Questions and Comments on our Catalogs

[Randall Flagg]

The S/L Full Dark, No Stars entry is up:
http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Full+Dark+No+Stars+-+S+L&redirect=no

[ELazansky]

Very nice - I guess Legacies is coming next?

[shnnrc01]

nice,i just received mine yesterday!

[Randall Flagg]

Very nice - I guess Legacies is coming next?
As an entry in the Catalog?
Yes. It will be put in soon.

[Randall Flagg]

Are these images too large?


Test




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[jhanic]

I don't see any problem. They seem a bit larger than "normal" but not outrageous.

John

[Patrick]

The pictures of the book are too large to be viewed on my screen without scrolling. :(

It's fine for the sig pages because that one is made up of rows of photos anyway.

[ELazansky]

I think they look great!

[Randall Flagg]

Are these images too large?


Test



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[Randall Flagg]

Upthread 1 post. Left justify.

[herbertwest]

Could someone please share the illustrations of FD, NS / Riding the bullet? for the illustrations catalog.

Brian Freeman previously told me CD was ok with sharing them.

[Ari_Racing]

Jerome, images look great.

[Randall Flagg]

Catalog entry for Blockade Billy S/L is up.
Link (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Blockade+Billy+-+S+L&redirect=no)

[ELazansky]

I was wondering why this particular book is not listed in the Catalog? I see a different omnibus edition listed but not this one:

http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa411/ELazansky/Books/Omnibus.jpg

[Randall Flagg]

Because the existing Omnibus entry has those three titles and and Night Shift in it and far precedes (1981) the Viking omnibus.
I would be interested in other collector's opinions.

[biomieg]

It is my understanding that the omnibus on the pic above is a later printing of the one in the Catalog (I think Brooks' Bibliography confirms this but I can't check it right now). The leatherbound edition from the King/Asimov/Ludlum box is also a later printing I think. The Catalog should contain trade 1sts and limiteds (UK trades too, because many people collect them) and proofs/ARCs, too.

[Randall Flagg]

There are some "gray areas" in interpretation regarding what is in the catalog. All rules are firmly etched in jello. It could change, but the original thought was the catalog would be Trade 1sts and signed/limited/gift editions. To try and have EVERY permutation of King books (US only) would be a monumental task, in labor and documentation and constant updating.
If someone wants to volunteer and complete the project, I'd love to hear from them.

[biomieg]

Wouldn't it be a beautiful thing to have a catalog that contains all of Brooks' entries (plus proofs)? ;)

[Randall Flagg]

Wouldn't it be a beautiful thing to have a catalog that contains all of Brooks' entries (plus proofs)? ;)
Yes.

[ELazansky]

It is my understanding that the omnibus on the pic above is a later printing of the one in the Catalog (I think Brooks' Bibliography confirms this but I can't check it right now). The leatherbound edition from the King/Asimov/Ludlum box is also a later printing I think. The Catalog should contain trade 1sts and limiteds (UK trades too, because many people collect them) and proofs/ARCs, too.

Yep, you're correct. Listing A14 in Brooks is the omnibus listed in the Catalog. The copy I pictured above is "version" 4 of that omnibus.

Its all good. I don't think it should be included since it was not the first omnibus. I was just wondering why it wasn't there, but now I know!

[Randall Flagg]

Would someone please share images for the lettered edition of The Girl Next Door? I need them to create a Catalog entry.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

I'm in the market to buy this, if anybody is selling.

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/563/medium/GND_L.jpg

[herbertwest]

That one is pretty cool !
Lettered?

[Randall Flagg]

I just noticed i have no entry at all for "999". Neither the S/L or the Lettered.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

That's because it is not signed by King.

[Randall Flagg]

I just noticed i have no entry at all for "999". Neither the S/L or the Lettered.

Sorry, typo. I am missing the Lettered entries for "Legends", and for "Best of Cemetery Dance".

[Merlin1958]

I just noticed i have no entry at all for "999". Neither the S/L or the Lettered.

I'm pretty sure "1955spartan" has a copy of "999". If that helps at all.

[Randall Flagg]

Evidently King wrote a short story "Under The Weather" that will be added to the paperback edition of Full Dark, No Stars. The story is ~6,000 words, so it is not novella length. Should the book be added to the Catalog?

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

Its tagged onto the paperback version of FDNS just as Morality was tagged onto the S&S version of Blockade Billy. If BB / Morality is in the catalog, then this should be too.

[Randall Flagg]

BB/Morality is not in the Catalog. This book will probably not go in either.

[jhanic]

I agree.

John

[Randall Flagg]

I am experimenting with a new layout for the Catalog that will feature the book cover to the left of the description. Please check it out and give feedback. Thanks.
http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Bachman+Books+The+-+Trade+HC&redirect=no

[Room 217 Caretaker]

I like :thumbsup:

[ELazansky]

I like it as well.

[biomieg]

Me too.

[jhanic]

Looks good to me!

John

[olverts]

Looks great to me !

[Randall Flagg]

Well, it looks like I created work for myself.:wtf:

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

Well, it looks like I created work for myself.:wtf:

No it is terrible.

(Now that I've saved you tons of work, can you come over and do my gardening?)






Kidding. It's fine.

[Ari_Racing]

It looks good. What I'd do, maybe, is to display a large thumbnail of the image with hyperlink to larger image.

Just a thought. :)

[Merlin1958]

I like it too!!!!

[Randall Flagg]

It looks good. What I'd do, maybe, is to display a large thumbnail of the image with hyperlink to larger image.

Just a thought. :)
Soon you may have the chance.:ninja:

[Brice]

It looks fantastic Jerome! :thumbsup:

[Randall Flagg]

A few questions I hope people can answer:


In our Catalog entry for Eyes of the Dragon I stated "26 red lettered, 26 black lettered, less than 10 Artist's copies, 250 red-numbered and 1,000 black-numbered copies produced." Were there any lettered copies?
Issue price for Cujo Lettered?
Issue price for Frankenstein S/L and Lettered?
Issue price for Christine Lettered
Issue price for The Killer Inside me Lettered?
Issue price for The Secretary of Dreams One Lettered?
Issue price for Whispers S/L and Lettered?

Thanks for any and all help.

[Room 217 Caretaker]

A few questions I hope people can answer:


In our Catalog entry for Eyes of the Dragon I stated "26 red lettered, 26 black lettered, less than 10 Artist's copies, 250 red-numbered and 1,000 black-numbered copies produced." Were there any lettered copies?
Issue price for Cujo Lettered?
Issue price for Frankenstein S/L and Lettered?
Issue price for Christine Lettered
Issue price for The Killer Inside me Lettered?
Issue price for The Secretary of Dreams One Lettered?
Issue price for Whispers S/L and Lettered?

Thanks for any and all help.

SOD I Lettered was $1500
SOD II is the same when you post the future release

Mulleins

[biomieg]

I remember reading about the EYES OF THE DRAGON lettered editions here on the site. I think Bob has one of each (red/black lettered) and he mentioned that these (and maybe a copy that Chris Cavalier used to own) were the only ones he ever saw.

*edit* I dug up the post I was referring to:


Chris Cavalier and I asked ourselves the same question over the years. Do they exist or not? Barry Levin swore that he had seen one but we didn't know whether to believe him or not because no one else knew anything about them.

Chris finally turned up a red lettered copy and fairly soon after that I found a black lettered copy. When Chris sold his collection I bought the red lettered copy from him. So far these are the only two copies I have ever heard of in collectors hands.

So, there seems to be 26 copies lettered in red ink and 26 copies lettered in black ink. I have no idea as to the initial distribution but they must have gone to close personal friends and/or relatives because they just do not come on the market. It's the same with the lettered copies of THE PLANT. Where the heck are they? Only four or five have ever come up for sale that I know of.

[Patrick]

I am experimenting with a new layout for the Catalog that will feature the book cover to the left of the description. Please check it out and give feedback. Thanks.
http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Bachman+Books+The+-+Trade+HC&redirect=no
Looks great, Jerome. However if you want to save yourself the work, I think the existing layout looks just fine as well.

[Fsmdr]

Do we have the issue price for the lettered Blockade Billy?.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

$1250

[Fsmdr]

Thanks, Mr. RT

[Randall Flagg]

The Catalog entry for "The Very Best of Best New Horror" is up.
Check it out: http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Very+Best+Of+Best+New+Horror+Th e+-+S+L&redirect=no

[Patrick]

Nice job, Jerome.

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Nice pictures Jerome.

[Randall Flagg]

Thanks to Shibus for sharing several images for the New Lieutenant's Rap Catalog entry.
http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=New+Lieutenants+Rap+The+-+S+L&redirect=no

[Patrick]

:thumbsup:

[Tito_Villa]

Wow never really knew what NLR contained, thanks

[Ari_Racing]

Nice!

That's one of those items I think I'll probably never have.

[Shannon]

I want it I want it I want it! I can do without the written-on quizzes though. :)

[Fsmdr]

Do we have an Entry for the Lord John Signatures S/L?. Or am I not looking thoroughly enough?.

[Randall Flagg]

Do we have an Entry for the Lord John Signatures S/L?. Or am I not looking thoroughly enough?.
It is listed under the title name "Signatures"
Link: http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Signatures+-+S+L

[Fsmdr]

Do we have an Entry for the Lord John Signatures S/L?. Or am I not looking thoroughly enough?.
It is listed under the title name "Signatures"
Link: http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Signatures+-+S+L

I knew I missed it. Thanks, Jerome

[Randall Flagg]

The listing for The Secretary of Dreams Volume I-Lettered is up now.
http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Secretary+Of+Dreams+The+Volume+ One+-+Lettered&redirect=no

[Randall Flagg]

Thanks to mulleins, the listing for The Secretary of Dreams Volume Two - Lettered (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Secretary+Of+Dreams+The+Volume+ Two+-+Lettered&redirect=no) is now up.

[Randall Flagg]

Question: In George Beahm's "Stephen King Collectibles...") he states that there were 10 "PC" copies of "Six Stories" marked with a felt pen and 28 proof copies marked with a pencil.
Can anyone here verify the existence of those copies? A picture or two for the Catalog would be greatly appreciated.

[biomieg]

Maybe someone knows someone who knows Michael Alpert?

[AKC]

I have a Proof with a Letter from Alpert and the handwritten "Proof XX/ XVIII" in Pencil......

I'll see if I can get it uploaded. If all else fails, I can always email a pic to somebody to post.....

AKC

[AKC]

I have a Proof with a Letter from Alpert and the handwritten "Proof XX/ XVIII" in Pencil......

I'll see if I can get it uploaded. If all else fails, I can always email a pic to somebody to post.....

AKC

Pics emailed to Jerome. Catalog to be updated soon!

Awesome piece.

AKC

[Randall Flagg]

I have a Proof with a Letter from Alpert and the handwritten "Proof XX/ XVIII" in Pencil......

I'll see if I can get it uploaded. If all else fails, I can always email a pic to somebody to post.....

AKC

Pics emailed to Jerome. Catalog to be updated soon!

Awesome piece.

AKC
Two nice pictures have been added to the Catalog entry for "Six Stories"
Link: http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Six+Stories+-+S+L&redirect=no

[Randall Flagg]

I am going back through the Catalog to add specific dates that books were released. The year on publication of King books is very dependable, but sometimes the date is not. I am refering to the list on page 1 from this thread: http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?3555-Stephen-King-Book-Release-Dates-List
I was thinking of listing the year then parenthetically saying-Example from Carrie- "1974 (believed to be April 5th"). Should I just list the dates we have as verified, or use the caveat for all of the pre-1996 titles? Thoughts?

[Ben Staad]

Given the challenge to keep the catalog up to date I'm sure I know the answer to this but...Are there any plans to add the UK editions to the catalog?

P.S. Where can I find info on the printing of Misery that looks like a typewriter (at least I think it was Misery).

[Randall Flagg]

Given the challenge to keep the catalog up to date I'm sure I know the answer to this but...Are there any plans to add the UK editions to the catalog?

P.S. Where can I find info on the printing of Misery that looks like a typewriter (at least I think it was Misery).
No plans to add UK editions unless there is a volunteer willing to spend 100's of hours on it.
I spent 250+ hours on the Catalog. It may seem hard to believe but scanning multiple images, taking photos, gathering/writing the text, uploading the photos, then creating the postings were a labor. Granted a labor of love, but I don't wish to take on UK editions, proofs, foreign variants etc. The pay sucks.:P
As for the second question, I am sure someone here will help.

[Ben Staad]

Given the challenge to keep the catalog up to date I'm sure I know the answer to this but...Are there any plans to add the UK editions to the catalog?

P.S. Where can I find info on the printing of Misery that looks like a typewriter (at least I think it was Misery).
No plans to add UK editions unless there is a volunteer willing to spend 100's of hours on it.
I spent 250+ hours on the Catalog. It may seem hard to believe but scanning multiple images, taking photos, gathering/writing the text, uploading the photos, then creating the postings were a labor. Granted a labor of love, but I don't wish to take on UK editions, proofs, foreign variants etc. The pay sucks.:P
As for the second question, I am sure someone here will help.


Thanks for the reply. The amount of time spent on putting the catalog together is certainly appreciated. Hopefully someday, with the help of the other members, a UK index can be compiled.

P.S. I'll kick a buck into your PP account if that will help :)

[Randall Flagg]

<-----------------------------Still hoping for feedback to my question upthread in post #569

[Ari_Racing]

listing the year then parenthetically saying-Example from Carrie- "1974 (believed to be April 5th")

I think this is the best option. It doesn't hurt... :)

[jhanic]

I agree with Ari.

John

[Shannon]

If you put "April 5th, 1974", and someone new comes along, THAT'S the date they will believe that Carrie was released, whether it is right or wrong, and when someone asks them when Carrie was released, this is the info that will be passed on. If not sure, always say so.

I would love a UK First Edition guide. I consider myself a new yet knowledgable collector and I still don't even know if there are prices on UK First Edition dustjackets ... The Collectibles Catalog here has helped me so much, I think it should expand. US First Editions, UK First Editions, Signed Limiteds, Proofs, all available Video, all available Audio, short stories.

I would like to see a "First Appearance of a Short Story" section of the collection. Kind of like what I do when I post my pictures from magazines ... Show the cover, show the story. Jerome, hypothetically, if someone ... me ... were to put in the work and effort, is that something you would want on your website? It would pretty much be a Justin Brooks biblio mixed with pictures and more information.

[Randall Flagg]

I would love to have someone put in the effort, but unless they did it all in advance, or I had a very high confidence level that they would finish it; I wouldn't want to create a Catalog for it.

[Shannon]

"I would love to have someone put in the effort ..."

That's all I needed to hear my friend. Glad I could contribute.

I have a project! I have a mission! Yay!

No deadlines or promises for the entire project, but I will do a short story or two as an example very soon ... we can discuss layouts and what you want/don't want ... we can tweak it ... and I will go from there.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

Many people come here for information. We should at least make sure it is verified as acurate, because others start quoting it as gospel.

This has happened with wrong information from Tomas' site a few times.

[biomieg]

I would love a UK First Edition guide. I consider myself a new yet knowledgable collector and I still don't even know if there are prices on UK First Edition dustjackets

UK firsts have a price on the DJ. There is a 'how to identify UK 1st editions' list on the SKCollector website and our own Mr. Rabbit Trick also has a list on his website.

I do agree that in an ideal world the Catalog would include magazine 1st appearances, proofs et cetera. If I had a scanner I would love to contribute.

[Randall Flagg]

King's new novel 11/22/63 presents the question as to put it at the beginning, end or in the "E" section of the Catalog quick links. ????
I also can't name a Windows folder using a forward slash.

[jhanic]

As far as the slash, why not go with the UK version and use a period?

I'd like to see it under the numeric at the beginning. Just my opinion.

John

[Randall Flagg]

I did use the ... for my Windows file, and put it at the beginning of the Quick Link section. In the actual Catalog it comes after the 'Salem's Lot entries. Evidently a number comes after an apostrophe.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

Same as John.

[Shannon]

In the beginning.

0123456789ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ

In the beginning. As far as computer files are concerned, I have 'Salem's Lot as "Salem's Lot" and I will have 11/22/63 as either "112263" or "11 22 63"

[Merlin1958]

listing the year then parenthetically saying-Example from Carrie- "1974 (believed to be April 5th")

I think this is the best option. It doesn't hurt... :)

I too, agree with Ari!!!

[Merlin1958]

"I would love to have someone put in the effort ..."

That's all I needed to hear my friend. Glad I could contribute.

I have a project! I have a mission! Yay!

No deadlines or promises for the entire project, but I will do a short story or two as an example very soon ... we can discuss layouts and what you want/don't want ... we can tweak it ... and I will go from there.

This is great, Jerome!!!! Now he can focus on something tangible and achievable, not TMSG!!!!


LOL LOL LOL

[Randall Flagg]

Now Shannon has a S.M.A.R.T Goal (specific, measurable, attainable, realistic and timely).

As far as numbers coming before letters, I understand that, it is just interesting to find out where a tilde goes in the sequence.
For those that care the order is: ! " # $ % & ( * , . / : ; @ [ ] ^ _ { | } ~ + < = >0123456789ABC...etc. That is why 'Salem's Lot comes before 11/22/63.
All part of the ASCII hexadecimal coding. (http://www.asciicodes.us/)

[Merlin1958]

Now Shannon has a S.M.A.R.T Goal (specific, measurable, attainable, realistic and timely).

As far as numbers coming before letters, I understand that, it is just interesting to find out where a tilde goes in the sequence.
For those that care the order is: ! " # $ % & ( * , . / : ; @ [ ] ^ _ { | } ~ + < = >0123456789ABC...etc. That is why 'Salem's Lot comes before 11/22/63.
All part of the ASCII hexadecimal coding. (http://www.asciicodes.us/)

OK, point taken, however where exactly does TMSG go besides the obvious? TMSG must have a place in all of this by this time, no? BTW, Love the S.M.A.R.T acronym!!!!!! LOL LOL

Where does TMSG weigh in on all this? Especially having to endure a recent tragedy and all?


LOL

[Shannon]

I used to think Merlin was actually Dolso, the way he promoted his work, now I think he is actually TMSG, lol

RF, "For those that care the order is ..." That was very interesting, thank you.

Tilde, "Caveat Emptor", shill ... For an English major, I'm learning quite a lot here in the Stephen King forums, lol

[Randall Flagg]

I went through and opened up each Catalog entry so that discussions on the books can be made within the Catalog itself. Just click on the Discussion Tab to view and respond.

[Randall Flagg]

New listing for J. N. Williamson's Illustrated Masques is up:
http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=J+N+Williamsons+Illustrated+Mas ques#post636567

[Randall Flagg]

Interesting the price difference on the order form.

http://www.thedarktower.org/custom/images/1315271867-Bachman%20books%20order%20form%20post%2019800001.j pg

[Fsmdr]

Jerome,

I just added an entry to the catalog : The Road To The Dark Tower S/L. Did I do it right?. I want to make sure it looks ok before I added more to the catalog. Thanks for checking it.

[Merlin1958]

TMSG, does not wish to be involved!!

At least the "Living" ones I have polled!!!

LOL :biggrin1: LOL

[Robert Fulman]

I don't know what TMSG has to do with this, but I think the catalog is intended for items by King or signed by him.

[Merlin1958]

I don't know what TMSG has to do with this, but I think the catalog is intended for items by King or signed by him.

My apologies, TMSG is a light hearted ongoing joke on the boards. Again my apologies for trying to interject humor. You are of course, absolutely correct!

[Robert Fulman]

I know all about TMSG, I just don't know why his sacred tetragrammaton was invoked in this case.

[Randall Flagg]

Jerome,

I just added an entry to the catalog : The Road To The Dark Tower S/L. Did I do it right?. I want to make sure it looks ok before I added more to the catalog. Thanks for checking it.
You did it right, but it isn't a King trade 1st, S/L etc. Sorry but I had to delete it.

[Randall Flagg]

I need help from my fellow collectors. I only have an image for the 3rd state $7.95 Callahan dustjacket flap. I need the other two. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[Merlin1958]

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2042/salemslot003.jpg

[Randall Flagg]

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2042/salemslot003.jpg
I need a scan of the inner flap from the 1st state and the 2nd state. Should look like this:
http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/510/medium/Salem_s_Lot_trade_dj_flap.jpg

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

Bob has posted both 1st and 2nd states somewhere before, but I can't remember where.

[carlosdetweiller]

Bob has posted both 1st and 2nd states somewhere before, but I can't remember where.

I'll look when I get home. I should have them both still on my computer.

[herbertwest]

I would be the owner of 1 of the 3 rare covers, i would put a giant watermark or something to avoid some people to copy/ print the cover and try to con people...

[Randall Flagg]

I am not sure why-I believe it's search bots, but the most viewed page in the Catalog is for the trade edition of Duma Key.
A tremendous amount of work went into/goes into the Catalog. Hopefully members will take advantage of the resource. I am always looking to improve/correct the entries.

[Patrick]

Our catalogs are pretty damned awesome, thanks to Jerome's huge effort supported by the assistance of many members in different ways.

[Shannon]

If it weren't for the Collectibles Catalog here, and the SKCollector pages, I would not have had a foundation of information on which to build my collection on. That's why I am trying to contribute in any way I can. :)

[biomieg]

+1. With a bit of luck I'll finish the remaining proof entries tonight.

[Randall Flagg]

Special thanks to carlosdetweiler for the DJ images. We now have all three states of the 'Salem's Lot DJ's posted in our Catalog.
Link: http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Salems+Lot+-+Trade+HC&redirect=no

[Pasiuk57]

Have the 2 and 3 of course...#1 is a "bit" tricky....

[ChristineB]

#1 is a "bit" tricky....

LOL that would be an understatement, since we only know of what maybe 15 that still exist? hehe

[carlosdetweiller]

#1 is a "bit" tricky....

LOL that would be an understatement, since we only know of what maybe 15 that still exist? hehe

Six, I think.

[Pasiuk57]

Yep-figured!

[Randall Flagg]

I wonder who the artists were for Carrie, 'Salem's Lot, The Stand, The Shining and Dead Zone?

[biomieg]

Aren't they mentioned in Centipede's Knowing Darkness? I'll look it up later tonight.

[ChristineB]

#1 is a "bit" tricky....

LOL that would be an understatement, since we only know of what maybe 15 that still exist? hehe

Six, I think.

6 does sound more like what I remember the number being now. TY Carlos

[carlosdetweiller]

#1 is a "bit" tricky....

LOL that would be an understatement, since we only know of what maybe 15 that still exist? hehe

Six, I think.

6 does sound more like what I remember the number being now. TY Carlos

When Peter Schneider has written about finding the folded, unused dj's in a folder in the Doubleday art department he has said that he found "three or four." Peter no longer responds to e-mail or phone calls so we can't question him any further on this. Either he was mistaken in his counting or someone else found some more at a different time. Hutch and I can name six collectors who have them. It is possible, but unlikely, that there are more.

[ChristineB]

I know I remember a disscussion about one out there that wasn't ever folded in half, so we know there were more then the few Peter Schneider had found that one time. *shrug*

[ChristineB]

I wonder who the artists were for Carrie, 'Salem's Lot, The Stand, The Shining and Dead Zone?

Was just reading a listing for The Stand in ebay and this is what it states. I have no idea if it is correct or not though: Classic jacket design of battle between sword and sickle by John Cayea

[ELazansky]

Aren't they mentioned in Centipede's Knowing Darkness? I'll look it up later tonight.

I'll save you the trouble...

Carrie - cover art and photograph by Alex Gotfryd
Salem's Lot - cover by Dave Christensen
The Stand - cover by John Cayea
The Shining - cover by Dave Christensen
The Dead Zone - cover photo by One + One Studio

[Randall Flagg]

Thanks, I added the info.
If anyone has info about other books-The Long Walk, etc. Please post and I will add the info to the Catalog.

[ChristineB]

Aren't they mentioned in Centipede's Knowing Darkness? I'll look it up later tonight.

I'll save you the trouble...

Carrie - cover art and photograph by Alex Gotfryd
Salem's Lot - cover by Dave Christensen
The Stand - cover by John Cayea
The Shining - cover by Dave Christensen
The Dead Zone - cover photo by One + One Studio

So did anyone else read this as Got Fried the first time they saw it? hehehehe

[WeDealInLead]

Does the ABA slipcased edition of Gerald's Game have the full number line? There's one on eBay right now I'm considering of buying. It has the DJ though and according to the catalogue they didn't come with one. Maybe the seller swapped the book?

[biomieg]

I'm pretty sure that the ABA edition has a full number line. The one on eBay is a very good deal, I think.

[Shannon]

Image needed for the catalog:

Entertainment Weekly: Number 812.

This issue had five different covers, each focused on a different Desperate Housewife. I need the one with Felicity Huffman (the plain looking blond from the show), thank you.

LINK (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Short+Works:The+Pop+Of+King:+No +Stars+Sorry+nonfiction)

[Randall Flagg]

Does the ABA slipcased edition of Gerald's Game have the full number line? There's one on eBay right now I'm considering of buying. It has the DJ though and according to the catalogue they didn't come with one. Maybe the seller swapped the book?
Yes it has a full numberline, and most importantly, the bound in letter to the ABA booksellers.

[jhanic]

The ABA edition of Gerald's Game does have a full number line. It did not come with a dust jacket, but with a cardboard slipcase. I once bought a copy with a dust jacket but without the slipcase for about $10. I donated it to a friend of mine who didn't have the book. I thought it might have been a different version. Oh, well.

John

[WeDealInLead]

Thanks y'all. I bought the book. I was a bit thrown with the DJ but the book does have the slipcase and the letter. Worst case scenario is I have an extra DJ for the book.

[Randall Flagg]

I updated the Catalog entry of The Drawing of the Three S/L audio tapes. All new images/scans, Check it out and let me know what you think.
http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Drawing+of+the+Three+The+DTII+-Audio+-+S+L&redirect=no

[Randall Flagg]

I sort of draw the line at anything in my collection outside "printed material" with a few exceptions like "Art" and things that were "given to me", but it all depends on the item.

My best Christmas gift was vanity license plates that read "2Yankee" LOL LOL

And of course "TMSG"!!!! LOL
As much as I like frivolity, joking and funny comments, I am actually seeking out constructive feedback regarding the Catalog-if I wanted irrelevant comments I would have posted in the Random Comments thread.
P.S. Thanks to Shannon for (via PM) assisting and making great suggestions.

[Ben Staad]

Post deleted.

[Randall Flagg]

Sorry Ben, I quoted you when I should not have.

[Shannon]

lol, ever the villain. :)

[Patrick]

I don't recall what it used to look like, but the catalog entry looks great now!

[Randall Flagg]

The entry for the S/L of IT is finished.

[Merlin1958]

I sort of draw the line at anything in my collection outside "printed material" with a few exceptions like "Art" and things that were "given to me", but it all depends on the item.

My best Christmas gift was vanity license plates that read "2Yankee" LOL LOL

And of course "TMSG"!!!! LOL
As much as I like frivolity, joking and funny comments, I am actually seeking out constructive feedback regarding the Catalog-if I wanted irrelevant comments I would have posted in the Random Comments thread.
P.S. Thanks to Shannon for (via PM) assisting and making great suggestions.

I deleted my post as well, but I actually did give you "Constructive feedback". IMHO and with my collection, I draw a "soft" line at items that are not actual books. Whether that meets your criterion or not IDK, it's just my "Opinion". I did add a joke, but didn't think I would be singled out over it. Sorry if it was inappropriate, it was not intended as such.

The main point of my post was relative to where you draw the line. For me, it is "generally" with printed material. For others, it may be elsewhere. It's very hard to say, one way or the other. For instance, I do not view "Audio-renditions" of books as collectible, but that's me. Although I could claim a few exceptions. It's all very subjective IMHO.

Does that help at all?

[Randall Flagg]

Yes thanks. I think I allowed crankiness on my part to influence my response-not your fault, just me being snarky.

[Shannon]

Crow-Man = Crankiness. :)

[tippy4]

Jerome....just my OCD kicking in here, but I noticed that your entries for the two versions of UTD on The Complete List of Stephen King Signed Limiteds are inconsistent.

2009 Under The Dome 1,500 (unnumbered)
2009 Under The Dome UK 500 Numbered

should read...

2009 Under The Dome US 1,500 (unnumbered)
2009 Under The Dome UK 500 (numbered)

Also, on the following three entries, you need either a comma or a period or a plus-sign after "802" .

2009 He Is Legend 750 + 52 = 802 Indeterminate # of PC's
2011 (January) Full Dark, No Stars (Cemetery Dance) 750 #'d + 52 Lettered = 802 Indeterminate # of PC's
2011 IT: The 25th Anniversary Edition (Cemetery Dance) 750 #'d + 52 Lettered = 802 Indeterminate # of PC's

I clearly have way too much free time on my hands today.

Happy New Year All!

[biomieg]

Another question is: should the GERALD'S GAME ABAA edition (with cardboard slipcase) still have an entry in the Collectibles Catalog, since it's commonly thought of as an advanced reader's copy (and therefore included by yours truly in the Manuscripts/Proofs/ARCs Catalog)?

[Randall Flagg]

tippy, thanks. Changes have been done.
biomieg, it is redundant, but I'd prefer to leave it. Since I took the time to scan the book and letter I am kind of partial to it.

[Randall Flagg]

I am trying to determine what year the Rainy Season print was published. Anyone know for sure?

[Randall Flagg]

Next question: What was the issue price for the lettered Cujo?

[TwistedNadine]

Was wondering why Necon XX is not in the catalog?

[Randall Flagg]

Was wondering why Necon XX is not in the catalog?
At the risk of sounding obtuse, did King sign it?

[Randall Flagg]

Next question: What was the issue price for the lettered Cujo?
Also trying to find the issue price of the S/L portfolio of Cycle of the Werewolf, and Dark Dreamers.

[TwistedNadine]

Was wondering why Necon XX is not in the catalog?
At the risk of sounding obtuse, did King sign it?

The catalog has other editions not signed by him. I havent read what is included in the catalog and what isnt but assumed anything he wrote that was published is included..?

[Randall Flagg]

Was wondering why Necon XX is not in the catalog?
At the risk of sounding obtuse, did King sign it?

The catalog has other editions not signed by him. I havent read what is included in the catalog and what isnt but assumed anything he wrote that was published is included..?
Not necessarily. the primary focus of the Catalog is collectible King books, primarily defined by (but not always limited to) US 1st edition novels, collections and signed limited King books. There are a few other items signed by King.
I had to make time and space bound considerations. I simply don't have the time and resources to try and be a King bibliographer.

[TwistedNadine]

Makes sense. But it would be nice to have listings of some of the more esoteric collectible items (at least collectible to some of us) like the Ubris issues, Onan, Moth, etc. My thought would be books and publications that have a first appearance of a story or poem, not necessarily forwards or introductions to other author's books. Although that would open the door to having to list all the magazines that contained King's first story appearances - like the Cavaliers. I can see how it can be daunting and the line has to be drawn somewhere...

[Randall Flagg]

We have volunteers (myself included) who have worked on things that excited them. biomeg did the
King Manuscripts, Proofs and ARC's (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/forumdisplay.php?188-King-Manuscripts-Proofs-and-ARC-s)



Shannon is working on the

King's Short Works (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/forumdisplay.php?187-King-s-Short-Works)



Are you volunteering to do the Esoteric collectible items catalog?:biggrin:

[TwistedNadine]

Actually, yes. I think I would really like to do that. It would be a little bit at a time cause Im not on the site as often as you guys (Im sick with the flu today so can spend my time with you guys instead of making clients sick. And who wants to work when their sick, anyway?) and you would have to walk me through the tech stuff but yeah I'm into it...

[biomieg]

I think Shannon is planning to include all the 'college era' stuff in his Short Works catalog. But I'm all for more reference lists!

[TwistedNadine]

I think Shannon is planning to include all the 'college era' stuff in his Short Works catalog. But I'm all for more reference lists!

Yeah - looking over the Short Works I see some of the stories I was referring to with pics of the publications. Would another list be redundant?

[Shannon]

TwistedNadine, my endgoal is to have an entry for every first appearance of a Stephen King short work. Fiction, nonfiction, excerpt, introduction, puzzle, recipe, poem, etc. Everything. I am a little busy with the Unveiling at the moment, but as soon as that is done ... no, wait, nevermind, as soon as the Unveiling is done I am going to start working on the Unveiling II (non-King books from the same collector: lots of stuff a lot of people here will like, I'm sure of it) ... and after THAT is done, lol, I will get to work on more entries. There's no rush on completing it as the items in question are never going away, but I will continue to add to it more and more as I find the time. :)

Shannon

[Merlin1958]

I'm not knowledgeable enough to contribute, but IMHO we should eliminate anything King has just done a "forward" or "Introduction" for from the list. Of course, if someone wants to do it as a pet project, I suppose "why not". I have a copy of "Frankenstein" with a King Intro, but I bought it for the Mary Shelley story not the "King Intro" and would not expect to find it in the "Catalog". FWIW that's my thoughts if it is any help at all.

[TwistedNadine]

Is anyone interested in a separate listing by Book, Mag or other publication containing a first appearance of an SK story or poem? Shannons list is by story title. Who is interested in having another list by Book (publication) title? The list would include pubs like Moth Onan Contraband, Ubris and even earlier like comic review but also the later ones like Necon XX?

Another option is to list the Pub title in Shannons already started short works list?

[Randall Flagg]

I'm not knowledgeable enough to contribute, but IMHO we should eliminate anything King has just done a "forward" or "Introduction" for from the list. Of course, if someone wants to do it as a pet project, I suppose "why not". I have a copy of "Frankenstein" with a King Intro, but I bought it for the Mary Shelley story not the "King Intro" and would not expect to find it in the "Catalog". FWIW that's my thoughts if it is any help at all.
That isn't in the Collectibles Catalog (unless of course it was a S/L where King signed)-nor will it be. An entirely different section (headed by Shannon) is dedicated to King's short works, including but not limited to intro's etc.

[Merlin1958]

I'm not knowledgeable enough to contribute, but IMHO we should eliminate anything King has just done a "forward" or "Introduction" for from the list. Of course, if someone wants to do it as a pet project, I suppose "why not". I have a copy of "Frankenstein" with a King Intro, but I bought it for the Mary Shelley story not the "King Intro" and would not expect to find it in the "Catalog". FWIW that's my thoughts if it is any help at all.
That isn't in the Collectibles Catalog (unless of course it was a S/L where King signed)-nor will it be. An entirely different section (headed by Shannon) is dedicated to King's short works, including but not limited to intro's etc.

Hey, sorry. Maybe I misunderstood. I was just trying to be of some help. Obviously, I am not the kind of collector that should "weigh" in on these matters. I have a fairly strict set of rules to my own collection, that I have determined and try to stick to. The "catalogs" are a wonderful reference that I am only recently utilizing to it's full potential.

[Randall Flagg]

No harm. I just want to be careful before I "eliminate" something. It's all good. Anything that helps to improve the Catalog is great, and feedback is always appreciated-that shows someone is perusing the Catalog and cares to respond.

[Merlin1958]

No harm. I just want to be careful before I "eliminate" something. It's all good. Anything that helps to improve the Catalog is great, and feedback is always appreciated-that shows someone is perusing the Catalog and cares to respond.

As you should be. It's all cool. Just my "3 beans" FWIW. I have no illusions about being a "high level" collector like some here. You and some others are much more qualified to determine guidelines. Just throwing in my "beans", FWIW. You folks are doing a GREAT job and it is a VALUABLE reference!!!!


:clap::clap:

[Shannon]

Merlin, I love your quotation marks. Always have, lol. I, and everyone else, I'm sure, is very appreciative of feedback and critiques. And views! There is nothing worse than spending time on something that no one cares enough to see, lol. I, as a personal preference, hold King's introductions, reviews, letters to editors, afterwords, etc. in the same league of importance as his fiction and nonfiction short works. They are all on a checklist, and that checklist must be checked. :)

TN, I plan on having multiple Tables Of Contents for the Short Works section:

Alphabetical by story, split into Fiction and Nonfiction subgroups.
By publication date.
Alphabetical by book/collection with links next to the title for each story.

One day, one day, lol. Let's see ... My entries are at 238 right now. At 300 (with an update for every hundred after that) I will create the three TOCs. Promise.

If I forget, someone remind me ...

[Merlin1958]

Merlin, I love your quotation marks. Always have, lol. I, and everyone else, I'm sure, is very appreciative of feedback and critiques. And views! There is nothing worse than spending time on something that no one cares enough to see, lol. I, as a personal preference, hold King's introductions, reviews, letters to editors, afterwords, etc. in the same league of importance as his fiction and nonfiction short works. They are all on a checklist, and that checklist must be checked. :)

TN, I plan on having multiple Tables Of Contents for the Short Works section:

Alphabetical by story, split into Fiction and Nonfiction subgroups.
By publication date.
Alphabetical by book/collection with links next to the title for each story.

One day, one day, lol. Let's see ... My entries are at 238 right now. At 300 (with an update for every hundred after that) I will create the three TOCs. Promise.

If I forget, someone remind me ...

Look, I'm really sorry to have intruded upon your domain. My apologies I won't be back again. I was just throwing in my (Quotation Marks) Three Beans (End quotation Marks) and obviously that was a poor choice. Sorry to have intruded. I'm out!! OK??/

[TwistedNadine]

TN, I plan on having multiple Tables Of Contents for the Short Works section:

Alphabetical by story, split into Fiction and Nonfiction subgroups.
By publication date.
Alphabetical by book/collection with links next to the title for each story.

One day, one day, lol. Let's see ... My entries are at 238 right now. At 300 (with an update for every hundred after that) I will create the three TOCs. Promise.

If I forget, someone remind me ...

Ok so sounds like you have it covered. Doesnt sound like another list is needed or wanted. Very few comments on the catalog anyway. I think its a fantastic reference source and your work (along with RF, Biomeig and the other contributors) is very much appreciated.

[TwistedNadine]

I was just browsing the Proofs catalog and I gotta say my Proof collection is SERIOUSLY lacking. I actually thought I was doing fairly well (though slowly) building it up but in looking at all the variations (and stuff I should have but DONT like the letter and samples that went with the EOTD proof that I didnt know existed) Im feeling rather negligent in my collecting obligations.
Biomieg (and Jhanic, Carlos etc) very very nice job. I just expanded my collecting want list and goals a thousand fold.

[Shannon]

Merlin, you apologize too much. Why are you apologizing and what do you feel you intruded upon? You're my bestie and I always appreciate any thought that pops up in your noggin. :)

[Randall Flagg]

We have the German bootleg edition of IT in the catalog. Should Nebel be included?

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

I don't know why any foreign language books are in the catalog. :confused:

[Shannon]

United States First Editions
Signed Limited Editions
Artist/Gift Editions

In my opinion, that should be the main Catalog.

If there is ever time, I would love to see subcatalogs for British first editions. Bio's Proofs/ARCs and my Short Works sections are in the works and when they are complete I see those also becoming official branches. As far as foreign (non-English) editions go, there are SOOOO many out there, and because most of them can only afford to do what we consider "limited runs" (under 10,000 first printings), that would be a lot of "collectible foreign editions" ... So if we're going to do foreign editions, we should do them all. All of them. Every. Single. One.

How bad ass would that be? I forget which website it is (a few, actually), but you know where you click on the title of a SK book and it comes up with all the covers for the editions around the world? I LOVE that. Hence my excitation for the Every. Single. One. project. :)

[jhanic]

http://www.stephenkingshop.com/bookcovers.htm

John

[Shannon]

Yep, that's one of them. Love it. :)

[Randall Flagg]

I don't know why any foreign language books are in the catalog. :confused:
I suppose because it is a Collectible King book-and truth be known, I took the time to scan it, take pictures, and put in the text, so it is tough, but not impossible to delete it. A bit like the Gerald's Game ARC. I'd be happy to delete it from the Catalog as long as the additional images where posted in the ARC thread.

[Randall Flagg]

United States First Editions
Signed Limited Editions
Artist/Gift Editions

In my opinion, that should be the main Catalog.

If there is ever time, I would love to see subcatalogs for British first editions. Bio's Proofs/ARCs and my Short Works sections are in the works and when they are complete I see those also becoming official branches. As far as foreign (non-English) editions go, there are SOOOO many out there, and because most of them can only afford to do what we consider "limited runs" (under 10,000 first printings), that would be a lot of "collectible foreign editions" ... So if we're going to do foreign editions, we should do them all. All of them. Every. Single. One.

Perhaps you could finish one project before taking on another even more challenging one.:biggrin:

[Shannon]

Oh, I wouldn't be doing the Every.Single.One project. Nope nope nope, I'll pass, thank you. lol

[Randall Flagg]

Perhaps you could finish your project before suggesting more projects.:grouphug:

[Shannon]

Nope, too many ideas. Cannot be silenced. Must flow.

Besides, my project's completion date is pretty far away. Mr. King is nothing if not prolific, lol.

[biomieg]

I wouldn't mind adding the Gerald's Game pics to the entry in the Proofs section. Re: Nebel, I think including stuff like that is a slippery slope but these couple of German books did somehow become 'collectible' and therefore I think it's interesting to have them in the Catalog.

We're getting a scanner so that UK 1st editions Catalog may be something for me to get involved in...

[Shannon]

"We're getting a scanner so that UK 1st editions Catalog may be something for me to get involved in..."

Yay!

[biomieg]

Ideally (my opinion), we should expand/modify the current Catalogs and classify everything as follows:


King Collectibles Catalog - containing all S/L editions;
King Trade Editions Catalog - containing US and UK 1st trade editions;
King Short Works Catalog - containing all fiction/non-fiction/poetry 1st appearances;
King Manuscripts/Proofs/ARCs Catalog - containing the known manuscript proofs, true proofs and ARCs
King Miscellanea Catalog - containing items like the German 'bootlegs' that became collectible for whatever reason.


A lot of the hard work (i.e. creating the entries) has been done already. It really depends on how easily the trade editions and miscellaneous items can be extracted from the current King Collectibles Catalog without wreaking havoc and/or creating mayhem (this seems pretty straightforward but I know from experience that the Wiki is a dangerous animal, you can't even change an entry title without disrupting something else).

My two cents.

If the group agrees, I'd be more than willing to help out, creating UK trade edition entries according to Jerome's layout but also rearranging/adding other stuff.

[Randall Flagg]

I would be very reticent to try and extract all of the US 1st editions and then insert them in a newly created (or existing) wiki area. In fact I don't know how to do it without the potential for trouble.

[Shannon]

I like the idea of splitting everything up, but my opinion was taken away until I finish my section, lol.

[olverts]

I would like maybe a sub-entry in the manuscript/proof/arc section for all the promo samplers/booklets.
All these pre-publication items that don´t really count as proofs .

Maybe that´s too much work , just my two cents :)

[biomieg]

I would be very reticent to try and extract all of the US 1st editions and then insert them in a newly created (or existing) wiki area. In fact I don't know how to do it without the potential for trouble.

Yeah, that's what I was afraid of. But maybe I'll go ahead and dive into the VaultWiki documentation on their website and see if I can come up with a way to make it work (if people are open to the idea of the Catalog subcategories).

[Randall Flagg]

Please do. I could always create the new category, and we could test move an article (we would keep a copy of the article prior to moving).

[Shannon]

It should be easy to copy and paste an article into a new section. The only thing that would be a pain in the ass I think is creating a new Table Of Contents.

[Randall Flagg]

It should be easy to copy and paste an article into a new section. The only thing that would be a pain in the ass I think is creating a new Table Of Contents.
Right now the only way I know to do it would be to create a new article in the newly created subsection, then paste the contents of the existing article. Then you have to hope duplicate titles don't screw something up. If it works, then you delete the old article. Someone would need to do all the UK articles as I have only 1 or 2 Uk titles. I could do a test by literally creating an article in one section, then creating a duplicate in another section.

[Shannon]

I think because they are in seperate Wiki sections the duplicate titles shouldn't be a problem. I would assume it's the same as if you titled two Word documents the same title, but in different folders. Shouldn't matter.

[skyofcrack]

It should be easy to copy and paste an article into a new section. The only thing that would be a pain in the ass I think is creating a new Table Of Contents.
Right now the only way I know to do it would be to create a new article in the newly created subsection, then paste the contents of the existing article. Then you have to hope duplicate titles don't screw something up. If it works, then you delete the old article. Someone would need to do all the UK articles as I have only 1 or 2 Uk titles. I could do a test by literally creating an article in one section, then creating a duplicate in another section.

You can probably copy/paste an article to the new section an add a character to it like (1) so it's slightly different. If everything is okay you can delete the original then rename the new article, removing the (1).

[Randall Flagg]

I just posted an article in the Collectibles section and also in the ARC. Both are titled "Shannon". There doesn't appear to be a conflict. Shannon uses quote marks in his wiki so Shannon is the last article.
The hard part would be creating (cloning) each existing article. It isn't like moving posts or comments en masse. So far it looks like EVERY entry would have to be cloned into the new category.

[Shannon]

Go into the Edit option for an entry, select all, copy, go into newly created entry in subsection, paste, post.

[Shannon]

I was going to do an example of copying the entry for the trade of 'Salem's Lot into my section but little ol' me doesn't have A-C-C-E-S-S to edit your section. :(

[Randall Flagg]

Go into the Edit option for an entry, select all, copy, go into newly created entry in subsection, paste, post.
Yes, once you create the new article you can paste the contents of the old article, however any of the comments (once the first article is deleted) will disappear.
Also it is a ton of work. Easily said, more difficult to do.

[Shannon]

One can copy and paste the comments/entire discussion and enter them as the first post in the new comment section. :) Again, easier said than done. We should all have personal assistants to deal with our Stephen King stuff. I have literally thousands of eBay listings saved in my favorites folder that I would love entered into my spreadsheet, lol.

[biomieg]

Still, I like where this is going guys! If it works and we can create a Trade Edition Catalog, I'll provide the UK entries... with scans. I have a full set including Carrie, Night Shift etc.

[Shannon]

I like where this is going also, but just so you know, three years from now we're going to be right back here saying, "OK, who did we put in charge of the King Japanese First Edition section?"

By the way, I really really like a lot of the Japanese editions cover art, especially the two-volume ones.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

I like where this is going also, but just so you know, three years from now we're going to be right back here saying, "OK, who did we put in charge of the King Japanese First Edition section?"

That would be Balsung Lo.

[Shannon]

Does Balsung Lo stand for FREAKIN' AWESOME!?

;)

[Merlin1958]

I am not qualified to add here to your remarkable efforts, but if it is of any help I have an extensive (almost complete) UK collection and would be happy to help out in my limited capacity with pics or some info as you may need. Just throwing that out there if it can help in anyway.

You guys do an amazing amount of work and the catalogs are truly impressive. If I can make even a small contribution, feel free to ask!!!

P.S. I bet Stockerlone and Herbertwest (first to come to mind that are not already involved) would help out with some of the other foreign editions if asked.

[biomieg]

Thanks, Bill! Re: the UK books - I'm going to make scans of all the covers like Jerome has done for the US books and once I get started, I'll most likely do them all in a single, obsessive-compulsive session. But if for whatever reason I can't make it or it takes too long, I'l let you know!

[herbertwest]

I am not qualified to add here to your remarkable efforts, but if it is of any help I have an extensive (almost complete) UK collection and would be happy to help out in my limited capacity with pics or some info as you may need. Just throwing that out there if it can help in anyway.

You guys do an amazing amount of work and the catalogs are truly impressive. If I can make even a small contribution, feel free to ask!!!

P.S. I bet Stockerlone and Herbertwest (first to come to mind that are not already involved) would help out with some of the other foreign editions if asked.

I would... but can only do it for French items, and to be honnest, i think that there is only 1 french item that would deserve being in the catalog...

[stevohump]

I think adding a UK trade section to the catalog is an amazing idea. I know I have often wished there was one. I woul'nt be much help, and only have a few UK 1st but if I can do anything to help I would be more than willing. I am very greatful for evryone's efforts with this project.

[Randall Flagg]

Ideally (my opinion), we should expand/modify the current Catalogs and classify everything as follows:



King Collectibles Catalog - containing all S/L editions;
King Trade Editions Catalog - containing US and UK 1st trade editions;
King Short Works Catalog - containing all fiction/non-fiction/poetry 1st appearances;
King Manuscripts/Proofs/ARCs Catalog - containing the known manuscript proofs, true proofs and ARCs
King Miscellanea Catalog - containing items like the German 'bootlegs' that became collectible for whatever reason.



A lot of the hard work (i.e. creating the entries) has been done already. It really depends on how easily the trade editions and miscellaneous items can be extracted from the current King Collectibles Catalog without wreaking havoc and/or creating mayhem (this seems pretty straightforward but I know from experience that the Wiki is a dangerous animal, you can't even change an entry title without disrupting something else).

My two cents.

If the group agrees, I'd be more than willing to help out, creating UK trade edition entries according to Jerome's layout but also rearranging/adding other stuff.

What do you think of the titles:


King US Collectibles Catalog
King UK Colllectibles Catalog
King Short Works Catalog - containing all fiction/non-fiction/poetry 1st appearances;
King Manuscripts/Proofs/ARCs Catalog - containing the known manuscript proofs, true proofs and ARCs
King Miscellanea Catalog - containing items like the German 'bootlegs' that became collectible for whatever reason.

There would be a lot less moving and deleting of articles by doing it this way. I know that it would separate S/L's between several categories.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

Don't forget the Main title... King Signed Limited

[Randall Flagg]

I didn't forget the main title, I was just contemplating a different (easier) way to do it.
All King US S/L, Gift, Artist and Trade firsts would go in the "US Collectibles Catalog" Likely the Cujo Guitar, Letters From Hell, Insomnia portfolio, COTW portfolio and Rainy Season print would be included and not put in the Miscellanea category.
All King UK S/L, Gift Artist and Trade firsts would go in the "UK Collectibles Catalog"

Just a thought.
Until biomeg or someone else has a significant portion of the UK stuff prepared we have time to discuss it.

[Patrick]

I'm for whatever option is the relative least amount of work for those who are putting in the effort.

[biomieg]

We're getting a scanner very soon and then I'll lock myself up with my UK booksesss.... I still prefer to separate the trades from the signed editions but your suggestion is a good one, Jerome. As long as we don't stumble upon a setting that allows us to simply change the 'container' of an article instead of having to create articles, copy/paste content, and delete the old article, it's probably the most viable option.

[Shannon]

No way, all the Signed Limiteds should stay together, regardless of country. Think of it like your bookshelf ... Well, maybe not yours, but mine. I have my items together by section ...

US Editions
Signed Limited Editions
UK Editions
Proofs/ARCs
Foreign
Gift/Artist Editions
Magazines
Anthologies
Odds and Ends/Other
SubCollections (Holdorf, Doubleday reissues, Stephen King Library, Stephen King Horror Library, etc)

I'm not saying use all my sections, I'm just saying, Signed Limited go together. Please? lol

[jhanic]

I like Jerome's suggestion.

John

[Randall Flagg]

Shannon, you of all people should understand what it takes to put it all together. What you propose sounds great, but implementing it is vastly time consuming. I spent 100's of hours putting together what we have. I think too much segregation will lead to difficulties down the road.
The proposal I have is simple and easier.

Oh and I don't see ever doing a "foreign editions" section. Simply impossible to backtrack every title, let alone keeping it current. Next you will propose we do "Native Language" catalogs. :confused1:

[biomieg]

I've posted a question about moving articles between Wikis (preferably without redirects) on the VaultWiki forum. They have online documentation (for both admins and users) but it's not as extensive as I would have liked. Hopefully they'll provide an answer soon.

[Shannon]

I'm not suggesting we do every section like that, i was just showing an example of how my bookshelves/Stephen King area are divided. I just REALLY dislike splitting things up by language/country instead of TYPE of item.

I really don't think it would be too difficult. Give me access and I will copy and paste all current US First Edition and Signed Limited entries into their new spots. This will be after the Unveiling, but I should be able to do it in a day or two.

US First Editions
UK First Editions
Signed Limiteds
Proofs
Short Works (which, in turn, covers the important magazines, anthologies, etc.)
Misc. - Gift/Artist/Prototypes/Dolso cases, everything else.

[Randall Flagg]

First off, as of now I am not aware of how to C&P the entire article-including the title. To "move" all of the S/L's to there own category would involve:


Create new wiki forum for King S/L's.
For each and every King S/L a new article would have to be created-with the proper title.
The contents of every "old" article would have to be pasted into the new article.
Deleting each and every old article.
Creating a new Table of Contents with proper titling, and correct hyperlinks.
Losing any (and granted there are few) comments made for each article.

I am probably missing a thing or two, but rest assured it is no quick and simple task-thus we are debating it at length prior to running off "willy nilly". Even the simplest of ways will require someone handling the UK 1st editions to spend quite a bit of time.

[Shannon]

I'm glad there is no willy nillying going on.

The new sections and titles for entries will need to be entered manually. This is how I would imagine this going:

Create the "US First Editions" section just like you created my "King's Short Works" section.
Create a "Carrie" entry in the "US First Editions" section. Leave it blank for now.
Go into the editing part of the existing "Carrie - Trade Edition" entry in your Catalog, copy the entire entry.
Go back into the new "Carrie" entry in the "US First Editions" section and paste the entire entry.

That should be it, no?

Of course, if this is what I am/we're doing, it would be easier to do massive work for each step before moving onto the other ... For example, I would create all of the new entries in the newly formed "US First Editions" section first, then open up each old entry from the Catalog, copy and paste each entry into a Word document for easy access, and then open up all my new entries and paste the old entries from the Word document.

... yep, a day or two of work. ;)

Deleting the old entries and/or creating a table of contents is yet another two steps, but exponentially faster if done efficiently as above.

[Randall Flagg]

I'm glad there is no willy nillying going on.

The new sections and titles for entries will need to be entered manually. This is how I would imagine this going:

Create the "US First Editions" section just like you created my "King's Short Works" section.
Create a "Carrie" entry in the "US First Editions" section. Leave it blank for now.
Go into the editing part of the existing "Carrie - Trade Edition" entry in your Catalog, copy the entire entry.
Go back into the new "Carrie" entry in the "US First Editions" section and paste the entire entry.

That should be it, no?

Of course, if this is what I am/we're doing, it would be easier to do massive work for each step before moving onto the other ... For example, I would create all of the new entries in the newly formed "US First Editions" section first, then open up each old entry from the Catalog, copy and paste each entry into a Word document for easy access, and then open up all my new entries and paste the old entries from the Word document.

... yep, a day or two of work. ;)

Deleting the old entries and/or creating a table of contents is yet another two steps, but exponentially faster if done efficiently as above.
I think you just restated the steps I outlined.
When someone has the UK trade 1sts lined up we can decide, but at the risk of appearing jingoistic the overwhelming body of King's collectibles are US with a smaller but not to be overlooked UK presence.

[biomieg]

This is what the VaultWiki people say:


From the article view, there should be a Move tab which will let you move it to another wiki (or forum) location. You can also mass-move wiki articles using inline moderation controls you're used to with threads, from the forum-view of the wiki.


Jerome, I/we don't have full administrative access to the Wikis so I can't confirm but please check it out. Also, if the 'move' tab isn't visible there may be ways of implementing it/switching it on - I'll have to get back to their documentation or ask on the forum but I think I read that somewhere.

[Randall Flagg]

There (and I should have known this) is a box that I can check and move articles en mass. I tested moving one back and forth and it worked. Moving the article does however break the "Index quick link".

[Stockerlone]

I am not qualified to add here to your remarkable efforts, but if it is of any help I have an extensive (almost complete) UK collection and would be happy to help out in my limited capacity with pics or some info as you may need. Just throwing that out there if it can help in anyway.

You guys do an amazing amount of work and the catalogs are truly impressive. If I can make even a small contribution, feel free to ask!!!

P.S. I bet Stockerlone and Herbertwest (first to come to mind that are not already involved) would help out with some of the other foreign editions if asked.


On the german SK Fanpage ´we´ of cause also have a KingWiki with more then 10000 articles.
Whenever someone needs infos pls ask.
http://wiki.stephen-king.de/index.php/Hauptseite

[biomieg]

There (and I should have known this) is a box that I can check and move articles en mass. I tested moving one back and forth and it worked. Moving the article does however break the "Index quick link".

But creating a new Index is much less work than the article copy/paste job we envisioned, isn't it? I'm glad to hear it can be pulled off.



(and I still stand by my proposed classification of S/Ls, trades, short works, proofs, miscellanea Wikis)


(but if the group decides another classification makes more sense, that's okay with me of course)

[Shannon]

Great news that there's a MOVE button!

Creating a new Index/Table Of Contents was destined to happen anyway. If/When we make the change, just put up a quick "Under Construction" banner for a day or two. :)

(I put every vote and opinion I have into the classification above. No one splits up their S/Ls die to country on their shelves, why do it in the Catalog?)

[jhanic]

I keep my UK signed limiteds separate from my US ones.

John

[olverts]

Me too ( but i only have one UK S/L ) :)

[Shannon]

Really? I understand splitting up US and UK First Editions, because there are so many of them. But splitting up US and UK S/Ls? There's only, what, about ten, UK S/L titles? That's like having a seperate section for Stephen King-related pop-up books, or giving the S/L audiobooks a shelf all to their own.

[carlosdetweiller]

I keep my UK signed limiteds separate from my US ones.


Me too. It only makes sense.

[Randall Flagg]

I keep my UK signed limiteds separate from my US ones.


Me too. It only makes sense.
So which of the three naming suggestions do you think is best-or do you have a different suggestion?

[carlosdetweiller]

I keep my UK signed limiteds separate from my US ones.


Me too. It only makes sense.
So which of the three naming suggestions do you think is best-or do you have a different suggestion?

I haven't followed the upthread discussion closely enough to know what naming suggestions you are referring to. I was just stating how I shelved/arranged my books and agreeing with jhanic.

[Shannon]

I remember a time when a lot of us also had a similiar discussion about me mixing the Richard Bachman and Dark Tower books in with the other Stephen King books, in chronological order.

It seems I am one of one, lol. I see things in types (US Trades, UK Trades, Signed/Limiteds) and I put things chronologically. Everyone else, it seems, does not. I'm cool with that, but with that being said, since I am the minority, I rescind my plea for the new Catalog structure to be the way I said above, lol.

[Randall Flagg]

I remember a time when a lot of us also had a similiar discussion about me mixing the Richard Bachman and Dark Tower books in with the other Stephen King books, in chronological order.

It seems I am one of one, lol. I see things in types (US Trades, UK Trades, Signed/Limiteds) and I put things chronologically. Everyone else, it seems, does not. I'm cool with that, but with that being said, since I am the minority, I rescind my plea for the new Catalog structure to be the way I said above, lol.
No decision has been made yet, so don"t rescind your idea-however...whatever way we choose, I doubt the listings will be chronological. Alphabetical seems the way to go.

[skyofcrack]

No decision has been made yet, so don"t rescind your idea-however...whatever way we choose, I doubt the listings will be chronological. Alphabetical seems the way to go.

I have to say, I don't like the alphabetical listings either. All the books are in my head from Carrie to 11/22/63 (or whatever is current). It's just easier to search chronologically for me. Either way, you'd have to guess which page is close to where you want to be.

Of course, in a perfect world, we would be able to have the list clickable to change from Alphabetical to Chronological as per each individual persons' choice.

[skyofcrack]

Actually, to add to my previous post. You can make it both Alphabetical and Chronological. Add a number to all the entries chronologically then add another sort function at the top to sort by Year (order). Like this:

01 - Carrie - Trade HC (1974).

You don't even need the numbers if you have the years but there will be more than one entry in some years.

[Shannon]

I wouldn't want them chronological in the Wiki. If I'm looking for something to do with Desperation, I don't want to have to remember what year it came out, what book it came after, etc.

Alphabetical is the way to go once you're IN THE SECTION. I'm just taking my ball and going home when it comes to my WHAT GOES IN EACH SECTION discussion. :)

You guys have to remember that when we enter something into the Wiki, that's pretty much just entering info. It doesn't matter the order. I'll tell you why.

Take a look at my Short Works section, it'll be unfinished/unpolished until I get a Table Of Contents sticky. The great thing about Crow-Man's Collectible Catalog is that it HAS a Table Of Contents. Direct links to the entries makes everything so much easier. As for the Table Of Contents, we can do an alphabetical one AND a chronological one because once the entries are made, they pretty much become destination for whatever links we choose to utilize them for.

[jhanic]

Before these discussions, I never knew there was a Table of Contents for the Collectibles Catalog. Thanks!

John

[Randall Flagg]

Before these discussions, I never knew there was a Table of Contents for the Collectibles Catalog. Thanks!

John
All that work and no advertising on our part. The table of contents (actually titled "Index Quick Links (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Test+Thread)") saves having to go through 13+ pages for an item.
I suggest everyone check it out-and is is alphabetical, just like an encyclopedia. BTW, the Complete List of Stephen King Signed Limiteds (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Complete+list+of+Stephen+King+S igned+Limiteds) is in chronological order and offers fast access as to when a King S/L was issued and what the count was.

[skyofcrack]

It's so easy to make all the listings both alphabetical AND chronological not one or the other. The headings are already there for sorting:

Title - Article Creator - Comments - Views - Last Post By

Just need to add: Date

As I said before, the only way this works is if all the entries have their correct release dates added.

A simple code change to add Date and then the gradual additions of dates to entries (XXXX).

[Merlin1958]

You guys are just AWESOME!!! Thanks so much for your time and effort!!!!


:clap::clap::clap:

[herbertwest]

Before these discussions, I never knew there was a Table of Contents for the Collectibles Catalog. Thanks!

John
All that work and no advertising on our part. The table of contents (actually titled "Index Quick Links (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Test+Thread)") saves having to go through 13+ pages for an item.
I suggest everyone check it out-and is is alphabetical, just like an encyclopedia. BTW, the Complete List of Stephen King Signed Limiteds (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Complete+list+of+Stephen+King+S igned+Limiteds) is in chronological order and offers fast access as to when a King S/L was issued and what the count was.

Like JHANIC, i thought that the table of contents was deleted

[Randall Flagg]

It's so easy to make all the listings both alphabetical AND chronological not one or the other. The headings are already there for sorting:

Title - Article Creator - Comments - Views - Last Post By

Just need to add: Date

As I said before, the only way this works is if all the entries have their correct release dates added.

A simple code change to add Date and then the gradual additions of dates to entries (XXXX).
It doesn't work as easy as that. Additionally, for many of King's early titles we only know the year of publication.

[skyofcrack]

It's so easy to make all the listings both alphabetical AND chronological not one or the other. The headings are already there for sorting:

Title - Article Creator - Comments - Views - Last Post By

Just need to add: Date

As I said before, the only way this works is if all the entries have their correct release dates added.

A simple code change to add Date and then the gradual additions of dates to entries (XXXX).
It doesn't work as easy as that. Additionally, for many of King's early titles we only know the year of publication.

Okay, so add the dates like this (XX/XX/XXXX)

As an example (from 1987), this is how these titles should sort chronologically by date.

Ideal Genuine Man, The - S/L (00/00/1987)
Eyes of the Dragon, The - Trade HC (02/02/1987)
Drawing of the Three, The (DT II) - S/L (05/00/1987)
Drawing of the Three, The (DT II) - Trade HC (05/00/1987)
Masques II - S/L (06/00/1987)
Misery - Trade HC (06/08/1987)
New Adventures of Sherlock Holmes, The - Trade HC (09/00/1987)
Tommyknockers, The - Trade HC (11/10/1987)

This is how these titles should sort alphabetically by title:

Drawing of the Three, The (DT II) - S/L (05/00/1987)
Drawing of the Three, The (DT II) - Trade HC (05/00/1987)
Eyes of the Dragon, The - Trade HC (02/02/1987)
Ideal Genuine Man, The - S/L (00/00/1987)
Masques II - S/L (06/00/1987)
Misery - Trade HC (06/08/1987)
New Adventures of Sherlock Holmes, The - Trade HC (09/00/1987)
Tommyknockers, The - Trade HC (11/10/1987)

[mae]

There's a scan of the handwritten note by King for the ARC of Gerald's Game: http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Geralds+Game+-+ARC&highlight=game

But I can't make anything out. Does anyone have a better quality scan, or just the text of it? I'm curious to read what it says, but not curious enough to look for a copy :)

[jhanic]

Dear Bookseller/Constant Reader,

Although I’ve been writing tales which have been
termed “horror stories” for about twenty years now, I
have very little idea, when I sit down to write, what scares
readers. I only know what scares me, and judged by
that yardstick, Gerald’s Game is my most successful
novel since The Shining. I visualized it in a dream
while on my way to the 1991 ABA in New York City. (I
was in an airplane, cruising along at 25,000 feet, and
nary a langolier in sight), and started it that very
evening. It was worth about three months of broken sleep
and bad dreams for me; I hope to pass them on
to you (and your customers).

I and the people at Viking wanted you to have
this special ABA edition of Gerald’s Game to say
thanks for all the good years and good times we’ve enjoyed
together. Your efforts on my behalf mean more than I could
ever say. So thanks and pleasant screams & dreams.

Stephen King

John

[mae]

Thanks!

[Randall Flagg]

It's so easy to make all the listings both alphabetical AND chronological not one or the other. The headings are already there for sorting:

Title - Article Creator - Comments - Views - Last Post By

Just need to add: Date

As I said before, the only way this works is if all the entries have their correct release dates added.

A simple code change to add Date and then the gradual additions of dates to entries (XXXX).
It doesn't work as easy as that. Additionally, for many of King's early titles we only know the year of publication.

Okay, so add the dates like this (XX/XX/XXXX)

As an example (from 1987), this is how these titles should sort chronologically by date.

Ideal Genuine Man, The - S/L (00/00/1987)
Eyes of the Dragon, The - Trade HC (02/02/1987)
Drawing of the Three, The (DT II) - S/L (05/00/1987)
Drawing of the Three, The (DT II) - Trade HC (05/00/1987)
Masques II - S/L (06/00/1987)
Misery - Trade HC (06/08/1987)
New Adventures of Sherlock Holmes, The - Trade HC (09/00/1987)
Tommyknockers, The - Trade HC (11/10/1987)

This is how these titles should sort alphabetically by title:

Drawing of the Three, The (DT II) - S/L (05/00/1987)
Drawing of the Three, The (DT II) - Trade HC (05/00/1987)
Eyes of the Dragon, The - Trade HC (02/02/1987)
Ideal Genuine Man, The - S/L (00/00/1987)
Masques II - S/L (06/00/1987)
Misery - Trade HC (06/08/1987)
New Adventures of Sherlock Holmes, The - Trade HC (09/00/1987)
Tommyknockers, The - Trade HC (11/10/1987)
Take a look at the bottom of the page. There is no sort by chonological date that is is the title itself.

[skyofcrack]

Take a look at the bottom of the page. There is no sort by chonological date that is is the title itself.

Yes, I know. For it to work it needs to be added by whomever does code for this site. It can't be that difficult to add one more sort function for Year.

This code can be edited to add the Date/Year function (perhaps something like what's in bold below):


<label for="sel_sort">Sort pages by:</label>

<select class="primary" id="sel_sort" name="sort">

<option value="title" selected="selected">Page Title</option>

<option value="year" selected="selected">Year Number</option>

<option value="lastpost" >Last Post Time</option>

<option value="dateline" >Page Start Time</option>

<option value="replycount" >Number of Comments</option>

<option value="views" >Number of Views</option>

<option value="postusername" >Article Creator</option>

<option value="voteavg" >Page Rating</option>

</select>

<p class="description">Allows you to choose the data by which the page list will be sorted.</p>

[Shannon]

I like the idea of adding another column if it is possible, but I don't know if you can edit the forum, it's by vBulletin, you know?

[biomieg]

Actually, it's a VaultWiki product (which is not free) that is integrated in the vBulletin forums and I'm not sure at all if you can change the code if you're 'only' an end user. Additionally (if I'm wrong Jerome will correct me), the site administrators use the vBulletin and VaultWiki software 'as is' and there is no additional true coding going on anyway.

By the way: I think it is a little confusing, but there are two ways of sorting the articles. On top of the page (right above the articles) you can click the column headers like Skyofcrack says (Title, Article Creator, etcetera) and it will sort the articles accordingly. On the bottom of the page there are various options under the 'Page display options' header.

We would have to ask the VaultWiki developers where to add an additional sorting option and how to implement it. Again, if I'm wrong Jerome will correct me.

[Shannon]

You lost me at VaultWiki ...

lol just kidding.

Sorting/adding the ability to sort can be figured out later, I think. The main focus right now should be if we should split up the Catalog into sections and if so, how.

[biomieg]

I agree. This did not stop me from posting this question on the VaultWiki forum, however. Their admin is the lead developer for the system and he answers all questions pretty quickly so I guess we'll find out soon enough!

*edit - I still stand by:


King Collectibles (maybe rename to King S/L Editions Catalog)
King Trade Editions
King Short Works
King Manuscripts/Proofs/ARCs
King Miscellanea


The purpose of the different Catalogs is to make information easily accessible for everyone (regardless of personal preference when it comes to shelving your books). Five Catalogs should be more than enough and I think we all agree that these are the basic subdivisions that every collector can relate to.

[Shannon]

As long as there are Tables Of Contents, we don't even NEED to move anything around. Just put everything in one big Wiki section, and then create a table of contents for each section, picking and choosing what items go in what. You get what I'm saying? People don't even NEED to go in the Wiki sections themselves, they can just go to the Table Of Contents, click on whatever they want, and go straight to the entries.

[Randall Flagg]

I am considering removing the Illustrations catalog. Thoughts?

[biomieg]

To be honest, it's a section I never really looked at. Maybe it's worth including the illustrations in the entries of the books themselves (in the Collectibles Catalog)?

[jhanic]

I feel the same as Michaël--I almost never look in that forum.

John