Questions and Comments on our Catalogs

[olverts]

I never really looked at it either , so it´s fine by me if you remove it .

[Randall Flagg]

To be honest, it's a section I never really looked at. Maybe it's worth including the illustrations in the entries of the books themselves (in the Collectibles Catalog)?
Take a look. I am sure some could be incorporated, but there are a few unique/quirky entries.
The reasons that I wonder about eliminating it are-no traffic there, it takes up space above the bar for CC section, it is substantially incomplete and it isn't a wiki.

[biomieg]

The current Catalog includes the six Signet (1996) GREEN MILE paperbacks and the Scribner (2000) hardcover of the 'complete' edition. Should the Plume (1997) trade paperback of the complete edition also be included?

I'm asking because I was wondering whether or not to include the Orion (1998 ) UK trade PB of the 'complete' Green Mile in the future UK Catalog. It comes between the six Penguin (1996) paperbacks and the Orion (2000) hardcover.

What to do? Include both or include neither? Or... ?

[biomieg]

To be honest, it's a section I never really looked at. Maybe it's worth including the illustrations in the entries of the books themselves (in the Collectibles Catalog)?
Take a look. I am sure some could be incorporated, but there are a few unique/quirky entries.
The reasons that I wonder about eliminating it are-no traffic there, it takes up space above the bar for CC section, it is substantially incomplete and it isn't a wiki.

I'm curious to see what other people think!

[Randall Flagg]

The current Catalog includes the six Signet (1996) GREEN MILE paperbacks and the Scribner (2000) hardcover of the 'complete' edition. Should the Plume (1997) trade paperback of the complete edition also be included?

I'm asking because I was wondering whether or not to include the Orion (1998 ) UK trade PB of the 'complete' Green Mile in the future UK Catalog. It comes between the six Penguin (1996) paperbacks and the Orion (2000) hardcover.

What to do? Include both or include neither? Or... ?
Good questions. I don't really know. Perhaps the Scribner hardcover doesn't belong....

[Shannon]

The Green Mile paperbacks are the first editions, and the complete Green Mile paperback is the first "complete" edition, which is a "new work" by SK as much as the Uncut Stand and Illustrated 'Salem's lot are.

I have visited the Illustration section a few times and have been disappointed at its incompleteness. When I was choosing a piece of artwork to buy from Full Dark, No Stars, half of the pieces weren't there. So sad. Great idea though, the section. And an even greater idea to have a page break under where the normal Catalog entry ends and add the artwork there!

[Merlin1958]

Wow, I never realized what that was about or how cool it is!!! Don't laugh!!!

Hey look, I'm maybe just a part of the "Peanut Gallery", but seems to me that you have to somehow drive folks to these forums so they see what they are missing. I will certainly be referencing it from now on.Just "Spit-balling" here, but Remarques are hot and I would say a case would be made for them to be considered "Illustrations" though maybe non-traditional. Maybe moving the Remarkable Remarque thread there would generate some traffic. Perhaps, other "Art based" threads? maybe "sticky" a few particularly relevant and/or popular Artist threads? Maybe even posting some of the "Case Art" illustrations or Charity Auctions with Remarques in that forum? Like I said just throwing stuff out there.

Anyway, feel free to ignore me. Just trying to help in any small way. Bottom line, somehow you gotta "Show" folks what they are missing by sticking it in their face!!! Know what I mean?

[AKC]

Speaking of Remarques, I've got one coming that deserves its own Thread.....

Not "1 of a kind" but probably 1 of 10 out there with ORIGINAL Art....the other 9 are probably in the TDT Family.

Stay tuned to the New Pride and Joy AND Remarkable Remarques Thread.....

End of week.....maybe.

AKC

[herbertwest]

I totally forgot about the ILLUSTRATIONS catalog to be honnest.. Probably have been left out since about couple of years or so..

[Randall Flagg]

I totally forgot about the ILLUSTRATIONS catalog to be honnest.. Probably have been left out since about couple of years or so..
That is an example of why I think it needs to go.

[Merlin1958]

I totally forgot about the ILLUSTRATIONS catalog to be honnest.. Probably have been left out since about couple of years or so..
That is an example of why I think it needs to go.

RF? Of course, it's your call, but now that I am aware of it the Illustrations catalog will be an invaluable reference. Especially considering my proclivities!!! Maybe take one more stab at driving traffic?

Just a thought.

[Shannon]

I vote for the incorporating it into the book's Catalog page.

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[Randall Flagg]

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[Patrick]

I'm in favor of the idea of moving the illustrations into the book's catalog entry - as a discussion post or however. No comment on format.

[Shannon]

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[Randall Flagg]

I don't know what the vbulletin code for horizontal line is either.

[Randall Flagg]

Should the 25 copy Duddits be listed in the catalog?

[biomieg]

It should be - in the forthcoming King Miscellanea Catalog!

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

Should the 25 copy Duddits be listed in the catalog?

No non-English items should be in the catalog. King is an American. Deal with it!

The non-English items are all catered for in the other European sites, which are maintained by many of the members of this site.

[Shannon]

US and UK items only. Unless King does a Signed Limited Edition of a book in German, it shouldn't count.

[biomieg]

That's why I say: create a Miscellanea Catalog and add it there. It can't be denied that the signed Duddits book is something that a lot of collectors find interesting. Like the Edition Phantasia books (those are not even signed) - they don't belong in the regular Catalog either but they have somehow become collectible (many of you guys own them), and therefore deserve their spot.

Other foreign books like the Dutch 'limited' The Stand have not had the same exposure and appeal to collectors and therefore they are rightfully excluded from the Catalog.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

All sections of the Catalog should be:

100% complete, without any omissions.
100% verifiable, without inacuracies.
Up to date.

A list of foreign editions would never meet the criteria above. No one knows what books are published in countries overseas. Can anyone acurately list the books King has published in Japan? Korea? Khasakstan? Outer Mongolia? Get the picture?

Foreign editions should be left to specialist foreign sites.

[biomieg]

Alan, I agree with you but then the ES entry has to go as well. I'm simply saying that if other 'interesting' German editions can stay, there's no reason not to include the DUDDITS book. Almost every big collector owns these books and they sell for more than many of King's US S/Ls so apparently they are collectible. I wouldn't mind at all if they are ditched from the Catalog - it's simply a matter of being consistent.

And if it's being decided that the German books can stay, they should be moved to a separate area (IMO).

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

And if it's being decided that the German books can stay, they should be moved to a separate area (IMO).

Totally agree.

[Shannon]

I agree three!

[Shannon]

Added a current Table Of Contents for the King's Short Works section. Please sticky it, thanks.

http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Short+Works:Kings+Short+Works:+ Table+Of+Contents

[Randall Flagg]

Great work Shannon. I put a large blue Table of Contents link in the header. Hopefully members appreciate the hard work you have put in.
As one member said to me via PM:

This section is the dogs' bollocks!

Secondly, I regard the SK Proofs section as another internet best. You cannot find info like this anywhere else. John's list is well maintained and our members have provided pictures and exclusive info and insight into this specialist market. Another huge winner for TDT.org

SK First Editions is next. Our list is the best, and most educational. The majority of members and visitors will go to this section first, basically because most people can aspire to a complete collection of 1st Editions. The S/L and Proofs are out-of-reach to the majority of King collectors. Top notch.

UK 1st editions are secondary. Yes, put them in, but as a sub-section. Remember I am from the UK, but King is an American, and very proud of it.

SK first appearances of stories. King has been very prolific in his short stories throughout his long career. I think he enjoys his short stories more than his novels. We have lists and pictures of all, (well most), of his 1st appearances. This is probably the most wonderous section to TDT.net. Where else can you see pre-Carrie, and very rare editions of the 1st appearances. The visitors must wonder in amazment at the wealth of info here.

That would be my opinion of the TDT.org catalog.

[biomieg]

Very nice to hear! By the way, I finished the basic text for the UK Trade Edition entries. I will shoot pics of all the books shortly, upload them and notify you, Jerome. When you create a new Wiki I'll add the entries. As soon as I receive my scanner I can update the entries with scans rather than pics - if you and/or others feel that it's necessary. Maybe some good pics of each book will suffice?

[Shannon]

That is nice to hear. Yay, we're doing a good job! :)

[Patrick]

You guys are kicking ass.

[Randall Flagg]

Very nice to hear! By the way, I finished the basic text for the UK Trade Edition entries. I will shoot pics of all the books shortly, upload them and notify you, Jerome. When you create a new Wiki I'll add the entries. As soon as I receive my scanner I can update the entries with scans rather than pics - if you and/or others feel that it's necessary. Maybe some good pics of each book will suffice?
Scans are not required. They sometimes look better, but a nice picture(s) will suffice.

[Robert Fulman]

Stephen King wrote an introduction for Lawrence Block's "The Sins of the Fathers" first hardcover edition, and also wrote a tribute to Fritz Leiber which was published by Grant in "Gummitch and Friends". Should these be included in the Short Works section, or somewhere else, or nowhere else?

(There is a S/L of "Sins of the Fathers", and the comment for the entry says "King contributed the introduction: “No cats: an appreciation of Lawrence Block and Matt Scudder”, so maybe it doesn't need to be included elsewhere.)

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

There are several hundred non-fiction things not included in the Short Works Catalog. That's why I think the fiction and non-fiction should be seperated.

We know every bit of fiction that has been published, but we will never know all the non-fiction. I know of lots of UK press interveiws that are not included in any reference. Every time King releases a book, he gives inteviews to the Times, Guardian, Independant, Scotsman, Glasow Herald etc., usually by phone.

[carlosdetweiller]

In my collection I separate interviews (and articles about King) from true nonfiction writing by King. But even Justin Brooks is continually finding nonfiction writing by King that was previously missing from his compilations.

I sometimes feel that you guys are covering ground that has already been covered by Justin Brooks. His bibliography is truly amazing in its scope and completeness. I know when I want to look something up or confirm something I reach for his book. He has spent many, many years doing this and his bibliography is the standard reference. Are you guys trying to equal or surpass Justin's work? I think what you are trying to do has already been done. What am I missing here?

[Randall Flagg]

I don't believe Brook's bibliography has the graphic presentation that is in the Collectibles Catalog. It also can't be added to or updated in "real time" as can things here. Additionally, when we communicate here we aren't all sitting with a JB Bibliography in hand, but can easily open a tab and view articles in the Catalog. Each article in the Catalog can be commented on and discussed in a "live" forum whereas no comments or discussion of the bibliography are (to my knowledge) taking place. There is one thread where JB asked for members help-and that's it.
As for surpassing his work-if we did great, but that isn't my goal; certainly complimenting-supplementing his work is.

[carlosdetweiller]

I guess that I have just had a copy of the latest edition of Justin's bibliography on the shelf above my computer at home for so long that I assume every serious collector does too. I probably pull it out two or three times a week to look something up. It is such a reflex movement to me that I can't imagine myself looking somewhere else first. I think it is all I need. But pictures would be nice, I guess.

[Randall Flagg]

I could-and probably will add the art information about the cover for Different Seasons. That and a hyperlink to the artist. That is just one example of the real time organic nature of the Catalog. I doubt that information is in the JBB.
Bob, you are considered to have one of the most complete collections of King items in the world. If you want to go look at a lettered Firestarter, or a Cujo guitar, it's easy for you. Many of the members who come here don't have that luxury, and the Catalog is the next best thing.
With your wealth of knowledge I am sure you could add information to most of the items in the catalog. Just click on the "Discussion" tab and contribute.

[carlosdetweiller]

I understand all of that and agree. I guess when I read that y'all were thinking about complete short fiction and nonfiction lists that seemed like such a huge undertaking to do something that had already been done in a very scholarly and accessible book that I wondered why. Now I know. Thanks.

[jhanic]

I also keep a copy of Brooks' Bibliography at my computer. As Bob said, I can't imagine a serious collector without a copy.

John

[Randall Flagg]

Shannon has a passion for this project. If he is happy doing it, I believe it only adds to the site, and in no way detracts.

I'm not sure if all our members are aware, but the Catalog is a "wiki". Technically speaking, any member could create or add to an article-much like wikipedia.

[Randall Flagg]

I also keep a copy of Brooks' Bibliography at my computer. As Bob said, I can't imagine a serious collector without a copy.

John
<----------------------------------Keeps copy near restroom-reads more often.

[biomieg]

Personally I think the Catalog complements Brooks' book in the sense that it provides visuals and also (very important for novice collectors) 1st edition/printing identifiers for the trade editions. But it's most definitely not a replacement for the book.

[Randall Flagg]

What page in the JBB are these on?

#975 1/25/2008 Books With Batteries
#977 2/8/2008 Pop Goes the Presidency
#980 2/29/2008 Oh, The Horror!
#983 3/21/2008 Fast Blurb Nation
#986 4/11/2008 Videogame Lunacy
#990 5/9/2008 My Real Top 20
#995/#996 6/6/2008 Playing Against Hype
#999/#1000 7/4/2008 My Favorite Year 1999
#1001 7/11/2008 Small is Scary
#1004 8/1/2008 Consider the Junior Mint
#1007/#1008 8/22/08 Pimp My Sport
#1010/#1011 9/12/08 The Hunger Games by Suzanne Collins, review by S. King
#1012 9/19/08 What a Guy Wants
#1014 10/3/08 Kings response to Ltr to Editor entitled Novel Behavior
#1015 10/10/08 Gimme a Break
#1018 10/31/08 The HD Candidates
#1021/#1022 11/21/08 Thank You Notes
#1024 12/5/08 The Best Albums of 2008
#1025 12/12/08 The Best Books of 2008
#1026 12/19/08 The Best Films of 2008
#1027/#1028 12/26/08 Michael Crichton
#1031 1/23/09 Wishing and Hoping
#1035 2/20/09 Torture and '24'
#1038 3/13/09 "Breaking" Point
#1041 4/3/09 In Bad Company
#1044/#1045 4/24/09 The Trouble With Earworms
#1048 5/22/09 Booking your Summer
#1051 6/12/09 The Future of Your Tube
#1055 7/10/09 Memories of Michael
#1058 7/31/2009 My Screen Addiction
#1061/#1062 08/21/09 Where the Joys Are.
#1065/#1066 9/18/09 What's Next For Pop Culture?
#1069/#1070 10/9/09 The One That Got Away
#1073 10/30/09 The Secret To Pop Culture Snacking
#1074 11/6/09 Exclusive Excerpt Under The Dome
#1076 11/20/09 My Ultimate Playlist
#1079/#1080 12/11/09 The Best TV OF 2009
#1081 12/18/09 The Best Books of 2009
#1084 1/8/10 The Best Movies of '09
#1086 1/22/10 Decoding Movie Blurbs
#1089/#1090 2/12/10 Hey, Jay - Good Night, and Good Luck
#1092 3/5/2010 Putting Movies First
#1096 4/2/2010 Inspector of Gadgets
#1099/#1100 4/23/2010 Big Audio Dynamite
#1105/#1106 6/4/2010 The Most Obnoxious TV Commercial. Ever.
#1107 6/18/2010 Get Me Bruce Willis!
#1110/#1111 7/9/10 My Must Summer Reads
#1113 7/30/2010 The Wit and Wisdom of Stephen King
#1114 8/6/2010 Rush To Judgement
#1115 8/13/2010 First Look (Sons of Anarchy)
#1118 9/3/2010 My 2010 Hits and Misses
#1122 10/1/2010 Higher and Higher
#1125/#1126 10/22/2010 Harry Who?
#1128 11/12/2010 Exclusive Excerpt Full Dark, No Stars
#1131 12/3/2010 The Best Films of 2010
#1132 12/10/2010 The Best TV 0f 2010
#1133 12/17/2010 The Best Books I Read This Year
#1136 1/7/2011 So Long, My Friends
[B]-------------------[The Pop of King concludes]-------------------
#1157/#1158 6/3/2011 My Summer Reading List
#1166 8/5/2011 My Summer Reading
#1178 10/28/2011 Exclusive Excerpt 11/22/63
#1184 12/9/2011 My 2011 Pop Culture Favorites
#1185 12/16/2011 The Killing

I know they are here.

[herbertwest]

I guess that I have just had a copy of the latest edition of Justin's bibliography on the shelf above my computer at home for so long that I assume every serious collector does too. I probably pull it out two or three times a week to look something up. It is such a reflex movement to me that I can't imagine myself looking somewhere else first. I think it is all I need. But pictures would be nice, I guess.

I have the book IN my computer, and i go into it quite regularly.

[Randall Flagg]

I have the book IN my computer, and i go into it quite regularly.
Interesting. I suppose I will have to look and see how to purchase the online version. Would you please provide the link?

[God]

i am having a hard time locating current information about some of stephen kings works....my mind must be growing fuzzy..that or i am too busy working on peace in the middle east-christ i can never get this worked out.
can someone please point me to information about this whole time travel to save kennedy (by the way i tried that three times myself but every change resulted in barry goldwater winning with larry flynt as the v.p.) king book? i swear i took a book off the shelf.. and it is full of old information...it's been sitting here since 2008 and there is not a recent thing to be found. oh well, i will just put the book back next to my l. ron hubbard crap...

[God]

I have the book IN my computer, and i go into it quite regularly.

please be careful storing books inside of your computer....many people have been killed by these types of fires

[Randall Flagg]

Where are these in the JBB?

A Very Tight Place
McSweeney’s Quarterly Concern #27 [May 2008]
The New York Times at Special Bargain Rates
The Magazine of Science Fiction and Fantasy [Oct/Nov 2008]
N
Extracted in several parts online/DVD [2008]
Throttle (In collaboration with son Joe Hill)
He is Legend (Feb 2009) S/L numbered to 750
Morality
Esquire magazine (June 2009)
Premium Harmony
New Yorker magazine (9 November 2009)
Blockade Billy
Cemetery Dance Publications (20 April 2010) hardback
1922
Full Dark, No Stars (2010) hardback
Big Driver
Full Dark, No Stars (2010) hardback
Fair Extension
Full Dark, No Stars (2010) hardback
A Good Marriage
Full Dark, No Stars (2010) hardback
Herman Wouk is Still Alive
The Atlantic magazine (May 2011)
Under the Weather
Full Dark, No Stars (June 2011) US paperback
Mile 81
Scribner e-book (Sept 1st 2011) 80 pages
The Dune
Granta Magazine (29 Oct 2011)
The Little Green God of Agony
A Book of Horrors Jo Fletcher Books/Quercus, (2011) UK hardback

They are here.

[carlosdetweiller]

Yes. I get your point. Any book published in hard copy will be out of date at some point prior to publication. The latest entries in the addenda to Justin's book are early 2008. So anything after that will not be in his book or the two addenda.

[Merlin1958]

Just to weigh in, I have only recently been awakened to the wealth of knowledge and information available, for my own stupidity, but these guys have assembled a truly remarkable, living digest of King works. Anyone who suggests otherwise is being foolish, IMHO

[Shannon]

I plan to include all first appoearances of his short works. Fiction, nonfiction, poems, puzzles, introductions, afterwords, author's notes, excerpts, recipes, etc.

I will not be including interviews, quotes, or stories about King.

I want it to be complete. Everything from start to finish. Mr. Brooks did an amazing job on his book, and --just to weigh in-- I keep a copy of his book and two addendums directly behind my laptop for easy access. His book is vast, but it lacks a lot of details, one of which are the covers of the magazines/anthologies the short works are in. His bibliography, as well as countless other resources, have helped and are going to continue to help shape the Short Works section.

MRT: "There are several hundred non-fiction things not included in the Short Works Catalog. That's why I think the fiction and non-fiction should be seperated."

In my new Table Of Contents, the fiction and nonfiction sections are separate. There are lots of short works missing because I'm not done. I'm sensing a pattern of impatience here, lol.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

In my new Table Of Contents, the fiction and nonfiction sections are separate. There are lots of short works missing because I'm not done. I'm sensing a pattern of impatience here, lol.

Not at all. Any non-fiction section will NEVER be complete as no-one knows whats out there. The non-fiction is not publicised like fiction is.

[Shannon]

I agree. But it is my goal to get it as near complete as possible. Once something is discovered, it's found forever.

[herbertwest]

I have the book IN my computer, and i go into it quite regularly.
Interesting. I suppose I will have to look and see how to purchase the online version. Would you please provide the link?


STEPHEN KING - THE NON FICTION (ebook, by Cemetery Dance) (http://www.cemeterydance.com/page/CDP/PROD/e_wood01)

They dont seem to have the PRIMARY BIBLIOGRAPHY as an ebook.

[carlosdetweiller]

I think it would be cool (but I don't know how feasible) if Justin could offer his bibliography in a digital format that could stored on our computers. Then, maybe for a modest yearly fee, he could send updated versions two or three times per year. I'm going to ask him about it.

[biomieg]

I wholeheartedly agree. I would pay for that.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

I think it would be cool (but I don't know how feasible) if Justin could offer his bibliography in a digital format that could stored on our computers. Then, maybe for a modest yearly fee, he could send updated versions two or three times per year. I'm going to ask him about it.

I seem to remember Justin saying he was going release an electronic version.

[herbertwest]

I think it would be cool (but I don't know how feasible) if Justin could offer his bibliography in a digital format that could stored on our computers. Then, maybe for a modest yearly fee, he could send updated versions two or three times per year. I'm going to ask him about it.

That's a great idea !

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

In my new Table Of Contents, the fiction and nonfiction sections are separate. There are lots of short works missing because I'm not done. I'm sensing a pattern of impatience here, lol.

Not at all. Any non-fiction section will NEVER be complete as no-one knows whats out there. The non-fiction is not publicised like fiction is.

Here's another non-fiction piece that was not known about:

"This is excerpted from an interview he did for Der Spiegel (Germany) to promote 11/22/63 that came out yesterday (January 23, 2012). The publisher sent me a quick translation so am able to get it to you in English:

SPIEGEL: Why did you finally write it?
King: Because of Obama. The optimism, the hope and the enthusiasm when he took office. And this hatred at the same time. I know it from my own family. Back then we all were right-winged republicans. The name of the democratic president Roosevelt wasn’t mentioned in our home. We referred to him only as “The guy in the White House”. We hated him. And Kennedy, too.

SPIEGEL: Why did you break with your family’s political tradition?
King: Vietnam. 1968, at the age of 21, I voted for Nixon. Because Nixon said, he has a plan to bring us out of Vietnam. My wife Tabby still keeps laughing at me for having believed in him. After a while, it became clear that the whole Vietnam-thing was disguised imperialism and that we could never win. That has changed life for me. And Kennedy’s assassination was the starting point of this culture of hatred in our country. I wanted to find out, if I could make a story from this problem. "

[carlosdetweiller]

For the purposes of my collection I wouldn't consider the above to be nonfiction. I would consider it to be interview material and, as such, of much less importance to me. I do collect interviews if they come my way and cheaply but don't really seek them out like I do real published writing (both fiction and nonfiction).

[Robert Fulman]

Reminds me of a description on Abebooks of George Beahm's "Stephen King Story": A major chapter in the author's life's work of chronicling every book, burp and fart ever produced by Stephen King. I laugh every time I come across that one in my searches.

[Shannon]

Same here. Magazines with interviews in them are one step above reprinted fiction short stories for me.

New Fiction
New Nonfiction
Interviews
Reprinted Fiction
Reprinted Nonfiction
Articles About Stephen King
Articles Or Stories That Have A Small Mention Of Stephen King

[Randall Flagg]

Same here. Magazines with interviews in them are one step above reprinted fiction short stories for me.

New Fiction
New Nonfiction
Interviews
Reprinted Fiction
Reprinted Nonfiction
Articles About Stephen King
Articles Or Stories That Have A Small Mention Of Stephen King
This post with the words Stephen King

[Shannon]

lol, if my "hobby" ever gets so bad that I feel the need to start printing out internet pages, just shoot me.

[biomieg]

Well, there are some 'non-fiction pieces' in Brooks' book that existed as text on webpages only... and I'm pretty sure that at least some people have printed those out.

[Shannon]

Yes, but not every TDT.org page, lol.

[biomieg]

Jerome has slightly rearranged the Catalog and added a First Editions Wiki. The US trades have moved and I'm in the process of adding the UK trades. I'm including photos of the books rather than scans and I'm looking forward to reading your opinons. They're not great but they should do the trick, I think! Enjoy!

[Randall Flagg]

I need a photo for the header on the top of the First Edition Page. Preferably a side by side of the US and UK Carrie, or some other pair of early King books.

[biomieg]

I know Mr. Rabbit Trick has one, otherwise I can provide one - but it will have to be tomorrow. The one I posted in my collection thread is low quality:

http://www.thedarktower.org/custom/images/1327959895-carrie.JPG

[Randall Flagg]

Where should the following titles go:
Dead Zone, The - Easton HC 1985 (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Dead+Zone+The+-+Easton+HC+1985)

Just After Sunset-Collector's Set (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Just+After+Sunset-Collectors+Set)

Lisey's Story - BOMC (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Liseys+Story+-+BOMC)

UNDER THE DOME - COLLECTOR'S SET (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=UNDER+THE+DOME+-+COLLECTORS+SET)

[jhanic]

I'd suggest making them separate items, just as the signed numbered book club edition of Full Dark Not Stars.

John

[biomieg]

The consensus (I think) is that these are a kind of 'gift' editions.

[Shannon]

Any limited edition books should be in a separate Gift/Artist Edition section.

[tippy4]

The consensus (I think) is that these are a kind of 'gift' editions.


Any limited edition books should be in a separate Gift/Artist Edition section.

Agreed.

[Randall Flagg]

I left them in the catalog containing S/L's, gift and artist editions. Nothing etched in stone.

[biomieg]

I finished uploading the UK trade editions. I think I got all books covered except The Green Mile.

1) It turns out that I only have four of the six first printing PBs. Another illusion (of me owning a full set of UK 1sts) shattered!
2) Do we include the Orion HC (2000)? The US Scribner HC is there. But neither are true firsts.

Anyway - I'll remedy the missing Green Mile PB issue ASAP. Meanwhile, I look forward to hearing if the Orion HC should be included as well.

[Randall Flagg]

Thanks for completing a very time consuming task.
Don't forget we will need an index. We have to figure out who wants to do that.
I also was hoping someone would send me a nice photo of two side by side US/Uk first editions, preferably the earlier books.

[biomieg]

I will provide both, if you don't mind waiting a couple more days. I don't mind doing this kind of stuff - I usually have the laptop standby when my girlfriend is reading a book so it really doesn't take too much of my time.

[Randall Flagg]

As a test, I put up thumbnails of cover images from King 1st editions in the section header. Clicking on the thumbnail takes you to the article.
Thoughts on a "visual" table of contents, versus a standard list? We could have both. Atop the header could be a "Quick Links" to the typed TOC, and then below cover images.

[jhanic]

I think I'd like both.

John

[Randall Flagg]

The "worry" is that with 10 books wide there would be 20 rows. However, the TOC could still be on top.

[herbertwest]

Looks good !

[Randall Flagg]

As a test, there are 7 rows of 10 images. It was easiest to just copy the first row while doing the test. I'm trying to get a feel for what would look good. We could have an image for every King 1st edition, with the UK image next to the US image. All of the images would (when clicked on), take you to the article. Or one could simply use the TOC at the top of the page.
Just playing around to see what is best.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

IMO
The US/UK images photo links to the 1st Edition pages is very professional. The index text links would be secondary, but most useful. Whether we like it or not, the general internet user in as thick as two short planks, and tend to click on a image before a link. Hence the profililation of "apps".

[Randall Flagg]

Everything is "visual based" (biased), someone who wished to look through the text index could click on the top TOC highlighted in blue. If not, they could click on the book cover. There are a few challenges for layout (not every US version has a UK version, I haven't seen a good 150 pixel tall image of the UK "The Stand" etc.). Limitations of the Vbulletin software (and my ability) make it cumbersome. I still think the "visual based" versus text base are what set it aside from a textbook.
It will take some time, but perhaps I'll give it a go. The worst case is I scrap it and we still have the content. It just is time consuming to locate every cover, resize it, and upload it, then insert the hyperlinks into the images.

[Shannon]

I like the images, my only thought is that, with that being the header for every page, every page would have a huge header to scroll through in order to get to the good stuff (think about Betts' website)

I think the header should be an image stating that you are on the King First Editions section of the Wiki, and then under that should be links to the "First Edition Table Of Contents - Text" and "First Edition Table Of Contents - Visual" pages. I think they should be separate.

[Randall Flagg]

I am thinking I may have to abandon the "chronological" cover project as not every King book was done simultaneously in the US and UK or close. It may be better to do it alphabetically, but with images so that one can see the "side by side" covers.
BTW, It's a ton of work to gather the proper images and re-size them. I also could do the chronological page based entirely on the US publication date, with the Uk cover(s) next to the US image.
Additionally, I'm sure I could look it up, but can anyone share a King book chronology that includes everything in our Trade 1st editions?

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

I am thinking I may have to abandon the "chronological" cover project as not every King book was done simultaneously in the US and UK or close. It may be better to do it alphabetically, but with images so that one can see the "side by side" covers.
BTW, It's a ton of work to gather the proper images and re-size them. I also could do the chronological page based entirely on the US publication date, with the Uk cover(s) next to the US image.
Additionally, I'm sure I could look it up, but can anyone share a King book chronology that includes everything in our Trade 1st editions?

What's the big rush RF? It's winter everywhere except where you live. :) Take your time. These pages will probably outlive most of us anyway, so make them good. It IS a TON of work, but it keeps you out of the pub! :)

[Randall Flagg]

I am thinking I may have to abandon the "chronological" cover project as not every King book was done simultaneously in the US and UK or close. It may be better to do it alphabetically, but with images so that one can see the "side by side" covers.
BTW, It's a ton of work to gather the proper images and re-size them. I also could do the chronological page based entirely on the US publication date, with the Uk cover(s) next to the US image.
Additionally, I'm sure I could look it up, but can anyone share a King book chronology that includes everything in our Trade 1st editions?

What's the big rush RF? It's winter everywhere except where you live. :) Take your time. These pages will probably outlive most of us anyway, so make them good. It IS a TON of work, but it keeps you out of the pub! :)
The pub has free wireless.....I may never leave.

[Merlin1958]

I am thinking I may have to abandon the "chronological" cover project as not every King book was done simultaneously in the US and UK or close. It may be better to do it alphabetically, but with images so that one can see the "side by side" covers.
BTW, It's a ton of work to gather the proper images and re-size them. I also could do the chronological page based entirely on the US publication date, with the Uk cover(s) next to the US image.
Additionally, I'm sure I could look it up, but can anyone share a King book chronology that includes everything in our Trade 1st editions?

What's the big rush RF? It's winter everywhere except where you live. :) Take your time. These pages will probably outlive most of us anyway, so make them good. It IS a TON of work, but it keeps you out of the pub! :)
The pub has free wireless.....I may never leave.


Now if only it had "Free Beer" there would be no "may"!!! LOL

We need a beer drinking smiley!! LOL LOL LOL

[Shannon]

I don't have a UK section in my spreadsheet yet, no promises that any of this is correct, but this is what I have for US first editions:

1 Carrie April 5, 1974
2 'Salem's Lot: First State October 17, 1975
2 'Salem's Lot: Second State October 17, 1975
2 'Salem's Lot: Third State October 17, 1975
3 The Shining January 1977
4 Rage September 1977
5 Night Shift February 17, 1978
6 The Stand (original) September 1978
7 The Long Walk July 1979
8 The Dead Zone August 1979
9 Firestarter September 29, 1980
10 Roadwork April 1981
11 Danse Macabre April 20, 1981
12 Cujo October 1981
13 The Running Man May 1982
14 The Gunslinger: The Dark Tower 1 (original) June 10, 1982
15 Creepshow July 1982
16 Different Seasons August 27, 1982
17 Christine April 29, 1983
18 Cycle Of The Werewolf November 1983
19 Pet Sematary: First State November 14, 1983
19 Pet Sematary: Second State November 14, 1983
20 The Talisman November 8, 1984
21 Thinner November 19, 1984
22 Skeleton Crew June 21, 1985
23 The Bachman Books October 4, 1985
24 Silver Bullet November 12, 1985
25 It September 15, 1986
26 The Eyes Of The Dragon February 2, 1987
27 The Drawing Of The Three: The Dark Tower 2 May 1987
28 Misery June 8, 1987
29 The Tommyknockers: First State November 10, 1987
29 The Tommyknockers: Second State November 10, 1987
30 Nightmares In The Sky November 1988
31 My Pretty Pony September 26, 1989
32 The Dark Half November 1989
33 The Stand (Complete & Uncut) May 1990
34 Four Past Midnight September 1990
35 The Waste Lands: The Dark Tower 3 August 1991
36 Needful Things October 1991
37 Gerald's Game May 1992
38 Dolores Claiborne November 1992
39 Nightmares & Dreamscapes September 29, 1993
40 Insomnia: White On Red Variant October 1994
40 Insomnia: Red On White Variant October 1994
41 Umney's Last Case January 1995
42 Rose Madder June 1995
43 The Green Mile 1: The Two Dead Girls March 28, 1996
44 The Green Mile 2: The Mouse On The Mile April 25, 1996
45 The Green Mile 3: Coffey's Hands May 30, 1996
46 The Green Mile 4: The Bad Death Of Eduard Delacroix June 27, 1996
47 The Green Mile 5: Night Journey July 25, 1996
48 The Green Mile 6: Coffey On The Mile August 29, 1996
49 Desperation September 24, 1996
50 The Regulators September 24, 1996
51 Wizard And Glass: The Dark Tower 4 November 4, 1997
52 Bag Of Bones September 22, 1998
53 Storm Of The Century February 1999
54 The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon April 6, 1999
55 Hearts In Atlantis September 14, 1999
56 On Writing October 3, 2000
57 Secret Windows: Essays And Fiction On The Craft Of Writing October 2000
58 Dreamcatcher March 20, 2001
59 Black House September 15, 2001
60 Everything's Eventual March 19, 2002
61 From A Buick 8 September 24, 2002
62 The Gunslinger: The Dark Tower 1 (Revised And Expanded Edition) June 23, 2003
63 Wolves Of The Calla: The Dark Tower 5 November 4, 2003
64 Song Of Susannah: The Dark Tower 6 June 8, 2004
65 The Dark Tower: The Dark Tower 7 September 21, 2004
66 Faithful: Two Diehard Boston Red Sox Fans Chronicle The Historic 2004 Season December 2, 2004
67 The Colorado Kid October 4, 2005
68 'Salem's Lot: The Illustrated Edition November 2005
69 Cell January 24, 2006
70 Lisey's Story October 24, 2006
71 Blaze June 12, 2007
72 Duma Key January 22, 2008
73 Just After Sunset November 11, 2008
74 Under The Dome: White Lettering Variant November 10, 2009
74 Under The Dome: Dark Gray Lettering Variant November 10, 2009
75 Blockade Billy April 20, 2010
76 Full Dark, No Stars November 9, 2010
77 11/22/1963 November 8, 2011

[jhanic]

Thanks, Shannon. Very, very informative!

John

[Shannon]

Just a compilation of collected info. I'm sure most of it I found somewhere on this great and informative site and in this great and informative community. ;)

[Randall Flagg]

The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon Pop-up? 2004.
Stephen King - Trade HC Omnibus (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Stephen+King+First+Editions:Ste phen+King+-+Trade+HC+Omnibus) 1981

[Shannon]

The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon Pop-up - Not by King
Stephen King - Trade HC Omnibus - A collection of already published (by him, not in magazines, etc.) works. In other words, a reprint

[Randall Flagg]

Somewhere, somehow, the article for The Green Mile PB's has gone missing. :(

[Randall Flagg]

Question: Does The Green Mile Paperback series warrant 6 entries in the First edition Catalog-One per book, or 1 entry covering all six editions?

[AKC]

Question: Does The Green Mile Paperback series warrant 6 entries in the First edition Catalog-One per book, or 1 entry covering all six editions?

I would think that 1 Entry covering all 6 Editions would suffice.........

[jhanic]

I agree.

John

[Shannon]

Six entries, definitely.

They are six different books with six different copyright informations, release dates, prices, etc.

[Merlin1958]

Six entries, definitely.

They are six different books with six different copyright informations, release dates, prices, etc.

All that information could be incorporated in a single entry, no? It was initially announced as a "serialized novel", like back in the day, if I remember correctly. One a month for six months or something like that.

[Shannon]

The entire catalog could be incorporated into one entry, lol. But why? Unless the website's internet space is getting close to full, why condense?

Each volume is completely different from the other. A different title, cover, copyright page/first edition identifier, release date, price, and different illustrations.

[Randall Flagg]

It's not terribly difficult to do 6 entries.
If someone could provide the artist(s) info, it would be helpful (I guess I could go research it, but this is the audience participation portion).

[Shannon]

Mark Geyer. Wow, Whitney Houston died.

[Randall Flagg]

Mark Geyer. Wow, Whitney Houston died.
Title: The Green Mile
Author: Stephen King
Artist: Mark Geyer. Wow Whitney Houston died.

[Shannon]

looooollll

[Randall Flagg]

I only have 2/3 of the images up, and hyperlinks have yet to be added. The hyperlinks will provide spacing.
Thoughts? Comments?

LINK:
http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Stephen+King+First+Editions:Cov er+Links&redirect=no

[Merlin1958]

FWIW coming from me, I think it's just plain AWESOME!!! All of you folks are great for doing all this work, but maybe especially our, "El Jefe" for punching a clock on the project!!!!


:clap::clap::clap:







If that don't get me some "Rep" IDK what will!!! LOL LOL

[jhanic]

I agree. Awesome!

John

[Patrick]

Fantastic effort, guys!

[Randall Flagg]

Here are two ways to look at the US and UK first editions. One has the images on one page, and the TOC on a long scrolling page. The other brackets the images with the TOC's on each side.
Members with small/low resolution screens may have some overlap "orphan" images.
http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Stephen+King+First+Editions:Cov er+Links&redirect=no
http://www.thedarktower.org/?page=imagelimit

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

How about adding the following UK 1st editions?
Shining/Salem's/Carrie
Cycle of the Werewolf
Colorado Kid
Umney's Last Case

http://www.akyle.f2s.com/images/omnibus.jpg

http://www.akyle.f2s.com/images/cycle.jpg

http://www.akyle.f2s.com/images/colorado_1.jpg

http://www.akyle.f2s.com/images/umney.jpg

[Randall Flagg]

Pretty deflating to do all the work I did, and only receive one comment.

Thanks to Mr. Rabbit Trick-and behind the scenes thanks to Shannon. I think there are images for the UK COTW PB and for Colorado Kid (1 image-I know three artists)

[Ben Staad]

Here are two ways to look at the US and UK first editions. One has the images on one page, and the TOC on a long scrolling page. The other brackets the images with the TOC's on each side.
Members with small/low resolution screens may have some overlap "orphan" images.
http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Stephen+King+First+Editions:Cov er+Links&redirect=no
http://www.thedarktower.org/?page=imagelimit

I kind of like the second link (TOC on each side) much better then the first. Either way they are very sharp looking. I know before I participated in the forum I was consistently scrolling through this database and IMO it is easily the best one on the net.

[Robert Fulman]

I also like the second setup, and I would recommend that all the images be made the same size so the grid looks nice (or just put them in an html table with all cells being the same size).

[Randall Flagg]

I also like the second setup, and I would recommend that all the images be made the same size so the grid looks nice (or just put them in an html table with all cells being the same size).
Remember, we are dealing with Vbulletin. If you know how to "just put them in an html table with all cells being the same size" within Vbulletin, I would love to hear from you with something that works on the site.
From the overwhelming amount of comments we have received so far I don't think it matters. It's evidently a private exercise.

[skyofcrack]

The second setup looks better, Jerome, with all the pics bracketed by the two columns as long as all the pics will eventually be clickable like the first setup. People like to click on pics. It's just easier than trying to focus in on a small line. Also, if they don't know what book they want to research but the pic helps them identify it.

Can you have info pop up when you scroll over each image? (like when you hover over your avatar):

For example [Carrie, US, 1974, Doubleday, 1st Trade HC]

Nice work. :clap:

[skyofcrack]

I also like the second setup, and I would recommend that all the images be made the same size so the grid looks nice (or just put them in an html table with all cells being the same size).

http://www.thedarktower.org/custom/images/1329088818-Nightmares%20in%20the%20sky.jpg http://www.thedarktower.org/custom/images/1329064968-Gunslinger%20UK.jpg

How would you go about making these two images the same size without distorting either one of them? Or, adding blank space somewhere?

[Merlin1958]

Definitely the second link!!!!


:clap::clap::clap:

[Patrick]

I love the picture set-up in the first link. However I can see how the lists on the sides would be preferred by others.

I'm fine either way.

Good work, Jerome.

[Tito_Villa]

Second link for me!

[biomieg]

How about adding the following UK 1st editions?
Shining/Salem's/Carrie
Cycle of the Werewolf
Colorado Kid
Umney's Last Case



If the UK omnibus is considered a 1st trade edition someone who owns the book can add it. Or should the US omnibus be removed? If these are included, should the other UK omnibus editions also be included?
Cycle of the Werewolf is there: http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Stephen+King+First+Editions:Cyc le+of+the+Werewolf+-+Trade+PB+UK
Colorado Kid is there as well (but the title of the entry doesn't specify that they're actually UK editions): http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Stephen+King+First+Editions:Col orado+Kid+The+-+Trade+HC
I forgot to add the UK Umney's Last Case. Will do so ASAP. Thanks!

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

I meant the thumbnail pictures on the index page. The US copies were are there but the UK ones are not.

[Randall Flagg]

My Justin Brooks bibliography shows only 3 of the omnibus (4 if you count the "Modern Classics Collection")-a US 4 title, a US 3 title and a UK 3 title.

[Randall Flagg]

Opinions please-
page with images 10 wide (one or two rows have 9 images) http://www.thedarktower.org/?page=imagelimit
OR
Page with images 8 wide (one or two rows have 7 images) http://www.thedarktower.org/?page=imagelimit2

[jhanic]

I think I like the second choice better.

John

[Merlin1958]

I think I like the second choice better.

John

Ditto!!!

P.S. Awesome job, Jerome!!! You really are the "Host" with the "Most" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Shannon]

Neither. The two surrounding columns are yuck. Like, really yuck. But it seems I am in the minority here.

I would make the pics clickable/linkable and get rid of the columns/texts. All of the titles are on the covers themselves, why have the side text at all?

[Ben Staad]

I like option one however on my screen I see rows of 8 and 7 with intermediate rows of two.

[Shannon]

P.S. If you're going to keep the side columns, I would make them even. Then make the center column (with the pics) go to six pics wide. That way, there are no orphan rows (Crow-Man word, lol)

[Randall Flagg]

P.S. If you're going to keep the side columns, I would make them even. Then make the center column (with the pics) go to six pics wide. That way, there are no orphan rows (Crow-Man word, lol)
It would be a "perfect world" to do that. I have to deal with Vbulletin software and have rudimentary skills here. KIng spends $thousands on his site, and people still complain.
I have no problem deleting the side TOC columns but the wiki and vbulletin stuff limits me.
Personally, I like the 10/9 image wide without any TOC. If someone wants to look up something non-graphically, that's what the TOC/Index is for.
I asked which of the two versions members prefer, not a "you really should do this" inquiry.

[Randall Flagg]

P.S. If you're going to keep the side columns, I would make them even. Then make the center column (with the pics) go to six pics wide. That way, there are no orphan rows (Crow-Man word, lol)
P.S. I could make the images 2 wide and unless someone was viewing it at <500x368 there would be no orphan rows.
:)

[skyofcrack]

Option 2 but all images clickable.

[Randall Flagg]

Option 2 but all images clickable.
This is just the layout. Each image will be click-able to the relative article. I even experimented with a "mouse hover" for each image. That would create a Pop-up image ~4x larger. It works great on the home page (www.thedarktower.org )where there are 8 books in a row, but with >150 images it was a bit annoying. It's just much easier to create and edit the page prior to adding the hyperlinks.

[skyofcrack]

Option 2 but all images clickable.
This is just the layout. Each image will be click-able to the relative article. I even experimented with a "mouse hover" for each image. That would create a Pop-up image ~4x larger. It works great on the home page (www.thedarktower.org )where there are 8 books in a row, but with >150 images it was a bit annoying. It's just much easier to create and edit the page prior to adding the hyperlinks.

Yeah, I know what you mean with all those images popping up. I still think the idea of info in a box when you hover like title-month-year-publisher would be useful before you click on each cover. Not changing the size of the image. Just like the info for the avatars.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

Second one (8 wide) on my computer.

[Tito_Villa]

Second one (8 wide) on my computer.

Ditto!

[Randall Flagg]

Please check out the "beta" version. The hyperlinks should all be in.
I was thinking of changing the order on the sides. Currently 'Salem's Lot and 11/22/63 lead off, but I believe 'Salem's Lot should go in the "S" order, and 11/22/63 should be in the "E" order.
I also put a space between the alpha title listings on each side.
http://www.thedarktower.org/?page=imagelimit2

[Ben Staad]

I think it looks great! Well done, RF.

[Randall Flagg]

Try hovering over the first image (Carrie)

[Merlin1958]

Option 2 but all images clickable.
This is just the layout. Each image will be click-able to the relative article. I even experimented with a "mouse hover" for each image. That would create a Pop-up image ~4x larger. It works great on the home page (www.thedarktower.org )where there are 8 books in a row, but with >150 images it was a bit annoying. It's just much easier to create and edit the page prior to adding the hyperlinks.

Yeah, I know what you mean with all those images popping up. I still think the idea of info in a box when you hover like title-month-year-publisher would be useful before you click on each cover. Not changing the size of the image. Just like the info for the avatars.

I'm no "PC-Wiz" but that seems to be a lot to ask someone to do. Just saying is all.

[Randall Flagg]

Option 2 but all images clickable.
This is just the layout. Each image will be click-able to the relative article. I even experimented with a "mouse hover" for each image. That would create a Pop-up image ~4x larger. It works great on the home page (www.thedarktower.org )where there are 8 books in a row, but with >150 images it was a bit annoying. It's just much easier to create and edit the page prior to adding the hyperlinks.

Yeah, I know what you mean with all those images popping up. I still think the idea of info in a box when you hover like title-month-year-publisher would be useful before you click on each cover. Not changing the size of the image. Just like the info for the avatars.

I'm no "PC-Wiz" but that seems to be a lot to ask someone to do. Just saying is all.
Try hovering over the first image (Carrie)

[Ben Staad]

Try hovering over the first image (Carrie)

That is freaking great. Someone should give you a raise!

[Merlin1958]

Option 2 but all images clickable.
This is just the layout. Each image will be click-able to the relative article. I even experimented with a "mouse hover" for each image. That would create a Pop-up image ~4x larger. It works great on the home page (www.thedarktower.org )where there are 8 books in a row, but with >150 images it was a bit annoying. It's just much easier to create and edit the page prior to adding the hyperlinks.

Yeah, I know what you mean with all those images popping up. I still think the idea of info in a box when you hover like title-month-year-publisher would be useful before you click on each cover. Not changing the size of the image. Just like the info for the avatars.

I'm no "PC-Wiz" but that seems to be a lot to ask someone to do. Just saying is all.
Try hovering over the first image (Carrie)

I did and its awesome, but I bet its a helluva lotta work to make it happen, no? Especially when you can just click the pic and go to the article, right?

[Shannon]

I like the idea, but I think it's unnecessary.

[Merlin1958]

I like the idea, but I think it's unnecessary.

I agree!! Man, I remember when I was a "Jewel in the rough" such a long time ago!!!! Now I am a "NKTA" and so far above that stuff!!! LOL LOL LOL

[Randall Flagg]

It's a ton of work. Every image needs a jpeg with the proper text and proper sizing, then the code.
People say "do this", and it's always easier to suggest what you want than to actually make it happen.
Remember, this is volunteer work (mostly on my part, and a few other generous members).
If I had 10 volunteers to each create 15 image boxes in the correct font, size and information etc, it would be easier....

[Randall Flagg]

For The Green Mile we list the PB editions, and The US trade entry is the Scribner hardcover, but that is not the first trade edition of the complete Green Mile. The first is a Plume paperback and its UK counterpart is an Orion paperback. My question was and still is: should we then remove the Scribner hardcover and include the US and UK paperbacks, or do we add the UK Orion hardcover (in which case we are not showing the actual trade 1st editions)?

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

The 6 x paperbacks are the true first editions. We don't need any others, but if you want to include the "complete" editions, then the Plume and Orion paperbacks should be the first editions.

[Shannon]

I think we should include everything. Every different edition. Or is that just me? :)

[Randall Flagg]

I think we should include everything. Every different edition. Or is that just me? :)
It's just you. :grouphug:
We are not trying to do the job Justin Brooks has done and is doing-I just think that we can visually surpass his efforts (pretty easy since his info is 99+% text based). I never envisioned the Catalog as being a bibliography, I thought of it more as an on line encyclopedia with current relevant information and images, combined with-where possible original information, correspondence, announcement letters, manufacturing info-you name it. Once it is in the Catalog I don't want the article to remain stagnant-I want the article and discussion to grow.

[Randall Flagg]

Btw, what I am tempted to do is leave the GM hardback listing in the Catalog, but remove it from the visual index and from the left side (of the covers) index. It would still be there if a person went through the pages one by one-or searched. I would also edit the listing to indicate that it was the 1st US hardback edition, but not the 1st complete edition.-Sound good?

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

I think we should include everything. Every different edition. Or is that just me? :)

Yes, its just you. Behave yourself.






:)

[jhanic]

Btw, what I am tempted to do is leave the GM hardback listing in the Catalog, but remove it from the visual index and from the left side (of the covers) index. It would still be there if a person went through the pages one by one-or searched. I would also edit the listing to indicate that it was the 1st US hardback edition, but not the 1st complete edition.-Sound good?

I think if you're going to leave it in the catalog, it should be in the index. That said, I'm not sure it should be in the catalog anyway.

John

[Shannon]

In regards to the Green Mile hardcover. It's simply a reprint/different edition. It's not the first appearance of the complete novel. To me, it holds the same weight as the first Full Dark, No Stars US paperback. Just a reprint. The Green Mile paperback with the green slipcase is the first appearance of the novel. Just like the Storm Of The Century paperback is the first appearance of the screenplay, and not the hardcover.

[Brice]

I beg to differ....unless I'm misunderstanding you. I believe the BOMC SotC HC predates the paperback and the six separately bound paperbacks predate the slipcased single volume edition.

[Shannon]

I am of the understanding that the SotC paperback (Pocket Books: Feb 1999) is the first edition and the hardcover (BOMC: 1999, "This edition was especially created ... by arrangement with the author. This edition copyright ...") came second.

And yes, the six paperbacks came first, of course. Then the Complete Serial Novel paperback with slipcase. Then all the other versions.

[Randall Flagg]

Btw, what I am tempted to do is leave the GM hardback listing in the Catalog, but remove it from the visual index and from the left side (of the covers) index. It would still be there if a person went through the pages one by one-or searched. I would also edit the listing to indicate that it was the 1st US hardback edition, but not the 1st complete edition.-Sound good?

I think if you're going to leave it in the catalog, it should be in the index. That said, I'm not sure it should be in the catalog anyway.

John
Good point. Perhaps I will create a Misc. Category where most anything can be listed. My fear is that it would have hundreds, if not thousands of entries, and other than a 768 page index, be tough to navigate or refer to.

[RIC #520]

Btw, what I am tempted to do is leave the GM hardback listing in the Catalog, but remove it from the visual index and from the left side (of the covers) index. It would still be there if a person went through the pages one by one-or searched. I would also edit the listing to indicate that it was the 1st US hardback edition, but not the 1st complete edition.-Sound good?

I think if you're going to leave it in the catalog, it should be in the index. That said, I'm not sure it should be in the catalog anyway.

John
Good point. Perhaps I will create a Misc. Category where most anything can be listed. My fear is that it would have hundreds, if not thousands of entries, and other than a 768 page index, be tough to navigate or refer to.

You could limit the category to Justin Brooks entries.. He has some entries that I would like to see pictures of them..

[Merlin1958]

I am of the understanding that the SotC paperback (Pocket Books: Feb 1999) is the first edition and the hardcover (BOMC: 1999, "This edition was especially created ... by arrangement with the author. This edition copyright ...") came second.

And yes, the six paperbacks came first, of course. Then the Complete Serial Novel paperback with slipcase. Then all the other versions.

I have both of these and the (what I consider) 1/1 HC edition (w/remarque) in my collection. It may seem wierd, but for some reason I see the HC as the representative of the book in my collection. If you see what I mean. I guess its because my entire collection is US/UK 1/1 HC and GM mile is a freak of sorts.

[Shannon]

I see what you mean, but that doesn't make it "right", lol. I have the paperback in with my first editions and the hardcover in with my extra editions. Just like I have the Green Mile: Complete Serial Novel paperback with slipcase in with my first editions and the hardcover version in with my extra books. There are many differing formats and sizes for the first appearances of his books. Check out the list of non-"normal" first appearances:

Nightmares In The Sky
My Pretty Pony
his Bachman paperbacks (which most people keep separate, I know)
Creepshow
Cycle Of The Werewolf
Silver Bullet
Umney's Last Case
The Green Mile paperbacks
The Green Mile: Complete Serial Novel paperback with slipcase
Storm Of The Century

The Colorado Kid

[Brice]

Too confusing! I guess that just means we need them all. :D

[jhanic]

A reminder that the Green Mile paperback in the slipcase is actually a book club production. If you look closely at the book, there's no price on it.

John

[Brice]

That is true because I remember being surprised to find my copy at Waldenbooks for sale. It was wrapped in cellophane with a barcode sticker affixed to the cellophane. I don't know quite how that happened.

[Randall Flagg]

Still looking for all 6 images of the UK The Green Mile PB's-1sts.

[Randall Flagg]

Can one (or more) of our Super-Collectors help with images of the Maine Newspaper editions that faetured installments of King's story "Slade"?

The Summer Campus (The Maine Campus)
June 11, 1970
University Of Maine, Orono
Newspaper

[Shannon]

Since I started back up with the Short Works Reboot, Mr. ELazansky has been an amazing help with seeking out and resizing the images needed. The Summer/Maine Campus ones will be hard to find, but in the future for anyone wanting to help out, please wait a day or two after I post my initial "info" page. I'd hate for someone to scan/find/download/upload/etc. an image that we might already have. I'd rather not waste anyone's time. And once I have enough entries (50 or 100) in the new format, I'll be creating a Table Of Contents and be acknowledging everyone that has assisted in this great project. Thank you!

[carlosdetweiller]

Can one (or more) of our Super-Collectors help with images of the Maine Newspaper editions that faetured installments of King's story "Slade"?

The Summer Campus (The Maine Campus)
June 11, 1970
University Of Maine, Orono
Newspaper



I can't help. Those issues are high on my want list. I don't know of anyone who has them.

[herbertwest]

The text from SLADE is available online since about 2003/2004, but i have never seen any pictures of it..

[biomieg]

Still looking for all 6 images of the UK The Green Mile PB's-1sts.

BUMP. I have only four of them (pathetic, I know) so I would really appreciate it if someone who owns the full set could take a pic (or six) and send them to me or Jerome so they can be included in the Catalog.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

Would you prefer 6 individual pics or just one showing the six?

[biomieg]

The entry for the US paperbacks has six pics but if you can take one that clearly shows all six covers, I would use it.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

My shitty little camera cannot cope with the contrast of the first 3 shiny covers and the matt of the last three together.

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/563/gm_1.jpg

[biomieg]

Looks great, thank you Alan!

[biomieg]

I updated the proofs section - there's now a Table of Contents post, I added the PLANT and SIX STORIES proofs, and I added some of the manuscripts that Hannes acquired recently. Additional information and better quality pics are always welcome - just send me a PM or post it in the discussion threads in the Catalog. Thank you!

[Shannon]

Good job my Catalog-Brother! :)

I added the Battle Of Jericho Hill comics in the Comic Catalog today, but I'm now updating turtlex's old entries one by one before I go any further. The layout is great, and the info collected is great, but there's too much of it sometimes. And the layouts aren't uniformed between the entries. Ugh, and the spaces! The spaces drive me crazy! Sometimes there are spaces on both sides of a colon, sometimes there are spaces on both sides of a slash mark. Sometimes there AREN'T, lol. It's taking a while, lol.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

OCD at it's finest. :)

[Randall Flagg]

OCD at it's finest. :)
"Obsessive Catalog Disorder"? :)

[Shannon]

Definitely. I may be crazy by the end, but at least it will look nice, lol. Nice to me anyway, lol.

It's like a diamond that you keep cutting and keep cutting until you get the shine you want.

[biomieg]

I could go on and on as well so I decided right from the start that I will not care about pic size, layout, fonts and so on in the Proofs Catalog.

I forgot to mention that I also uploaded a bunch of proof letters/publisher's letters. Some of the scans are (too) small but I had to work with what I have. Larger scans are always welcome!

[Shannon]

UUGHHH pic size! Don't get me started on picture size! Take the image, resize the image, upload the image, insert the new image address. ZUUZZgghghgkhihkbjc!!!

[Randall Flagg]

Lots of new images are going up for the "Short Works" section. Members-hats off to jhanic and others are posting pics of the artwork included in the original (usually a) magazine appearance.
Once again, the Catalog is improved, and continues to be the #1 internet source for images and information on Stephen King.
Thanks to all.

[jhanic]

I've posted all the magazine illustrations that I had scanned. I have all the magazines, but they are boxed away and not easily accessible.

John

[Merlin1958]

Lots of new images are going up for the "Short Works" section. Members-hats off to jhanic and others are posting pics of the artwork included in the original (usually a) magazine appearance.
Once again, the Catalog is improved, and continues to be the #1 internet source for images and information on Stephen King.
Thanks to all.


I've posted all the magazine illustrations that I had scanned. I have all the magazines, but they are boxed away and not easily accessible.

John

Congrats and appreciation to you two and all the other contributors for the No. 1 King resource on the internet!!!


:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[Shannon]

I loved seeing the new posts in the Short Works section, thanks!

FYI, I'm working on the comic section now, trying to get it up to date, and then after that I will be returning to my Short Works section. Ahhhh, time.

[mae]

I would really love to have quality scans here for every original appearance of a King short story. Just the first page, with the title and the usual surrounding illustrations, for historical purposes. So far I've just been uploading stuff I was finding on eBay. But our collectors can surely provide much better pictures and more compete.

[needfulthings]

http://imageshack.us/a/img138/4904/img073gc.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img521/8889/img072h.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img600/1154/img074kd.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img543/9021/img075v.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img703/1392/img076m.jpg

[Bad Penny]

I think most of us knew we could count on you Bruce :coo3l:

[Randall Flagg]

It would be best to post the images directly in the comment section for each short story (please).

[Shannon]

Yes, please. I will add them to the page itself when I get back into "Short Works" mode. A lot of the pages you guys are adding stuff to are from the old format, but I'll switch them over when I make the new pages. Thanks!

[mae]

Shannon, if you want assistance with the Short Works wiki, I'd be happy to help.

[biomieg]

I still don't own a scanner but I'd be happy to provide pics of King's contributions in my Ubris, Contraband, and Moth issues.

[mae]

That would be tremendous. Just the first page with the title etc. and any applicable illustrations.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

Yeah. Who cares about copyright laws!

[mae]

I'm pretty sure that's within fair use. This is for historical and educational/encyclopedic purposes.

[biomieg]

I still don't own a scanner but I'd be happy to provide pics of King's contributions in my Ubris, Contraband, and Moth issues.

That would be tremendous. Just the first page with the title etc. and any applicable illustrations.

I checked but there's actually not much to take pictures of. Only Ubris has a Table of Contents, and none of the King pieces have any artwork with them.

[mae]

A Table of Contents would still be useful.

[Randall Flagg]

All three entries for CD's Doctor Sleep are posted, alphabetical list updated, and complete chronological list updated.

[Ari_Racing]

Excellent! I'm creating the thread at the illustration's branch now.

[Randall Flagg]

Added The Century's Best Horror Fiction Artist edition to the Catalog, updated the Alphabetical and Chronological lists.

[Randall Flagg]

Time to seek advice.
I put up entries for the Joyland lettered and S/L. I figure to also put up the 1,500 copy unsigned version in the Collectibles Catalog section of our wiki. (The trade is already listed in the Trade section).
CD just announced The Dark Man. Obviously the lettered and signed versions go in the Collectibles Catalog. I would also think (but want opinions) that the trade hardcover in slipcase goes in the CC. Therefore the "World's First Edition, First Printing Trade Hardcover" would go in our First Editions section.
Agree, disagree, don't care?

[The Library Policeman]

I agree FWIW

[biomieg]

Agree.

[jhanic]

Agree.

John

[Shannon]

Agree.

[ChristineB]

I have to disagree with the trade of The Dark Man being a 1st printing since it has already been printed in 3 (?) other places prior to this printing. JMO

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

I have to disagree with the trade of The Dark Man being a 1st printing since it has already been printed in 3 (?) other places prior to this printing. JMO

And one of the 3 previous was a hardback by Cemetery Dance.

[Randall Flagg]

Interesting. The Gunslinger was printed prior to coming out in hardback.
I'd like to hear some more opinions.

[jhanic]

I don't think it really matters that The Dark Man was previously printed in magazines and anthologies. This is its first BOOK printing.

John

[biomieg]

Yes. The fact that it is now a book in its own right sets it apart from earlier appearances.

[divemaster]

I don't think it really matters that The Dark Man was previously printed in magazines and anthologies. This is its first BOOK printing.

John

Agree 100%

[The Library Policeman]

I agree with John.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

The catalog has gone right downhill recently. Any old shit can get in it now. It used to be the "creme de la creme", but its just a list of King related items now.

[tippy4]

The catalog has gone right downhill recently. Any old shit can get in it now. It used to be the "creme de la creme", but its just a list of King related items now.



I would not refer to this book as "King related".

It is a Poem by King.

[Shannon]

The Catalog isn't "any old shit" ... It's the "important" editions.

US First Edition
UK First Edition
Signed Numbered Edition
Signed Lettered Edition
Gift/Artist/Limited Edition

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

I was refering to all the new sections of the catalog, especially the "Short Works". The Signed/Limited part of the catalog is still the best there is on the net.

The Short Works section has every "dog eared" magazine and paperback listed. It brings down the quality of the rest of the catalog. Example:

http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Short+Works:Children+Of+The+Cor n

[Shannon]

I'm sitting here reading your post, trying to decide if you're being funny or not and I've determined you're not.

You're unbelievable. You've been rude to people before, but I've never experienced it personally. Do you have any idea the amount of time and motivation it takes to do the things we do?

[Ben Staad]

I was refering to all the new sections of the catalog, especially the "Short Works". The Signed/Limited part of the catalog is still the best there is on the net.

The Short Works section has every "dog eared" magazine and paperback listed. It brings down the quality of the rest of the catalog. Example:

http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Short+Works:Children+Of+The+Cor n

Is there incorrect information provided? If so please point it out. I am "leaning" on this site to provide the most thorough and accurate information for SK collectors on the net.

If not why is this section objectionable to you? I'm curious.

[herbertwest]

I personally use Justin's book as a reference. The reason is pretty simple. It's updated & revised regularly, especially since that now it will be a yearly ebook. I am certain that the entries here will not be updated and that there will be some mistakes that will therefore stays there.

[ChristineB]

I personally like the Short Works section... A list of his short works and their first appearances is very relivent to the catalog IMO.

Thank you Shannon for putting so much work into it.

[divemaster]

I personally use Justin's book as a reference. The reason is pretty simple. It's updated & revised regularly, especially since that now it will be a yearly ebook. I am certain that the entries here will not be updated and that there will be some mistakes that will therefore stays there.

This doesn't make any sense. Why wouldn't the catalog be updated? If you (or anyone else for that matter) sees a mistake, you'd PM Shannon or Jerome, right?

[herbertwest]

I personally use Justin's book as a reference. The reason is pretty simple. It's updated & revised regularly, especially since that now it will be a yearly ebook. I am certain that the entries here will not be updated and that there will be some mistakes that will therefore stays there.

This doesn't make any sense. Why wouldn't the catalog be updated? If you (or anyone else for that matter) sees a mistake, you'd PM Shannon or Jerome, right?

For a start : good luck with hunting the differences with the previous edition ;)

[ELazansky]

I personally use Justin's book as a reference. The reason is pretty simple. It's updated & revised regularly, especially since that now it will be a yearly ebook. I am certain that the entries here will not be updated and that there will be some mistakes that will therefore stays there.

This doesn't make any sense. Why wouldn't the catalog be updated? If you (or anyone else for that matter) sees a mistake, you'd PM Shannon or Jerome, right?

For a start : good luck with hunting the differences with the previous edition ;)

For you, that may be important. For most of us, just having the info on the books is what the Catalog is for. Jerome already put up entries for Joyland and The Dark Man. Those updates won't be in Justin's book for at least a year,,,

[Randall Flagg]

I think there may be some very dead pan humor there on the part of MR. RT, or not...
nothing to lose motivation over.

[Shannon]

I love doing the Short Works section, no motivation lost here.

I think Justin Brooks' Biblio(s) is/are an amazing resource. But they're not on a website, and they're not updated daily. I'm just getting the Short Works section up and running, but as far as being 100% updated and without mistakes, that is what I'm aiming for. A new anthology with "Rest Stop" comes out Tuesday? Add it to the Short Works section. What, I have the wrong date on a magazine? Correct it on the spot. Easy enough.

And also, there aren't any visual references in the Biblio(s)

[Robert Fulman]

Would it be possible to add details on the volumes of multi volume books, such as what pages are included in each volume and what front matter is repeated between the two volumes? If it helps, right now I am specifically curious about Wizard and Glass. Thanks.

[Randall Flagg]

Would it be possible to add details on the volumes of multi volume books, such as what pages are included in each volume and what front matter is repeated between the two volumes? If it helps, right now I am specifically curious about Wizard and Glass. Thanks.
I would need volunteers to provide the correct information, and then I would add it to the Catalog entry.

[Robert Fulman]

In case anyone is curious, I am going to dismantle a Grant 1st of W&G and then re-bind it in two volumes. Just for fun. Don't worry, I'll post pictures.

[Randall Flagg]

In case anyone is curious, I am going to dismantle a Grant 1st of W&G and then re-bind it in two volumes. Just for fun. Don't worry, I'll post pictures.
When done, make a decoupage bookcase.

[Randall Flagg]

Posted the UK S/L of Doctor Sleep.
Anyone know the artist's name?

[herbertwest]

I dont remember reading that there will be illustrations except the cover one?

[Randall Flagg]

Even the name of cover artist would be appreciated.

[Randall Flagg]

Would someone who received a lettered edition of The Big Book of Necon help me out with images for our Catalog?

Thanks

[TwistedNadine]

I think Bad Penny has one of those

[Randall Flagg]

I think Bad Penny has one of those
He does not. I put the article up with two images from a friend.
If anyone has more, please contact me.
Thanks.

[Merlin1958]

Would someone who received a lettered edition of The Big Book of Necon help me out with images for our Catalog?

Thanks



Perhaps, Cit74? Or Needfulthings?

[Randall Flagg]

Would someone who received a lettered edition of The Big Book of Necon help me out with images for our Catalog?

Thanks



Perhaps, Cit74? Or Needfulthings?
Someone will hopefully read this and help.
No real need to speculate the member.

[Merlin1958]

Would someone who received a lettered edition of The Big Book of Necon help me out with images for our Catalog?

Thanks



Perhaps, Cit74? Or Needfulthings?
Someone will hopefully read this and help.
No real need to speculate the member.


Well,



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szRQurfpJPw


J/K My Director!!! LOL



TMIDITW!!!!! Randall Flagg!!!

[Randall Flagg]

Don't take offense my 6'8" friend.
Relax and "get small":


I'm on drugs. I'm, uh, I mean, you know what it is. What's the deal, man? I like to get small. It's a wild, wild drug. Very dangerous for kids though, because they get really small. I know I shouldn't get small when I'm drivin', but, uh, I was drivin' around the other day, you know [whistles tunefully] and a cop pulls me over. And he goes, 'Hey, are you small?' I said, 'No, I'm tall, I'm tall.' He said, 'Well, I'm gonna have to measure you.' They've got a little test they give you; it's a balloon, and if you can get inside of it, they know... you're small. And they can't put you in a regular cell either, because you walk right out.

[Merlin1958]

Don't take offense my 6'8" friend.
Relax and "get small":


I'm on drugs. I'm, uh, I mean, you know what it is. What's the deal, man? I like to get small. It's a wild, wild drug. Very dangerous for kids though, because they get really small. I know I shouldn't get small when I'm drivin', but, uh, I was drivin' around the other day, you know [whistles tunefully] and a cop pulls me over. And he goes, 'Hey, are you small?' I said, 'No, I'm tall, I'm tall.' He said, 'Well, I'm gonna have to measure you.' They've got a little test they give you; it's a balloon, and if you can get inside of it, they know... you're small. And they can't put you in a regular cell either, because you walk right out.

No offense taken. I was just fucking with ya!! I'm 6'9" BTW!! LOL LOL

[Randall Flagg]

Any other members have a 1st edition Insomnia with red boards?
http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Stephen+King+First+Editions:Ins omnia+-+Trade+HC&page=1&do=comments#post797151

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Any other members have a 1st edition Insomnia with red boards?
http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Stephen+King+First+Editions:Ins omnia+-+Trade+HC&page=1&do=comments#post797151

I have 1 with white boards, and 1 with red.

Mulleins

[Randall Flagg]

It seems that both colors were used with both DJ's-correct?

[Room 217 Caretaker]

It seems that both colors were used with both DJ's-correct?

Correct

[carlosdetweiller]

This is interesting. I don't think I have ever heard of the red boards before. I have only seen grey boards.

[Bad Penny]

This is interesting. I don't think I have ever heard of the red boards before. I have only seen grey boards.

The three copies that I have are all grey boarded (but I guess I can live with that ... for now ...) :smile:

[Randall Flagg]

This is interesting. I don't think I have ever heard of the red boards before. I have only seen grey boards.
That is why I inquired. I never heard of them either. Perhaps it was one of those things where if there are a ~million first print run no one cared to really examine the guts (boards).

[Room 217 Caretaker]

I've never looked until today...haha. In other words, I didn't know I had both.

I did find a red board copy on Ebay today so they aren't scarce IMO.

Mulleins

[TwistedNadine]

I have one with red boards but appears to be a book club edition - book seems identical to the first but no price on DJ. Need pics?

[Br!an]

I have one with red boards but appears to be a book club edition - book seems identical to the first but no price on DJ. Need pics?

Please. I'd like to see the copyright page. Is there a numberline?