Saw movie.
Ricky
03-31-2014, 01:39 PM
I saw Nightmare on Elm Street for the first time this Halloween and thought it was pretty bad. It definitely doesn't hold up, in my opinion. :lol:
And I still haven't seen Friday the 13th.
Heather19
03-31-2014, 02:37 PM
Really? It probably is a bit dated, but I still love it. A few years back I went and watched the entire series, they get worse as they go on for the most part :lol: The original Friday the 13th is really good as well. But then again I'm very partial to slasher flicks, especially from that time period.
bears have started catching up! watching Cold Fish now. Something is telling me bears are going to love it.
Iwritecode
04-01-2014, 06:57 AM
I saw Nightmare on Elm Street for the first time this Halloween and thought it was pretty bad. It definitely doesn't hold up, in my opinion. :lol:
And I still haven't seen Friday the 13th.
The first one was probably the best one by default. As the series went on they started giving Freddy too much dialogue. That’s why Jason and Mike Myers were always better. They never spoke.
The Nightmare on Elm St. remake was awful. Although I didn’t really mind the more recent Friday the 13th remake. The Rob Zombie remake of Halloween wasn’t bad either. I love the fact that he had Danielle Harris in it. :wub:
bears have started catching up! watching Cold Fish now. Something is telling me bears are going to love it.
Sion Sono is amazing and so is Cold Fish. But it has no chance in this tournament.
Heather19
04-01-2014, 07:43 AM
That's one of the few I have yet to see. I'll have to check it out soon.
watching it now, what heavenly delight! I can't say it's better than Visitor Q, because hardly anything is, but it's sure right up there at the top. Couldn't help making that screenshot; those who've seen the film know why it is hysterical:
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/mishemplushem/Misc/coldFish_zpsc10ac180.png (http://s91.photobucket.com/user/mishemplushem/media/Misc/coldFish_zpsc10ac180.png.html)
Bears are making me want to rewatch it now.
now that I have watched it, I would never call it a horror film - it's dark existential comedy, very much like Visitor Q
thank you nevertheless for having nominated it! I might have never watched it, or at least not right now, and I am so happy I did! Adored it.
Well it's definitely a very very dark comedy, but with quite obvious horror parts.
barlow
04-02-2014, 08:45 AM
105. The Mummy Trilogy
A list of greatest Horror films MUST include, Frankenstein, Dracula, The Werewolf, The Mummy and a monster or two more!! LOL
You don't consider Jaws horror, but you do consider the Mummy trilogy horror? Are we talking about the Brendan Fraser films? I just don't get that. If that's the case, then we should consider Indiana Jones horror because it has melting skeletons and creepy voodoo dudes.
That is not fair. The Mummy is a supernatural entity even though the films are kinda "action/adventure". "Jaws" is a fish. Wholly natural.
It seems like you're hung up on the idea of horror films having to have a supernatural quality. I don't subscribe to that idea. I guess it's just a difference of taste and philosophy. Therefore, they probably both should be in. We will sort it out later.
Like I said before. Agree to disagree and we can move on. I have a different opinion than others, stated my case and was fairly out voted. No issue from me. Though I reserve the right to my opinion. I am looking forward to the voting and we shall see what we see. I guess I am showing my age to a degree. In my day a "Horror" movie included a supernatural element. I don't consider say, Saw or Scream to be a "Horror flick". To me they are "slasher" films. Horrible, gross, shocking? yes, but not a "Horror Movie". I'm just stating my opinion and view. Let's go VOTE!!! :rock:
Out of curiosity Bill, in your opinion does having supernatural elements in a movie make that film horror?
Merlin1958
04-02-2014, 08:58 AM
105. The Mummy Trilogy
A list of greatest Horror films MUST include, Frankenstein, Dracula, The Werewolf, The Mummy and a monster or two more!! LOL
You don't consider Jaws horror, but you do consider the Mummy trilogy horror? Are we talking about the Brendan Fraser films? I just don't get that. If that's the case, then we should consider Indiana Jones horror because it has melting skeletons and creepy voodoo dudes.
That is not fair. The Mummy is a supernatural entity even though the films are kinda "action/adventure". "Jaws" is a fish. Wholly natural.
It seems like you're hung up on the idea of horror films having to have a supernatural quality. I don't subscribe to that idea. I guess it's just a difference of taste and philosophy. Therefore, they probably both should be in. We will sort it out later.
Like I said before. Agree to disagree and we can move on. I have a different opinion than others, stated my case and was fairly out voted. No issue from me. Though I reserve the right to my opinion. I am looking forward to the voting and we shall see what we see. I guess I am showing my age to a degree. In my day a "Horror" movie included a supernatural element. I don't consider say, Saw or Scream to be a "Horror flick". To me they are "slasher" films. Horrible, gross, shocking? yes, but not a "Horror Movie". I'm just stating my opinion and view. Let's go VOTE!!! :rock:
Out of curiosity Bill, in your opinion does having supernatural elements in a movie make that film horror?
Yes
for example, the Wizard of Oz?
Merlin1958
04-02-2014, 09:06 AM
for example, the Wizard of Oz?
Well, you kinda got me there, but yes I suppose it is a "Horror" film. When I was a kid, these things were seemingly more defined. I ain't afraid to say that my opinions may be somewhat old fashioned.
For those with Netflix (and why wouldn't you have it if you could?), here are the links for those movies from our list available for streaming:
Black Sunday (http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Black_Sunday/22465068) (not HD)
Rosemary's Baby (http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Rosemary_s_Baby/60002403)
Pontypool (http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Pontypool/70109421)
Absentia (http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Absentia/70204765)
Evil Dead 2 (http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Evil_Dead_2_Dead_by_Dawn/484378)
Scream (http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Scream/939827)
Night of the Living Dead (http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Night_of_the_Living_Dead/17017662)
The Mothman Prophecies (http://www.netflix.com/Movie/The_Mothman_Prophecies/60022262)
Event Horizon (http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Event_Horizon/1179574)
Let The Right One In (http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Let_the_Right_One_In/70099621)
Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer (http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Henry_Portrait_of_a_Serial_Killer/584120)
House on Haunted Hill (http://www.netflix.com/Movie/House_on_Haunted_Hill/605556) (not HD)
The Silence of the Lambs (http://www.netflix.com/Movie/The_Silence_of_the_Lambs/14546747)
Ju-on (http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Ju-on_The_Grudge/70001562) (not HD)
Re-Animator (http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Re-Animator/893348)
Nosferatu (http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Nosferatu_Original_Version/812752) (not HD)
Mimic (http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Mimic/1179565)
Bay of Blood (http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Bay_of_Blood/21929073) (not HD)
Black Sabbath (http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Black_Sabbath/60001693)
Cold Fish (http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Cold_Fish/70151002)
The Blair Witch Project (http://www.netflix.com/Movie/The_Blair_Witch_Project/18957965)
Kill List (http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Kill_List/70180029)
Class of Nuke 'Em High (http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Class_of_Nuke_Em_High/380852)
Hellraiser (http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Hellraiser/60024211) (not HD)
barlow
04-02-2014, 02:04 PM
105. The Mummy Trilogy
A list of greatest Horror films MUST include, Frankenstein, Dracula, The Werewolf, The Mummy and a monster or two more!! LOL
You don't consider Jaws horror, but you do consider the Mummy trilogy horror? Are we talking about the Brendan Fraser films? I just don't get that. If that's the case, then we should consider Indiana Jones horror because it has melting skeletons and creepy voodoo dudes.
That is not fair. The Mummy is a supernatural entity even though the films are kinda "action/adventure". "Jaws" is a fish. Wholly natural.
It seems like you're hung up on the idea of horror films having to have a supernatural quality. I don't subscribe to that idea. I guess it's just a difference of taste and philosophy. Therefore, they probably both should be in. We will sort it out later.
Like I said before. Agree to disagree and we can move on. I have a different opinion than others, stated my case and was fairly out voted. No issue from me. Though I reserve the right to my opinion. I am looking forward to the voting and we shall see what we see. I guess I am showing my age to a degree. In my day a "Horror" movie included a supernatural element. I don't consider say, Saw or Scream to be a "Horror flick". To me they are "slasher" films. Horrible, gross, shocking? yes, but not a "Horror Movie". I'm just stating my opinion and view. Let's go VOTE!!! :rock:
Out of curiosity Bill, in your opinion does having supernatural elements in a movie make that film horror?
Yes
So romantic comedies that involve ghosts such as Ghosts of Girlfriends Past or Just Like Heaven, etc. would be horror?
Mattrick
04-02-2014, 06:49 PM
To help put this whole debate to rest, I'm going to provide my own skeleton system for what I consider to be horrors films and their subgenres, and the subgenres subgenres (and how sometimes elements of those subgenres aren't necessarily horror depending on the film)
Not Horrors: These are movies that either contain no horror elements or contain horror elements without horror being the primary intention of the film.
Crime Thrillers:This includes films such as Silence of the Lambs and Fallen
Supernatural Action: This includes films such as Constantine, Underworld and From Dusk Till Dawn
Love Stories: This includes films such as Twilight, Warm Bodies and Beauty and the Beast
Horror Comedies: This includes films such as This Is The End, Shaun of the Dead and Army of Darkness
Psychological Thrillers: This includes films such as Identity, The Skeleton Keyand Saw
Pyscho Films: This includes films such as Psycho, The Strangers and Funny Games
Slasher Films: This includes such films as Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Black Christmas and Scream
Horrors: These are movies made specifically for the premise of horror. However, I consider dramatic horrors (such as Frailty) to be here, since Dramas are films I consider to be outside of genres, and if these falls into any of the following categories, they are horrors if any genre at all.
Ghost Stories: These are stories that revolve around the existence of ghosts and spirits, often have an investigatory aspect to them and have people battling no-see-ums; they break into the following sub-genres
- Haunted House: This includes such films as Session 9, The Orphanage and Sinister
- Demon films: This includes such films as The Exorcist and The Evil Dead and Frailty
- General Ghost Stories: This includes such films as The Sixth Sense, Kairo and The Ring
Monster Movies: These movies involve humans fighting any kind of supernatural, alien or monster where the main concept is often survival,secondary concepts probably involves killing the monster aside from mere survival but it' must be a side plot (this elimates something like Carpenter's Vampires) or becoming a monster; this the largest and most varied of horror films and they break up into the following subgenre
- Vampire movies: Includes such films as Nosferatu, Salem's Lot and 30 Days of Night
- Werewolf movies: Includes such films as Ginger Snaps, An American Werewolf in London and Wolf
- Big monster movies: Includes such films as The Blob, The Host and Cloverfield
----Isolated Monster movies: Includes such films as Beneath, The Descent and Mimic
---- Monster Creation/Mad Scientist movies: Includes such films as The Fly, Frankenstein, Splice and Pet Semetary
- Zombie movies: Includes such films as Dawn of the Dead, Zombi 2 and Slither
----Zombie Horror: Includes such films as 28 Days Later, [REC]/Quarantine and Pontypool
- Supernatural Slasher movies: Includes such films as Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street and Child's Play
- Alien movies: Includes such films as Alien, The Thing and Fire In The Sky
- Animal movies: Includes such films as Open Water, Cujo, Jaws and Ghost In The Darkness
----Super Animal movies: Includes such films as Arachnaphobia, Deep Blue Sea
Brain hurts from categorizing...will add to this later.
Merlin1958
04-02-2014, 07:00 PM
105. The Mummy Trilogy
A list of greatest Horror films MUST include, Frankenstein, Dracula, The Werewolf, The Mummy and a monster or two more!! LOL
You don't consider Jaws horror, but you do consider the Mummy trilogy horror? Are we talking about the Brendan Fraser films? I just don't get that. If that's the case, then we should consider Indiana Jones horror because it has melting skeletons and creepy voodoo dudes.
That is not fair. The Mummy is a supernatural entity even though the films are kinda "action/adventure". "Jaws" is a fish. Wholly natural.
It seems like you're hung up on the idea of horror films having to have a supernatural quality. I don't subscribe to that idea. I guess it's just a difference of taste and philosophy. Therefore, they probably both should be in. We will sort it out later.
Like I said before. Agree to disagree and we can move on. I have a different opinion than others, stated my case and was fairly out voted. No issue from me. Though I reserve the right to my opinion. I am looking forward to the voting and we shall see what we see. I guess I am showing my age to a degree. In my day a "Horror" movie included a supernatural element. I don't consider say, Saw or Scream to be a "Horror flick". To me they are "slasher" films. Horrible, gross, shocking? yes, but not a "Horror Movie". I'm just stating my opinion and view. Let's go VOTE!!! :rock:
Out of curiosity Bill, in your opinion does having supernatural elements in a movie make that film horror?
Yes
So romantic comedies that involve ghosts such as Ghosts of Girlfriends Past or Just Like Heaven, etc. would be horror?
Tough call, as the supernatural element is not exactly central to the story, but they could be if I were held against a wall.
As I said, maybe I have to revisit my views.
Iwritecode
04-03-2014, 08:37 AM
To help put this whole debate to rest, I'm going to provide my own skeleton system for what I consider to be horrors films and their subgenres, and the subgenres subgenres (and how sometimes elements of those subgenres aren't necessarily horror depending on the film)
Not Horrors: These are movies that either contain no horror elements or contain horror elements without horror being the primary intention of the film.
Crime Thrillers:This includes films such as Silence of the Lambs and Fallen
Supernatural Action: This includes films such as Constantine, Underworld and From Dusk Till Dawn
Love Stories: This includes films such as Twilight, Warm Bodies and Beauty and the Beast
Horror Comedies: This includes films such as This Is The End, Shaun of the Dead and Army of Darkness
Psychological Thrillers: This includes films such as Identity, The Skeleton Keyand Saw
Pyscho Films: This includes films such as Psycho, The Strangers and Funny Games
Slasher Films: This includes such films as Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Black Christmas and Scream
Horrors: These are movies made specifically for the premise of horror. However, I consider dramatic horrors (such as Frailty) to be here, since Dramas are films I consider to be outside of genres, and if these falls into any of the following categories, they are horrors if any genre at all.
Ghost Stories: These are stories that revolve around the existence of ghosts and spirits, often have an investigatory aspect to them and have people battling no-see-ums; they break into the following sub-genres
- Haunted House: This includes such films as Session 9, The Orphanage and Sinister
- Demon films: This includes such films as The Exorcist and The Evil Dead and Frailty
- General Ghost Stories: This includes such films as The Sixth Sense, Kairo and The Ring
Monster Movies: These movies involve humans fighting any kind of supernatural, alien or monster where the main concept is often survival,secondary concepts probably involves killing the monster aside from mere survival but it' must be a side plot (this elimates something like Carpenter's Vampires) or becoming a monster; this the largest and most varied of horror films and they break up into the following subgenre
- Vampire movies: Includes such films as Nosferatu, Salem's Lot and 30 Days of Night
- Werewolf movies: Includes such films as Ginger Snaps, An American Werewolf in London and Wolf
- Big monster movies: Includes such films as The Blob, The Host and Cloverfield
----Isolated Monster movies: Includes such films as Beneath, The Descent and Mimic
---- Monster Creation/Mad Scientist movies: Includes such films as The Fly, Frankenstein, Splice and Pet Semetary
- Zombie movies: Includes such films as Dawn of the Dead, Zombi 2 and Slither
----Zombie Horror: Includes such films as 28 Days Later, [REC]/Quarantine and Pontypool
- Supernatural Slasher movies: Includes such films as Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street and Child's Play
- Alien movies: Includes such films as Alien, The Thing and Fire In The Sky
- Animal movies: Includes such films as Open Water, Cujo, Jaws and Ghost In The Darkness
----Super Animal movies: Includes such films as Arachnaphobia, Deep Blue Sea
Brain hurts from categorizing...will add to this later.
I would put the slasher category under horror. I also have a hard time categorizing The Sixth Sense as a horror film. But other than that, I agree with all of it.
Heather19
04-03-2014, 09:41 AM
I think you guys are the first people I've ever met that don't include slasher films as horror films. To me slasher films are a subgenre of horror. Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Black Christmas were definitely made with the intention to scare people. As was Scream, it revitalized all those teen horror films. They might not include the supernatural element, but sometimes that's what makes them scarier. Same goes for all those home invasion type films. What genre would you guys put these into? Because I've never once heard slasher films being listed as their own genre. I'm not attacking, just really curious is all.
How can Funny Games not be horror? It's scared the shit out of me while simultaneously blowing my mind to hell.
needfulthings
04-03-2014, 12:50 PM
I think you guys are the first people I've ever met that don't include slasher films as horror films. To me slasher films are a subgenre of horror. Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Black Christmas were definitely made with the intention to scare people. As was Scream, it revitalized all those teen horror films. They might not include the supernatural element, but sometimes that's what makes them scarier. Same goes for all those home invasion type films. What genre would you guys put these into? Because I've never once heard slasher films being listed as their own genre. I'm not attacking, just really curious is all.
HOW ABOUT SPLATTER?
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or MODERN HORROR?
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Mattrick
04-03-2014, 04:47 PM
Slasher films haven't been a vehicle for horror since the early 70's, it's become nothing but a slapstick romp where we see people die brutal deaths for our entertainment...the characters have no character and are only there to die. But you will notice my slasher films do not include supernatural slashers such as Jason, Freddy or Michael Myers movies are in a separate category under horror. Slasher movies are fun movies and fun movies aren't horror. Halloween wasn't a fun movie, neither was Texas Chainsaw; but one is evil incarnate represented as a pale, emotionless face who is more spider than human while the other a fat mentally challenged inbred hick with a chainsaw and that's what sets a slasher movie apart from a supernatural slasher movie, a human being and something beyond human that is seemingly invincible and immortal. If you shoot Leatherface in the face he's dead but Michael Myers takes shot after shot, falls out of a building and like a puff of smoke, he's gone. Texas Chainsaw is maybe the one exception I'd give to this but that's mostly because it set the precedence for so many films, much like how Jaws is still a horror even though it's not that scary because people like my mom couldn't go in an ocean for years after seeing Jaws lol, that's real horror. This is just the way I categorise what is and isn't horror for my own use and my DVD's are organised as such. Other genres I really don't care about. A comedy is a comedy no matter the brand of comedy but horrors are just different to me because filmmakers set out with a specific idea in mind; a zombie story, a ghost story where as there really isn't that cookie cutter approach to comedies or actions like there are for horrors and each genre and subgenre has their own tropes and cliches unique to them.
Merlin1958
04-03-2014, 05:58 PM
Well, I never anticipated this much of a discussion, but I admit I have learned a few things and may just revisit my thinking on the subject. I suppose in retrospect it was really myopic for me to think one dimensionally regarding the subject. Mattrick seems to have a pretty well thought out plan.
Matts, a little trivia do you know who's mask Mike Myers is sporting?
Edit: I just realized that by my definition, Field of Dreams is a horror movie!!! Still, "Jaws" is not horror, it's a big fish, swallow you whole, but it ain't "Horror"!! LOL
Lookwhoitis
04-03-2014, 07:36 PM
Matts, a little trivia do you know who's mask Mike Myers is sporting?
It's Shatner's puss... :0
Merlin1958
04-03-2014, 07:39 PM
Matts, a little trivia do you know who's mask Mike Myers is sporting?
It's Shatner's puss... :0
Yep!!!
bears go on catching up
watching Jacob's Ladder now. So far extremely good.
Which ones do you still plan on catching up with?
Mattrick
04-04-2014, 12:26 PM
I own Jacobs Ladder but barely remember it as I was on a lot of drugs at the time.
fernandito
04-04-2014, 12:43 PM
Jacob's Ladder is amazing.
yes! have just finished it. Loved every second of it (except the ladder thing right before the ending, I think you know what I mean - very Hollywood). Don't know if it is a horror movie, though.
divemaster
04-04-2014, 03:20 PM
Below is a fairly spoiler-free review for Jacob's Ladder I wrote some time ago. I have also written an essay about my interpretation of the events in the movie, full of spoilers. Jean, you mentioned the "ladder thing" at the end; I take issue with a different part of the ending, which to me compromised the "perfect" interpretation. Do you mind if I e-mail you my interpretation? Or should I post it here, in spoiler tags?
Jacob’s Ladder
Directed by Adrian Lyne
Starring Tim Robbins, Elizabeth Peña, and Danny Aiello
In English
Film: 5 stars (out of 5)
Have you ever had one of those dreams where, after you wake up, the palpable relief is overwhelming that it was only a dream and not that nightmare you were in? Probably. Most of us can relate to that feeling. “Thank God it was only a dream!”
What if you awoke from such a dream, started going about your daily business, and then realized that this was the dream, and the nightmare you thought you woke up from was your real life? How terrifying would that be?
Jacob Singer is living such a life. He’s back home from Vietnam, settled in with a hot girlfriend, and has a mundane job at the post office. He’s a smart fellow (his Army mates gave him the nickname “The Professor” because he earned a doctorate but never did anything with it).
But Jacob has inner demons that cause turmoil in his life. He’s divorced from his wife, but still feels a connection. And he has to deal with the painful memories of one of his young children, who was killed prior to Jacob leaving for Vietnam. And his memory of a particular event in Vietnam that he can’t explain and still haunts him.
But what Jacob has to face now is that these inner demons have shown themselves to be real (at least, to him), and are tormenting him. He goes to see his regular VA counselor, only to be told there is no record of such a doctor and no file for Jacob ever having been there. He sees strange things out of the corner of his eye that he can’t explain. When he realizes that his platoon mates are experiencing a similar nightmarish existence, they go to a lawyer who checks out their story and tells them they were never even in Vietnam. They were all discharged on psycho grounds after going nutso on a training exercise.
Jacob becomes convinced that they were all part of some sort of Army “experiment” that did something to them, but he can’t explain what because the things he is experiencing have no explanation. Were they all part of some Manchurian Candidate group hypnosis experience? Guinea pigs in chemical warfare testing? Is Jacob truly going crazy? Or, is it an example of “I’m not paranoid if they really are coming to get me”?
Jacob’s Ladder is a frightfully effective film of a man who may or may not be losing his sanity. Robbins is perfect as the quiet, introspective, amiable fellow who is at the end of his rope and has nowhere to turn. Director Lyne does a great job keeping the horror in the shadows; playing with your mind’s ability to extrapolate and fill in a scene. The film works much better as a subtle exercise in psychological horror, as evidenced from a few more explicit scenes wisely cut from the film (but available on the DVD extras menu with or without commentary.) Even so, there are images so frightening that you will probably jump a couple of times. And replay them in your head while trying to sleep later. (Good luck.).
The film works best if you go in cold. Allow the film to unfold and reveal its secrets, and then watch it again. This movie deserves NOT to be spoiled, but I see plenty of reviews doing just that. Shame on those people.
Most of the DVD extras are not mentioned anywhere on the DVD case (unless this was corrected in a re-issue). The DVD contains the aforementioned deleted scenes; a trailer and TV spot (both of which contain scenes that were not in the released version); a “making of” type of documentary where the actors, writer, director, etc. give their impressions of the film and discuss some of the filmmaking techniques; and a director’s commentary which I enjoyed.
Ricky
04-04-2014, 03:51 PM
Nice review! I've had Jacob's Ladder in my queue for a while now, but might have to give it a bump now.
an excellent review! and yes, I would love to read your interpretation; I think many will be interested, so probably the best way would be to post it here, or better here (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?10291-Horror-films) or in some other standing thread, so it can be retrieved after the tournament threads are archived
I'll try to find the DVD version, because both the review and the imdb comments got me intrigued about those deleted scenes
Heather19
04-05-2014, 10:44 AM
I love Jacob's Ladder.
bears have also watched Stir of Echoes. Nothing special.
divemaster
04-05-2014, 12:36 PM
an excellent review! and yes, I would love to read your interpretation; I think many will be interested, so probably the best way would be to post it here, or better here (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?10291-Horror-films) or in some other standing thread, so it can be retrieved after the tournament threads are archived
I'll try to find the DVD version, because both the review and the imdb comments got me intrigued about those deleted scenes
I posted my comments in the thread you linked to. Feel free to move the post or suggest another thread if more appropriate. (If you do see the DVD deleted scenes, I'm positive you will agree that the movie is much better without them.)
Mattrick
04-05-2014, 12:48 PM
bears have also watched Stir of Echoes. Nothing special.
I liked Stir of Echoes, mostly because I'm a bacon fan and I really like Alison Janney (the psychic, she's a great character actress) and it tells a good story I just think it's one of those movies that would be better if it didn't concern itself so much with trying to be a horror when it's really a drama.
an excellent review! and yes, I would love to read your interpretation; I think many will be interested, so probably the best way would be to post it here, or better here (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?10291-Horror-films) or in some other standing thread, so it can be retrieved after the tournament threads are archived
I'll try to find the DVD version, because both the review and the imdb comments got me intrigued about those deleted scenes
I posted my comments in the thread you linked to. Feel free to move the post or suggest another thread if more appropriate. (If you do see the DVD deleted scenes, I'm positive you will agree that the movie is much better without them.)I think I won't bother with looking for the deleted scenes then
bears have also watched Stir of Echoes. Nothing special.
I liked Stir of Echoes, mostly because I'm a bacon fan and I really like Alison Janney (the psychic, she's a great character actress) and it tells a good story I just think it's one of those movies that would be better if it didn't concern itself so much with trying to be a horror when it's really a drama.She is the only part of the film I actually loved
Mattrick
04-05-2014, 04:50 PM
I'm going to have to catch up on some of these horrors but I doubt I'll get around to it for a another week or two...hopefully I can get quite a few in before we get into round 2. Think I'll start with The Innocents and House With Laughing Windows.
Heather19
04-05-2014, 06:17 PM
I really enjoyed Stir of Echos.
And Matt, let me know what you think of The Innocents after you've seen it. Jean, was this one of the ones you had to watch as well?
Mattrick
04-05-2014, 07:08 PM
I was hoping someone would have nominated The Sentinel since I've read it's one of the best horrors ever made that most people, including me, have never heard of. Now I'll have to watch it on top of too many of these nominations.
needfulthings
04-05-2014, 07:56 PM
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I really enjoyed Stir of Echos.
And Matt, let me know what you think of The Innocents after you've seen it. Jean, was this one of the ones you had to watch as well?yes :rose:
I was hoping someone would have nominated The Sentinel since I've read it's one of the best horrors ever made that most people, including me, have never heard of. Now I'll have to watch it on top of too many of these nominations.
I did not care for The Sentinel. I watched it when it first came out, but was not impressed. Gory, but not scary at all.
You didn't miss much.
sk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7LH0nQVv9I
Heather19
04-07-2014, 04:59 AM
I'm not sure I've even heard of The Sentinel.
Also Jean, please make The Innocents your next film.
Edit- I just looked it up on Netflix and there's a few. Are you referring to the one from 77?
Mattrick
04-07-2014, 04:48 PM
I think so. Not the one with Keifer in it from a few years ago for sure.
needfulthings
04-07-2014, 05:20 PM
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Merlin1958
04-07-2014, 05:35 PM
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You know, that was a pretty scary book as well.
Heather19
04-07-2014, 05:39 PM
Is it worth a watch Bruce? I'm surprised that I've never even heard it mentioned before.
needfulthings
04-07-2014, 05:43 PM
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Like the star said not as good as the book but it does have a good cast & have not seen it in over 15 years.
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Like the star said not as good as the book but it does have a good cast & have not seen it in over 15 years.
Bruce's collection never ceases to amaze!!
***
bears are still catching up... now watching Poltergeist. Halfway in. I'll finish it, out of respect for my friends here, but I find it barely watchable. I understand that it must have some sentimental value, but either it hasn't aged well, or one has to be American to appreciate it. Everything seems wrong to me: the tone, the acting, the story, the words they say, the editing, the picture, the sound, every expression of every face, the atmosphere... which is always the case when I'm trying to watch any Spielbert, by the way (I know he is only supposed to have produced it, but I read he did most of the directing himself. I wish he'd stuck to the producing. Maybe I would have seen something more appealing to bears, like Back to the Future)
needfulthings
04-08-2014, 09:46 AM
THANKS FOR THE:thumbsup:JEAN
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By the way, on the topic of what is and isn't horror:
https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/451404422040793088
Horror is when you know and love the characters, but you also know something very bad is going to happen to them. It's not the monsters!
By the way, on the topic of what is and isn't horror:
https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/451404422040793088
Horror is when you know and love the characters, but you also know something very bad is going to happen to them. It's not the monsters!
it's also tragedy, drama etc
Oh fuck I just realized we failed to nominate this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0YNoCenfeU
Heather19
04-14-2014, 08:35 AM
That was going to be one of my first nominations, but then I figured it'd have no chance and I didn't want to see it do so poorly.
I was sure it was nominated! what a shame
needfulthings
04-14-2014, 01:26 PM
That was going to be one of my first nominations, but then I figured it'd have no chance and I didn't want to see it do so poorly.
What do you mean I WAS going to be your first nomination?
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"HOIST WITH YOUR OWN PETARD"
fernandito
04-24-2014, 11:11 AM
The final bracket has been posted!
Thanks to everyone that's played thus far!
bears are always happy to play!
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T-Dogz_AK47
04-24-2014, 12:33 PM
I am very surprised that nobody has yet nominated this one... :eek:
FIGHT CLUB (1999)
Not a horror film. And also, way too late :)
T-Dogz_AK47
04-25-2014, 01:47 AM
Not a horror film. And also, way too late :)
You are VERY much mistaken. Fight Club is very much a horror film as it is a postmodern rethink of Psycho.
Still doubt me? Then check out the following official review from Empire magazine, as they categorically state that Fight Club is a horror movie:
http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/reviewcomplete.asp?FID=132789
In addition, it should be noted that In 2004 and 2006, Fight Club was voted by Empire readers as the ninth and eighth greatest film of all time, respectively.
Fight Club is undeniably a masterpiece of film making and one of the greatest horror movies of all time. To omit this movie from the voting list would be a travesty of justice, and would leave the final results of the poll redundant, as it can be likened to leaving out The Shining, Halloween or Jaws in terms of cinematic importance.
In view of the how great Fight Club is as a movie and in light of its cultural and cinematic significance, I would ask that this movie is granted an automatic bye to the next round so that it can be included properly in the poll and take its rightful place within the very top echelons of the horror genre. :)
Iwritecode
04-25-2014, 06:39 AM
Yea… no. It’s not a horror film.
fernandito
04-25-2014, 07:13 AM
In view of the how great Fight Club is as a movie and in light of its cultural and cinematic significance, I would ask that this movie is granted an automatic bye to the next round so that it can be included properly in the poll and take its rightful place within the very top echelons of the horror genre. :)
... u wot m8.
T-Dogz_AK47
04-25-2014, 08:02 AM
Yea… no. It’s not a horror film.
Fight Club is classified as psychological horror in the same vain as Psycho. It's certainly more a horror film than that utter shit Mummy trilogy I see got included in the poll. I mean WTF!!! The Mummy is a kid's action / adventure film!!!! :wtf:
And it's UTTER SHIT to boot!!! :mad:
Iwritecode
04-25-2014, 08:07 AM
Yea… no. It’s not a horror film.
Fight Club is classified as psychological horror in the same vain as Psycho. It's certainly more a horror film than that utter shit Mummy trilogy I see got included in the poll. I mean WTF!!! The Mummy is a kid's action / adventure film!!!! :wtf:
And it's UTTER SHIT to boot!!! :mad:
I agree with you about The Mummy trilogy but it’s a major stretch to compare Fight Club to Psycho. Sure they both have characters with some sort of dual personalities but that alone doesn’t make it a horror movie.
T-Dogz_AK47
04-25-2014, 08:22 AM
I agree with you about The Mummy trilogy but it’s a major stretch to compare Fight Club to Psycho. Sure they both have characters with some sort of dual personalities but that alone doesn’t make it a horror movie.
It's actually more to it than that. Read the official Empire magazine review and you'll see that there are many elements in Fight Club that make it a horror film.
http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/reviewcomplete.asp?FID=132789
divemaster
04-25-2014, 08:31 AM
Geeze, y'all are carrying on like a couple of dweebs debating the merits of the Designated Hitter!
;)
Iwritecode
04-25-2014, 08:57 AM
I agree with you about The Mummy trilogy but it’s a major stretch to compare Fight Club to Psycho. Sure they both have characters with some sort of dual personalities but that alone doesn’t make it a horror movie.
It's actually more to it than that. Read the official Empire magazine review and you'll see that there are many elements in Fight Club that make it a horror film.
http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/reviewcomplete.asp?FID=132789
I did. Still not horror.
Iwritecode
04-25-2014, 08:58 AM
I agree with you about The Mummy trilogy but it’s a major stretch to compare Fight Club to Psycho. Sure they both have characters with some sort of dual personalities but that alone doesn’t make it a horror movie.
It's actually more to it than that. Read the official Empire magazine review and you'll see that there are many elements in Fight Club that make it a horror film.
http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/reviewcomplete.asp?FID=132789
I did. Still not horror.
Iwritecode
04-25-2014, 09:20 AM
Geeze, y'all are carrying on like a couple of dweebs debating the merits of the Designated Hitter!
;)
Pfft. What sort of dweeb would do that? :innocent:
A little while after we're done with this tournament we totally should do the same for sci-fi movies :excited:
needfulthings
04-27-2014, 01:34 PM
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"THEIR NEXT!"?
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My thoughts exactly!
sk
I could nominate 128 films right now :biggrin1:
fernandito
04-28-2014, 08:36 AM
A little while after we're done with this tournament we totally should do the same for sci-fi movies :excited:
YES
YES
YES
Odetta
04-29-2014, 05:53 AM
That is a great idea!
fernandito
04-29-2014, 07:30 AM
I already have all my nominees in mind :D
Iwritecode
04-29-2014, 07:56 AM
It would be difficult for me to come up with sci-fi movies. Other than the Star Wars movies, I don’t watch much sci-fi. I watch comedies more than anything.
fernandito
04-29-2014, 08:00 AM
Give me power of attorney and I'll submit nominees on your behalf.
:evil:
We can do comedies after that. In fact, we would do five genres, and then have an all-time best face-off between them. So: horror, sci-fi, comedy, action, drama. or something to that effect.
fernandito
04-29-2014, 08:12 AM
We can do comedies after that. In fact, we would do five genres, and then have an all-time best face-off between them. So: horror, sci-fi, comedy, action, drama. or something to that effect.
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musicals! bears love musicals!!
Musicals are usually comedies (one of the best if not the best being Singin' in the Rain) so we could merge those two.
then we might have Sound of Music competing with Barton Fink in the same category
Well we can definitely have a separate tournament for musicals, but I think it would have to be less than 128 titles.
fernandito
04-29-2014, 08:34 AM
Yeahhhhh, I'd be out of the musicals tournament, don't really like em.
Not even Singin' in the Rain? One of the funniest films ever made!
Mary Poppins
Oliver!
West Side Story
My Fair Lady
bears adore all of them. Singin' in the Rain goes without saying
fernandito
04-29-2014, 09:01 AM
Does The Nightmare Before Christmas count? I know that film by heart. :fairy:
Does The Nightmare Before Christmas count? I know that film by heart. :fairy:
Sure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nightmare_Before_Christmas
The Nightmare Before Christmas, often promoted as Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas, is a 1993 American stop motion musical fantasy film
Heather19
04-29-2014, 04:21 PM
I love musicals.
Mattrick
04-29-2014, 11:29 PM
I can't stand musicals. They always come off as so contrived to me. It's one thing if the musical portions are integral to the plot but when characters starting singing and dancing either to themselves or there are choreographed group performances it just doesn't mesh for me. Like a film like Mike Leighs Topsy-Turvy which chronicles Gilbert and Sullivan, has a lot of musical numbers but it's part of the story and I love that movie. There are some I know I'll have to try and watch like The Sound of Music and Singing In The Rain as I hear they're simply great but musicals just don't do it for me for whatever reason. I'd much rather it be all singing like Les Miserables than sporadic numbers. Stuff like Chicago and Sweeny Todd just WOOOSH right over my head lol Musicals kind of leave me wishing I was seeing it live in a theatre sometimes.
needfulthings
04-30-2014, 12:02 AM
I CAN DIG IT !
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divemaster
04-30-2014, 06:01 AM
I like Mama Mia!
And Grease
Iwritecode
04-30-2014, 08:01 AM
I wouldn’t mind doing animated movies. There are some really good Disney/Pixar movies. “Frozen” seems to have taken over lately. Toy Story, Wall-E… Even some of the older ones like Beauty and the Beast or Aladdin.
Mattrick
04-30-2014, 10:50 AM
Wall-E wins. I don't consider it just the greatest animated film but one of the greatest films of all time.
T-Dogz_AK47
04-30-2014, 11:09 AM
Tangled all the way!! :clap:
I wouldn’t mind doing animated movies. There are some really good Disney/Pixar movies. “Frozen” seems to have taken over lately. Toy Story, Wall-E… Even some of the older ones like Beauty and the Beast or Aladdin.
Especially some of the older ones!
sk
Odetta
04-30-2014, 01:45 PM
Shrek :)
Mattrick
04-30-2014, 02:10 PM
Shrek hurts my head. Last Canada Day I watched it after drinking a 40 of whiskey and by the time they got to the castle I wanted to strangle Eddie Murphy.
I don't like separating animated films into their own "genre", since they can be any genre. One if my all-time favorite films is Grave of the Fireflies, which is a drama.
Mattrick
04-30-2014, 03:53 PM
I just consider it to be the medium. It's no more a genre than black and white films are a genre. Animated movies would range from Bambi and Lion King to Ghost In The Shell and Akira to A Scanner Darkly and Zemeckis's Beowulf.
Merlin1958
04-30-2014, 04:52 PM
And they are off..... LOL This debate will go on for quite some time IMHO Musicals, Animated, etc. Great reading!!!
I think it makes sense. Then "musical" can be considered the medium too, rather than a genre, and we can put Mary Poppins in "Comedies", and West Side Story in "drama". Bears like.
Iwritecode
05-01-2014, 06:59 AM
The American Film Institute classifies animation as a separate film genre.
AFI defines "animated" as a genre in which the film's images are primarily created by computer or hand and the characters are voiced by actors.
Wiki link. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFI%27s_10_Top_10)
fernandito
05-01-2014, 07:47 AM
I'm anxious to get phase II started already! :lol:
Mattrick
05-01-2014, 09:08 AM
If we do an animated one and Fantastic Planet doesn't pass the first round I might choke on my own saliva.
I would nominate that in the sci-fi tournament.
Heather19
05-01-2014, 10:55 AM
Just posted the last tiebreaker. So once that's over Round 2 can begin! :D
needfulthings
05-01-2014, 01:51 PM
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Mattrick
05-01-2014, 05:55 PM
I've watched Fantastic Planet at least a dozen times in the past couple of years. Such a great film. I actually heard rumblings of a remake recently.
We don't have traditional ratings, but after Round 1, the films that failed to move on can be ranked thus:
Movies with 3 points:
New Nightmare (+5 in tiebreaker)
Pan's Labyrinth (+4 in tiebreaker)
Puppet Master (+4 in tiebreaker)
Them (+4 in tiebreaker)
Jacob's Ladder (+3 in tiebreaker)
The Haunting (+1 in tiebreaker)
Army of Darkness
Pontypool
Movies with 2 points:
Funny Games (+4 in tiebreaker)
Horror of Dracula (+2 in tiebreaker)
Near Dark (+2 in tiebreaker)
1408
An American Warewolf in London
Bud Abbott & Lou Costello Meet Frankenstein
Dark Water
Event Horizon
Frailty
Ju-On
Orphan
Silent Hill
Stir of Echoes
The Bride of Frankenstein
The Devil's Backbone
The Last Exorcism
The Omen
The Orphanage
Movies with 1 point:
[REC]
2,000 Maniacs
Absentia
Cannibal Holocaust
Carnival of Souls
Class of Nuke 'Em High
Cloverfield
Cold Fish
Eyes Without a Face
I Spit on Your Grave
In Fear
Let the Right One In
May
Phantasm
Shiver
The Bad Seed
The Changeling
The Devil's Rock
The House on Haunted Hill
The Innocents
The Masque of the Red Death
The Wicker Man
Two Eyes Staring
Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?
Who Can Kill A Child
Movies with 0 points:
American Gothic
Bay of Blood
Black Sabbath
Black Sunday
Dark Corners
Deep Red
Don't Look Now
Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde
Fear(s) of the Dark
Fragile
Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer
Joshua
Kill List
Let's Scare Jessica to Death
Mimic
Onibaba
Paranormal Activity
Phantoms
Picnic at Hanging Rock
Suspiria
The Appeared
The Condemned
The Creature from the Black Lagoon
The Dark
The Mothman Prophecies
The Mummy
The Uninvited
The Vanishing
Zombi 2
Nine of the zero-point movies are bears' nominees. Nine. Almost one third.
It so happens six are mine.
Iwritecode
05-07-2014, 07:43 AM
There are a whole lot of movies in there I had never even heard of much less watched.
fernandito
05-07-2014, 09:08 AM
There are a whole lot of movies in there I had never even heard of much less watched.
One of the best aspects of these kind of tournaments; now you can update your Netflix queue with awesome new films to watch!
Here's some food for thought for our eventual sci-fi tournament: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/digital/fact-vs-fiction/the-100-best-sci-fi-movies-of-all-time#slide-1
fernandito
05-12-2014, 07:13 AM
Excellent list, although I'm not sure if I agree with Gattaca as number three...
I think I need to watch it again, it's been a while.
It's definitely in my Sci-Fi Top 10-or-So.
Heather19
05-12-2014, 09:10 AM
Excellent list, although I'm not sure if I agree with Gattaca as number three...
I think I need to watch it again, it's been a while.
I was wondering where Gattaca came from :lol: Well let me know how it is on a re-viewing. I don't recall being impressed with it either, but I saw it when it was first released and that was it.
fernandito
05-19-2014, 09:55 AM
The last two groups {7 & 8} of Round 2 have been posted!
Heather19
05-27-2014, 04:36 AM
The last two groups of round 2 have ended. Round 3 will begin soon :)
In addition to the below, there are the rankings for Round 2:
Movies with 4 points:
Bram Stoker's Dracula (+6 in tiebreaker)
Jaws (+5 in tiebreaker)
Dawn of the Dead
Friday the 13th
House of Wax
Scream
The Mist
The Others
The Thing
Movies with 3 points:
Re-Animator
Session 9
Movies with 2 points:
Audition
Blair Witch Project
Frakenstein
House of 1000 Corpses
Insidious
King Kong
Nosferatu
Repulsion
The Birds
Movies with 1 point:
A Tale of Two Sisters
From Dusk Til Dawn
Hellraiser
Pet Sematary
Saw
The Conjuring
The Descent
The Evil Dead
The Fly
The Thing from Another World
Movies with 0 points:
Carrie
Freaks
We don't have traditional ratings, but after Round 1, the films that failed to move on can be ranked thus:
Movies with 3 points:
New Nightmare (+5 in tiebreaker)
Pan's Labyrinth (+4 in tiebreaker)
Puppet Master (+4 in tiebreaker)
Them (+4 in tiebreaker)
Jacob's Ladder (+3 in tiebreaker)
The Haunting (+1 in tiebreaker)
Army of Darkness
Pontypool
Movies with 2 points:
Funny Games (+4 in tiebreaker)
Horror of Dracula (+2 in tiebreaker)
Near Dark (+2 in tiebreaker)
1408
An American Warewolf in London
Bud Abbott & Lou Costello Meet Frankenstein
Dark Water
Event Horizon
Frailty
Ju-On
Orphan
Silent Hill
Stir of Echoes
The Bride of Frankenstein
The Devil's Backbone
The Last Exorcism
The Omen
The Orphanage
Movies with 1 point:
[REC]
2,000 Maniacs
Absentia
Cannibal Holocaust
Carnival of Souls
Class of Nuke 'Em High
Cloverfield
Cold Fish
Eyes Without a Face
I Spit on Your Grave
In Fear
Let the Right One In
May
Phantasm
Shiver
The Bad Seed
The Changeling
The Devil's Rock
The House on Haunted Hill
The Innocents
The Masque of the Red Death
The Wicker Man
Two Eyes Staring
Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?
Who Can Kill A Child
Movies with 0 points:
American Gothic
Bay of Blood
Black Sabbath
Black Sunday
Dark Corners
Deep Red
Don't Look Now
Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde
Fear(s) of the Dark
Fragile
Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer
Joshua
Kill List
Let's Scare Jessica to Death
Mimic
Onibaba
Paranormal Activity
Phantoms
Picnic at Hanging Rock
Suspiria
The Appeared
The Condemned
The Creature from the Black Lagoon
The Dark
The Mothman Prophecies
The Mummy
The Uninvited
The Vanishing
Zombi 2
Heather19
05-28-2014, 10:59 AM
And we're almost over. Just posted the first two groups of round 3. The top film from each group will make it onto the semi-final round, where they'll all go up against each other with the top 2 films going on to compete against each other in the final round. There's some great films left, these last few groups are going to be tough.
Iwritecode
06-10-2014, 06:53 AM
So we are down to the final 4. When does the next round start?
fernandito
06-10-2014, 08:32 AM
Today^ :)
fernandito
06-10-2014, 12:00 PM
Check out the top 5. :)
http://www.timeout.com/london/film/the-100-best-horror-films-the-full-list?pageNumber=5
needfulthings
06-10-2014, 12:08 PM
I am NOT a sports fan....But it looks like we are in the same ballpark.:clap:
http://imageshack.com/a/img820/1378/m7nu.jpg
also a HEADS up for Jack Davis.
That's a pretty good list, most of the films were in our own Top 128. Some I would classify squarely as sci-fi (Invasion of Body Snatchers, Videodeome) or drama (Come and See, Saló).
While the previous rankings are contained in a spoiler below, here they are for Round 3:
Movies with 9 points:
Halloween
The Sixth Sense
Movies with 8 points:
A Nightmare on Elm Street
The Silence of the Lambs
Movies with 7 points:
Night of the Living Dead
Movies with 4 points:
28 Days Later
Movies with 3 points:
Evil Dead 2
Misery
Poltergeist
Movies with 2 points:
The Ring
Movies with 1 point:
Rosemary's Baby
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
In addition to the below, there are the rankings for Round 2:
Movies with 4 points:
Bram Stoker's Dracula (+6 in tiebreaker)
Jaws (+5 in tiebreaker)
Dawn of the Dead
Friday the 13th
House of Wax
Scream
The Mist
The Others
The Thing
Movies with 3 points:
Re-Animator
Session 9
Movies with 2 points:
Audition
Blair Witch Project
Frakenstein
House of 1000 Corpses
Insidious
King Kong
Nosferatu
Repulsion
The Birds
Movies with 1 point:
A Tale of Two Sisters
From Dusk Til Dawn
Hellraiser
Pet Sematary
Saw
The Conjuring
The Descent
The Evil Dead
The Fly
The Thing from Another World
Movies with 0 points:
Carrie
Freaks
We don't have traditional ratings, but after Round 1, the films that failed to move on can be ranked thus:
Movies with 3 points:
New Nightmare (+5 in tiebreaker)
Pan's Labyrinth (+4 in tiebreaker)
Puppet Master (+4 in tiebreaker)
Them (+4 in tiebreaker)
Jacob's Ladder (+3 in tiebreaker)
The Haunting (+1 in tiebreaker)
Army of Darkness
Pontypool
Movies with 2 points:
Funny Games (+4 in tiebreaker)
Horror of Dracula (+2 in tiebreaker)
Near Dark (+2 in tiebreaker)
1408
An American Warewolf in London
Bud Abbott & Lou Costello Meet Frankenstein
Dark Water
Event Horizon
Frailty
Ju-On
Orphan
Silent Hill
Stir of Echoes
The Bride of Frankenstein
The Devil's Backbone
The Last Exorcism
The Omen
The Orphanage
Movies with 1 point:
[REC]
2,000 Maniacs
Absentia
Cannibal Holocaust
Carnival of Souls
Class of Nuke 'Em High
Cloverfield
Cold Fish
Eyes Without a Face
I Spit on Your Grave
In Fear
Let the Right One In
May
Phantasm
Shiver
The Bad Seed
The Changeling
The Devil's Rock
The House on Haunted Hill
The Innocents
The Masque of the Red Death
The Wicker Man
Two Eyes Staring
Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?
Who Can Kill A Child
Movies with 0 points:
American Gothic
Bay of Blood
Black Sabbath
Black Sunday
Dark Corners
Deep Red
Don't Look Now
Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde
Fear(s) of the Dark
Fragile
Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer
Joshua
Kill List
Let's Scare Jessica to Death
Mimic
Onibaba
Paranormal Activity
Phantoms
Picnic at Hanging Rock
Suspiria
The Appeared
The Condemned
The Creature from the Black Lagoon
The Dark
The Mothman Prophecies
The Mummy
The Uninvited
The Vanishing
Zombi 2
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