The eBay BS Game: Questionable items, Stephen King signatures, sellers

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Agreed.....FAKE

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[super sam]

Thanks for your opinions. I will contact the seller and let him know.

[lophophoras]

What do you guys think about this sig?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-From-a-Buick-8-Signed-1st-1st-Fine_W0QQitemZ170248801141QQihZ007QQcategoryZ29223 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Thanks!

[jhanic]

The "King" just doesn't look right to me, but I'm not sure.

John

[tippy4]

I think it is a good signature, but way overpriced.

[carlosdetweiller]

I think it is a good signature, but way overpriced.

The date "9/24/02" makes it worth more, though. IIRC that was the release date and King did a signing at some bookstore. Those were among the few copies signed on that date.

[tippy4]

Here is a seller with 18 "signed" King books.

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZcecman2003

I believe a couple of them may be real (The IT and maybe the Night Shift).

The Dark Half and Bag of Bones ARC are definitely fake.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

They are ALL fake. Stay clear.

[tippy4]

I dunno...that IT looks pretty good.

But given the fact the seller has some that are fakes...your advice is sound.

[Hutch]

Bob is correct it is the date to have for this book if lucky enough to find one signed and dated.



I think it is a good signature, but way overpriced.

The date "9/24/02" makes it worth more, though. IIRC that was the release date and King did a signing at some bookstore. Those were among the few copies signed on that date.

[Rahfa]

I dunno...that IT looks pretty good.


Nah...it looks good at first, but it's fake too...I've seen that inscription before, and it doesn't look like that...

I wonder if the seller bought all these over time and actually thinks they're real? There are a lot of variations on the fake sigs...

[Bookman_Jayhawk]

Hello-I am brand new to this forum and found you by the magic of Google. I started investigating a particular eBay seller after I received what I was certain a fake Caleb Carr signature on a 1st edition of The Alienist. I started digging around and found that the seller in question is the same person that came under heavy scrutiny from this forum last year. (renaissance_auctions) now selling under the user name (fire-horse-books) also took a turn with the user name (wandeingrwriter1966). I have contacted the seller and asked for approval to return the book for a refund but I feel an obligation to forget about the $50 I wasted on this book and report her to eBay. Any advice?
By the way, the seller does have a signed Stephen King listed.
(Stephen King Insomnia Collectors Edition 1st 1st SIGNED)-eBay item #370076500852

[jhanic]

Welcome, Bookman. Did you pay via Paypal or credit card? If you did, then contest the charge as soon as possible. This may save you some money. I would not count on their accepting a return.

The signature on the Insomnia (in one of the Stephen King Collector's Library faux red leather bindings) MAY be okay, but, given the seller's history, I would avoid it like the plague.

Feel free to contribute any time!

John

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Need some help here with this guy:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250284022459


I tried to be nice and help this Ebayer understand how to tell a First Edition, what to look for, etc. His responses are very rude.

Don't be mean to him/her but please use the contact seller on the auctions they've posted and ask the price of the dust jackets, does it say First Edition and so on.

He responded to one person and told them it is a First Edition. He won't answer the questions on dust jacket price or clearly stated First Edition on copyright page on his Carrie, Night Shift, Salem's Lot, etc. :arg:

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[e_taylor]

Need some help here with this guy:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250284022459


I tried to be nice and help this Ebayer understand how to tell a First Edition, what to look for, etc. His responses are very rude.

Don't be mean to him/her but please use the contact seller on the auctions they've posted and ask the price of the dust jackets, does it say First Edition and so on.

He responded to one person and told them it is a First Edition. He won't answer the questions on dust jacket price or clearly stated First Edition on copyright page on his Carrie, Night Shift, Salem's Lot, etc. :arg:

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

I don't bother trying to help people anymore. I find most of them end up knowing full well that they are selling crap. If this is the guy I think it is (although I'm not 100% sure), he was selling a "first edition" of the Dead Zone that wasn't. I kindly pointed out that it wasn't a first, and that he might want to inform the lone bidder before accepting payment, just so he doesn't end up with an upset buyer. He responded with something along the lines of, "Its a first edition for book club members, but is still technically a first edition. Are you bidding? Didn't think so. Mind your own damn business."

[Randall Flagg]

I don't even waste my time trying to "help" these type of sellers. :pullhair:

[The Lady of Shadows]

Need some help here with this guy:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250284022459


I tried to be nice and help this Ebayer understand how to tell a First Edition, what to look for, etc. His responses are very rude.

Don't be mean to him/her but please use the contact seller on the auctions they've posted and ask the price of the dust jackets, does it say First Edition and so on.

He responded to one person and told them it is a First Edition. He won't answer the questions on dust jacket price or clearly stated First Edition on copyright page on his Carrie, Night Shift, Salem's Lot, etc. :arg:

Mulleins
Cumberland VA


it says the bidding is over and no bids were taken. he doesn't appear to have any other books listed right now.

[Bev Vincent]

Here's the 21st century high-tech solution to fake autographs: video autographs (http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9595_22-216370.html)

[The Lady of Shadows]

oh for fuck's sake. if stephen king ever does this i'm out. ><

[Ricky]

That's a rather old contest...I entered it. On the autograph site that I belong to (www.movieeye.com) they ran the contest joined with Live Autographs. Needless to say, I didn't win. :)

[jhanic]

At least whoever buys this won't be out TOO much money!

"Signed" Dreamcatcher (http://cgi.ebay.com/Dreamcatcher-by-Stephen-King-1ST-ED-SIGNED-NICE_W0QQitemZ310077431872QQihZ021QQcategoryZ377QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

John

[Ricky]

I swear, some of those eBay dealers must think we're half retarded or something.

[jhanic]

I predict that book will sell within a day.

John

[Ricky]

I predict that you're dead-on. For every idiotic seller, there's an idiotic buyer.

[The Lady of Shadows]

hey. i am not an idiot! :lol:

[Bev Vincent]

Flatsigned celebrates itself (http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/bookpatrol/archives/146864.asp?from=blog_last3)

[jhanic]

Thanks VERY much for posting that link, Bev. It's great! It truly reflects how most of us here feel.

John

[jhanic]

Well, the "Signed" Dreamcatcher ended with a BIN. The winner (?) was:

mosesmcgee

Poor sucker!!

John

[gsvec]

Thanks for that link, Bev - the NERVE of that guy!! :pullhair: I wonder if Steve's office is aware of this quote from his press release


Miller has worked directly with Ray Bradbury, Harper Lee, Stephen King, John Grisham, Vincent Bugliosi, Larry McMurtry, Dan Brown, General Hal Moore, Joe Galloway, William Goldman, John Irving, Wilbur Smith, James Lee Burke, Joseph Wambaugh, Sue Grafton, Anne Rice, Tim O'Brien, Nicholas Sparks, H. G. Bissinger, and E. Annie Proulx.

That has to be an outright lie, right? Grrrr...... :arg:

[jhanic]

Gretchen, it's very possible that he worked with King. Underwood Miller published Fear Itself: The Horror Fiction of Stephen King back in 1982.

John

[gsvec]

Good point, John - I'd kinda forgotten about all the Underwood-Miller books. Thanks for setting me straight!

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Gretchen, it's very possible that he worked with King. Underwood Miller published Fear Itself: The Horror Fiction of Stephen King back in 1982.

John

I thought Miller of FlatSigned was Tim Miller. Underwood-Miller publishing was Tim Underwood & Chuck Miller

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[gsvec]

You're right! THAT'S why it didn't click!

[jhanic]

Correction noted. I always just assumed that Tim Miller was the one associated with Underwood-Miller. Maybe someone should notify King's office of "Flatsigned"s posting.

John

[turtlex]

What's the story with Flatsigned?

I have seen some of their stuff up on eBay, and added it to my watch list - only to then get a notice that the seller had ended the sale early ( NOT with a Buy It Now ). This has happened a couple of times. Weird.

[e_taylor]

What's the story with Flatsigned?

I have seen some of their stuff up on eBay, and added it to my watch list - only to then get a notice that the seller had ended the sale early ( NOT with a Buy It Now ). This has happened a couple of times. Weird.

I haven't had too much contact with him, but in my experience he's extremely aggressive on sales. His prices are usually 200%+ above market value - I remember I asked a question through abebooks about whether or not he'd accept a market value offer on one of his books and he told me he'd take 10% off (I think it was the SGN/LTD Insomnia WITHOUT the tray case, making his "discount" price still over $600). I replied saying thanks but no thanks, and thats when the aggressive emails and spam came flying - a minimum of two emails per day plus invoices for a solid two weeks. Based on that experience, I don't think I'd buy from him.

[turtlex]

What's the story with Flatsigned?

I have seen some of their stuff up on eBay, and added it to my watch list - only to then get a notice that the seller had ended the sale early ( NOT with a Buy It Now ). This has happened a couple of times. Weird.

I haven't had too much contact with him, but in my experience he's extremely aggressive on sales. His prices are usually 200%+ above market value - I remember I asked a question through abebooks about whether or not he'd accept a market value offer on one of his books and he told me he'd take 10% off (I think it was the SGN/LTD Insomnia WITHOUT the tray case, making his "discount" price still over $600). I replied saying thanks but no thanks, and thats when the aggressive emails and spam came flying - a minimum of two emails per day plus invoices for a solid two weeks. Based on that experience, I don't think I'd buy from him.

I appreciate you sharing your experience. Thanks!

[jhanic]

Many of his "signatures" are suspect, too.

John

[Rahfa]

I have sold a few books to Flatsigned and I have to say he was pretty easy to deal with, and he paid more than market value...I'm not sure I bought from him, but I might have.

But...his ebay auctions are always sketchy...he lists dozens of books, has bids that are out of whack with reality...and his Abebooks account gives him a very small fulfillment rate. So who knows what's going on.

[Fsmdr]

What is up with this listing?. An unsigned Blaze sold for $350?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Blaze-by-Stephen-King-2007_W0QQitemZ130249369901QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 130249369901&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A13%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

[gsvec]

What is up with this listing?. An unsigned Blaze sold for $350?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Blaze-by-Stephen-King-2007_W0QQitemZ130249369901QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 130249369901&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A13%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

I don't get it :unsure:

[jhanic]

There has to be something we don't know. This is just crazy! The buyer has loads of feedback, so it's not like he's new or anything.

John

[gsvec]

Maybe the buyer sent a message to the seller and asked why it was so expensive and was told it was signed or something? Buyer bought it so the listing wasn't updated?

[jhanic]

That makes sense!

John

[gsvec]

Of course that'd be a real DOH on the seller's part! :lol:

[Fsmdr]

If it was signed, that would make it really valuable. I've never seen a signed Blaze before.

[shibus]

Well then, Here you go.....

http://usera.imagecave.com/shibus/bls.JPG

[Patrick]

Nice, Shibus.

The thing about the listing is that the seller says they bought it new and never opened it. It doesn't sound like the listing of someone who simply forgot to mention a signature when creating the ad. :orely:

[Rahfa]

There has to be something we don't know. This is just crazy! The buyer has loads of feedback, so it's not like he's new or anything.

John


The only thing I can figure is his account got hacked and somebody just used it to end a bunch of buy-it-now auctions...the buyer's feedback doesn't have any SK items, or even very expensive items that I noticed...very odd...

[tippy4]

And here is another.

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5228/picture066ao9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Other than mine (and now Greg's) I have never seen a signed copy of Blaze before either.

[e_taylor]

I give it until the end of today for some new eBay auction to pop up trying to sell Blaze at the "discount price" of $250! I mean c'mon people, this book sells for over $350!

[sentinel]

Well, there's at least three because I have one too.:)

[carlosdetweiller]

Flatsigned celebrates itself (http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/bookpatrol/archives/146864.asp?from=blog_last3)

Interesting followup by noted bookseller Peter Stern. Good stuff!

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/bookpatrol/archives/146961.asp

[gsvec]

Flatsigned celebrates itself (http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/bookpatrol/archives/146864.asp?from=blog_last3)

Interesting followup by noted bookseller Peter Stern. Good stuff!

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/bookpatrol/archives/146961.asp

I absolutely LOVE that, Bob! Thanks for posting the follow-up on that scum sucking maggot. :D

[Matt]

If it was signed, that would make it really valuable. I've never seen a signed Blaze before.

Tippy has one :lol:

<--had it signed for him at Three Kings

EDIT--oops, he got in there.

[Rahfa]

Here's a long and somewhat jumbled Flatsigned related thread on a newgroup...dates back to 2001!

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.collecting.books/browse_thread/thread/78bac8d28302c93d/65b6937cd02752be

It's not King related or anything...but it is a good flame war captured for posterity...haha..

[carlosdetweiller]

Here is a forgery.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-SIGNED-1st-UK-EDITION-MISERY_W0QQitemZ180282284493QQihZ008QQcategoryZ292 23QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[tippy4]

See, now I thought it looked pretty good.

Good thing I don't collect UK editions!

[The Lady of Shadows]

Here is a forgery.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-SIGNED-1st-UK-EDITION-MISERY_W0QQitemZ180282284493QQihZ008QQcategoryZ292 23QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


okay, this is an excellent time for me to learn because i think it looks real. not like some of the ones i can tell right away are forgeries. so what is wrong with it? how can you tell it's a forgery? will you teach a youngling? thankya big-big.

[Randall Flagg]

Here is a forgery.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-SIGNED-1st-UK-EDITION-MISERY_W0QQitemZ180282284493QQihZ008QQcategoryZ292 23QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


okay, this is an excellent time for me to learn because i think it looks real. not like some of the ones i can tell right away are forgeries. so what is wrong with it? how can you tell it's a forgery? will you teach a youngling? thankya big-big.
In this particular instance (IMO) the "B" in "Be well" is not a SK "B". Additionally the "S" in Stephen is incorrect.
Just my thoughts. I'd love to hear what made Bob determine this as a fake.

[Hutch]

Here is a forgery.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-SIGNED-1st-UK-EDITION-MISERY_W0QQitemZ180282284493QQihZ008QQcategoryZ292 23QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


okay, this is an excellent time for me to learn because i think it looks real. not like some of the ones i can tell right away are forgeries. so what is wrong with it? how can you tell it's a forgery? will you teach a youngling? thankya big-big.

Gosh this is a tough one to answer. Often the forgeries are fairly obvious and it's easy to pin point to the faults. As an avid collector, I can say that sometimes a signature just doesn't feel right. I know I'm entering a gray area when I say that. It doesn't happen very often ...but it does happen.

My mantra in obtaining signatures for my personal collection has always been when in doubt, throw it out.

Over the years many collectors have sent images and links to some of these more difficult signatures asking for my opinion. One reply I send for the more difficult evaluations is that " I wouldn't be proud to put it into my collection". Often these words alone help settle the doubt the collector who sent them to me had when the asked for my help.

There are a couple of problems I see in this one I don't like. I don't like anything in " King " and the length and shape of the loop that crosses the " t " in Stephen unsettles me a bit.

The not so obvious evaluations are usually based on experience and trying to match the apparent era of the signature in question to examples of authentic King signatures going back nearly 40 years. His signature has changed quite a bit during that time.

For example you may be surprised how often I'll see a 1982 style signature in a 2002 title. An impossibility.

My advice to anyone collecting signed books ...don't hesitate in asking for outside opinions. Do your homework ! Always side with caution. I've seen too many collectors get burned for thousands of dollars from supposedly trustworthy booksellers.

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Here is a forgery.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-SIGNED-1st-UK-EDITION-MISERY_W0QQitemZ180282284493QQihZ008QQcategoryZ292 23QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


okay, this is an excellent time for me to learn because i think it looks real. not like some of the ones i can tell right away are forgeries. so what is wrong with it? how can you tell it's a forgery? will you teach a youngling? thankya big-big.

Gosh this is a tough one to answer. Often the forgeries are fairly obvious and it's easy to pin point the faults. As an avid collector, I can say that sometimes a signature just doesn't feel right. I know I'm entering a gray area when I say that. It doesn't happen very often ...but it does happen.

My mantra for obtaining signatures for my personal collection has always been when in doubt, throw it out.

Over the years many collectors have sent images and links to some of these more difficult signatures asking for my opinion. One reply I send for the more difficult evaluations is that " I wouldn't be proud to put it into my collection". Often these words alone help settle the doubt the collector who sent them to me had when the asked for my help.

There are a couple of items I see in this one I don't like. I don't like anything in " King " and the length of the loop that crosses the " t " in Stephen unsettles me a bit.

The not so obvious evaluations are usually based on experience and trying to match the apparent era of the signature in question to examples of authentic King signatures going back nearly 40 years. And his signature has changed quite a bit during that time.

For example you'd may be surprised how often I'll see a 1982 style signature in a 2002 title. An impossibility.

My advice to anyone collecting signed books ...don't hesitate in asking for outside opinions. Do your homework ! Always side with caution. I've seen too many collectors get burned for thousands of dollars from supposedly trustworthy booksellers.

Well said Hutch. Well said.

This signature raised two red flags with me.

The loop seems to stop, and take off again. King normally does this in one motion

I don't know why, but the S bothers me as well.

Like Hutch said, if you’re not sure, and full of doubt, don't pull your money out.

Mulleins

Cumberland VA

[turtlex]

All - I just want to send out a big thanks for sharing all your knowledge and insight. I think I've been "saved" a couple of times from buying suspect and overpriced items, by hanging out ( okay, yeah, lurking ) in this forum and by posting and getting great responses.

Thanks to everyone.

[Rahfa]

It looks off, that's for sure...but the seller (Tinah) is a pretty long time collector...have a hard time believing she (?) would deliberately sell a forgery, and we don't know the provenance...

The problem is it might be real, and this seller could even prove it's real...but that may or may not do a new buyer any good if they were to try and sell it down the road...it would still end up looking fake.

It could have been signed at a rushed encounter...but even then I really don't like the 'G.'

[carlosdetweiller]

It looks off, that's for sure...but the seller (Tinah) is a pretty long time collector...have a hard time believing she (?) would deliberately sell a forgery, and we don't know the provenance...

The problem is it might be real, and this seller could even prove it's real...but that may or may not do a new buyer any good if they were to try and sell it down the road...it would still end up looking fake.

It could have been signed at a rushed encounter...but even then I really don't like the 'G.'

It's a forgery. Even long time collectors can get taken in. I know I have.

[wizardsrainbow]

me as well. I have either 3 or 4 forged sigs among my 400 or so books which at the time I took to be genuine. Granted, they were bought early in my collecting history and a couple are quite laughable! :doh:

Still, as has been said several times here, if you are not confortable for ANY reason with the sig, just don't buy it.

Case in point, there was a signed UK SoS first edition up on the UK eBay site a couple weeks ago. A book that I desperately want to own, but there was just a hint of something that didn't make me love it, and Hutch thought it suspect as well, so I begrudgingly walked away. It's hard, but you have to do it.

[Rahfa]

Definitley...I've been hit twice...actually you saying that reminds me that when I listed a bunch of books a few years ago, one of them was a forgery that I actually thought was legit, but CallaWolf questioned it...upon further review I'm pretty sure it was traced...

It at least looked good to me...but I wasn't objective either...

With so many legit limited editions to choose from, that's where my money's been going lately! Haha...

[Patrick]

All - I just want to send out a big thanks for sharing all your knowledge and insight. I think I've been "saved" a couple of times from buying suspect and overpriced items, by hanging out ( okay, yeah, lurking ) in this forum and by posting and getting great responses.

Thanks to everyone.
Turtlex, we're glad to have you participating in the forum. I agree with you, there is a wealth of knowledge in the heads of these members. I'm learning all the time from these guys.

[carlosdetweiller]

Here is a forgery.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-SIGNED-1st-UK-EDITION-MISERY_W0QQitemZ180282284493QQihZ008QQcategoryZ292 23QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

tinah3 adds another clunker to her lineup.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-SIGNED-1990-EDITION-of-SALEMS-LOT_W0QQitemZ180282616361QQihZ008QQcategoryZ29223Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[jhanic]

That one IS terrible! I don't know how she can think it's real.

John

[lophophoras]

That one IS terrible! I don't know how she can think it's real.

John


LOL... Maybe that is why she is trying to get rid of it?


:orely:

[turtlex]

I'm headed to Maine on vacation and hope to be able to stop by Betts Books for a look around. Hoping to maybe get something but not sure. I understand they're good folks and I shouldn't have to worry about a signture there, yes?

[Room 217 Caretaker]

I'm headed to Maine on vacation and hope to be able to stop by Betts Books for a look around. Hoping to maybe get something but not sure. I understand they're good folks and I shouldn't have to worry about a signture there, yes?

Correct. You don't have to worry about anything Stu sells.

Call Stu and let him know your arrival dates. 207-947-7052

Fantastic people to meet.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[Rahfa]

That one IS terrible! I don't know how she can think it's real.

John

Yeah, I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt on the first one...but come on...

She's asking such big money for it...if it's an obvious fake, you'd think the seller would just want to unload it, not try for top dollar (for a book that wouldn't be worth that much if was real)...so maybe she doesn't know...stranger things have happened.

I believe I will not bid...haha...

[wizardsrainbow]

Anybody got the kahoonas to challenge her?

[Brice]

Yes, I absolutely do. :lol: How would I go about that?

[Rahfa]

Yes, I absolutely do. :lol: How would I go about that?


Just ask her where she got them in the first place...say they look a little sketchy. No reason to be confrontational....frankly, her starting bid is so high, I doubt it will sell anyway.

I would ask her, but honestly the last couple times I've gotten such spiteful replies, I don;t feel like bothering...if I'd bought or sold her something, it would be different.

[Brice]

Yes, I absolutely do. :lol: How would I go about that?


Just ask her where she got them in the first place...say they look a little sketchy. No reason to be confrontational....frankly, her starting bid is so high, I doubt it will sell anyway.

I would ask her, but honestly the last couple times I've gotten such spiteful replies, I don;t feel like bothering...if I'd bought or sold her something, it would be different.

I'll do it. :)


And I wouldn't be confrontational...unless she gets too spiteful. Maybe I wouldn't even then.

[turtlex]

I'm headed to Maine on vacation and hope to be able to stop by Betts Books for a look around. Hoping to maybe get something but not sure. I understand they're good folks and I shouldn't have to worry about a signture there, yes?

Correct. You don't have to worry about anything Stu sells.

Call Stu and let him know your arrival dates. 207-947-7052

Fantastic people to meet.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

Not sure the day I'm going to be there - but sure am looking forward to going.

Thanks for the advice, good to know good people.

[Rahfa]

Yes, I absolutely do. :lol: How would I go about that?


Just ask her where she got them in the first place...say they look a little sketchy. No reason to be confrontational....frankly, her starting bid is so high, I doubt it will sell anyway.

I would ask her, but honestly the last couple times I've gotten such spiteful replies, I don;t feel like bothering...if I'd bought or sold her something, it would be different.

I'll do it. :)


And I wouldn't be confrontational...unless she gets too spiteful. Maybe I wouldn't even then.

Haha...yeah, I know what you mean...I'll be really interested in her reply (if any) only because she IS a legit collector...so it'll be curious to see whether she admits they might be fake, or if she gets defensive, or if she seems to reasonably believe and have some sort of evidence (that convinced her, if not us) that they are real.

I dunno...I might ask her too...feels hypocritical not to...haha...

[Hutch]

Here is a forgery.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-SIGNED-1st-UK-EDITION-MISERY_W0QQitemZ180282284493QQihZ008QQcategoryZ292 23QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

tinah3 adds another clunker to her lineup.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-SIGNED-1990-EDITION-of-SALEMS-LOT_W0QQitemZ180282616361QQihZ008QQcategoryZ29223Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I don't know. To me it looks more like one of those sloppy on-the-run paparazzi signatures. For me it falls into the " wouldn't be proud to own it " category.

[CRinVA]

Once I looked at the second sig my thoughts mirror Hutch's. I say this only becaseu for many years I have thoguht of Tinah as a legit and honest collector. I know she is unloading her collection and has been for quite some time in order to pay for kids coleege or somethign like that. thinking that she is legit I immediatley thought this might be one of those "I snagged King's signature as he was walking" and that is why it is so "ugly' in the first place! :-)

Bottom Line - "Caveat Emptor"

I'd pass but mostly because that particular book does nothing for me and her price is for the signature and that is way too high - you can buy legit King Sigs at a lot lower than that! :-)

[The Lady of Shadows]

Here is a forgery.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-SIGNED-1st-UK-EDITION-MISERY_W0QQitemZ180282284493QQihZ008QQcategoryZ292 23QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

tinah3 adds another clunker to her lineup.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-SIGNED-1990-EDITION-of-SALEMS-LOT_W0QQitemZ180282616361QQihZ008QQcategoryZ29223Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


okay, now this one i would have said was a fake right off the bat. but it's almost too fake to be a fake, you know what i mean? so what's the final consensus?

[carlosdetweiller]

Here is a forgery.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-SIGNED-1st-UK-EDITION-MISERY_W0QQitemZ180282284493QQihZ008QQcategoryZ292 23QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

tinah3 adds another clunker to her lineup.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-SIGNED-1990-EDITION-of-SALEMS-LOT_W0QQitemZ180282616361QQihZ008QQcategoryZ29223Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I don't know. To me it looks more like one of those sloppy on-the-run paparazzi signatures. For me it falls into the " wouldn't be proud to own it " category.

Maybe.....but the "Stephen" does not look rushed so why should the "King" be? I think a lot of people are giving her the benefit of the doubt because she is not an habitual seller of forgeries. And that's fine. But if one of the usual suspects such as frankfinders offered these same books up for sale I think it would be a different story.

These two books have forged signatures, IMO.

Her listing for a signed copy of THE STAND has bad picture links and is showing the same signature as in the 'SALEM'S LOT auction. I have alerted her to this and hopefully she will post pics accordingly. Let's see if she can hit the trifecta!

[The Lady of Shadows]

Here is a forgery.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-SIGNED-1st-UK-EDITION-MISERY_W0QQitemZ180282284493QQihZ008QQcategoryZ292 23QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

tinah3 adds another clunker to her lineup.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-SIGNED-1990-EDITION-of-SALEMS-LOT_W0QQitemZ180282616361QQihZ008QQcategoryZ29223Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I don't know. To me it looks more like one of those sloppy on-the-run paparazzi signatures. For me it falls into the " wouldn't be proud to own it " category.

i sent an email and asked if s/he would provide me with the provenance of the item. also, the details about the circumstances under which king signed it (when and where). i'm just interested.

[carlosdetweiller]

Her listing for a signed copy of THE STAND has bad picture links and is showing the same signature as in the 'SALEM'S LOT auction. I have alerted her to this and hopefully she will post pics accordingly. Let's see if she can hit the trifecta!

She fixed the link and now this one looks OK.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-SIGNED-1990-EDITION-of-THE-STAND_W0QQitemZ180282635900QQihZ008QQcategoryZ2922 3QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[The Lady of Shadows]

this is what she emailed me about the 'salem's lot auction:


No provenance provided, sorry - I've rec'd many such pieces of paper and some were quite worthless. I'd advise not taking a piece of paper as authenticity. They are only as good as the seller's reputation. I have no idea when he signed it, as I collected this from someone else a long time ago. For additional verification of authenticity (other than my 100% feedback in collectible King items), I refer anyone not familiar with me to the experts who know me and what I sell. You can contact Stu at Betts Books (online - Bettsbooks.com) or Roy at BadMoonBooks.com. These King experts will help with verification if needed. They know me and my solid reputation as a seller. I have earned my reputation and have many repeat buyers of high-end King items. I hope that you will be one of them! Rest assured that my products are authentic (but when in doubt, check it out!). Thanks for writing!
Cheers,
Tina

[Patrick]

And there you have it. She has no idea where it came from. That's too bad. I hoping for a really good story about how he started signing it and then had to run to catch a bus.

[wizardsrainbow]

A) signature, even if legit, is messed up and as Hutch says "would not be proud to have it in my collection."

B) Tinah's prices are WAY inflated

C) Move on

[gsvec]

Huh? Did I miss something or is this legit? Somebody just bind the web version or something?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190247777365&indexURL=2#ebayphotohosting

[Randall Flagg]

Huh? Did I miss something or is this legit? Somebody just bind the web version or something?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190247777365&indexURL=2#ebayphotohosting
It looks cool to me. I bid $1:P

[gsvec]

It looks cool to me. I bid $1:P

:lol: Can't wait to see if the seller accepts that generous offer!!

[The Lady of Shadows]

Huh? Did I miss something or is this legit? Somebody just bind the web version or something?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190247777365&indexURL=2#ebayphotohosting
It looks cool to me. I bid $1:P



It looks cool to me. I bid $1:P

:lol: Can't wait to see if the seller accepts that generous offer!!

s/he won't. s/he will accept my even more generous offer of $2.00! sorry r.f. but it looks like a bidding war! :lol:

[Room 217 Caretaker]

It's time to crank up...... Let's Play Ebay BS:

Our new contestant vinyljeopardy :clap: COME ON DOWN

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Dreamcatcher-SIGNED-1st-Edition_W0QQitemZ130251509405QQihZ003QQcategoryZ37 7QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

:rock: OK DT members. You set the meter on this beauty.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[jhanic]

Yechh!

John

[gsvec]

A sharpie on the title page? Doubtful . . .

[Ricky]

That's just embarassing. :wtf:

[gsvec]

And more BS from our 2nd contestant today!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150288762746&indexURL=3#ebayphotohosting

[gsvec]

But our 3rd is definitely today's winner and has been reported to eBay. Grrr... :angry:

http://cgi.ebay.com/SIGNED-VINTAGE-STEPHEN-KING-SKELETON-CREW-HC-BOOK-1985_W0QQitemZ110284597938QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 110284597938&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A3%7C65%3A15%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

[jhanic]

Those are all terrible, and reported (not that it seems to do any good that I've been able to see.)

John

[Patrick]

Those last two are especially bad.

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Pure BS signature

http://cgi.ebay.com/The-Diary-of-Ellen-Rimbauer-2002-Signed-Stephen-King_W0QQitemZ250291756259QQihZ015QQcategoryZ377QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosti ng

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[Randall Flagg]

Pure BS signature

http://cgi.ebay.com/The-Diary-of-Ellen-Rimbauer-2002-Signed-Stephen-King_W0QQitemZ250291756259QQihZ015QQcategoryZ377QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosti ng

Mulleins
Cumberland VA
Pretty bad.

[herbertwest]

i wonder WHY King would sign that....
I mean... it's not his book, it's Ridley Pearson's...

A second reason for being a fake?

[The Lady of Shadows]

Pure BS signature

http://cgi.ebay.com/The-Diary-of-Ellen-Rimbauer-2002-Signed-Stephen-King_W0QQitemZ250291756259QQihZ015QQcategoryZ377QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosti ng

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

reported. and i also sent an email to ebay asking them if all these reports do any good at all and what it takes to actually get an auction pulled. not that i expect a response. :nope:

[lophophoras]

Here is one :

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-signed-Rose-Madder-hardback_W0QQitemZ180288022255QQihZ008QQcategoryZ1 4433QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I can't say that I have seen a SK book signed on the outside hardcover under the dustjacket before.

:orely:

[jhanic]

This is one that was posted over on skfakes.co.uk by kieron. As that posting says, it's a real rarity! The Uncut Stand signed 10 years before its publication!

Rarity! (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-SIGNED-STEPHEN-KING-THE-STAND-and-THE-STAND-UNCUT_W0QQitemZ260285875381QQihZ016QQcategoryZ2922 3QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

John

[CRinVA]

gee this guy has a 0 feedback rating and starts off with an obvious goof up - gee even if the sig looked legit the date things effs it all up big time! :excited:

[jhanic]

Bob, if you'll note, the zero feedback is a result of a name change, not a new seller.

John

[Clacke]

This is one that was posted over on skfakes.co.uk by kieron. As that posting says, it's a real rarity! The Uncut Stand signed 10 years before its publication!

Rarity! (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-SIGNED-STEPHEN-KING-THE-STAND-and-THE-STAND-UNCUT_W0QQitemZ260285875381QQihZ016QQcategoryZ2922 3QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

John

:lol: Ok, you can close this thread down now. That's the best ever! The hands-down winner!:rofl:

[agrabin]

This is one that was posted over on skfakes.co.uk by kieron. As that posting says, it's a real rarity! The Uncut Stand signed 10 years before its publication!

Rarity! (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-SIGNED-STEPHEN-KING-THE-STAND-and-THE-STAND-UNCUT_W0QQitemZ260285875381QQihZ016QQcategoryZ2922 3QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

John

The seller says that the 2 books were signed and dated together but he/she couldn't even get that right.

[e_taylor]

This is one that was posted over on skfakes.co.uk by kieron. As that posting says, it's a real rarity! The Uncut Stand signed 10 years before its publication!

Rarity! (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-SIGNED-STEPHEN-KING-THE-STAND-and-THE-STAND-UNCUT_W0QQitemZ260285875381QQihZ016QQcategoryZ2922 3QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

John

The seller says that the 2 books were signed and dated together but he/she couldn't even get that right.

I'm pretty sure the 1978 Stand is also a BCE, to add injury to insult.

[Rahfa]

I emailed him and said I hoped his great-uncle also bequeathed him the secret to time travel...and that I'm going to Vegas and wondered if he had any hot tips for me...

[wizardsrainbow]

I emailed him and said I hoped his great-uncle also bequeathed him the secret to time travel...and that I'm going to Vegas and wondered if he had any hot tips for me...

:rofl:

[e_taylor]

haha something happened to the listing, its now starting at $1, has the title "bbbb" and no pictures. That is unless my browsers screwed up!:panic:

[jhanic]

The listing has ended.

John

[Rahfa]

Check it out...maybe not a scumbag after all...I guess some people just don't know. Or...he realized he was caught and is just skating away from trouble...who knows.

"Dear rahfa,

I feel SOOOO STUPID!!! Thank you so much! I'm a novice ebayer and I don't
know much about books.I never would have thought that he would have a fake
signed book.Maybe all the books are garbage,I don't know.I was so excited!
Anyway, thanks again!!!

-theoriginalconquistador"

[jhanic]

Sounds sincere to me. Too bad he didn't do his homework BEFORE he posted the listing.

John

[Patrick]

A novice eBayer? But I thought the zero was due to a name change? I'm confused.

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Here we go again:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Stephen-King-Book-Drawing-of-The-Three_W0QQitemZ250294733875QQihZ015QQcategoryZ377Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This guy is a real dufus.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[jhanic]

Turtlesong has been trying to get a scan or picture of the "mistaken" dust jacket but without success (I've been helping--the seller doesn't know how to email a picture and has been sending the shortcut instead of the picture in a zip file that turtlesong can't open.) We've tried to tell the seller that the standard dust jacket is the same, but she won't listen.

John

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Here we go again:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Stephen-King-Book-Drawing-of-The-Three_W0QQitemZ250294733875QQihZ015QQcategoryZ377Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This guy is a real dufus.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA



I've told her the same thing. I have five copies and all say the same thing. For some reason she thinks the back jacket flap advertisement is a mistake.

[herbertwest]

not a bullshit, but just some "illegal" sales according to me.

Ebay # 320298590950.
It's a french seller which sells PDF files of The Plant.

According to me it's illegal (not that it is a lot of money), but the ebayer already have sold two of those, and in theory, he could sell an infinite number as PDF are not limited....

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Here we go again:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Stephen-King-Book-Drawing-of-The-Three_W0QQitemZ250294733875QQihZ015QQcategoryZ377Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This guy is a real dufus.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA



I've told her the same thing. I have five copies and all say the same thing. For some reason she thinks the back jacket flap advertisement is a mistake.

Here's the response:

Thanks for the info. But Stephen King books do not have advertisment. Take look at his other books. The flaps always have a description about the author or the book itself. I went to a book store. I had it checked out by them. So you have four or them. You might want to check it out where you are. You know there were onlty 30,000 copies of this edition. Thanks, Bob

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[Brice]

For what it's worth (nothing???) I sent the following message to this seller:


Do you realize that ALL Grant books (the publisher) have an advertisement of some sort for other Grant books on the rear flap where a picture and author bio normally are? While the book is slightly rare it is worth no more than a third of what you are charging. And I'm not trying to trick you. I already have this in my collection, so I won't be bidding even if you should choose to change your auction. This is only intended to help. :)

[Room 217 Caretaker]

No reason to report this guy through Ebay because he clearly states he's not sure of the signatures but, looking out for our newbie collectors here, STAY CLEAR OF THIS GUY:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Signed-Song-of-Susannah-1st-1st-Hardcover_W0QQitemZ290260761413QQihZ019QQcategoryZ 29223QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[jhanic]

There was just a posting on the skfakes bulletin board regarding this same seller's copy of Carrie, which is also signed. This signature looks okay, but I'm just not sure. I'm also not sure if it's really a first, either.

Signed Carrie (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290260759015)

John

[Ricky]

The STEPHEN looks terribly fake. The KING looks fine. However, the date doesn't look right. In King's old and newer signatures, he kind of does his dates on a slight slant. This one looks too vertical.

[e_taylor]

There was just a posting on the skfakes bulletin board regarding this same seller's copy of Carrie, which is also signed. This signature looks okay, but I'm just not sure. I'm also not sure if it's really a first, either.

Signed Carrie (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290260759015)

John

I think he might be a fraud, if you look at his recent feedback, he's sold a number of "signed" copies, many of the same titles he's listing now, and many with the same story.

[Ves'Ka Gan]

I don't know if this counts as BS or not, but the price seems steep, as I bought two copies of this book for a dollar at Borders for one of their "member sales" a little over a year ago:
Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon Pop-up (http://cgi.ebay.com/COLLECTABLE-STEPHEN-KING-FIRST-EDITION-POP-UP-BOOK_W0QQitemZ380062451490QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 380062451490&_trkparms=72%3A1163%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C 240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14)

I could be wrong (I am a newbie) but I seriously doubt the value has jumped fifteen times in the last 16 or so months...

[jhanic]

The price is just about half of the original price, so it's not too outrageous, considering.

John

[Room 217 Caretaker]

There was just a posting on the skfakes bulletin board regarding this same seller's copy of Carrie, which is also signed. This signature looks okay, but I'm just not sure. I'm also not sure if it's really a first, either.

Signed Carrie (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290260759015)

John

I think he might be a fraud, if you look at his recent feedback, he's sold a number of "signed" copies, many of the same titles he's listing now, and many with the same story.

The seller needs to get a NEW LIFE. :arg:

It's guys like this that hurt the value of your collection because people buy from him, think it's legit, try to sell down the road, only to find out what they bought from the scum bag was a fake.

The buyer won't trust anyone else.

It's a sad SAD Ebay cycle for some.



Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[Rahfa]

I don't know if this counts as BS or not, but the price seems steep, as I bought two copies of this book for a dollar at Borders for one of their "member sales" a little over a year ago:
Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon Pop-up (http://cgi.ebay.com/COLLECTABLE-STEPHEN-KING-FIRST-EDITION-POP-UP-BOOK_W0QQitemZ380062451490QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 380062451490&_trkparms=72%3A1163%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C 240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14)

I could be wrong (I am a newbie) but I seriously doubt the value has jumped fifteen times in the last 16 or so months...

The auction/asking price of an authentic item is never BS...the market proves what the market value is, and if somebody lists an item too high than it just sits there unsold forever and ever...it's the seller's listing fees after all...

I have a lettered Skelton Crew for sale for $3500...I think that price is way too high...but if somebody wants to pay that, I'm happy to cash the check. It's real, it's in the condition I describe, etc.

There's no official market value on any King item, because it has no inherent value...it's not gold. You can't take it to a bank and redeem it. And...I'm sure the buyers don't line up to offer the difference, when a seller lists an item for "below market value" by accident...haha...

[Randall Flagg]

No good deed goes unpunished. Trying to "help" a seller on E-bay usually ends up being a waste of time. :doh:

[Ves'Ka Gan]

I don't know if this counts as BS or not, but the price seems steep, as I bought two copies of this book for a dollar at Borders for one of their "member sales" a little over a year ago:
Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon Pop-up (http://cgi.ebay.com/COLLECTABLE-STEPHEN-KING-FIRST-EDITION-POP-UP-BOOK_W0QQitemZ380062451490QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 380062451490&_trkparms=72%3A1163%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C 240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14)

I could be wrong (I am a newbie) but I seriously doubt the value has jumped fifteen times in the last 16 or so months...

The auction/asking price of an authentic item is never BS...the market proves what the market value is, and if somebody lists an item too high than it just sits there unsold forever and ever...it's the seller's listing fees after all...

I have a lettered Skelton Crew for sale for $3500...I think that price is way too high...but if somebody wants to pay that, I'm happy to cash the check. It's real, it's in the condition I describe, etc.

There's no official market value on any King item, because it has no inherent value...it's not gold. You can't take it to a bank and redeem it. And...I'm sure the buyers don't line up to offer the difference, when a seller lists an item for "below market value" by accident...haha...

I suppose I would have to agree with you or be a hypocrite, since I have told my boyfriend over and over that any of the books (or other things) I collect are only worth what someone will pay for them, I actually spotted a book I just bought first edition for 8 bucks in the bargain bin on auction for about 50 bucks. I guess I'll just laugh and be happy I search for the best price on the "easy to get" stuff.

[jhanic]

I'm just not sure but I am doubtful.

Dark Tower VII (http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Michael-Whelan-The-Dark-Tower-VII-SIGNED_W0QQitemZ200255766841QQihZ010QQcategoryZ144 33QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

John

[Hutch]

It's an obvious fake. This same seller has listed a few fakes on ebay lately.


I'm just not sure but I am doubtful.

Dark Tower VII (http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Michael-Whelan-The-Dark-Tower-VII-SIGNED_W0QQitemZ200255766841QQihZ010QQcategoryZ144 33QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

John

[NeedfulKings]

Pretty bad. The sellers doesn't actually say it's signed.

Duma Key (http://cgi.ebay.com/Duma-Key-Stephen-King-A-must-read_W0QQitemZ230291415065QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 230291415065&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14)

[gsvec]

Yuk. Don't think I blame 'em . . .

[Fsmdr]

Not relating to fake signature but Ebay in general.

Not sure if anyone noticed that Ebay's listing fees was recently decreased. It now cost 5 to 35 cents to list books regardless of price. However the final value fee for books (when the item sells) has been increased to 15%!. That's before paypal fees.

Ebay is getting to be ridiculously expensive. I guess I'll be listing on Dt bay a lot more.

[lophophoras]

Any thoughts on this one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/THE-EYES-OF-THE-DRAGON-Stephen-King-1st-DJ-SIGNED_W0QQitemZ330272817218QQihZ014QQcategoryZ292 23QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[wizardsrainbow]

Any thoughts on this one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/THE-EYES-OF-THE-DRAGON-Stephen-King-1st-DJ-SIGNED_W0QQitemZ330272817218QQihZ014QQcategoryZ292 23QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

It wouldn't be one I'd be happy to buy. I'll let the sig experts weigh in, but the letters look too "big", particularly the g, but it could have been a rushed signature. I couldn't definitely say it is a fake, but it wouldn't feel right in my collection.

[jhanic]

I'd avoid it for the same reasons as Wiz. Just doesn't "feel" right, but I could be wrong. I'm definitely not an expert on the King signatures of that period. The fact that the seller only has 13 feedbacks also doesn't inspire confidence.

John

[Hutch]

In my humble opinion it's an obvious forgery


Any thoughts on this one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/THE-EYES-OF-THE-DRAGON-Stephen-King-1st-DJ-SIGNED_W0QQitemZ330272817218QQihZ014QQcategoryZ292 23QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[tippy4]

You guys beat me to this. I was just about to post this auction with the following opinion.

Could this signature be real? Maybe.

Would I buy it? Not a chance in hell.

[gsvec]

In my humble opinion it's an obvious forgery


Any thoughts on this one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/THE-EYES-OF-THE-DRAGON-Stephen-King-1st-DJ-SIGNED_W0QQitemZ330272817218QQihZ014QQcategoryZ292 23QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Humble? When did that happen? :scared:

:lol: Kidding, Hutch - and thanks for weighing in. That sig looks just too pretty to me . . .

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Could be time to crank up the BS Meter:

http://cgi.ebay.com/FROM-A-BUICK-8-Stephen-King-SIGNED-1ST-1ST_W0QQitemZ360095003087QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item3 60095003087&_trkparms=39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A10|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[The Lady of Shadows]

Could be time to crank up the BS Meter:

http://cgi.ebay.com/FROM-A-BUICK-8-Stephen-King-SIGNED-1ST-1ST_W0QQitemZ360095003087QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item3 60095003087&_trkparms=39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A10|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk95/turtlesong/smilies/coffee_spray-1.gif

even I know that's a fake. and i'm a fucking newbie!



ETA: reported

[gsvec]

That's horribly horrible! I reported it. :arg:

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Could be time to crank up the BS Meter:

http://cgi.ebay.com/FROM-A-BUICK-8-Stephen-King-SIGNED-1ST-1ST_W0QQitemZ360095003087QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item3 60095003087&_trkparms=39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A10|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

The seller only lives 2 1/2 hours from King. I wonder if his office staff would go after the seller? :orely:

Not unless they think it's REAL :P

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[tippy4]

Auction is over, and it says that The seller ended this listing early because the item is no longer available for sale.

[gsvec]

Hooray! Wonder if eBay really DID contact him and he just pulled it.

[tippy4]

I have to assume he pulled it, because if ebay did, the auction would no longer be viewable. Probably a couple of people contacted the seller to let him know that that is was a forgery, and the seller was a decent enough person to end the listing.

[tippy4]

STEPHEN KING - GERALD'S GAME - SIGNED - HB & DJ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320308174865&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123)

Another forgery.

A shame as I have seen a legitimate signature on a Bag of Bones from this seller in the past.

I have reported this one.

[Cutter]

Probably a couple of people contacted the seller to let him know that that is was a forgery, and the seller was a decent enough person to end the listing.
Sadly sometimes this happens, a bookseller sometimes doesn't know any better. I have a pretty decent used book store in town, who is also on eBay and Abebooks, and I pointed out that he had two Stephen R. Donaldson forgeries in his stock. He didn't know any better, as he just bought them when a guy brought them in. Obviously he was trying to resell them as signed copies, but he thought they were real.

[herbertwest]

Stephen King - the plant (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320310892930&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fse arch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm37.l1313%26sati tle%3D320310892930%26category0%3D%26fvi%3D1)

this isnt a forget or something, but this is illegal imo. the seller sells the PDFs of "the plant" on CD.
The thing is that basically as he keeps the PDF he continues to sell it, and i guess that it is fair to say that he will not stop as he gets free money...

What can we do about it? (it's not about the value of the book, but the principles)
I did report it (and in the past i did report the other times he did sell some..) but the thing is that the french ebay doesnt allow to type a comment when we report something (so i should report via ebay.com)
Could you please report it as well???

[The Lady of Shadows]

reported to ebay.

[jhanic]

I just clicked the link and got nothing. Maybe eBay deleted it.

John

[gsvec]

Same here, John - and I hope they DID! :D

[herbertwest]

I guess so :-)

As there was about 2 days remaining :-)
I'll check within the next few days if the seller did put others online...

[turtlex]

Any comments on this one, my friends?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160292791221&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123

http://i15.ebayimg.com/02/i/001/13/05/b1ac_1.JPG

[jhanic]

I'd say it's okay. I know that these cards were sent out to those who submitted their names, and I've seen others (I don't have one, though).

John

[carlosdetweiller]

Any comments on this one, my friends?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160292791221&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123



It's definitely real but, IMO, not worth what the seller is asking.

[turtlex]

Ah. I thought the "King" looked kind of suspect.
Thanks for the advice, folks.
What do you think a fair asking price would be?

[carlosdetweiller]

Ah. I thought the "King" looked kind of suspect.
Thanks for the advice, folks.
What do you think a fair asking price would be?

Well, just by itself, I don't think the flyer would be worth more than $50 or so. IIRC, they were sent to people on the waiting list for signatures from King's office. In order to get rid of the backlog King sent everyone on the waiting list a first edition of BLACK HOUSE. Inside each book was a letter from King explaining what he was doing and the flyer with the signature.

At least that is the way I remember it. I was not on the waiting list so I didn't get one first hand but I did buy a set (book, letter, signed flyer) on eBay.

[turtlex]

Thanks carlos ( I'm a newbie at collecting, so this is new info for me ) !

[lophophoras]

Ah. I thought the "King" looked kind of suspect.
Thanks for the advice, folks.
What do you think a fair asking price would be?

Well, just by itself, I don't think the flyer would be worth more than $50 or so. IIRC, they were sent to people on the waiting list for signatures from King's office. In order to get rid of the backlog King sent everyone on the waiting list a first edition of BLACK HOUSE. Inside each book was a letter from King explaining what he was doing and the flyer with the signature.

At least that is the way I remember it. I was not on the waiting list so I didn't get one first hand but I did buy a set (book, letter, signed flyer) on eBay.


:thumbsup:

I believe this is correct. I have all three.

[turtlex]

Wow. Very cool.

[CRinVA]

I was on the waiting list and managed to actually send in two books and get them signed by King. It was shortly after I got my two books back that I read that he was ending the list and shipping a book and the card with his sig to everyone left on the list! It was some time earlier that he actually stopped even taking names to be put on the list!

[wizardsrainbow]

I think this one takes the prize as being the WORST fake ever:

http://cgi.ebay.com/SIGNED-copy-STEPHEN-KINGs-SALEMS-LOT_W0QQitemZ190261072305QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item1 90261072305&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

[jhanic]

Agreed. It's terrible!

John

[The Lady of Shadows]

damn. and i was going to bid. ::snicker::

reported. cause i'm vindictive that way. :evil:

[turtlex]

I think this one takes the prize as being the WORST fake ever:

http://cgi.ebay.com/SIGNED-copy-STEPHEN-KINGs-SALEMS-LOT_W0QQitemZ190261072305QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item1 90261072305&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14


Hmmm. I have been waiting to look at this all day ( ebay is blocked from my work internet firewall ) ....

Just wondering, who is SLEVEN ROY ?!? :D

( oh, and I love the hugs and kisses " x x " on it )

[gsvec]

Gotta love that the guy/gal even spelled Stephen wrong in the inscription! :P

[Hutch]

this seller has been selling fakes for some time now and is the champion of recent Stephen King forgeries by volume.

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/cecman2003

I try to report all.

[The Lady of Shadows]

this seller has been selling fakes for some time now and is the champion of recent Stephen King forgeries by volume.

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/cecman2003

I try to report all.

see, this kind of shit pisses me off. i am trying to save up to afford a signed rose madder or bag of bones and this fucktard comes along and probably signes his own copy of rose madder and puts it out there. and thinks that because he puts that fucking "disclaimer" on the listing that makes it okay?

i reported every single item and had a little chat session with an ebay rep.

yeah, i'm a vindictive bitch! :shoot:

[e_taylor]

this seller has been selling fakes for some time now and is the champion of recent Stephen King forgeries by volume.

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/cecman2003

I try to report all.

see, this kind of shit pisses me off. i am trying to save up to afford a signed rose madder or bag of bones and this fucktard comes along and probably signes his own copy of rose madder and puts it out there. and thinks that because he puts that fucking "disclaimer" on the listing that makes it okay?

i reported every single item and had a little chat session with an ebay rep.

yeah, i'm a vindictive bitch! :shoot:

This current batch came from some guy's ex-wife, I remember about a month ago it was from a local book dealer. He's sold about five copies of each title, so I'm fairly confident if his collection was that large, we'd know who he is, no?

[turtlex]

yeah, i'm a vindictive bitch! :shoot:

Actually, you're doing the right thing and being a responsible collector.

I swear, I'm scared to death to buy some stuff off eBay because I'm so unsure.

[tippy4]

Ah. I thought the "King" looked kind of suspect.
Thanks for the advice, folks.
What do you think a fair asking price would be?

Well, just by itself, I don't think the flyer would be worth more than $50 or so. IIRC, they were sent to people on the waiting list for signatures from King's office. In order to get rid of the backlog King sent everyone on the waiting list a first edition of BLACK HOUSE. Inside each book was a letter from King explaining what he was doing and the flyer with the signature.

At least that is the way I remember it. I was not on the waiting list so I didn't get one first hand but I did buy a set (book, letter, signed flyer) on eBay.

Well I bit the bullet and bought this. I paid too much ($117 shipped), but I wanted it.

There are two versions of this piece.

One is "bookmark-shaped" (http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/3658/bookmarkoi4.jpg) and one is "postcard-shaped" (http://i15.ebayimg.com/02/i/001/13/05/b1ac_1.JPG)

I now have both.

You are correct Bob in that there was a copy of Black House and a letter that came with this. About a year ago, a guy on ebay had just the letter and book for sale (he did not have the signed card), and he assured me the letter had an original signature. Well, when it arrived, I could clearly see the letter did not contain an original signature, and after several emails, I was able to convice him and got my money back.

[carlosdetweiller]

There are two versions of this piece.

One is "bookmark-shaped" and one is "postcard-shaped".

I now have both.

Congratulations! I did not know about the two versions. Thanks for pointing that out.

My copy of BLACK HOUSE has the "bookmark-shaped" version. Do you know how King distributed the "postcard-shaped" version and to whom?

[tippy4]

this seller has been selling fakes for some time now and is the champion of recent Stephen King forgeries by volume.

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/cecman2003

I try to report all.

see, this kind of shit pisses me off. i am trying to save up to afford a signed rose madder or bag of bones and this fucktard comes along and probably signes his own copy of rose madder and puts it out there. and thinks that because he puts that fucking "disclaimer" on the listing that makes it okay?

i reported every single item and had a little chat session with an ebay rep.

yeah, i'm a vindictive bitch! :shoot:

Hey turtlesong, I have a signed copy of Bag of Bones for sale. Check out my signature. I would even take payments as long as you promise not to be a vindictive bitch to me! :P

[tippy4]

There are two versions of this piece.

One is "bookmark-shaped" and one is "postcard-shaped".

I now have both.

Congratulations! I did not know about the two versions. Thanks for pointing that out.

My copy of BLACK HOUSE has the "bookmark-shaped" version. Do you know how King distributed the "postcard-shaped" version and to whom?

I do not.

As far as I can tell, they are identical in wording and images. They only differ in size.

I have never seen another "postcard-shaped" version like this, so that's why I was willing to pay a little more for it. I have seen three or four of the "bookmark-shaped" versions on ebay in the last year or so.

[The Lady of Shadows]

this seller has been selling fakes for some time now and is the champion of recent Stephen King forgeries by volume.

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/cecman2003

I try to report all.

see, this kind of shit pisses me off. i am trying to save up to afford a signed rose madder or bag of bones and this fucktard comes along and probably signes his own copy of rose madder and puts it out there. and thinks that because he puts that fucking "disclaimer" on the listing that makes it okay?

i reported every single item and had a little chat session with an ebay rep.

yeah, i'm a vindictive bitch! :shoot:

Hey turtlesong, I have a signed copy of Bag of Bones for sale. Check out my signature. I would even take payments as long as you promise not to be a vindictive bitch to me! :P


I am a vindictive bitch to everyone! a vindictive turtlebear bitch to be precise! :P
payments you say? :orely: :excited: (oops, did that slip out?) let me speaketh with my better half and see what he has to say.

::wanders away eating cookies and grumbling - unless he wants to sleep on the couch he better KNOW what to say Mr."I now own three mustangs"::

[Hutch]

here's a $325 hunk of junk
http://cgi.ebay.com/CHRISTINE-Stephen-King-1ST-1-ST-Signed-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ280278932842QQcmdZViewItem?hash=i tem280278932842&_trkparms=39%3A1|66%3A4|65%3A10|240%3A1308&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

[gsvec]

Yup. Reported

[The Lady of Shadows]

somebody actually bought that p.o.s. using buy it now. :nope:

[gsvec]

That sucks.

[Calla_Wolf]

Yup, gotta agree

By the way folks, I am alive and WELL. I know some of you guys have been asking after me (and I genuinely love ya for it) but my nightmares are fiscal, not health. Fighting to repel boarders at the moment, though mortgage is taking front of stage.

And gsvec - I think your "signature" of your father is inspired and very touching.

[gsvec]

Thanks, Ceri. :D I've missed ya! :huglove:

[carlosdetweiller]

Well, MY life is complete. All that has gone before was merely a prelude to the momentous event of today. It appears I have made Tim Miller's (flatsigned.com) mailing list!

A short while ago I received, in my e-mail inbox, TIM MILLER'S FLATSIGNED HOT SHEET. The disclaimer identifies ME as a "FlatSigned Customer or Subscriber." WTF?

In the current issue, which promises "weekly updates on Closing FlatSigned Book Auctions for Avid Collectors," he offers up a later printing of Harper Lee's TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD, signed by Barack Obama. I kid you not. Here is the link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Barack-Obama-SIGNED-1st-KILL-A-MOCKINGBIRD-Harper-Lee_W0QQitemZ120322096890QQihZ002QQcategoryZ29223Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Is anyone else as confused as to Obama's connection to this book as I am?

[gsvec]

:orely: Hmm....

Too bad we can't tell who those two bidders are or we could email them and ask, cuz I don't get it either!! :lol:

Oh, and congrats on being added to the best mailing list of all times!! :P

[jhanic]

$4550 and the reserve not met is a lot of money! I can't figure out the attraction either.

John

[Randall Flagg]

Is anyone else as confused as to Obama's connection to this book as I am?
The book deals with Race issues and Obama is of African American descent.
Still, it adds no value in my eyes.

[Hannah]

Um ... that's weird. Just saying.

[gsvec]

Never guess what I found in my spam folder - Flatsigned's newsletter! Although I'm honored to be considered in a class with Bob, I could've lived without this one. :wtf: How on earth did I get on the list?

[The Lady of Shadows]

Well, MY life is complete. All that has gone before was merely a prelude to the momentous event of today. It appears I have made Tim Miller's (flatsigned.com) mailing list!

A short while ago I received, in my e-mail inbox, TIM MILLER'S FLATSIGNED HOT SHEET. The disclaimer identifies ME as a "FlatSigned Customer or Subscriber." WTF?

In the current issue, which promises "weekly updates on Closing FlatSigned Book Auctions for Avid Collectors," he offers up a later printing of Harper Lee's TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD, signed by Barack Obama. I kid you not. Here is the link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Barack-Obama-SIGNED-1st-KILL-A-MOCKINGBIRD-Harper-Lee_W0QQitemZ120322096890QQihZ002QQcategoryZ29223Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Is anyone else as confused as to Obama's connection to this book as I am?

wow. i am jealous of your obvious importance to the collecting world. YOU are a FlatSigned Customer/Subscriber! ::swoons:: will you die happy now?

:D

[namelessnpoor]

I was wondering if anyone else got that email. I too somehow managed to get on that list, though i never recall signing up for any such thing from Flatsigned !!

I too wondered about the Obama signed To Kill a Mckingbird, i knew race was a issue of the book, but still kind of a stretch !!

[carlosdetweiller]

Is anyone else as confused as to Obama's connection to this book as I am?
The book deals with Race issues and Obama is of African American descent.


Yeah, I get that. It just seems almost demeaning to have asked him to sign it. I mean, I can't see Tiger Woods, Kobe Bryant, etc. signing that book, knowing that the only reason they were asked to sign it is because they were Black. I wonder if Obama even looked at what he was being asked to sign? No way of knowing, of course, just something I am wondering about. Would Obama feel honored if I asked him to sign my copy of ROOTS? I guess I just don't like Tim Miller and like to find faults with his books.

[e_taylor]

Is anyone else as confused as to Obama's connection to this book as I am?
The book deals with Race issues and Obama is of African American descent.


Yeah, I get that. It just seems almost demeaning to have asked him to sign it. I mean, I can't see Tiger Woods, Kobe Bryant, etc. signing that book, knowing that the only reason they were asked to sign it is because they were Black. I wonder if Obama even looked at what he was being asked to sign? No way of knowing, of course, just something I am wondering about. Would Obama feel honored if I asked him to sign my copy of ROOTS? I guess I just don't like Tim Miller and like to find faults with his books.

Assuming Obama did sign it:orely:

[jhanic]

Here I was feeling left out so I checked my spam folder and there was the Flatsigned newsletter. I KNOW I've never dealt with them. I left it in the folder.

John

[Randall Flagg]

I guess I just don't like Tim Miller and like to find faults with his books.
I agree with that sentiment 100%.

[Matt]

TheDarkTower.com has not and will not ever sell private member information to anyone.

Its against our privacy (http://www.thedarktower.org/privacy) policy.

I am not sure why or how this happened but they did not get the information from here.

[jhanic]

Maybe they got it from TDT.net?

John

[carlosdetweiller]

TheDarkTower.com has not and will not ever sell private member information to anyone.

Its against our privacy (http://www.thedarktower.org/privacy) policy.

I am not sure why or how this happened but they did not get the information from here.

I was just kidding, of course, but that is nice to know. We all buy from the same dealers, subscribe to the same newsletters, frequent the same websites, etc. so it is impossible to know.

I have queried Tim on occasion through the eBay message system. It may be that he somehow saves those and builds his e-mail list that way.

[The Lady of Shadows]

:cry:

i didn't get an email

:cry:

i'm not important enough to rate

:cry:

i'm a loser

:cry:

[carlosdetweiller]

:cry:

i didn't get an email

:cry:

i'm not important enough to rate

:cry:

i'm a loser

:cry:

There, there, turtlesong. We love you over here even if that mean old Tim Miller doesn't.

PM me with your e-mail address and I'll forward the e-mail to you. Then you could even sign up to receive it for yourself if you wish.

[Randall Flagg]

TheDarkTower.com has not and will not ever sell private member information to anyone.

Its against our privacy (http://www.thedarktower.org/privacy) policy.

I am not sure why or how this happened but they did not get the information from here.

I was just kidding, of course, but that is nice to know. We all buy from the same dealers, subscribe to the same newsletters, frequent the same websites, etc. so it is impossible to know.


Bob, it's nice to see that you are comfortable enough here to kid with us.:P
I am glad Matt clarified thedarktower.org position on member information.
I think the general consensus is that Flatsigned is close to if not reprehensible.

[The Lady of Shadows]

:cry:

i didn't get an email

:cry:

i'm not important enough to rate

:cry:

i'm a loser

:cry:

There, there, turtlesong. We love you over here even if that mean old Tim Miller doesn't.

PM me with your e-mail address and I'll forward the e-mail to you. Then you could even sign up to receive it for yourself if you wish.


you'd do that? for me?

you love, you really love me!

:lol:

[turtlex]

:cry:

i didn't get an email

:cry:

i'm not important enough to rate

:cry:

i'm a loser

:cry:

Hey!
I wouldn't stand for someone else saying those things about you, so I will not stand for you staying that about yourself.

[jhanic]

I got another Flatsigned email in my spam folder this morning. I used the unsubscribe option to opt out. We'll see if it works or not.

John

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

I got another Flatsigned email in my spam folder this morning. I used the unsubscribe option to opt out. We'll see if it works or not.

John

You should NEVER use the "unsubscribe" option in a spammers email. This only confirms to them that your email address is correct.

Best way is to ignore it and your anti-spam software will keep them in your spam folder.

[jhanic]

I know. But I figured I'd try it anyway. This way, if they keep showing up, we'll KNOW that he's spamming us. (They'll end up in my spam folder anyway!)

John

[NeedfulKings]

$4550 and the reserve not met is a lot of money! I can't figure out the attraction either.

John

Last time, they had it at a $25,000 BIN, so I bet the reserve is close. I agree...it's of little value to a Mockingbird collector.

[super sam]

How about this signature, fake or real?

http://www.tradera.com/Autograf_Stephen_King-auktion-77102761

[carlosdetweiller]

How about this signature, fake or real?

http://www.tradera.com/Autograf_Stephen_King-auktion-77102761

Real. But I wonder if it has been cut from a book or if it was just signed on a slip of paper?

[Room 217 Caretaker]

How about this signature, fake or real?

http://www.tradera.com/Autograf_Stephen_King-auktion-77102761

Real. But I wonder if it has been cut from a book or if it was just signed on a slip of paper?

He would rarely turn a book to sign it. I say it's on a piece of paper or stock. It's a real sig though.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[super sam]

Thanks for the opinions.
it's a pity that my name isn´t Peter though <_<

[turtlex]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250322177552&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123

Not sure how this can be called a signed first edition, since the signature is on a piece of paper and not the book....

[e_taylor]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250322177552&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123

Not sure how this can be called a signed first edition, since the signature is on a piece of paper and not the book....

haha ask Tim Miller. :P

Also, it looks like that piece of paper is pasted in on top of the title!:orely:

[tippy4]

Stephen King's "Needful Things"” ~SIGNED 1st ED.~ (http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-Kings-Needful-Things-SIGNED-1st-ED_W0QQitemZ110310574780QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAntiqua rian_Collectible?hash=item110310574780&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318)

Looks like a trace-job to me.

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Stephen King's "Needful Things"” ~SIGNED 1st ED.~ (http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-Kings-Needful-Things-SIGNED-1st-ED_W0QQitemZ110310574780QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAntiqua rian_Collectible?hash=item110310574780&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318)

Looks like a trace-job to me.

I agree. It's a trace job. King makes the swoop in one complete motion. This one looks like it was stopped on two different locations.

"When in doubt, don't pull your money out"

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[lophophoras]

Stephen King's "Needful Things"” ~SIGNED 1st ED.~ (http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-Kings-Needful-Things-SIGNED-1st-ED_W0QQitemZ110310574780QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAntiqua rian_Collectible?hash=item110310574780&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318)

Looks like a trace-job to me.

Looks hesitant and shaky, not smooth and continuous.

[lophophoras]

Okay guys, what do you think?

I say no.

http://cgi.ebay.com/SIGNED-AUTOGRAPHED-STEPHEN-KING-JUST-AFTER-SUNSET-BOOK_W0QQitemZ330288015264QQihZ014QQcategoryZ59QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[jhanic]

I don't like it either. If the seller had mentioned that it had been signed at the one book-signing for this edition and included some of the additional stuff that was present then, I may have been more understanding, but no.

John

[carlosdetweiller]

Okay guys, what do you think?

I say no.

http://cgi.ebay.com/SIGNED-AUTOGRAPHED-STEPHEN-KING-JUST-AFTER-SUNSET-BOOK_W0QQitemZ330288015264QQihZ014QQcategoryZ59QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I agree. Absolutely NOT a legit signature.

[Ves'Ka Gan]

I'm sorry, but IMO, if I see this:

Please be CONSIDERATE when leaving feedback... I am a very reasonable person and am willing to work out any problems or issues you may have, so if you are upset about something please email me first before leaving a negative. I am sure we can work it out together. Thank you.

In big bold letters before I even get to the description I am running like my hair is on fire. That is just way too shady for me.

[Randall Flagg]

If the person is wiling to "Work things out", I think that is great. I would base my buying decision on other factors in addition to the disclaimer.

[Rahfa]

Well...remember that sellers can't leave bad feedback anymore, so thry're trying to put that out there right up front...in context, I don't think they're doing anything that sketchy...

[turtlex]

I'm sorry, but IMO, if I see this:

Please be CONSIDERATE when leaving feedback... I am a very reasonable person and am willing to work out any problems or issues you may have, so if you are upset about something please email me first before leaving a negative. I am sure we can work it out together. Thank you.

In big bold letters before I even get to the description I am running like my hair is on fire. That is just way too shady for me.


This is sorta funny. They might have well as written : "Yeah, expect problems"

[Ves'Ka Gan]

That's how I read it!

[The Lady of Shadows]

I'm sorry, but IMO, if I see this:

Please be CONSIDERATE when leaving feedback... I am a very reasonable person and am willing to work out any problems or issues you may have, so if you are upset about something please email me first before leaving a negative. I am sure we can work it out together. Thank you.

In big bold letters before I even get to the description I am running like my hair is on fire. That is just way too shady for me.


This is sorta funny. They might have well as written : "Yeah, expect problems"


see now i see, "okay. i can't fuck you over with feedback anymore so let's try to work this out when i just plain fuck you over. love, your ebay seller."

but then, i'm a natural born cynic. :: shrugs ::

[Rahfa]

Haha...I'm not sure you guys want to be buying on ebay at all, if you're going to read that much into it...

[The Lady of Shadows]

i've been buying on ebay successfully for several years. i've only ever left two neutral comments (once the item wasn't as described, once the item was as described but the seller mailed my first edition hardcover in a bubblewrap mailer >< ). given the overall situation i didn't feel either seller deserved positive feedback but they didn't deserve negative either. although that second seller was such an ass when i emailed about the mailing. . . . but that's a story for another time.

i've not gotten a negative or neutral comment as a buyer (yet). but a lot of my comments don't count because i tend to frequent the same sellers (multiple comments from the same seller don't count) and some of them have left. once a seller is no longer a registered user, their feedback doesn't count (which is unfair imo).

but, i ask ALL of my questions before i even consider bidding. and i mean all. shipping, insurance, overall cost, will they ship it my way, etc. i'm a very persnickety ebayer because i like my feedback rating and i HATE giving negative or even neutral comments.

[Sam]

As a seller, I tried once to leave NEUTRAL feedback and the damned system wouldn't let me. I did receive the item, but it was not as described. Not so bad that I didn't want the item, but bad enough I wouldn't have paid as much as I did. The seller did not respond to any of my emails, but I couldn't leave anything but positive feedback. I wrote to ebay, got no response. So I left positive feedback and wrote "Can't leave bad feedback I want to, was lied to" or something similar that fit in the area.

[The Lady of Shadows]

As a seller, I tried once to leave NEUTRAL feedback and the damned system wouldn't let me. I did receive the item, but it was not as described. Not so bad that I didn't want the item, but bad enough I wouldn't have paid as much as I did. The seller did not respond to any of my emails, but I couldn't leave anything but positive feedback. I wrote to ebay, got no response. So I left positive feedback and wrote "Can't leave bad feedback I want to, was lied to" or something similar that fit in the area.


:unsure:

you were the seller or the buyer?

[Sam]

Sorry, I was the buyer. My mistake, please forgive. Yesterday was a bad day for me.

[The Lady of Shadows]

:rose:

[Hutch]

reported all of these:

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/cecman2003

The sad part is bidders are buying them even though the seller places a disclaimer in the descriptions. Their winning bidders must really know their Stephen King signatures. :orely:

One bidder invested about $3000

They've been at it for a bit and is making pretty good $$$$ per his feedback and the end prices.

[gsvec]

I've reported this guy numerous times for fake sigs, but eBay just doesn't listen.

[Room 217 Caretaker]

I've reported this guy numerous times for fake sigs, but eBay just doesn't listen.

Same here.

His story is as fake as the signatures. :shoot:

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[e_taylor]

I've reported this guy numerous times for fake sigs, but eBay just doesn't listen.

Same here.

His story is as fake as the signatures. :shoot:

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

Agreed - if you look at his feedback you'll see that the "signed" "1st" of the shining he is selling right now is his third.

I'm sorry, but I don't think even Bob has three signed 1sts of the Shining, so this schmuck sure as hell doesn't!

[Hutch]

The following ID history explains fire-horse-books and their forgeries.
It's the big time forger from fall 2007 Renaissance Auctions


eBay Member User ID History
The box below contains the User IDs that this member has used on eBay.
User ID Effective Date End Date
fire-horse-books Jun-01-08 Present
renaissance_auctions Mar-27-07 Jun-01-08
nikawanderer1971 Feb-24-07 Mar-27-07

Updated text from www.skfakes old list :

renaissance_auctions their alias wanderingwriter1966 and new ID in 2008 fire-horse-books noticeably started selling King forgeries in Oct. 2007. ( nearly $4,000 worth of junk in the first month and still going strong ) Mostly selling forged 1st BCE . What the heck is a 1st BCE and how do you identify it as such? Of course the seller falsely claims these were actually printed the same year as the true firsts. As for BCEs, they are stateless It's not possible to distinguish between one printed five years ago and one printed fifteen years ago. We just a little comparison we presume their signed books from other authors are also forgeries.

[jhanic]

Very, very interesting, Hutch! I didn't know you could pull up the id history. I'll have to do some experimenting.

John

[pickle]

reported all of these:

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/cecman2003

The sad part is bidders are buying them even though the seller places a disclaimer in the descriptions. Their winning bidders must really know their Stephen King signatures. :orely:

One bidder invested about $3000

They've been at it for a bit and is making pretty good $$$$ per his feedback and the end prices.

That is rediculus, some people have absolutly no shame at all.

It must take a lot of Horlicks (malt drink) to get them to sleep.

What makes it even more silly is that one of his biggest buyers is a shop called "vjbooks" with alot of feedback points, makes you wonder if they know there fakes or not.

[Rahfa]

I swear I wonder how many of these deals actually get consummated...

I could see selling scam items for lowball prices...but some of these auctions end for prices well above market value...so somebody's overpaying, plus not knowing what they're buying?

VJBooks are what I'm talking about...do they generate fake sales to create enthusiasm and a reputation where none exist? It just doesn't ring true to me.

[e_taylor]

I swear I wonder how many of these deals actually get consummated...

I could see selling scam items for lowball prices...but some of these auctions end for prices well above market value...so somebody's overpaying, plus not knowing what they're buying?

VJBooks are what I'm talking about...do they generate fake sales to create enthusiasm and a reputation where none exist? It just doesn't ring true to me.

Well if they are knowledgeably selling fakes, would you be surprised if they were also involved in shill bidding?

[Rahfa]

Haha...I think shill bidding is a given...

I just wonder if they are completing sales to create this atmosphere of a good market, even though no sales are actually being completed? As in, you have three or four shills get involved with a sale (and if the same completes, great), but mostly it's to earn feedback and show sales as 'completed' so people get fooled.

But, that makes NO sense because of the money involved...so I'm probably wrong...

I dunno...just fishy all the way around...bad signatures, weird sales, off-market final prices...strange...

[gsvec]

Maybe the guy is both VJ Books AND cecman2003 - just has 2 accounts.

[Rahfa]

Maybe the guy is both VJ Books AND cecman2003 - just has 2 accounts.

Even still, if you bid and win you still got to pay final value fees, shill bidding or not...obviously ebay would notice if they kept cancelling auctions to avoid final value fees...

I guess I want to believe they aren't making the sales, but they probably are...oh well...

[tippy4]

THE GIRL WHO LOVED TOM GORDON STEPHEN KING - SIGNED FE (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270311434389)

Horrible fake.